I started using speed drop during an NRL hunter match and it was quick and accurate enough. 65 Creed Speed drop number with 140 eldm at 2742 fps 100 yard zero was 2.2. I slipped my turret on my ZCO 527 to 2.2... so now 2.2 mils was now my new 100 yard zero... and i could simply dial to the yardage. example 450 yards dial 4.5, 529 yards dial 5.3, 629 yards dial 6.3, speed drop was with in 0.1 mil from 300-850 yards with this bullet and velocity. Another way to use speed drop... leave turret on 100 yard zero...Dial range and subtract speed drop number. example 750 yard range minus 2.2. 7.5-2.2=5.3 mils NRL hunter match Day 1 I did not use speed drop an di had to look at my dope card nearly every target engagement and this took up time. Day 2 using speed drop I only had to reference a dope card outside the 300-850 yard ranges which wasn't to many times. I will agree this isnt for a PRS type match as those targets can be pretty small but for 10-12 inch and larger targets it worked well.
Nice video Ray. It builds on the concept of zeroing range where the trajectory of the projectile stays within the target zone throughout that distance and then using ballistic table information to extend that beyond the zero range.
Excellent demonstration of this. Having heard this an explained to me by x-ring, I can vouch this works (literally tried it while on the phone) . It is spot on. Another great tool to use when needed
Ray, you just blew my mind. I've watched plenty of your videos and this one made my mind go BOOM. You are right, watching Accuracy First instructional videos are awesome, but can be like sitting in a trig class in high school and your brain starts to glaze over with numbness while the plethora of information is being dropped on you. In fact, your explanation is making me want to go back and watch those videos with Todd and Colby again because the light switch was just turned on. Your video here on Speed Drop was perfect. Thank you for what you do in trying to educate the community with what you have learned over the years. We all appreciate it!
How did I not know ANY of this? Hmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting and great presentation. I could actually shoot this (my scope is MOA however). Thanks Ray for bringing us along!!
Great video, very imformative. Somehow I missed this one when you first posted it. After seeing the Scar 20 one I searched this one out and am happy I did, thanks again for doing these videos.
HOLY BUFFALO... That is mind blowing.. I have a H-591 reticle, On Monday, I will be able to try this, I will burrow a Kestrel from a buddy to get the info, and bring some tools to be able to drop my zero stop to open or back a few mils, but either way, I can't wait to experiment with this. I don't mind holding or dialing, but, this smaller bandwidth of simplicity is amazing. I really want to see what the bandwidth of the 6.5 PRC will be.. My luck, like everything else I have done that is backwards, will only be 340yds to 450yds..LOL... I want to see what, if anything at all will change, from the morning time environments, to the noon time environments if that number will change on the ( negative zero stop) from humidity, to temp, raising or lowering how far the bullet drop is. I imagine, noon time, the number will get larger, or rather, further negative on the stop. I could very well be 100% wrong on how I imagine the calculations are being computated in the Kestrel... either way.. This was cool. Thank you.
Ray, just saw this video and have been purposely avoiding those explanation videos because they sounded like the "snake oil" you were talking about. I'll definitely go back and check them out.
Brilliant from over the pond🇬🇧,you chaps are spoiled for equipment the raptor Wilcox what a game changer,we have nothing or anything that would compete with that unit👍
Wow. This blew my freaking mind. I really need to save my pennies and make the time to go take some classes with Todd Hodnett at Accuracy 1st.. Thank you so much for sharing this!
Save your pennies, just click on Ray's "X-RING" video's, and select what long range information you want, follow his tutorial and you will be slinging lead at long range with great accuracy lol. I used his information and it works, saved me money... Thanks Ray!
Thanks Ray, nice simple video. This method absolutely works. I used it Monday on my local 770 yard range. I don't have a Kestrel so I used Strelok Pro to figure my speed drop. Takes some time but it was right on. I'm shooting a 6mm arc bolt gun by DPG. Dialed 2.4 mils and made first shot hits 400-770 yards using my reticle just as demonstrated in the video. Very quick way to engage targets. I'm going to try it out to 850 yards on the next range trip.
FYI... Igor Borisov recently updated Strelok Pro with "Speed Drop Factor", its at the bottom of the "Change cartridge" page... Easy to use color format...
@6Arc904 Strelok Pro has been updated and now includes "Speed Drop", just toggle to "Change cartridge" page, scroll to the bottom of the page and you should see the words "Speed Drop Factor" just above the G1 and G7 buttons... Select the "Speed Drop Factor" button and a new page will populate, pretty nifty on iPhone or iPad
Speed drop is great that’s all I use on my 6.5 when hunting drop 1.8 mills dial yardage and shoot, shot my elk at 430m held 4.3mills in the scope and poured the lead to him one shot and done, actually held 4 and just held a touch high , I’m good out to 746 meters and will be within about .2 mills ,229 is close range then you have to hold a few inch’s high if you go below that ,I’m good to 746 +/- meters depending on the density altitude
I'm a complete Novice shooter. How Novice? As a low-level grunt, I never had a scope in Service, only irons. I have yet to take my first shot through glass. I'm accumulating awesome gear (Kestrel in the mail), but matter-of-factly resigned myself to sucking bad for a year or two. I think with this one trick you have just accelerated my marksmanship journey tremendously! I mean, why is this not talked about more often?
Congrats battleship! I think it’s is just not that publicized. It works well for its intended application. Not so much for PRS. Thanks for watching. 👍🏼
@@XRING Many thanks, Ray. I'm trying to gobble up info from you, and Frank at SH, and a select few others as I start my journey. Y'all have taught me how to spend money, that's for sure LOL! I'll have the world-class tools to excel, now it's on me to just not suck. I had wondered what the hoopla was about the T3 Reticle, and though it's too late for me, now I understand. At least I've stuck with Mil/Tree, so should still be fine. Good to see you bouncing back quickly, keep taking care of yourself man and I'll keep watching and learning.
That's amazing . For someone who's never heard of this process it's like magic . Knowledge is only powerful when its shared . Thanks for sharing ! Nice to see Matt too . Don't be such a stranger !
Again with your insight into this world it is amazing. Thanks for sharing with us Mr Ray. Does this this work for the 22lr as well ? If so what’s it’s number. Thanks again Andy.
Ray: Very well done video!... could you clarify more what you mean by setting your scope to "minus"? (you used -1.9 mils). Is that 1.9 mils disled down below your scope's specific zero setting?
Ray: How do I dial down from my zero if I have a zero stop there? ( I have a Vortex Razor like Rick). I can only dial about .5 below my zero with the Razor...because of my dang zero stop. So... what can I do?
Thanks CZ503! You will have to find a friend with a Kestrel and he can give you your speed drop number with the specific data for your rifles muzzle velocity speed and bullet. 👍🏼
Thank You Sir! I am glad to know of this speed drop option and that Kestrel has included it in the software. Do you know if the 5500 meter includes Accuracy 1st?
@@XRING yes, I now have a rangefinder, chrono (just picked up used) and the Strelok app. I tell my friends I'm running out of excuses! I'll to do some research on it.
If you would, please do a live show, explaining this speed drop method!! Appears to be very intuitive!! Are you using a 100 yrd zero to calculate your speed drop.... What does the BC do to make the math work? Did it take into consideration the BC of the round???
It would have to take in all of that I’d assume, beings when you make a gun profile in your kestrel, the bc of the bullet, bore height, twist, etc is all part of the calculation
Speed Drop calculation uses a trend line in the incremental drops of a particular trajectory profile, and limits the window to those uniform trends. If you look at your drop table, you will see consistent incremental changes between 25yd distances over a certain range, then the increments will start to increase as the projectile gets slower. The increments are smallest up-close, and largest after a certain range where they depart from the trend. The trend zone is where Speed Drop works- a window of sorts.
Very interesting. Thanks a lot for sharing this valuable information. Is there a an app or calculation tool outside, that works properly or just Kestrel? Best regards from West Germany
My pleasure Terrier. I am only aware of the kestrel app or you can actually do it on paper and figure out your speed drop number based on known hold data.
@@XRING i tried to simulate it in Strelok, because all my data are in there. It works well. For my DAR 10 DMR in 6.5 CM I figured out 1.4 Mil, maybe 1.5. Will try it tomorrow. Fantastic. Thanks again
How do you dial down if you have a zero stop? Just disengage it and go the speed drop number below? How did he do it on the Razor? This is where the subtract 2 from yardage rule comes from. 500 yards is 5-2 or 3 mils.
@@XRING Thats right. Mine is a 6.5x47 but my 6.5 creed is almost the same. Basically all the 8 mill 1000 yard cartridges. Great video - great info. TY sir.
I shot a 77gr .223 at last match that was a perfect 2.0 w/50y zero. Didn’t want to reset my zero stop so just subtracted yardage-2 which also kept me closer to center of reticle. Most calibers are going to be between 1.8-2.3. Another option is dial the tenth up or down and then subtract 2 from the yardage.
I was thinking about this, and thought that I would get my number and change my zero stop to that number, it would be easy to know that the zero on turret would be your true zero
@@Guitarjourney4life and because you you know exactly what you dialed below - wouldnt be so easy to correct. Personally I like @Mackev’s idea since all my scopes go a .5 mils below the stop. Set the decimal up and down and its easy enough to know that 500 is 3, 400 is 2 and so on.
When I went to the Accuracy first its not highlighted and wont let me "click" on it... I do have accuracy first turned on. Is there something I am missing? I just got the Kestrel but I do have my gun and bullet profile set up.
Newbee question on the Kestrel speed drop. Do the Min. and Max. Numbers ( for distance) change with temp changes on the Kestrel ? Just bought a kestrel , learning...
So what are you doing about the wind? In my area we have practically no days that are as calm as the one pictured. 10mph being a light to mild day. And 30mph not being even considered unusual. Are you jumping to an approximal rule of thumb for wind?
Great question. That’s where those wind dots com in handy. If I take a shot at 500 and hold 2 wind dots for the hit then at 700…..it’s still two Wind dots. Almost too easy.
Input all of the cartridge information on the Kestrel. Once the gun profile is in there you can just go to Accuracy First to calculate the speed drop number.
So you said you had it set to 2/10ths but could go to 1/10th, why wouldn't you set it to the lowest 10th? Would you be more accurate with the lower tenth?
Great question rezdog! The higher the resolution, the shorter your “workable” range would be. For example, the 6arc was good from 232-715 with 2/10th. 1/10th resolution would make that window smaller. Completely guessing here but it would look more like 275-630. I could run the numbers but I am not with my Kestrel to give you the exact difference.
@@rezdog187 it will work on the principle of probable error for range, hence why you need your profile set up fully. The smaller the target zone the smaller the range at which this system works. Also, the flatter shooting your cartridge, the greater the engagement zone. So, a slow projectile with a looping trajectory will only ever have a short effective zone for this method. You could go to the extreme and if you know your engagement distances select a platform that shoots really flat to that range. This method would then work very well with higher resolution numbers.
Actually no. If you built your profile correctly you would already have the speed from your barrel length already in there. This would then change your speed drop number . Make sense?
Can't wait to better understand this system. The firing solution seems so simple and accurate!!! The more I think about it, the more sense it makes sense. Fantastic video about a firing solution I've never heard of before!!
I’m considering the Kestrel Hornady to use with their phone app as well. And speed drop totally makes sense to me. I’m planning to do the A1 course this year and have been aware of his work for 15+ years. ETA: Response from Kestrel Ballistic: “Accuracy 1st is an applied ballistics only feature(5700, 5700Ruger, 5700Elite, 5700XElite). This is not applicable to the 4DoF Hornady (5700Hornady).” Glad I didn’t get the 5700 Hornady over Christmas now.
@@XRING I did not know ATACR’s could go under that much, you can set the zero clutch to almost 2 mil under? I had an atacr and never knew that. Im actually going to the range in a few hours, i got a S&B but im gonna try this method.
Took 5 years of watching and trying to shoot and this is just incredible. Just mind blown right now
I started using speed drop during an NRL hunter match and it was quick and accurate enough. 65 Creed Speed drop number with 140 eldm at 2742 fps 100 yard zero was 2.2. I slipped my turret on my ZCO 527 to 2.2... so now 2.2 mils was now my new 100 yard zero... and i could simply dial to the yardage. example 450 yards dial 4.5, 529 yards dial 5.3, 629 yards dial 6.3, speed drop was with in 0.1 mil from 300-850 yards with this bullet and velocity.
Another way to use speed drop... leave turret on 100 yard zero...Dial range and subtract speed drop number. example 750 yard range minus 2.2. 7.5-2.2=5.3 mils
NRL hunter match Day 1 I did not use speed drop an di had to look at my dope card nearly every target engagement and this took up time. Day 2 using speed drop I only had to reference a dope card outside the 300-850 yard ranges which wasn't to many times.
I will agree this isnt for a PRS type match as those targets can be pretty small but for 10-12 inch and larger targets it worked well.
I get blown away on what a Kestrel can help with. About to buy one.
I was confused for 10 minutes until you fired up scope cam and showed how to do it. Thank you i will use this for hunting for sure
This is awesome! That WNC fog is definitely hard to see through.
Nice video Ray. It builds on the concept of zeroing range where the trajectory of the projectile stays within the target zone throughout that distance and then using ballistic table information to extend that beyond the zero range.
Incredible content and information!! Please keep doing what you’re doing. I greatly appreciate your experience and explications.
I thank you sir . I did not know anything about this . And it will help me when I try out other disciplines in the shooting world
Excellent demonstration of this. Having heard this an explained to me by x-ring, I can vouch this works (literally tried it while on the phone) . It is spot on. Another great tool to use when needed
Nice demo, Ray. Great information.
Super cool information Thanks Ray!
That's something I didn't know
Only just having got a kestrel and still working on getting the best out of it
Great video as always 👍👍
Great information Ray. Good luck at the match this weekend. Thanks
Great info and presentation as well always!
Awesome! Now I just need some range time to go play. Keep up the great work!
Ray you are making your cool toys more of a need than a want. 🤣. Thanks for the information and the search terms.
Ray, you just blew my mind. I've watched plenty of your videos and this one made my mind go BOOM. You are right, watching Accuracy First instructional videos are awesome, but can be like sitting in a trig class in high school and your brain starts to glaze over with numbness while the plethora of information is being dropped on you. In fact, your explanation is making me want to go back and watch those videos with Todd and Colby again because the light switch was just turned on. Your video here on Speed Drop was perfect. Thank you for what you do in trying to educate the community with what you have learned over the years. We all appreciate it!
Another great informative video Ray!!
This is all new to me. Looks very intriguing. Can't wait to give it a try. Thanks for the video. Be Safe.
Thanks Tim and have a great weekend sir.
How did I not know ANY of this? Hmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting and great presentation. I could actually shoot this (my scope is MOA however). Thanks Ray for bringing us along!!
My pleasure! I try to share any and all information that can make shooting easier.
they are working to get it for MOA and it is not there yet.
@@XRING will be very helpful
same principle as shooting distance through a loop. good info. good video.
This is pretty cool for sure and great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Thanks Daniel! Have a great weekend.
Great video, very imformative. Somehow I missed this one when you first posted it. After seeing the Scar 20 one I searched this one out and am happy I did, thanks again for doing these videos.
My pleasure Billy ! Thanks again for watching.
This is freaking awesome. Thank you so much for sharing!
will be trying at the range,as always awesome info.
Thanks Michael. Makes it very easy.
Great explanation.
Good shooting this coming weekend.
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Thanks 538 and thanks for watching. We will see how it goes tomorrow.
Pretty cool. I never heard of that. Thanks for the info.
wow man what a great video thanks for the info, Now I have to buy a kestrel for hunting!
Wow!!! Thanks for the crash course.
HOLY BUFFALO... That is mind blowing.. I have a H-591 reticle, On Monday, I will be able to try this, I will burrow a Kestrel from a buddy to get the info, and bring some tools to be able to drop my zero stop to open or back a few mils, but either way, I can't wait to experiment with this. I don't mind holding or dialing, but, this smaller bandwidth of simplicity is amazing. I really want to see what the bandwidth of the 6.5 PRC will be.. My luck, like everything else I have done that is backwards, will only be 340yds to 450yds..LOL... I want to see what, if anything at all will change, from the morning time environments, to the noon time environments if that number will change on the ( negative zero stop) from humidity, to temp, raising or lowering how far the bullet drop is. I imagine, noon time, the number will get larger, or rather, further negative on the stop. I could very well be 100% wrong on how I imagine the calculations are being computated in the Kestrel... either way.. This was cool. Thank you.
Great video! Thanks.
Ray, just saw this video and have been purposely avoiding those explanation videos because they sounded like the "snake oil" you were talking about. I'll definitely go back and check them out.
It’s for real Jerry and definitely has an application. Thanks and have a great weekend.
Brilliant from over the pond🇬🇧,you chaps are spoiled for equipment the raptor Wilcox what a game changer,we have nothing or anything that would compete with that unit👍
Thanks for the comment Jason and thank you for watching the channel.
Great video, I learned something!
Wow. This blew my freaking mind. I really need to save my pennies and make the time to go take some classes with Todd Hodnett at Accuracy 1st..
Thank you so much for sharing this!
Save your pennies, just click on Ray's "X-RING" video's, and select what long range information you want, follow his tutorial and you will be slinging lead at long range with great accuracy lol. I used his information and it works, saved me money... Thanks Ray!
I really appreciate that “missed shot”. Thank you for watching the channel. 👍🏼
Extremely useful information
Thanks Tim.
Thanks Ray, nice simple video. This method absolutely works. I used it Monday on my local 770 yard range. I don't have a Kestrel so I used Strelok Pro to figure my speed drop. Takes some time but it was right on. I'm shooting a 6mm arc bolt gun by DPG. Dialed 2.4 mils and made first shot hits 400-770 yards using my reticle just as demonstrated in the video. Very quick way to engage targets. I'm going to try it out to 850 yards on the next range trip.
FYI... Igor Borisov recently updated Strelok Pro with "Speed Drop Factor", its at the bottom of the "Change cartridge" page... Easy to use color format...
@@missedshot9235 Appreciate it!!
@6Arc904 Strelok Pro has been updated and now includes "Speed Drop", just toggle to "Change cartridge" page, scroll to the bottom of the page and you should see the words "Speed Drop Factor" just above the G1 and G7 buttons... Select the "Speed Drop Factor" button and a new page will populate, pretty nifty on iPhone or iPad
That’s great news. Thanks for the update !
@@missedshot9235 Strelok Pro speed drop has 2.4 mils for my rifle just as I had figured many months ago
Thanks again for letting us know!!
Very useful for a Hunting situation!
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Thanks Lake View and thanks for watching.
Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure San Miguel. I hope you have been well.
Great information!
Great video
Speed drop is great that’s all I use on my 6.5 when hunting drop 1.8 mills dial yardage and shoot, shot my elk at 430m held 4.3mills in the scope and poured the lead to him one shot and done, actually held 4 and just held a touch high , I’m good out to 746 meters and will be within about .2 mills ,229 is close range then you have to hold a few inch’s high if you go below that ,I’m good to 746 +/- meters depending on the density altitude
Pretty cool I like it. Sounds easy to use.
You explain well.
I'm a complete Novice shooter. How Novice? As a low-level grunt, I never had a scope in Service, only irons. I have yet to take my first shot through glass. I'm accumulating awesome gear (Kestrel in the mail), but matter-of-factly resigned myself to sucking bad for a year or two.
I think with this one trick you have just accelerated my marksmanship journey tremendously! I mean, why is this not talked about more often?
Congrats battleship! I think it’s is just not that publicized. It works well for its intended application. Not so much for PRS. Thanks for watching. 👍🏼
@@XRING Many thanks, Ray. I'm trying to gobble up info from you, and Frank at SH, and a select few others as I start my journey. Y'all have taught me how to spend money, that's for sure LOL! I'll have the world-class tools to excel, now it's on me to just not suck. I had wondered what the hoopla was about the T3 Reticle, and though it's too late for me, now I understand. At least I've stuck with Mil/Tree, so should still be fine.
Good to see you bouncing back quickly, keep taking care of yourself man and I'll keep watching and learning.
awesome. great information.
Thanks Cameron.
Great information.
FANTASTIC!
That's amazing . For someone who's never heard of this process it's like magic . Knowledge is only powerful when its shared . Thanks for sharing ! Nice to see Matt too . Don't be such a stranger !
Great info.
Thanks
My pleasure.
Great info - thx for sharing :)
This is such valuable information. Very good video. Did you use a new camera for this video ? Quality seemed sharper than usual.
Again with your insight into this world it is amazing. Thanks for sharing with us Mr Ray. Does this this work for the 22lr as well ? If so what’s it’s number. Thanks again Andy.
Excellent information ! 👍
Thanks Jerry and thanks for watching the video. Have a great weekend.
Never heard of this system, but makes sense because gravity it the only constant when it comes to shooting and almost anything else!!
Ray: Very well done video!... could you clarify more what you mean by setting your scope to "minus"? (you used -1.9 mils). Is that 1.9 mils disled down below your scope's specific zero setting?
Ray: How do I dial down from my zero if I have a zero stop there? ( I have a Vortex Razor like Rick). I can only dial about .5 below my zero with the Razor...because of my dang zero stop. So... what can I do?
a wealth of information here 👍👍👍👍
Glad you appreciated it bysm50. Good to have in the tool belt.
I love this hack, getting myself a kestrel
This is mind blowing. You have talent to explain complicated things with simple words. Can I find my speed drop without Kestrel ?
Thanks CZ503! You will have to find a friend with a Kestrel and he can give you your speed drop number with the specific data for your rifles muzzle velocity speed and bullet. 👍🏼
Thanks for this. My kestrel, however, does not allow me to enter into Accuracy 1st, even though it's enabled....But awesome video and concept.
Thank You Sir! I am glad to know of this speed drop option and that Kestrel has included it in the software. Do you know if the 5500 meter includes Accuracy 1st?
Thank you kindly for sharing and explaining the accuracy 1st, absolutely blown away.. thanks 🙏
My pleasure and thanks for watching.
That very useful for long range shooting.
Please advise me.
How to calculate speed drop if we don't have Kestrel?
Awesome
Damn, now I want a Kestral! (and a spotting scope with a reticle).
You can figure out your speed drop number without a kestrel. You would have to have known data drop points to do this on paper.
@@XRING yes, I now have a rangefinder, chrono (just picked up used) and the Strelok app. I tell my friends I'm running out of excuses! I'll to do some research on it.
@@petercampbell3828 Awesome! I’ll do a tutorial one day soon. In the meantime. There are some good videos from accuracy 1st on how to do it.
@@XRING I'll look them up, thanks.
@@petercampbell3828 Ray has cool toys. Watching can be hazardous to your budget.🤣
Just fucking magic. Going to get this set up across all of my mil rifles
Great information X-Ring , thanks for sharing it with us all 🙏👍. Best of luck this weekend.
Great video. What was the shooting mat that Matt used? Thanks
If you would, please do a live show, explaining this speed drop method!! Appears to be very intuitive!! Are you using a 100 yrd zero to calculate your speed drop....
What does the BC do to make the math work? Did it take into consideration the BC of the round???
Great idea Bryan. However, I am not really doing many live videos any longer.
It would have to take in all of that I’d assume, beings when you make a gun profile in your kestrel, the bc of the bullet, bore height, twist, etc is all part of the calculation
Speed Drop calculation uses a trend line in the incremental drops of a particular trajectory profile, and limits the window to those uniform trends.
If you look at your drop table, you will see consistent incremental changes between 25yd distances over a certain range, then the increments will start to increase as the projectile gets slower.
The increments are smallest up-close, and largest after a certain range where they depart from the trend.
The trend zone is where Speed Drop works- a window of sorts.
Now you got me curious about the "12 inch drill".
Very interesting. Thanks a lot for sharing this valuable information. Is there a an app or calculation tool outside, that works properly or just Kestrel?
Best regards from West Germany
I was wondering this same thing.
My pleasure Terrier. I am only aware of the kestrel app or you can actually do it on paper and figure out your speed drop number based on known hold data.
@@XRING i tried to simulate it in Strelok, because all my data are in there. It works well. For my DAR 10 DMR in 6.5 CM I figured out 1.4 Mil, maybe 1.5.
Will try it tomorrow. Fantastic. Thanks again
Were u get that surefire scope cover. Love your videos brother🇺🇸
Thanks Glock34! The cover is a drink coozie😂. It’s what guys do that need a rudimentary but awesome sunshade for the scope. 👍🏼
@@XRING awesome
Thanks, I'm encouraged.223 at 600. Miracles happening. Have fun y'all
.223 to 600yds is child's play with 77gr and better. 69gr TMK, 70gr Berger, 73gr ELD-M, 73gr Berger, 77gr TMK, 77gr RDF all work well in light winds.
Figured it out😄
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I believe that some long distance shooters don't need all of the fancy gear to make accurate shots.
Interesting video. Thanks
How do you dial down if you have a zero stop? Just disengage it and go the speed drop number below? How did he do it on the Razor? This is where the subtract 2 from yardage rule comes from. 500 yards is 5-2 or 3 mils.
Almost. Not all rifles will have the same speed drop number. I think 2 works well for 6.5 Creedmoor
@@XRING Thats right. Mine is a 6.5x47 but my 6.5 creed is almost the same. Basically all the 8 mill 1000 yard cartridges. Great video - great info. TY sir.
I shot a 77gr .223 at last match that was a perfect 2.0 w/50y zero. Didn’t want to reset my zero stop so just subtracted yardage-2 which also kept me closer to center of reticle. Most calibers are going to be between 1.8-2.3. Another option is dial the tenth up or down and then subtract 2 from the yardage.
I was thinking about this, and thought that I would get my number and change my zero stop to that number, it would be easy to know that the zero on turret would be your true zero
@@Guitarjourney4life and because you you know exactly what you dialed below - wouldnt be so easy to correct. Personally I like @Mackev’s idea since all my scopes go a .5 mils below the stop. Set the decimal up and down and its easy enough to know that 500 is 3, 400 is 2 and so on.
Seen Todd and Colby vids on this but they are brief
So in theory this will work in pretty much any rifle shooting to certain distance ?
How have the BADMF sales been?? Saw you were still using it in the video!!!
They have been solid. I will be using them for a while. Solid platforms!!
Hi there ! What I have to do if I’ve got leupold , impact 29 moa reticle. Second focal plane 🤷♂️ if you can help with this
When I went to the Accuracy first its not highlighted and wont let me "click" on it... I do have accuracy first turned on. Is there something I am missing? I just got the Kestrel but I do have my gun and bullet profile set up.
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Speed drop does not show amount on kestrel. How do I get it?
Newbee question on the Kestrel speed drop. Do the Min. and Max. Numbers ( for distance) change with temp changes on the Kestrel ? Just bought a kestrel , learning...
Cobalt Kenitics has hit out out of the park!!
How do you dial negative past the Zero-Stop? Do you need to remove Zero-Stop?
Is there an ideal direction for a 1000 yard range? North, south etc. Considering Sun ☀ direction
Anyone know if this will work with a vortex razor gen 3? The new zeroing system may cause an issue with it.
When you “dial 1.6 negative” are you adjusting your scope 1.6 mil down?
Yes. Below your 100 yard zero.
@@XRING Thank you.
Can this be done with a phone App instead of Kestrel 5700?
So what are you doing about the wind? In my area we have practically no days that are as calm as the one pictured. 10mph being a light to mild day. And 30mph not being even considered unusual.
Are you jumping to an approximal rule of thumb for wind?
Great question. That’s where those wind dots com in handy. If I take a shot at 500 and hold 2 wind dots for the hit then at 700…..it’s still two Wind dots. Almost too easy.
@@XRING I see. You were running the Horus with wind dots. I completely forgot about that. I should have caught that. Thanks for your time.
So for your gun how did you calculate the speed drop number?
Input all of the cartridge information on the Kestrel. Once the gun profile is in there you can just go to Accuracy First to calculate the speed drop number.
So you said you had it set to 2/10ths but could go to 1/10th, why wouldn't you set it to the lowest 10th? Would you be more accurate with the lower tenth?
I was curious of this as well
Great question rezdog! The higher the resolution, the shorter your “workable” range would be. For example, the 6arc was good from 232-715 with 2/10th. 1/10th resolution would make that window smaller. Completely guessing here but it would look more like 275-630. I could run the numbers but I am not with my Kestrel to give you the exact difference.
@@XRING so is it 2/10ths times the yardage ie at 600yards is your error 2/10ths x 6 = possible error?
@@rezdog187 it will work on the principle of probable error for range, hence why you need your profile set up fully.
The smaller the target zone the smaller the range at which this system works. Also, the flatter shooting your cartridge, the greater the engagement zone.
So, a slow projectile with a looping trajectory will only ever have a short effective zone for this method. You could go to the extreme and if you know your engagement distances select a platform that shoots really flat to that range. This method would then work very well with higher resolution numbers.
Question. Is this applicable to FFP scopes only?
It would be applicable to SFP scopes I imagine if you were at the manufacture spec zoom where the ranging portion of the reticle is accurate
Is this, let say, life hack :) applicable to other calibers, in instance to 22 LR?
No! Doesn't work for 22 WMR using 30gr BT's either...
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Length of barrel make a difference??
Absolutely
Actually no. If you built your profile correctly you would already have the speed from your barrel length already in there. This would then change your speed drop number . Make sense?
Can't wait to better understand this system. The firing solution seems so simple and accurate!!!
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes sense.
Fantastic video about a firing solution I've never heard of before!!
Is this in any of the kestrels?
All of the 5700 elites and maybe a few others with have Accuracy First in them.
I’m considering the Kestrel Hornady to use with their phone app as well. And speed drop totally makes sense to me.
I’m planning to do the A1 course this year and have been aware of his work for 15+ years.
ETA:
Response from Kestrel Ballistic:
“Accuracy 1st is an applied ballistics only feature(5700, 5700Ruger, 5700Elite, 5700XElite).
This is not applicable to the 4DoF Hornady (5700Hornady).”
Glad I didn’t get the 5700 Hornady over Christmas now.
You went negative 1.9 below zero?
That is correct. Minus 1.9mils from my 100 yard zero! Not all scopes can do that.
@@XRING I did not know ATACR’s could go under that much, you can set the zero clutch to almost 2 mil under? I had an atacr and never knew that. Im actually going to the range in a few hours, i got a S&B but im gonna try this method.
They can go way under depending on where you set the clutch. Let me know how it goes at the range today. 👍🏼
Correct
Hot fat does it work out too?
Depends on the ballistics of the cartridge out of your platform.