I bought the Shapeoko Pro XXL a couple of months ago. I had it together in 4 hours. I have been absolutely amazed by it. I have had no problems that weren't caused by myself, since I am a new CNC user. No complaints yet. I'm having fun and I'm happy as hell!
Even if you fuck it up, if you break something that’s Carbide3D branded within 30 days of purchase they cover it. Mind blown. That’s how you run a good company with a long term strategy.
Thanks for your video and your feelings on these machines. I looked at them and decided on the Shapeoko Pro XXL. I had a couple of problems with it as I assembled it but they were mostly my fat fingers vs the tiny screws in the x, y, and z limit switches. I did have a devil of a time in getting the power plug to go into the circuit board and the very small solder joints came loose. I guess you could say that this was my fault, but good on their guarantee, they replaced the board with overnight shipping and I was up and going. I am 74 years old and have been in woodworking as my hobby for over 50 years. This was a birthday present for myself and I am loving it. I also love the fact that Carbide 3D has a lot of good help online and on call. I have used it all and it is superb, especially for an old guy. I have watched many, if not all, of your UA-cam videos and have learned a lot from watching your work. Thanks so much.
Coming from a 3018 Sainsmart...then a millright Carve king....and now a X50 Journeyman from 1F, I can attest to the rigidity and accuracy of this machine. Yes, i waited 3 months for delivery, but it was worth it. To answer your question as to what happens when you slam your x/y rails into the ends at full speed.....absolutely nothing happens. The steppers stall out, but no damage is done to the machine whatsoever. There are several youtube videos showing this. The main selling point for me was the ball screws (more precision, less backlash) and the ease of putting this machine together. Its 30 minutes....tops...and not a million screws like the others. Thats worths its weight in gold.
An apples-to-apples comparison for a hobby-class machine is appropriate only for the X-Carve and Shapeoko. Onefinity machines are what I'd call "prosumer" to low-volume production offerings. For this reason (and many others), I'd confine this type of analysis to the X-Carve and Shapeoko. Of these, the Shapeoko is a much better machine than the X-Carve...for essentially the same price. With all that said, if you're committed to CNC, but aren't ready to step up to an industrial-grade machine, such as an Avid, Laguna, Phantom, ShopSabre, or other 4'x8' or larger machine, save yourself time, money and frustration, and go with the Onefinity Journeyman X-50 (48"x32"). You'll be able to cut 2D, 2.5D and 3D shapes on standard full 4' wide stock; doing what's known as "tiling" for jobs exceeding the 32" Y-axis of the Journeyman. Additionally, due to the use of ballscrews on all axes, coupled with optional larger stepper motors, the feed rates of the Onefinity rival that of machines costing three to ten times as much. The increased rigidity of the machine also makes cutting non-ferrous metal much more of a reality vs. machines targeted to the hobbyist community. With access to a ShopSabre Pro408 (4'x8'), I just like having a smaller machine that's capable of handling a majority of the work I do. No high power requirements. No lengthy start-up cycle. Just turn it on, home it and get to cutting. All with similar precision to much larger and far more expensive machines. Ballscrews, not belts or leadscrews. Fast, smooth, accurate motion that's simply amazing...and well worth the nominal premium over X-Carves and Shapeokos. As for software, both Easel and Carbide Create can be used with Onefinity CNC's, though the serious hobbyist or entrepreneur will want to quickly graduate to Vectric's VCarve Pro software. A bit pricey, but definitely worth it. Alternatives include OnShape, which has a free hobbyist license, and Fusion 360, which includes both CAD and CAM in the same package. One thing this video didn't address is flexibility. Coming from machines with vacuum holddown, that's a must for me, and that's a breeze to accomplish for the Onefinity. A drop table for on-edge work, such as mortises, tenons, dovetail drawer boxes, pockets for cutting board handles or hidden hinges, etc., is also easily accomplished with the Onefinity. All this in addition to wired and wireless controller accessories, touchscreen capability, WiFi, remote monitoring/control and, of course, the ability to create simple jobs and run the machine without a computer. The Onefinity community is also extremely active and helpful, and a robust assortment of accessories are available from community members. Lastly, Onefinity CNC machines are also capable of functioning as plotters, cutting vinyl, leather and cardboard using a drag knife, even laser engraving with either 7W or 14W diode laser offerings. So, after you've cut a project's shapes, you can label parts, make a custom box, even burn a logo or design (or simply cut thin stock) into the product. You're also able to diversify by laser cutting wood and engraving either metal or wood. All with a single, very capable machine. Be prepared to spend upwards of $6,000 for a full set-up, though. On the plus side, this can all be done incrementally, over time, without losing anything. In that regard, the Onefinity is a platform that can be expanded as either your hobby interests increase, or your business expands.
I've got the OneFinity with the X-50 rail (only the X rail is 50, others are 35). It does indeed mount to the table with 16 screws. Mines into plywood with a MDF spoilboard mounted between the Y axis. It is definitely very rigid, have had no problems with it moving on the table or anything like that. The one thing I really didn't like was the mount for the monitor. It's a swivel mount with magnets, so the monitor itself is just attached by magnets. I knocked it off less than two months after getting my machine, and of course the screen broke (it's a touch screen to boot). I upgraded to a larger touch screen that is mounted to a swing arm on a separate table from the CNC, and my controller is on that same table. Its notable that the probe for the OneFinity is an XYZ probe, not just Z like the X Carve. You can move the axis with the controller/touchscreen, as well as with the wireless controller that's available. Controller offers four different speeds. I broke a 1/8th bit the other day not paying attention. OOPS! It sucked waiting 5 months for it, and I actually bought a Genmitsu Prover 4030 in the interim to start learning, upgraded that to a 6060 (learned a lot about CNCs doing that), so when the 1F came in, I was ready to carve.
I have to agree with you on the monitor mount, I have knocked mine off several times and damaged it to the point where the touchscreen no longer works, however, a wireless USB mouse has taken its place as plug and play in the one of the four USB slots. Other than that, I am very happy with the 1F. Hopefully a bitsetter is in the future.
Ok here is my two cents worth. I am a cnc machinist / programmer for a living. So rigidity is everything. I recently ordered the Journeyman X50. It has a 48x32 cutting area. There are videos with people standing on the X rail. I have always had a problem with the water cooled spindles being so heavy the gantry actually flexes. I am told by support that at the worst point of flex, you will only get .ooo6 flex. Now that is about a half of a thousands of an inch. The thickness of a sheet of paper is only about .0035. So I am sold on this machine. No rollers to worry about wearing down and no debris for them to skid across and no belts to always have to restretch. You are going to pay more money granted but this is as close to a industrial machine in a desktop you can get. Expect to pay over $3500 possibly more with dust collection and your spindle. I was quoted just over $3300 which includes about $190 shipping to Colorado.
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thank you very much for taking the time to review the 3 machines. I don't like the lead time with 1F but I know the wait will be worth it especially when you figure in I have to order a spindle, dust collection and the time making a table. The time frame should work out just about right. Great videos you did. I was impressed how you used excel to break down the pros and cons. We need more guys like you out there.
As a owner of a Onefinity woodworker. You don't want a onefinity CNC. They have issues with getting replacement parts. My screen died and i had to go to amazon and replace the part myself while Onefinity support could not stop playing with themselves and order me a new screen. My screen was out of stock on amazon i had to wait almost 2 months to get screen replaced. Onefinity has also blown out power switches on the controller a few times as well. it became a annoyance (had to buy power switches in a 5 pack) but it has been over a year or 2 sense it has done it last. and because of my Onefinity not being to run for 2 months I got way behind and i was saving up for the Masso upgrade anyway so im buying a shapeoko to replace my Onefinity.
I had a Shapeoko XXL3 and sold it for the 1F Woodworker. Pros for the move.. no belts, no v-wheels, FASTER! and more ridged. Cons.. Firmware needs some serious additions. Such as adding a bitsetter option for doing bit changes in one G-Code. Right now I run different G-Codes for each tool needed. Having the option to preset an X and Y zero for those of us that use stops or dogs for locating our work piece. The mount for the screen is a terrible design, I bought a swing arm mount for mine that works great! I was running the XXL3 at 80 IPM, the 1F is set at 150 IPM and can do more. I keep hoping the folks at 1F will come out with an optional controller that has those features for multiple bit tool paths and a designated X and Y zero, but nothing yet. Great video! I enjoy watching your stuff, no nonsense straight forward!
I’m right behind you (learned on a Shapeoko 3 XXL), but haven’t bought an X-50 yet because the Buildbotics controller doesn’t allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly. Have you done anything about that?
@@b-radg916 I ordered the new Elite Onefinity which uses the Masso controller. They're going to come out with an upgrade package later this year for the older versions but I went ahead and ordered the 48x48.
@@BasilMeadows: Enjoy! Because of the 18-20 week lead time for the Elite, I’m leaning toward getting a 48” X-50 (1-2 week lead time) and if I really find it necessary, changing the controller. Glad to hear they’re going to offer an upgrade … their site says that will be this quarter 👍🏽👍🏽
I owned a shaleoko 3 and sold it for the onefinity. Onefinity feels like a race car compared to shapeoko 3. However im still waiting for a qcw frame for onefinity i ordered forever ago and they are not updating their website. Also i will say carbide3d has probably the best customer service i have ever experienced, truely top notch. So if support is something thats important then shapeoko for sure from my experience.
whats the working IPM on the onefinity? Ive always been curious about that because a lot of people say its faster but these little trim routers they use arent going to handle much past the 300 ipm i get from the shapeoko. can you upgrade to a more beefy spinfle?
@@Wavecruzer79 Flattening slabs, cutting out sink holes in small sized countertops for bathrooms, about a 50 more cuts in a small items i've made in jobs, fitting plywood in sideways without having to trim it for, I mean its endless man. Its 16 inches more to use than the woodworker. Be creative with the extra space. You can achieve a lot with tiling to so not knocking the woodworker either.
X-Carve realistically is a 40 hour assembly. I have one, took about 40 hours. A lot of people who put one together for the first time have also reported 40 or so hours to assemble.
Just ordered a shapeoko pro XXL after going around and around looking as t these 3 machines. Carbide 3d gave me the best feeling from a customer support standpoint and it's a really capable cnc. Now I'm awaiting delivery
Perhaps because I'm a mechanical engineer I went for the precision and stiffness of the 1F. I realize that you don't need the same level of precision when working with wood but I guess that's just an occupational hazard. I also like that the 1F is easily upgradable to a true spindle. For about $250 I got a 2.2kW (3 Hp) spindle and VFD instead of the Makita router. The spindle is significantly quieter than the router and the extra Hp lets me up the cutting speed. If you don't opt for the 1F controller you can easily connect the BuildBotics controller (1F controller is based on the Buildbotics unit). The Buildbotics unit has a few more signals out that will allow you to connect and run closed-loop steppers. That would be about a $500 upgrade for 4 motors with encoders, their drivers and power supplies. I'll probably go that way because running open-loop generally makes me uneasy. Probably just another occupational hazard. In general I find the 1F to be a great machine. It's well built, accurate, requires little maintenance and can be easily upgraded.
The main reason I haven’t pulled the trigger on the X-50 is that it doesn’t allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly. Did you switch out your controller? Does it allow on the fly adjustment?
I think the best part that separates all of them is the 30 day you break it we will fix it free on us by Shapeoko. Me being who I am I’ll not find a way to break things but I can imagine I’ll break something within the first 30 days as I’m as green in this field as a freshly cut tree. I’m kind of hard on tools because I will put them to their fullest potential if not beyond if I can find a way. Being the tinkerer that I am having such a fun tool as this I could easily burn this out for the time I can spend on it np. I hope to have my shop built next year so I can pull the trigger on one of these fine machines because, well, it’s a super cool toy and I love big boy toys especially for wood working.
I am a tech teacher who uses techno small router with my students. Use solidworks and featurecam for design and tool paths. Looking for a router for when I retire. This was a great video. Has me seriously considering Onefinity.
I agree with most of your analysis. With the exception of your final spreadsheet breakdown. To make things equal, you added the cost of the Makita Router to the overall cost of the OneFinity, but then you made note of the negativity of not coming with a router. If it is a negative, you should not have added the price to the overall cost, but if you are insistent on adding the cost, you can’t make it a negative. As a OneFinity owner, I have found the support second to none when it came to issues. OneFinity’s rapid response to queries and problems is exceptional and very rapid… even on weekends and after hours.
Andy, I know this video is a year old. I see in the side bar that you have a newer video about the Shapeoko 5 Pro which is newer and they ditched the belts and now it had ball screws. As a beginner machine, I think that's for me. Thank you for taking the extra time in creating this video. You've already been a great help to me and I haven't even started yet. I do have some wood working machines and I got myself an old Bridgeport milling machine in fair condition that I used to use in the machine shop which is a big plus for me as a retired machinist. I can't wait to buy my 1st CNC Router and get started.
Andy, it has been 2 years since you made this video. I have been thinking about getting into cnc, reading all I can, and am getting UA-cam video overload. This is a great comparison and to see the comments made since you did it. I am close to ordering my machine. I think I am going with the Shapeoko 4XL. They have the 5 out now too but the 4 should do all I need along with all of the accessories. I considered the Infinity, Shark, and Longmill. The support, experiences, and history of Shapeoko keeps coming out on top of my comparisons. The ONLY decision yet to make is will it be the XL or the XXL. I THINK the XL will be the one I go with. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS COMPARISON!!!
Two years later I am still looking at the Shapeoko and the Onefinity along with the Stepcraft M series. I was ready to pull the trigger and I found the Origin which although not technically not a CNC, it is a CNC controled router that would do most of my woodworking needs. LIfe is just to short for the amount of hobbies I have.
I’ve got the onefinity journeyman with QCW and a 2.2kw spindle with cable drag chains and pwncnc v7 for the 4” dust hose. I surface my mdf wasteboard at 400ipm with a 2” surfacing flywheel cutter. Cuts hardwoods like butter. It’s an absolute beast. I’ve had 3D printers with belts, wheels and linear rails. Rails and ball screws leave all the other methods buried in sweet sweet perfect wood chips. I honestly use a 120v 1” diameter bit all day making signs and it eats through third sheets of Baltic birch ply like crazy. I’m sure shapeoko has a great product but I’ve crashed all my rails on the 1f in the past, and not gone out of alignment, destroyed any aluminum or burned up any motors. Vacuum table is next(building in coming weeks). I love this machine. It just goes. Oh, and tramming? If needed, Is easy peasey. Their support, though in Canada, gets great reviews from me. I can’t wait to see what they come out with next. Now to save up for the shop bot pro or IS. The onefinity will buy that for me.
Hi J, I am curios about how your Vacuum table turned out. I am also wondering where you got your 2.2 kw spindle with cable drag chains from. Thank you.
@@berndjahn6980 The Vacuum table works really well. I LOVE it for cutting out 1/3 sheets of ply, and found that I have very little waste. I used MDF as the plenum, but I'll be replacing that with Melamine that I edge band to seal up the sides to get better suction. That way the bottom, sides, and top(minus the plenum area) will be sealed with melamine, and sealing the carved out plenum area with flex seal or something like that so that way it's completely airtight. I'll attach LDF to the top with bolts via threaded inserts in the melamine. I didn't have a chance to put the original video online. I'll do a livestream when I do it, and post it to the Onefinity Facebook page, and forum. As an additional side note, I'll also put grooves on the bottom of the plenum board to accept the QCW t-track, and mount it directly to the QCW board. I'll flex seal those grooves as well to maintain vacuum. I got my 2.2 kw spindle from Amazon. It's the Huanyang 220V 2.2 air cooled. I've also got a mophorn 2.2 water and HY 2.2 water cooled, but am having cooling system issues, so I've got the air one in currently. if you don't NEED water cooled, air is far easier to put in, and one less system to maintain. I'll put keywords in the video when it comes out to be QCW, Onefinity, Black Box Storm, Vacuum Table to make it searchable. I think the melamine will be rigid enough to not have to deal with any flex. I'm looking to use 3/4 melamine, and 3/4 ldf for simplicity. Oh, and as a side note, I'll also be building a top attachable 'table' for alternative clamping scenario's where vacuum won't work. I hope to build it, and post, in the next couple weeks.
I am waiting for my Shapeoko 5 to come in now and am ready to get started on it. You mentioned that you could not find some of the information on the website. When you purchase the machine, they inundate your email in a good way with the information that you need. That being said, you able to do a lot of preperation for what you need to know even before it arrives. I did like your video and appreciate the work you put into it. I am a new sub and looking forward to seeing more content.
Hello, I am in the market for my first CNC machine. This video was very helpful but I am wondering if any of your review has changed in the last couple of years? Is there another to look at? Still feel Shapeoko and Onefinity are the best out there? I actually created my own spreadsheet and reviewed several others but came down to the three you reviewed. Threw out Inventables for a lot of the reason you listed (but did download their software to start designing). If you have any updates I would love to hear them! Thanks!
Before you gave us your opinion I had already picket the One infinity. I believe that it is held down by screws and you have to screw the unit down by screwing down the screws on the inside first I think the outside screw holes at the feet on the outside are at an angle that would cause the leg to push or pull the unit "OUT OF SQUARE" . I wished you had included the Longmill in this comparison. I purchased a CNC from Vevor which was a disaster. No support, no operation manual. So I'm stuck with something I know nothing about, now it cost me $895 plus shipping and they reimbursed me a small amount and I keep the cnc which is will be for sale pre-assembled.
Im using the Onefinity Machinist (all the space i had). Its been amazing and ive had zero issues with it, the maintenance of the machine is super minimal, the touch screen is easy to use, I can use Either Easel or Carbide create with it so there is choice of software... Ive already made enough on it that ive paid the machine off and more. Wish I had space for a woodworker or the Journeyman... whenever i do get a larger space I have no doubts ill go back to Onefinity - 100% worth the wait time.
Got my Shapeoko XXL about 1 1/2 years ago. The machine has done everything I have needed. Their support is outstanding even after a 1 1/2 I had an issue with my bit sitter and they called me today to help me get it fixed! The only issue I have had that I can't get fixed is the cutter loses connection when I run my dust collector. We have tried everything but still can't get it fixed.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I've heard more than once that Carbide 3D's support is second to none. One the dust collector issue, must be static electricity?
Static is often the primary reason for disconnects, but I recently saw something that said that GRBL-based machines are more susceptible. I don’t know where I saw that, but I’m wondering if there’s anything to it?
Great comparison. I’ve never tried the Shapeko but have the others and the onefinity makes the X-carve look like a little baby. I sold my X-carve after a week of having the onefinity.
I purchased an x-carve and yes it took all of the 16 hours to build. That said I got it for about 2000$ fully loaded. Don't know if it will perform yet still building out the CNC table and shop space.
I have a Longmill and love it! I looked into all these for a long time. At the end of the day the xcarve and shapoko were too light duty and small for the price. The onefinity almost won me over but the super long shipping wait was its downfall. So I went with the longmill and received within 3 weeks and have had it for a little over a month and love it.
My only complaints of the longmill is it has to be tethered to a PC, the limit sensors are sold separately (not that expensive, should be standard) and some of the parts are 3D printed and can me difficult to install some hardware.
The Longmill MK2 and Onefinity Journeyman X-50 are on my short list. Does the Longmill allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly? The X-50 doesn’t, although the new Elite Journeyman does (but has a 16-18 week lead time 😩). You can put a third party controller on the X-50 to do it, but I’m not all that interested in taking apart a brand new machine to make it work how I think it should. Thanks!
I'd love to see an update comparing the SO5 Pro to the OneFinity Pro and or Elite. That's what I'm trying to decide now. I'm still finding the SO5 cheaper and includes a lot more, but that OneFinity is also a nice machine. Btw, I sold my SO3 XXL after about 10 years and never had an issue with it. The Makita lasted that long and is still running, just needs tape to keep the speed stable. :-)
The 1F can also upgrade to the Journeyman right out of the gate or down the road to bump up to a 4’ width that can tile full sheets. That’s a massive advantage over the others.
I was a shapeoko fan as it was my first machine but I wanted more accuracy with ball and screw. Got the onefinity woodworker as my second machine and it is a beast. I absolutely love it. Yea the shapeoko can go together in a few hours but you will spend several more tinkering with it if you want truly accurate cuts. With the onefinity I barely had to square it or tinker with it. I also move often so the ability to break down the onefinity in a matter of maybe 30 minutes and put it back in its original boxes is absolutely one it’s best qualities. As for if it slams into a stop it doesn’t hurt the machine. If the stepper motors end up exerting more than a certain voltage (as in the case of trying to slam into a stop) they stutter and keep the machine from hurting itself. It doesn’t sound good when it happens but it’s just the motor protecting itself and it’s really not hurting anything at all. The ONLY downside to onefinity is it’s still new so there are still lots of new things coming out for it and there are things being upgraded. The community is also still small compared to xcarve and shapeoko so you have to learn on your own with a few things rather than having a community to reach out too.
I’m right behind you. I learned on a Shapeoko 3 XXL and loved it, but want something more rigid for my own machine. I’m hesitating because the X-50 doesn’t allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly 😕 The Elite Journeyman does (but has a 16-18 week lead time 😩 and costs more). You can put a third party controller on the X-50 to do it, but I’m not all that interested in taking apart a brand new machine to make it work how I think it should. If you went from a Shapeoko I’m thinking you were used to being able to adjust. Is it OK without?
Very good comparative analysis. Before I bought my Shark, I was getting confused with all the machines that were available. It was so difficult to actually tell what you were getting. I didn't want a hobby machine and I wasn't going to get an industrial grade model. I eventually narrowed my choices down to three. I got the Shark over the other two for various reasons, price being one, work envelope, availability, pretty much knowing what I was getting, including software, and it was sold in many woodworking retailers throughout the United States. I would have liked to see it assembled and running, but not having one of those retailers where it is sold nearby, I bought it sight unseen. It's pretty good. I think I made the right choice. Now I'm considering getting another machine to put in another location, have it as a show piece and dedicate it to a specific product line.. I could just get another Shark I guess, but I am enjoying looking at learning about other machines. Maybe I could get something just a suitable for less. It's actually quite helpful and informative to learn from those like you who have started this ahead of me.
@@AndyBirdBuilds So far I'm pretty satisfied. I'm able to cut all around 24 x 48 material. It's not enormous, but it's a decent size work envelope. It's also nice for nesting pieces and doing multiple pieces in one set up. I haven't pushed it real hard yet, but it seemed to handle cuts pretty well when I increased feed rates or took deeper cuts. When I get more into 3d cutting, higher feed rates and larger tools and greater material removal, I'm sure I'll see where it's limits are. For now I'm getting used to it and being conservative..
Just a note: There are many different NEMA 23 motor torque ratings. Saying that all three have the exact same stepper motors may not be accurate. They have the same form factor.
Hi! Rob, the Shapeoko user here. I did my part and watched this video for the full 31 minutes and then some, rewinding and reviewing to understand each point fully. As a subscriber, I expect a more confident answer than "either - or" or "lean towards". C'mon Andy... Commit and say it with your chest pal. That's a whole lotta video to watch to not be presented with the answer to the question posed in the title. Not an intentional Karen but accountability is really important. Life if far too short to mince words. Other than that, thank you for all the tips you delivered to me over time. Love the channel.
Thank you for watching and your perspective. I don't believe it's a black and white answer otherwise I would have given one. I clearly pointed out which machine is stronger where. But it would be naive of me to state that one machine is clearing the best in EVERY category when it's not.
Hi Andy, Thank you so much for your videos. My husband and I have a really successful Etsy shop and have recently begun the process of researching, etc., CNCs to ramp production. We typically use a scroll or jig to cut our items. The machine would save us an inordinate amount of time, thus increasing profits! That being said, I came upon your channel during the research. The first one was “should I buy a CNC?” Every piece of advice is spot on….it is the perfect advice. And thank you, thank you, thank you for this. This information has saved us a lot of time. You did the legwork for us! I plan on watching all of your videos! You are an amazing presenter. I’m a fan for sure! Ps…started watching your “why isn’t my stuff selling on Etsy” video. Jeez, you nailed it. It’s the advice I give to everyone. People sell things that are completely saturated on Etsy. Gotta come up with novel ideas!
Hello! I was going through old comments and I'm not sure how I missed this one! Thank you so much for the kind words! Did you make the jump into CNC yet?
@@AndyBirdBuilds You're so funny! :) So nice to get back to me. We went with the Shapeoko 4XXL last March. That being said, I really wish I did the Onefiniti that you suggested. Price was a concern, so I thought the Shapeoko would be the better choice. I paid via Paypal deferred interest for 6 months. It was paid off in 2 months!!!! We totally ramped up production. Products are more precise, so less work with finishing. Totally could have swung the Onefiniti. But this does a great job and maybe I'll upgrade in the future! Again - LOVE your content!
Set up time means extremely very little to me, considering the life of the experience. I’d rather spend 3 days building something if it’s cheaper, better,bigger, has software etc etc. or honestly even one of those things. That’s me though. Fantastic video. Well spoken. Thank you.
The ball screw drives on the One are nice, but i would think they would need to be kept very clean or they will wear fast. All things compared, that would make me personally think that the Shapeoko Pro XXL would be the better machine. The 15mm belt has some give, and will ive faster than wear like the ball screws. Just my 2 cents. Great video.
Someone has probably asked this question. but im getting ready to pull the trigger on the pro xl. is it better to have the bit setter?? or do I really need it at this time?? Thank you in advance Andy
Brilliant CNC video Andy bro.. I live in IRELAND and CNC's are not a major thing here atm as far as I know. I mentioned building my own to people I work with and my job designs and builds routers and the boards. I'm new to all this stuff but I have been buying the component parts to build my own. My failings will show up once I begin getting into the software to run this bad boy I want to build. I bought Longrunner Nema 17 stepper motors and I will buy the 1200mm lead screws for the Axis on all fronts. Atm they're very expensive but I will put the lead screws on both sides and I will buy the shorter length screws for the Axis thaT HOLDS THE SPINDLE, ETC. Like I already said this is all new to me but I know I can build the CNC eventually. I want to learn about how to set up the Steppers. I looked at a Shapoko? for about 800 Euros which was a desktop but it was about 400mm x 400mm cutting size or so. I get u lose some of the board cutting size due to parts on the rails. I have a fair bit to learn over the next 12 months pal but I'm all in now. It's going to take me a little time to get to where I wanna go but eventually I want to build my own small business that please God takes off and allows me to give back to my community in terms of education for youths coming through. Most young folks today have a great grounding in computers and all it entails which I never got in school but after school is where a lot of them get caught up in some BS.. I wanna change that eventually. I will take a few years but I intend on changing a whole lot of things around my hometown. Apologies for rabbiting on so much bro. Love ur playlist on here too. So much brilliant information on the videos and I will be picking ur brain one day soon about other things in this line. Thanks for the information Andy mate and keep up the great work.
India enjoy your videos and all the information you offer to everybody out there in the CNC world. By myself m a x-carve owner the one thing I didn't notice that you had said in your video of the three comparisons the height is only two and a half inches not four and a half
X-carb does offer a upgrade to their x-car table at rigidity to the rails goes to a 16mm belt with new Step Motors and offers in you Z height router assembly and it does come now with a DeWalt 611 router.
Based on experience with my first purchase of a cheap little CNC in order to test whether I wanted to get into CNC, I would recommed not even cosidering a machine without limit switches. You will be installing them when your software goes flaky and jams into the end rail if it doesn't break something or burn out a stepper motor!
Well thanks a lot, I was going to pull the trigger on the x-carve, I have now took that one off the list now I’m down to the other two and don’t know which one, now more research
This video may be too old to get a reply to my comment but here goes. Any particular reason you did not consider Next Wave’s smaller machines? Those you reviewed are certainly capable machines and their bed sizes are sort of an envy of mine. I have a Next Wave Piranha XL. It has been a stellar performer and it also does not need a computer to run. It came with VCarve and I upgraded to VCarve Pro. My bed size is limited to 12” x 24”, but has served me well for the projects and products I’ve made. VCarve supports tiling and I’ve used it very successfully to make items larger than the machine’s capacity. It does not use belts and support is really good. Certainly worth considering. There has been a name change for the model I have, but appears to be the same.
Looking into cnc for the first time in detail And for what I can see most of these machines are built with very cheap components these are glorified 3D printer frames. What I’m looking for it quality linear rails & ball and screw at least geared nema27 . I’m sure we can make better. A open source project is most likely my next move at these prices could get some good parts is my thinking. Thanks for the upload.
The ONEFINITY also didn't include the actual router. Great review of apples-to-apples comparison, I specifically really appreciate the insight on assembly times!!! Limiting my ability to do things wrong and break things!
I really want the Onefinity, but it doesn't seem complete enough for me. I run CNC machines as a day job and want to go into business for myself so I can hold up the middle finger to my overlords. The Shapeoko seems the most complete to me with the best interface and support. I don't care to tinker and fight with machines, I want to run them. The Shapeoko seems to fit that bill. X carve just looks to be an inferior version. I just wish the Shapeoko had a 48 inch version.
I liked your video and seemed to be a little more detailed than the ones I saw before I pulled the trigger, but... Your review of the Onefinity was a little unfair. The X50 is their Pro version which would compare to the Shapeoko Pro and the prices reflects that. With everything being the same, the X35 with the Stiffy and no display is $2044 + $90 spindle + $99 shipping which puts it on par with the others. This machine can be stood on with no ill effect. It is screwed to the mdf or table top which means that it won't walk around on you, like the others if you don't screw them down.. Crashing the machine has no ill effect since it used open/closed circuit stops versus mechanical switches. No belts to retention and v-wheels/pulleys that get fowled by debris. It is GRBL based so tons of free software to create the G-code(Carbide Create, Fusion 360, etc.), and the files can be transferred via thumb drive, network, or wifi from even your phone via its built in web server. It can use most touch screens, even your iPad and your phone as well to control it. Can add a camera. I could go on and on.......
Glad you liked it and it was helpful. As I said in the video my approach was as if someone was going to each website for the first time and baseing my review on that information. The part that your missing is it doesn't matter how rigid a machine is when thats not the weakest link. The palm router as a spindle is. So in my view the Onefinity is over built for the spindle they offer.
I'd like to see a wall mounted comparison test of the same 3 machines...but over time. I wonder what would happen to the belts versus screw in terms of maintenance.
As a guy with industrial maintenance experience, I’ll say that I’d rather deal with belts than ball screws, especially from a “average user” standpoint. Ball screws ARE more rigid and CAN be more accurate but they will require more attention. In a factory I worked in, our panel drilling machine used compressed air nozzles to keep wood dust off the ball screws; this isn’t a good idea for a small shop owner who would be relegated to manually brushing the screws from time to time. A dry silicone based lubricant is also a good idea for them so you’ll add some extra supplies. As for belts. I’ve witnessed belt-driven machines tear apart their own steel and aluminum structures and smash through safety fences. The Shapeoko 15mm wide belt is an impressive upgrade as far as strength and rigidity goes. You’ll handily snap a bit before damaging the belts and get great resolution in your cuts with them. I’m a breath away from diving into a CNC table and I think the Shapeoko is becoming a clear front-runner in my opinion. Thanks for making this video, it really puts the important info together as it needs to be shown.
I have ran all three machines and I own a X-Carve and Onefinity. The 1F is the closest in speed and repeatability to any of the larger 5x10 CNC machines I run at work. The only downfall to the 1F in my opinion is the wait time from ordering your machine to getting it delivered.
With just a makita router my speed and feed rates are not much faster than my x-carve. I have pushed it on a few test jobs and was impressed with the cuts. Now I do plan on getting a real spindle for it and I expect to get pretty close to the feed rate I get in the shop.
Looking at the Onefinity, timecode 24:39, I'm only seeing a single Y-axis stepper (on the right side). Shouldn't we be concerned about possible racking on the left side, especially if we're cutting aluminum?
One thing I noted about the Xcarve assembly time - their website said 16hrs for assembly AND training. I wonder how much of that 16hrs they are attributing to training on how to use it?
That's a possibility. Personally, I wouldn't think it would take 16 hours to assemble. But I'm not sure what "training" would be provided in combination with assembly.
Just ran across your video. Have you thought about doing another update comparison? I looked up the Onefinity and it appears they have made leaps and bounds since your video. Curious what your thoughts are. As I have never had or used one, but am interested. Thinking first project would be new kitchen cabinets after learning how to use it. Thanks in advance.
05:30 NEMA 23 is just the motor frame size isn't it? That is not the only measure of a NEMA motor. In the NEMA 23 frame size you can find motors with from 0.6 to 3.0 Nm of force, big difference. I think you should look into how much force (Nm or oz./in.) each motor generates to get a better comparison. The Onefinity can be monitored AND controlled from any PC (or even your phone or tablet) on your network, so a local display is not essential, but it is desirable. Can the others do that I don't know. From your review it looks like only the Onefinity offers the joystick. Looking on their website I found out it is available as a wired or wireless model. Maybe not essential but seems like it would be handy. Is this even an option on the other two machines? One other feature that does not fit into the 5 areas you evaluated is the ability to expand/upgrade your machine. Not sure about the other two but the Onefinity Woodworker or Machinist models can be upgraded to by swapping out the X axis rail as part of the 'Infinite Possibilities Program' they have currently running. Their site says: "We will refurbish the old X- Rails and build an inventory of refurbished CNCs to get to Schools, Makerspaces and Veterans." So that gives you a way to get into a larger machine in the future if you outgrow the one you start out with. It has no bearing on the quality of features of the Onefinity machine you start out with, so not a consideration that fits into your evaluation.
Great thoughts. Like I said in the video this is was a comparison based off the information provided from each manufacturers website and taking that information as a whole into consideration.
Another brand to include in your comparison would be the Longmill from Sienci labs. I have been comparing them all and have decided myself that it would be the best deal for me. It is also made in Canada, only about a 2 hour drive from where I live and from all the online reviews and forums I've seen they have excellent customer service and are quick to respond to questions. I will be buying in the next month, just getting shop organized so I have room.
The Sienci Labs Longmill is another excellent choice in desktop CNC machines. It's much more analogous to Onefinity's machines at a slightly lower price corresponding with slightly lower functionality.
Did you get it? The Longmill MK2 and Onefinity Journeyman X-50 are on my short list. Does the Longmill allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly? The X-50 doesn’t, although the new Elite Journeyman does (but has a 16-18 week lead time 😩). You can put a third party controller on the X-50 to do it, but I’m not all that interested in taking apart a brand new machine to make it work how I think it should. Thanks!
Fantastic job on this! I’m a shapoko pro owner and I must say one thing that’s intriguing with the new guy is I can literally put it on a 4x8 sheet or a table top and crave on it where I have to cut things down to fit on my hybrid table on my shapoko.
For the first website, you didn't fill in your address. That's why it's free perhaps. It tends to update once you put in your address. Also, it said 16 hours for assembly AND training (whatever that means).
I started researching about six months ago and joined both onefinity and shapeoko forums, They both seem equally capable in my mind and from what I have seen. I still am choosing to go for the shapeoko xxl pro though, the z axis isn't as good, which won't matter too much to me, it has more history and thus more unofficial potential support, the 30 screw up warranty is fantastic and the bed size is larger which for me is a big deal. (btw the lead times on onefinity at the moment seem to be more like 4-5 weeks and not 3 months anymore...) If the onefinity came out with a larger bed, hybrid table and first month warranty though, that would probably sway me towards them. Elsewise, my next one is likely an avid 48x48
They can cut aluminum and copper. How well they are at is a different story. If I was going to be cutting these metals all the time I'd look else where
I bought the SO Pro while also thinking hard about the Onefinity. The Onefinity looks like a beast but in the end, I couldn't pass on the SO Pro's table. The X-Axis extrusion/rails are also very rigid and greatly improved over the other Shapeoko models. The community and Carbide's support are 2nd to none in my opinion. The wasteboard+T-slot hybrid table lets you easily tackle any work-holding strategies you're used to. The So Pro also comes with the Bitsetter which speeds up tool swaps. Love the SO Pro! Thanks for the vid.
I learned on a Shapeoko 3 XXL and the BitSetter IS really useful, but I am leaning toward a Onefinity because of its apparent rigidity, and ball screw drives.
Have you seen the MYSWEETY 4030 machine and if so what do you think. I can't find anything about it online. It looks like it's an Amazon product. I'm also looking at a Fox Alien. what do you think.
First let me say think you very much for this video.. very well done and I was just about ready to purchase my CNC.. when another friends presented one more company to look into.. I've done some research into the CNC but wanted to see what your thoughts are on the LongMill 30x30... my main use for this Machine is to help in the production of my Custom Guitars. do you have any thoughts on this company and the Long mill 30 x 30
Glad I could help. I don't have any experience with the Longmill, I think its worth a consideration. Just make sure you know what your buying and look at what the kit comes with. Just because the price is cheaper, doesn't mean it comes with everything you'll need.
Hi... do you offer any Online Class for any newbie who want to use CNC? I want one so bad... but I can't find any lesson online.... and don't know where to start or how to operate one.
This is something I've been considering doing! Thanks for letting me know you're interested. In the meantime, I do have an exclusive CNC group you might be interested in. Check it out at www.patreon.com/Andybirdbuilds
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thank you. I'll keep an eye out for the group. But that's not my focus right now. I sincerely don't want to take in too many information since I don't have any knowledge and quite frankly, it's frustration having to take all these info and have no way to back trace them all. It's very overwhelming for me. Currently, I am interested in a Desktop CNC, called QueenAnt Pro 1515 by Yuyong Brand. And they have option to use OFFLINE or Black Box. So I would let like to just focus on this first. Get things running & working before I venture any further. Yuyong itself made it's obviously clear that they don't want to deal with Newbies. So they advice me to do my own research before buying their products.
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it and I have a request if you can do it? Would you mind doing comparisons between the Onefinity, the Longmill MK2 and the Millright Mega V. You did such a good job on this one you should do another comparison. It would be interesting to watch.
IMO, if I were in the market for an entry level desktop CNC, I would be hard pressed to choose any of these over the Longmill which is less than 1/2 the price of any of the machines you covered.
I've got one. It chews up v-wheels and one motor pulls a little harder than the other one. I can't go in fast gear. Its only normal or slow for me. Now I can't get a repeatable y0,x0 even though I use a block. I wish I wouldn't have gotten one. It's too much maintenance for me. I'm fixing to have to tear everything down and find out what's wrong as if putting it together wasn't long enough. The laser- thats another story. Gsender........They don't seem to get the fact that users like to know when things are done downloading and they don't need two buttons (or 3) for testing the laser. One for on, One for off and one for testing. They only need one button to fire the laser and to turn off the laser. I find that I have to keep looking back at the computer screen just to turn it off and that is annoying. The only thing I like is the price of their bits on their website. Oh yeah, They speak of a glitch on their pdf instructions but when it happens they will not warranty it. Its their fault not ours! So, now I have a broken bolt in my gantry that I can't get out because they put it together at the factory. The glitch runs the bit into the aluminum block during xYZ and breaks the bit (or bolt in the gantry). I'm really thinking of selling and buying the Shapeoko Pro 5 or the oNefinity. And I really don't like all my lead screws looking crooked. Oh yeah, your entire z-gantry is being held on by ONE small piece of plastic that turns a belt with 2 teeny tiny screws. If they strip (which they will) or fail, your z drive and router will fall onto your project. If your not watching it will burn a hole in your wood and start a small fire.
Hi, wanted to ask about another cnc called workbee and what is the deiffernece between 1. ooznest 2. openbuilds and 3. bulkman since they all display the workbee ?
Hi Andy. I have the Shapeoko Pro. So far so good. I bought late last year and it was so it didn’t come w assembly instructions! I have a 15 minute UA-cam video to watch. I’ve upgraded to to include the bit setter, and the xyz setter thing. I use the carbide create pro since it’s soooo much cheaper than vcarve. The support from is them is amazing as I’ve emailed called and face timed yes FaceTime! In the beginning I’ve had issues with the controller and the power button which they overnighted to me free. I do love the look of the one finitey though. I’m selling coasters like crazy!
I think yes, the OneFinity is more expensive, but it provides the next step up from belt driven. I am seeing 3 levels, Belt Driven, Ball screw on all three axis, then a Spindle Drive one (AvidCNS, $5,00+). With the OneFinity you have no belts, I believe you are spending more for that next step to no belts.
I did months of comparisons looking at x-Carve, Shapeoko, LongMill and 1F. Between those it would be the 1F hands down. But I ordered a CNC4Newbie. Please do a video on them, great machine and I am not affiliated with them.
This is the first I've heard of the CNC4Newbie. This looks like a scaled down version of the Avid. Very conventional looking. Looks like it's all off the shelf parts with the exception of the the milled aluminum parts, for the gantry sides and the ends of the Y's and the Z. Also the controller looks like their design. This NEW-Carve looks so much like the machine I was going to build myself with the exception that instead of the milled aluminum I was going to use laminated beech. I was going to make the parts 1" thick, 4 1/4" thick ply's. This arrangement would be strong enough to mill aluminum when I was ready for that. I was looking at the Buildbotics controller. But now I don't know. I was looking at more money for the same thing. I still think I'd spend the $100 more for the Buildbotics because it handles the VFD for a spindle and it handles a fourth axis plus it's set up for a webcam. Does the Demon controller do those things?
I saw a short video of one of those CNC4Newbie's the other day. It was moving just shy of 3000 inches per minute (Not mm either). Not a typo. Yes I said 3000 inches per minute. I've never seen anything go that fast and it was solid as a rock. How has it been? Does your z axis skew? How much did you pay and what about customer support? And, what is the ordering process? Do you get the entire machine form them in a kit. Saw their website and wasn't clear on that.
I bought the Shapeoko Pro XXL a couple of months ago. I had it together in 4 hours. I have been absolutely amazed by it. I have had no problems that weren't caused by myself, since I am a new CNC user. No complaints yet. I'm having fun and I'm happy as hell!
Thank you for sharing your experiences!
Hey I’m looking into a Shapeoko, how’s it working for ya now, being several months in?
Even if you fuck it up, if you break something that’s Carbide3D branded within 30 days of purchase they cover it. Mind blown. That’s how you run a good company with a long term strategy.
Thanks for your video and your feelings on these machines. I looked at them and decided on the Shapeoko Pro XXL. I had a couple of problems with it as I assembled it but they were mostly my fat fingers vs the tiny screws in the x, y, and z limit switches. I did have a devil of a time in getting the power plug to go into the circuit board and the very small solder joints came loose. I guess you could say that this was my fault, but good on their guarantee, they replaced the board with overnight shipping and I was up and going. I am 74 years old and have been in woodworking as my hobby for over 50 years. This was a birthday present for myself and I am loving it. I also love the fact that Carbide 3D has a lot of good help online and on call. I have used it all and it is superb, especially for an old guy. I have watched many, if not all, of your UA-cam videos and have learned a lot from watching your work. Thanks so much.
Coming from a 3018 Sainsmart...then a millright Carve king....and now a X50 Journeyman from 1F, I can attest to the rigidity and accuracy of this machine. Yes, i waited 3 months for delivery, but it was worth it. To answer your question as to what happens when you slam your x/y rails into the ends at full speed.....absolutely nothing happens. The steppers stall out, but no damage is done to the machine whatsoever. There are several youtube videos showing this. The main selling point for me was the ball screws (more precision, less backlash) and the ease of putting this machine together. Its 30 minutes....tops...and not a million screws like the others. Thats worths its weight in gold.
Hey thanks for sharing this! Hopefully other read this and gain insight 👍
Which machine are you talking about
@@dustblowingman He's talking about the Onefinity journeymen X-50.
An apples-to-apples comparison for a hobby-class machine is appropriate only for the X-Carve and Shapeoko. Onefinity machines are what I'd call "prosumer" to low-volume production offerings. For this reason (and many others), I'd confine this type of analysis to the X-Carve and Shapeoko.
Of these, the Shapeoko is a much better machine than the X-Carve...for essentially the same price.
With all that said, if you're committed to CNC, but aren't ready to step up to an industrial-grade machine, such as an Avid, Laguna, Phantom, ShopSabre, or other 4'x8' or larger machine, save yourself time, money and frustration, and go with the Onefinity Journeyman X-50 (48"x32"). You'll be able to cut 2D, 2.5D and 3D shapes on standard full 4' wide stock; doing what's known as "tiling" for jobs exceeding the 32" Y-axis of the Journeyman. Additionally, due to the use of ballscrews on all axes, coupled with optional larger stepper motors, the feed rates of the Onefinity rival that of machines costing three to ten times as much. The increased rigidity of the machine also makes cutting non-ferrous metal much more of a reality vs. machines targeted to the hobbyist community.
With access to a ShopSabre Pro408 (4'x8'), I just like having a smaller machine that's capable of handling a majority of the work I do. No high power requirements. No lengthy start-up cycle. Just turn it on, home it and get to cutting. All with similar precision to much larger and far more expensive machines. Ballscrews, not belts or leadscrews. Fast, smooth, accurate motion that's simply amazing...and well worth the nominal premium over X-Carves and Shapeokos.
As for software, both Easel and Carbide Create can be used with Onefinity CNC's, though the serious hobbyist or entrepreneur will want to quickly graduate to Vectric's VCarve Pro software. A bit pricey, but definitely worth it. Alternatives include OnShape, which has a free hobbyist license, and Fusion 360, which includes both CAD and CAM in the same package.
One thing this video didn't address is flexibility. Coming from machines with vacuum holddown, that's a must for me, and that's a breeze to accomplish for the Onefinity. A drop table for on-edge work, such as mortises, tenons, dovetail drawer boxes, pockets for cutting board handles or hidden hinges, etc., is also easily accomplished with the Onefinity.
All this in addition to wired and wireless controller accessories, touchscreen capability, WiFi, remote monitoring/control and, of course, the ability to create simple jobs and run the machine without a computer.
The Onefinity community is also extremely active and helpful, and a robust assortment of accessories are available from community members.
Lastly, Onefinity CNC machines are also capable of functioning as plotters, cutting vinyl, leather and cardboard using a drag knife, even laser engraving with either 7W or 14W diode laser offerings. So, after you've cut a project's shapes, you can label parts, make a custom box, even burn a logo or design (or simply cut thin stock) into the product. You're also able to diversify by laser cutting wood and engraving either metal or wood. All with a single, very capable machine. Be prepared to spend upwards of $6,000 for a full set-up, though. On the plus side, this can all be done incrementally, over time, without losing anything. In that regard, the Onefinity is a platform that can be expanded as either your hobby interests increase, or your business expands.
I've got the OneFinity with the X-50 rail (only the X rail is 50, others are 35). It does indeed mount to the table with 16 screws. Mines into plywood with a MDF spoilboard mounted between the Y axis. It is definitely very rigid, have had no problems with it moving on the table or anything like that.
The one thing I really didn't like was the mount for the monitor. It's a swivel mount with magnets, so the monitor itself is just attached by magnets. I knocked it off less than two months after getting my machine, and of course the screen broke (it's a touch screen to boot). I upgraded to a larger touch screen that is mounted to a swing arm on a separate table from the CNC, and my controller is on that same table.
Its notable that the probe for the OneFinity is an XYZ probe, not just Z like the X Carve. You can move the axis with the controller/touchscreen, as well as with the wireless controller that's available. Controller offers four different speeds. I broke a 1/8th bit the other day not paying attention. OOPS!
It sucked waiting 5 months for it, and I actually bought a Genmitsu Prover 4030 in the interim to start learning, upgraded that to a 6060 (learned a lot about CNCs doing that), so when the 1F came in, I was ready to carve.
This is some great insight, Jeffrey! Thanks for sharing. I know others will learn from your comment.
I have to agree with you on the monitor mount, I have knocked mine off several times and damaged it to the point where the touchscreen no longer works, however, a wireless USB mouse has taken its place as plug and play in the one of the four USB slots. Other than that, I am very happy with the 1F. Hopefully a bitsetter is in the future.
@@jaycaviness1216 Does Onefinity make a BitSetter, or is the Carbide 3D BitSetter compatible? It was VERY useful on the Shapeoko 3 XXL.
@@b-radg916 The newest edition of the Onefinity includes a bitsetter. It is certainly an option I would like to have on my original model.
@@jaycaviness1216: I don’t see it on their Accessories page … hopefully it will be there soon!
Ok here is my two cents worth. I am a cnc machinist / programmer for a living. So rigidity is everything. I recently ordered the Journeyman X50. It has a 48x32 cutting area. There are videos with people standing on the X rail. I have always had a problem with the water cooled spindles being so heavy the gantry actually flexes. I am told by support that at the worst point of flex, you will only get .ooo6 flex. Now that is about a half of a thousands of an inch. The thickness of a sheet of paper is only about .0035. So I am sold on this machine. No rollers to worry about wearing down and no debris for them to skid across and no belts to always have to restretch. You are going to pay more money granted but this is as close to a industrial machine in a desktop you can get. Expect to pay over $3500 possibly more with dust collection and your spindle. I was quoted just over $3300 which includes about $190 shipping to Colorado.
Thanks for sharing. It is a great machine from what I've seen as well. With this rigidity the trim router as a spindle becomes the weakest link.
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thank you very much for taking the time to review the 3 machines. I don't like the lead time with 1F but I know the wait will be worth it especially when you figure in I have to order a spindle, dust collection and the time making a table. The time frame should work out just about right. Great videos you did. I was impressed how you used excel to break down the pros and cons. We need more guys like you out there.
Wait...$4k for the X-50...have you been running it? I'm looking and you kinda sold me...just looking for the downside.
As a owner of a Onefinity woodworker. You don't want a onefinity CNC. They have issues with getting replacement parts. My screen died and i had to go to amazon and replace the part myself while Onefinity support could not stop playing with themselves and order me a new screen. My screen was out of stock on amazon i had to wait almost 2 months to get screen replaced. Onefinity has also blown out power switches on the controller a few times as well. it became a annoyance (had to buy power switches in a 5 pack) but it has been over a year or 2 sense it has done it last. and because of my Onefinity not being to run for 2 months I got way behind and i was saving up for the Masso upgrade anyway so im buying a shapeoko to replace my Onefinity.
Someone needs to start looking at the Sienci Longmill!
Have you made a video? Will check it out
I had a Shapeoko XXL3 and sold it for the 1F Woodworker. Pros for the move.. no belts, no v-wheels, FASTER! and more ridged. Cons.. Firmware needs some serious additions. Such as adding a bitsetter option for doing bit changes in one G-Code. Right now I run different G-Codes for each tool needed. Having the option to preset an X and Y zero for those of us that use stops or dogs for locating our work piece. The mount for the screen is a terrible design, I bought a swing arm mount for mine that works great!
I was running the XXL3 at 80 IPM, the 1F is set at 150 IPM and can do more. I keep hoping the folks at 1F will come out with an optional controller that has those features for multiple bit tool paths and a designated X and Y zero, but nothing yet.
Great video! I enjoy watching your stuff, no nonsense straight forward!
I’m right behind you (learned on a Shapeoko 3 XXL), but haven’t bought an X-50 yet because the Buildbotics controller doesn’t allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly. Have you done anything about that?
@@b-radg916 I ordered the new Elite Onefinity which uses the Masso controller. They're going to come out with an upgrade package later this year for the older versions but I went ahead and ordered the 48x48.
@@BasilMeadows: Enjoy! Because of the 18-20 week lead time for the Elite, I’m leaning toward getting a 48” X-50 (1-2 week lead time) and if I really find it necessary, changing the controller. Glad to hear they’re going to offer an upgrade … their site says that will be this quarter 👍🏽👍🏽
I owned a shaleoko 3 and sold it for the onefinity. Onefinity feels like a race car compared to shapeoko 3. However im still waiting for a qcw frame for onefinity i ordered forever ago and they are not updating their website. Also i will say carbide3d has probably the best customer service i have ever experienced, truely top notch. So if support is something thats important then shapeoko for sure from my experience.
Great insight Steven, thank you for sharing
whats the working IPM on the onefinity? Ive always been curious about that because a lot of people say its faster but these little trim routers they use arent going to handle much past the 300 ipm i get from the shapeoko. can you upgrade to a more beefy spinfle?
I own the Onefinity Journeyman. First CNC I've owned but it's already paid for itself in 3 months. Great machine.
Right on
Cool. What have you been making with it and what software so you use?
What do you use that for over the woodworker version? Hard to see the difference in the two
@@Wavecruzer79 Flattening slabs, cutting out sink holes in small sized countertops for bathrooms, about a 50 more cuts in a small items i've made in jobs, fitting plywood in sideways without having to trim it for, I mean its endless man. Its 16 inches more to use than the woodworker. Be creative with the extra space. You can achieve a lot with tiling to so not knocking the woodworker either.
@@RonMarshallrone: Most slabs are bigger than the machine can handle in one shot … in those cases do you use a tiling method?
X-Carve realistically is a 40 hour assembly. I have one, took about 40 hours. A lot of people who put one together for the first time have also reported 40 or so hours to assemble.
Wow. Thats crazy to me
I got the onefinity journeyman never used or owned a cnc i had it set up in just few hrs and worked perfect right away
Cool!
Just ordered a shapeoko pro XXL after going around and around looking as t these 3 machines. Carbide 3d gave me the best feeling from a customer support standpoint and it's a really capable cnc. Now I'm awaiting delivery
Cool! I think you'll be happy with it
I ordered a OneFinity, with the idea of the 6-8 week wait time, to spend the time with vCarve. Thanks for the confirming information.
Glad I could help!
Perhaps because I'm a mechanical engineer I went for the precision and stiffness of the 1F. I realize that you don't need the same level of precision when working with wood but I guess that's just an occupational hazard. I also like that the 1F is easily upgradable to a true spindle. For about $250 I got a 2.2kW (3 Hp) spindle and VFD instead of the Makita router. The spindle is significantly quieter than the router and the extra Hp lets me up the cutting speed. If you don't opt for the 1F controller you can easily connect the BuildBotics controller (1F controller is based on the Buildbotics unit). The Buildbotics unit has a few more signals out that will allow you to connect and run closed-loop steppers. That would be about a $500 upgrade for 4 motors with encoders, their drivers and power supplies. I'll probably go that way because running open-loop generally makes me uneasy. Probably just another occupational hazard.
In general I find the 1F to be a great machine. It's well built, accurate, requires little maintenance and can be easily upgraded.
Thank you for sharing this
What spindle did you get?
The main reason I haven’t pulled the trigger on the X-50 is that it doesn’t allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly. Did you switch out your controller? Does it allow on the fly adjustment?
I think the best part that separates all of them is the 30 day you break it we will fix it free on us by Shapeoko. Me being who I am I’ll not find a way to break things but I can imagine I’ll break something within the first 30 days as I’m as green in this field as a freshly cut tree. I’m kind of hard on tools because I will put them to their fullest potential if not beyond if I can find a way. Being the tinkerer that I am having such a fun tool as this I could easily burn this out for the time I can spend on it np.
I hope to have my shop built next year so I can pull the trigger on one of these fine machines because, well, it’s a super cool toy and I love big boy toys especially for wood working.
I am a tech teacher who uses techno small router with my students. Use solidworks and featurecam for design and tool paths. Looking for a router for when I retire. This was a great video. Has me seriously considering Onefinity.
I agree with most of your analysis. With the exception of your final spreadsheet breakdown. To make things equal, you added the cost of the Makita Router to the overall cost of the OneFinity, but then you made note of the negativity of not coming with a router. If it is a negative, you should not have added the price to the overall cost, but if you are insistent on adding the cost, you can’t make it a negative. As a OneFinity owner, I have found the support second to none when it came to issues. OneFinity’s rapid response to queries and problems is exceptional and very rapid… even on weekends and after hours.
I get what you're saying. I just don't see it that way. But looking at the big picture, what's $80 bucks when we're talking about $2500
Andy, I know this video is a year old. I see in the side bar that you have a newer video about the Shapeoko 5 Pro which is newer and they ditched the belts and now it had ball screws. As a beginner machine, I think that's for me. Thank you for taking the extra time in creating this video. You've already been a great help to me and I haven't even started yet. I do have some wood working machines and I got myself an old Bridgeport milling machine in fair condition that I used to use in the machine shop which is a big plus for me as a retired machinist. I can't wait to buy my 1st CNC Router and get started.
Andy, it has been 2 years since you made this video. I have been thinking about getting into cnc, reading all I can, and am getting UA-cam video overload. This is a great comparison and to see the comments made since you did it. I am close to ordering my machine. I think I am going with the Shapeoko 4XL. They have the 5 out now too but the 4 should do all I need along with all of the accessories. I considered the Infinity, Shark, and Longmill. The support, experiences, and history of Shapeoko keeps coming out on top of my comparisons. The ONLY decision yet to make is will it be the XL or the XXL. I THINK the XL will be the one I go with. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS COMPARISON!!!
Two years later I am still looking at the Shapeoko and the Onefinity along with the Stepcraft M series. I was ready to pull the trigger and I found the Origin which although not technically not a CNC, it is a CNC controled router that would do most of my woodworking needs. LIfe is just to short for the amount of hobbies I have.
I’ve got the onefinity journeyman with QCW and a 2.2kw spindle with cable drag chains and pwncnc v7 for the 4” dust hose. I surface my mdf wasteboard at 400ipm with a 2” surfacing flywheel cutter. Cuts hardwoods like butter. It’s an absolute beast. I’ve had 3D printers with belts, wheels and linear rails. Rails and ball screws leave all the other methods buried in sweet sweet perfect wood chips. I honestly use a 120v 1” diameter bit all day making signs and it eats through third sheets of Baltic birch ply like crazy. I’m sure shapeoko has a great product but I’ve crashed all my rails on the 1f in the past, and not gone out of alignment, destroyed any aluminum or burned up any motors. Vacuum table is next(building in coming weeks). I love this machine. It just goes. Oh, and tramming? If needed, Is easy peasey. Their support, though in Canada, gets great reviews from me. I can’t wait to see what they come out with next. Now to save up for the shop bot pro or IS. The onefinity will buy that for me.
Thank you for sharing!
Hi J, I am curios about how your Vacuum table turned out. I am also wondering where you got your 2.2 kw spindle with cable drag chains from. Thank you.
@@berndjahn6980 The Vacuum table works really well. I LOVE it for cutting out 1/3 sheets of ply, and found that I have very little waste. I used MDF as the plenum, but I'll be replacing that with Melamine that I edge band to seal up the sides to get better suction. That way the bottom, sides, and top(minus the plenum area) will be sealed with melamine, and sealing the carved out plenum area with flex seal or something like that so that way it's completely airtight. I'll attach LDF to the top with bolts via threaded inserts in the melamine. I didn't have a chance to put the original video online. I'll do a livestream when I do it, and post it to the Onefinity Facebook page, and forum. As an additional side note, I'll also put grooves on the bottom of the plenum board to accept the QCW t-track, and mount it directly to the QCW board. I'll flex seal those grooves as well to maintain vacuum. I got my 2.2 kw spindle from Amazon. It's the Huanyang 220V 2.2 air cooled. I've also got a mophorn 2.2 water and HY 2.2 water cooled, but am having cooling system issues, so I've got the air one in currently. if you don't NEED water cooled, air is far easier to put in, and one less system to maintain. I'll put keywords in the video when it comes out to be QCW, Onefinity, Black Box Storm, Vacuum Table to make it searchable. I think the melamine will be rigid enough to not have to deal with any flex. I'm looking to use 3/4 melamine, and 3/4 ldf for simplicity. Oh, and as a side note, I'll also be building a top attachable 'table' for alternative clamping scenario's where vacuum won't work. I hope to build it, and post, in the next couple weeks.
I am waiting for my Shapeoko 5 to come in now and am ready to get started on it. You mentioned that you could not find some of the information on the website. When you purchase the machine, they inundate your email in a good way with the information that you need. That being said, you able to do a lot of preperation for what you need to know even before it arrives. I did like your video and appreciate the work you put into it. I am a new sub and looking forward to seeing more content.
Awesome! Welcome!!
Hello, I am in the market for my first CNC machine. This video was very helpful but I am wondering if any of your review has changed in the last couple of years? Is there another to look at? Still feel Shapeoko and Onefinity are the best out there? I actually created my own spreadsheet and reviewed several others but came down to the three you reviewed. Threw out Inventables for a lot of the reason you listed (but did download their software to start designing). If you have any updates I would love to hear them! Thanks!
Before you gave us your opinion I had already picket the One infinity. I believe that it is held down by screws and you have to screw the unit down by screwing down the screws on the inside first I think the outside screw holes at the feet on the outside are at an angle that would cause the leg to push or pull the unit "OUT OF SQUARE" . I wished you had included the Longmill in this comparison. I purchased a CNC from Vevor which was a disaster. No support, no operation manual. So I'm stuck with something I know nothing about, now it cost me $895 plus shipping and they reimbursed me a small amount and I keep the cnc which is will be for sale pre-assembled.
Im using the Onefinity Machinist (all the space i had). Its been amazing and ive had zero issues with it, the maintenance of the machine is super minimal, the touch screen is easy to use, I can use Either Easel or Carbide create with it so there is choice of software... Ive already made enough on it that ive paid the machine off and more. Wish I had space for a woodworker or the Journeyman... whenever i do get a larger space I have no doubts ill go back to Onefinity - 100% worth the wait time.
Thanks for sharing!
What sort of things have you made on it that you sell?
Got my Shapeoko XXL about 1 1/2 years ago. The machine has done everything I have needed. Their support is outstanding even after a 1 1/2 I had an issue with my bit sitter and they called me today to help me get it fixed! The only issue I have had that I can't get fixed is the cutter loses connection when I run my dust collector. We have tried everything but still can't get it fixed.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I've heard more than once that Carbide 3D's support is second to none.
One the dust collector issue, must be static electricity?
@@AndyBirdBuilds Yes it is. I just have to get everything grounded correctly. Its still a work in progress.
Static is often the primary reason for disconnects, but I recently saw something that said that GRBL-based machines are more susceptible. I don’t know where I saw that, but I’m wondering if there’s anything to it?
Great comparison. I’ve never tried the Shapeko but have the others and the onefinity makes the X-carve look like a little baby. I sold my X-carve after a week of having the onefinity.
I love your work!
@@bennygerow thank you so much.
I purchased an x-carve and yes it took all of the 16 hours to build. That said I got it for about 2000$ fully loaded. Don't know if it will perform yet still building out the CNC table and shop space.
I have a Longmill and love it! I looked into all these for a long time. At the end of the day the xcarve and shapoko were too light duty and small for the price. The onefinity almost won me over but the super long shipping wait was its downfall. So I went with the longmill and received within 3 weeks and have had it for a little over a month and love it.
I've been hearing this a lot. I need to check it out. Thanks for sharing
I’ve been researching the LongMill, and for the price is very tempting!
My only complaints of the longmill is it has to be tethered to a PC, the limit sensors are sold separately (not that expensive, should be standard) and some of the parts are 3D printed and can me difficult to install some hardware.
Thanks for the feedback!
The Longmill MK2 and Onefinity Journeyman X-50 are on my short list. Does the Longmill allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly? The X-50 doesn’t, although the new Elite Journeyman does (but has a 16-18 week lead time 😩). You can put a third party controller on the X-50 to do it, but I’m not all that interested in taking apart a brand new machine to make it work how I think it should. Thanks!
I'd love to see an update comparing the SO5 Pro to the OneFinity Pro and or Elite. That's what I'm trying to decide now. I'm still finding the SO5 cheaper and includes a lot more, but that OneFinity is also a nice machine. Btw, I sold my SO3 XXL after about 10 years and never had an issue with it. The Makita lasted that long and is still running, just needs tape to keep the speed stable. :-)
The 1F can also upgrade to the Journeyman right out of the gate or down the road to bump up to a 4’ width that can tile full sheets. That’s a massive advantage over the others.
That is a great point. Thanks
I was a shapeoko fan as it was my first machine but I wanted more accuracy with ball and screw. Got the onefinity woodworker as my second machine and it is a beast. I absolutely love it. Yea the shapeoko can go together in a few hours but you will spend several more tinkering with it if you want truly accurate cuts. With the onefinity I barely had to square it or tinker with it. I also move often so the ability to break down the onefinity in a matter of maybe 30 minutes and put it back in its original boxes is absolutely one it’s best qualities. As for if it slams into a stop it doesn’t hurt the machine. If the stepper motors end up exerting more than a certain voltage (as in the case of trying to slam into a stop) they stutter and keep the machine from hurting itself. It doesn’t sound good when it happens but it’s just the motor protecting itself and it’s really not hurting anything at all. The ONLY downside to onefinity is it’s still new so there are still lots of new things coming out for it and there are things being upgraded. The community is also still small compared to xcarve and shapeoko so you have to learn on your own with a few things rather than having a community to reach out too.
Thanks for sharing, James!
Which Shapeoko did you have? I understand the Shapeoko 4 and Shapeoko Pro are much better than the Shapeoko 3.
I’m right behind you. I learned on a Shapeoko 3 XXL and loved it, but want something more rigid for my own machine. I’m hesitating because the X-50 doesn’t allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly 😕 The Elite Journeyman does (but has a 16-18 week lead time 😩 and costs more). You can put a third party controller on the X-50 to do it, but I’m not all that interested in taking apart a brand new machine to make it work how I think it should. If you went from a Shapeoko I’m thinking you were used to being able to adjust. Is it OK without?
Would love to see an update on the new models from each company!!
Very good comparative analysis. Before I bought my Shark, I was getting confused with all the machines that were available. It was so difficult to actually tell what you were getting. I didn't want a hobby machine and I wasn't going to get an industrial grade model. I eventually narrowed my choices down to three. I got the Shark over the other two for various reasons, price being one, work envelope, availability, pretty much knowing what I was getting, including software, and it was sold in many woodworking retailers throughout the United States. I would have liked to see it assembled and running, but not having one of those retailers where it is sold nearby, I bought it sight unseen. It's pretty good. I think I made the right choice.
Now I'm considering getting another machine to put in another location, have it as a show piece and dedicate it to a specific product line.. I could just get another Shark I guess, but I am enjoying looking at learning about other machines. Maybe I could get something just a suitable for less. It's actually quite helpful and informative to learn from those like you who have started this ahead of me.
Great to hear! How has the Shark been for you? I don't know much about that machine
@@AndyBirdBuilds So far I'm pretty satisfied. I'm able to cut all around 24 x 48 material. It's not enormous, but it's a decent size work envelope. It's also nice for nesting pieces and doing multiple pieces in one set up. I haven't pushed it real hard yet, but it seemed to handle cuts pretty well when I increased feed rates or took deeper cuts. When I get more into 3d cutting, higher feed rates and larger tools and greater material removal, I'm sure I'll see where it's limits are. For now I'm getting used to it and being conservative..
Just a note: There are many different NEMA 23 motor torque ratings. Saying that all three have the exact same stepper motors may not be accurate. They have the same form factor.
Hi! Rob, the Shapeoko user here. I did my part and watched this video for the full 31 minutes and then some, rewinding and reviewing to understand each point fully. As a subscriber, I expect a more confident answer than "either - or" or "lean towards". C'mon Andy... Commit and say it with your chest pal. That's a whole lotta video to watch to not be presented with the answer to the question posed in the title. Not an intentional Karen but accountability is really important. Life if far too short to mince words. Other than that, thank you for all the tips you delivered to me over time. Love the channel.
Thank you for watching and your perspective. I don't believe it's a black and white answer otherwise I would have given one. I clearly pointed out which machine is stronger where. But it would be naive of me to state that one machine is clearing the best in EVERY category when it's not.
@@AndyBirdBuilds All great info I've never seen in 1 place. Great video nonetheless.
Hi Andy, Thank you so much for your videos. My husband and I have a really successful Etsy shop and have recently begun the process of researching, etc., CNCs to ramp production. We typically use a scroll or jig to cut our items. The machine would save us an inordinate amount of time, thus increasing profits! That being said, I came upon your channel during the research. The first one was “should I buy a CNC?” Every piece of advice is spot on….it is the perfect advice. And thank you, thank you, thank you for this. This information has saved us a lot of time. You did the legwork for us! I plan on watching all of your videos!
You are an amazing presenter. I’m a fan for sure!
Ps…started watching your “why isn’t my stuff selling on Etsy” video. Jeez, you nailed it. It’s the advice I give to everyone. People sell things that are completely saturated on Etsy. Gotta come up with novel ideas!
Hello! I was going through old comments and I'm not sure how I missed this one! Thank you so much for the kind words! Did you make the jump into CNC yet?
@@AndyBirdBuilds You're so funny! :) So nice to get back to me. We went with the Shapeoko 4XXL last March. That being said, I really wish I did the Onefiniti that you suggested. Price was a concern, so I thought the Shapeoko would be the better choice. I paid via Paypal deferred interest for 6 months. It was paid off in 2 months!!!! We totally ramped up production. Products are more precise, so less work with finishing. Totally could have swung the Onefiniti. But this does a great job and maybe I'll upgrade in the future!
Again - LOVE your content!
Wondering why you didn't include Sienci Labs Longmill in this comparison, as it's in the same category.
I'm definitely sold on the Onefinity X-50. They don't mention import charges though to ship to the US. I guess I could call them to find out.
none!
Set up time means extremely very little to me, considering the life of the experience. I’d rather spend 3 days building something if it’s cheaper, better,bigger, has software etc etc. or honestly even one of those things. That’s me though.
Fantastic video. Well spoken. Thank you.
The ball screw drives on the One are nice, but i would think they would need to be kept very clean or they will wear fast. All things compared, that would make me personally think that the Shapeoko Pro XXL would be the better machine. The 15mm belt has some give, and will ive faster than wear like the ball screws. Just my 2 cents. Great video.
nice compare of machines thanks. so after a year what are your thoughts now?
Wow now this is one of the best reviews that I have seen
Someone has probably asked this question. but im getting ready to pull the trigger on the pro xl. is it better to have the bit setter?? or do I really need it at this time??
Thank you in advance Andy
Cool! The Bitsetter is my favorite feature. shop.carbide3d.com/andybirdbuilds
Brilliant CNC video Andy bro.. I live in IRELAND and CNC's are not a major thing here atm as far as I know. I mentioned building my own to people I work with and my job designs and builds routers and the boards. I'm new to all this stuff but I have been buying the component parts to build my own. My failings will show up once I begin getting into the software to run this bad boy I want to build. I bought Longrunner Nema 17 stepper motors and I will buy the 1200mm lead screws for the Axis on all fronts. Atm they're very expensive but I will put the lead screws on both sides and I will buy the shorter length screws for the Axis thaT HOLDS THE SPINDLE, ETC.
Like I already said this is all new to me but I know I can build the CNC eventually. I want to learn about how to set up the Steppers.
I looked at a Shapoko? for about 800 Euros which was a desktop but it was about 400mm x 400mm cutting size or so. I get u lose some of the board cutting size due to parts on the rails. I have a fair bit to learn over the next 12 months pal but I'm all in now. It's going to take me a little time to get to where I wanna go but eventually I want to build my own small business that please God takes off and allows me to give back to my community in terms of education for youths coming through.
Most young folks today have a great grounding in computers and all it entails which I never got in school but after school is where a lot of them get caught up in some BS.. I wanna change that eventually. I will take a few years but I intend on changing a whole lot of things around my hometown.
Apologies for rabbiting on so much bro. Love ur playlist on here too. So much brilliant information on the videos and I will be picking ur brain one day soon about other things in this line. Thanks for the information Andy mate and keep up the great work.
India enjoy your videos and all the information you offer to everybody out there in the CNC world. By myself m a x-carve owner the one thing I didn't notice that you had said in your video of the three comparisons the height is only two and a half inches not four and a half
Thanks for sharing!
How about an openbuilds lead cnc? Or if you go outside of USA/Canada > uk's workbee cnc or Portugal's ratrig cnc are also great options
If there's enough interest then I could do another video. I had to draw the line somewhere otherwise the video would have been 5 hours long
@@AndyBirdBuilds yup I get that. So start working on the video! 🤣😁 J/k
Thank you for doing this! It makes it easier to know what to do and how to rate/ judge on what would be the best way to purchase a CNC.
X-carb does offer a upgrade to their x-car table at rigidity to the rails goes to a 16mm belt with new Step Motors and offers in you Z height router assembly and it does come now with a DeWalt 611 router.
Based on experience with my first purchase of a cheap little CNC in order to test whether I wanted to get into CNC, I would recommed not even cosidering a machine without limit switches. You will be installing them when your software goes flaky and jams into the end rail if it doesn't break something or burn out a stepper motor!
Well thanks a lot, I was going to pull the trigger on the x-carve, I have now took that one off the list now I’m down to the other two and don’t know which one, now more research
Glad I could help!
This video may be too old to get a reply to my comment but here goes. Any particular reason you did not consider Next Wave’s smaller machines? Those you reviewed are certainly capable machines and their bed sizes are sort of an envy of mine. I have a Next Wave Piranha XL. It has been a stellar performer and it also does not need a computer to run. It came with VCarve and I upgraded to VCarve Pro. My bed size is limited to 12” x 24”, but has served me well for the projects and products I’ve made. VCarve supports tiling and I’ve used it very successfully to make items larger than the machine’s capacity. It does not use belts and support is really good. Certainly worth considering. There has been a name change for the model I have, but appears to be the same.
Looking into cnc for the first time in detail And for what I can see most of these machines are built with very cheap components these are glorified 3D printer frames. What I’m looking for it quality linear rails & ball and screw at least geared nema27 .
I’m sure we can make better.
A open source project is most likely my next move at these prices could get some good parts is my thinking.
Thanks for the upload.
The ONEFINITY also didn't include the actual router. Great review of apples-to-apples comparison, I specifically really appreciate the insight on assembly times!!! Limiting my ability to do things wrong and break things!
Ignore me! You caught that in your wrap-up! You, good Sir, have out-detailed me!
I really want the Onefinity, but it doesn't seem complete enough for me. I run CNC machines as a day job and want to go into business for myself so I can hold up the middle finger to my overlords. The Shapeoko seems the most complete to me with the best interface and support. I don't care to tinker and fight with machines, I want to run them. The Shapeoko seems to fit that bill. X carve just looks to be an inferior version. I just wish the Shapeoko had a 48 inch version.
I liked your video and seemed to be a little more detailed than the ones I saw before I pulled the trigger, but... Your review of the Onefinity was a little unfair. The X50 is their Pro version which would compare to the Shapeoko Pro and the prices reflects that. With everything being the same, the X35 with the Stiffy and no display is $2044 + $90 spindle + $99 shipping which puts it on par with the others. This machine can be stood on with no ill effect. It is screwed to the mdf or table top which means that it won't walk around on you, like the others if you don't screw them down.. Crashing the machine has no ill effect since it used open/closed circuit stops versus mechanical switches. No belts to retention and v-wheels/pulleys that get fowled by debris. It is GRBL based so tons of free software to create the G-code(Carbide Create, Fusion 360, etc.), and the files can be transferred via thumb drive, network, or wifi from even your phone via its built in web server. It can use most touch screens, even your iPad and your phone as well to control it. Can add a camera. I could go on and on.......
Glad you liked it and it was helpful. As I said in the video my approach was as if someone was going to each website for the first time and baseing my review on that information. The part that your missing is it doesn't matter how rigid a machine is when thats not the weakest link. The palm router as a spindle is. So in my view the Onefinity is over built for the spindle they offer.
You should do another one of these and include the Stepcraft in the line up.
Thank you, very useful break down for someone looking into investing in a cnc machine.
Fantastic!
I just bought a 4x8 cutting surface cnc from Bobscnc for 1500, @Andy Bird Builds you should take a look at the "Evolution 5".
Nema 23 is the size/format standart. There are lot of Nema 23 motors with diferent torque, speed, etc.
Correct. I was comparing information from the manufacturers websites. Not one of them listed any of that information.
I'd like to see a wall mounted comparison test of the same 3 machines...but over time. I wonder what would happen to the belts versus screw in terms of maintenance.
As a guy with industrial maintenance experience, I’ll say that I’d rather deal with belts than ball screws, especially from a “average user” standpoint. Ball screws ARE more rigid and CAN be more accurate but they will require more attention. In a factory I worked in, our panel drilling machine used compressed air nozzles to keep wood dust off the ball screws; this isn’t a good idea for a small shop owner who would be relegated to manually brushing the screws from time to time. A dry silicone based lubricant is also a good idea for them so you’ll add some extra supplies.
As for belts. I’ve witnessed belt-driven machines tear apart their own steel and aluminum structures and smash through safety fences. The Shapeoko 15mm wide belt is an impressive upgrade as far as strength and rigidity goes. You’ll handily snap a bit before damaging the belts and get great resolution in your cuts with them. I’m a breath away from diving into a CNC table and I think the Shapeoko is becoming a clear front-runner in my opinion.
Thanks for making this video, it really puts the important info together as it needs to be shown.
I have ran all three machines and I own a X-Carve and Onefinity. The 1F is the closest in speed and repeatability to any of the larger 5x10 CNC machines I run at work. The only downfall to the 1F in my opinion is the wait time from ordering your machine to getting it delivered.
Great input. As far as Feeds and speeds in hardwood. How does the 1F compare to a larger industrial cnc router?
With just a makita router my speed and feed rates are not much faster than my x-carve. I have pushed it on a few test jobs and was impressed with the cuts. Now I do plan on getting a real spindle for it and I expect to get pretty close to the feed rate I get in the shop.
I would have gotten a Onefinity myself if they had a presence in Europe but importing would have cost so much that it simply wouldn't be worth it.
What is "1F". Is that a third machine?
@@ammerudgrenda it is just a shortened version of OneFinity.
Looking at the Onefinity, timecode 24:39, I'm only seeing a single Y-axis stepper (on the right side). Shouldn't we be concerned about possible racking on the left side, especially if we're cutting aluminum?
Each Y has it's own independent motor.
from my design background ballscrews are better than lead screws are better than belts. Is that how you guys see it?
Thanks for sharing!
With ballscrews on the last machine, could material get caught in the screws and cause problems?
One thing I noted about the Xcarve assembly time - their website said 16hrs for assembly AND training. I wonder how much of that 16hrs they are attributing to training on how to use it?
That's a possibility. Personally, I wouldn't think it would take 16 hours to assemble. But I'm not sure what "training" would be provided in combination with assembly.
@@AndyBirdBuilds it takes about around 16 hours... It comes in pieces...you build this thing!
Just ran across your video. Have you thought about doing another update comparison?
I looked up the Onefinity and it appears they have made leaps and bounds since your video.
Curious what your thoughts are. As I have never had or used one, but am interested. Thinking first project would be new kitchen cabinets after learning how to use it.
Thanks in advance.
05:30 NEMA 23 is just the motor frame size isn't it? That is not the only measure of a NEMA motor. In the NEMA 23 frame size you can find motors with from 0.6 to 3.0 Nm of force, big difference. I think you should look into how much force (Nm or oz./in.) each motor generates to get a better comparison.
The Onefinity can be monitored AND controlled from any PC (or even your phone or tablet) on your network, so a local display is not essential, but it is desirable. Can the others do that I don't know. From your review it looks like only the Onefinity offers the joystick. Looking on their website I found out it is available as a wired or wireless model. Maybe not essential but seems like it would be handy. Is this even an option on the other two machines?
One other feature that does not fit into the 5 areas you evaluated is the ability to expand/upgrade your machine. Not sure about the other two but the Onefinity Woodworker or Machinist models can be upgraded to by swapping out the X axis rail as part of the 'Infinite Possibilities Program' they have currently running.
Their site says: "We will refurbish the old X- Rails and build an inventory of refurbished CNCs to get to Schools, Makerspaces and Veterans."
So that gives you a way to get into a larger machine in the future if you outgrow the one you start out with. It has no bearing on the quality of features of the Onefinity machine you start out with, so not a consideration that fits into your evaluation.
Great thoughts. Like I said in the video this is was a comparison based off the information provided from each manufacturers website and taking that information as a whole into consideration.
Andy, two years later, can you give me a quick update on your thoughts and the success on Onefinity? Thanks
If price is secondary, skip all of these and go the Avid CNC. I love mine!
I've heard good things
Thanks - have you also done a software comparison for these machines ??
Another brand to include in your comparison would be the Longmill from Sienci labs. I have been comparing them all and have decided myself that it would be the best deal for me. It is also made in Canada, only about a 2 hour drive from where I live and from all the online reviews and forums I've seen they have excellent customer service and are quick to respond to questions. I will be buying in the next month, just getting shop organized so I have room.
The Longmill has been brought up several times. I'm plan on taking a look at it.
The Sienci Labs Longmill is another excellent choice in desktop CNC machines. It's much more analogous to Onefinity's machines at a slightly lower price corresponding with slightly lower functionality.
Did you get it? The Longmill MK2 and Onefinity Journeyman X-50 are on my short list. Does the Longmill allow for adjusting feedrate on the fly? The X-50 doesn’t, although the new Elite Journeyman does (but has a 16-18 week lead time 😩). You can put a third party controller on the X-50 to do it, but I’m not all that interested in taking apart a brand new machine to make it work how I think it should. Thanks!
Fantastic job on this! I’m a shapoko pro owner and I must say one thing that’s intriguing with the new guy is I can literally put it on a 4x8 sheet or a table top and crave on it where I have to cut things down to fit on my hybrid table on my shapoko.
WOW! I don’t think that’s the intent, but you’re right! You could install the Onefinity onto a sheet! 🤯
For the first website, you didn't fill in your address. That's why it's free perhaps. It tends to update once you put in your address.
Also, it said 16 hours for assembly AND training (whatever that means).
I started researching about six months ago and joined both onefinity and shapeoko forums, They both seem equally capable in my mind and from what I have seen. I still am choosing to go for the shapeoko xxl pro though, the z axis isn't as good, which won't matter too much to me, it has more history and thus more unofficial potential support, the 30 screw up warranty is fantastic and the bed size is larger which for me is a big deal.
(btw the lead times on onefinity at the moment seem to be more like 4-5 weeks and not 3 months anymore...)
If the onefinity came out with a larger bed, hybrid table and first month warranty though, that would probably sway me towards them. Elsewise, my next one is likely an avid 48x48
Great thoughts!
onefinity journeyman cut area of 48x36
Do you think all three of these would be okay cutting alliminum and copper?
They can cut aluminum and copper. How well they are at is a different story. If I was going to be cutting these metals all the time I'd look else where
@@AndyBirdBuilds I'm assuming the cost of entry into a machine to cut those metals would also more than likely be a higher.
I bought the SO Pro while also thinking hard about the Onefinity. The Onefinity looks like a beast but in the end, I couldn't pass on the SO Pro's table. The X-Axis extrusion/rails are also very rigid and greatly improved over the other Shapeoko models. The community and Carbide's support are 2nd to none in my opinion. The wasteboard+T-slot hybrid table lets you easily tackle any work-holding strategies you're used to. The So Pro also comes with the Bitsetter which speeds up tool swaps. Love the SO Pro!
Thanks for the vid.
Great points, thanks for sharing!
I learned on a Shapeoko 3 XXL and the BitSetter IS really useful, but I am leaning toward a Onefinity because of its apparent rigidity, and ball screw drives.
Have you seen the MYSWEETY 4030 machine and if so what do you think. I can't find anything about it online. It looks like it's an Amazon product. I'm also looking at a Fox Alien. what do you think.
Why aren't you including the MillRight?
One year out. Any thought changes? Onefinity fully loaded versus the Shapeoko Pro with integrated bit setter/etc…..?
First let me say think you very much for this video.. very well done and I was just about ready to purchase my CNC.. when another friends presented one more company to look into..
I've done some research into the CNC but wanted to see what your thoughts are on the LongMill 30x30... my main use for this Machine is to help in the production of my Custom Guitars.
do you have any thoughts on this company and the Long mill 30 x 30
Glad I could help. I don't have any experience with the Longmill, I think its worth a consideration. Just make sure you know what your buying and look at what the kit comes with. Just because the price is cheaper, doesn't mean it comes with everything you'll need.
Thanks for this video, not yet purchased, how do you feel about your comparisons 2 yrs out. Any important thoughts?😊
Hi... do you offer any Online Class for any newbie who want to use CNC?
I want one so bad... but I can't find any lesson online.... and don't know where to start or how to operate one.
This is something I've been considering doing! Thanks for letting me know you're interested. In the meantime, I do have an exclusive CNC group you might be interested in. Check it out at www.patreon.com/Andybirdbuilds
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thank you. I'll keep an eye out for the group. But that's not my focus right now. I sincerely don't want to take in too many information since I don't have any knowledge and quite frankly, it's frustration having to take all these info and have no way to back trace them all.
It's very overwhelming for me.
Currently, I am interested in a Desktop CNC, called QueenAnt Pro 1515 by Yuyong Brand.
And they have option to use OFFLINE or Black Box.
So I would let like to just focus on this first.
Get things running & working before I venture any further.
Yuyong itself made it's obviously clear that they don't want to deal with Newbies. So they advice me to do my own research before buying their products.
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it and I have a request if you can do it?
Would you mind doing comparisons between the Onefinity, the Longmill MK2 and the Millright Mega V.
You did such a good job on this one you should do another comparison. It would be interesting to watch.
IMO, if I were in the market for an entry level desktop CNC, I would be hard pressed to choose any of these over the Longmill which is less than 1/2 the price of any of the machines you covered.
A lot of people are talking about the Longmill. I'm going to check it out
I've got one. It chews up v-wheels and one motor pulls a little harder than the other one. I can't go in fast gear. Its only normal or slow for me. Now I can't get a repeatable y0,x0 even though I use a block. I wish I wouldn't have gotten one. It's too much maintenance for me. I'm fixing to have to tear everything down and find out what's wrong as if putting it together wasn't long enough. The laser- thats another story.
Gsender........They don't seem to get the fact that users like to know when things are done downloading and they don't need two buttons (or 3) for testing the laser. One for on, One for off and one for testing. They only need one button to fire the laser and to turn off the laser. I find that I have to keep looking back at the computer screen just to turn it off and that is annoying.
The only thing I like is the price of their bits on their website.
Oh yeah, They speak of a glitch on their pdf instructions but when it happens they will not warranty it. Its their fault not ours! So, now I have a broken bolt in my gantry that I can't get out because they put it together at the factory. The glitch runs the bit into the aluminum block during xYZ and breaks the bit (or bolt in the gantry).
I'm really thinking of selling and buying the Shapeoko Pro 5 or the oNefinity.
And I really don't like all my lead screws looking crooked. Oh yeah, your entire z-gantry is being held on by ONE small piece of plastic that turns a belt with 2 teeny tiny screws. If they strip (which they will) or fail, your z drive and router will fall onto your project. If your not watching it will burn a hole in your wood and start a small fire.
Hi, wanted to ask about another cnc called workbee and what is the deiffernece between 1. ooznest
2. openbuilds and 3. bulkman since they all display the workbee ?
Sorry, I don't know anything about the workbee.
Hi Andy. I have the Shapeoko Pro. So far so good. I bought late last year and it was so it didn’t come w assembly instructions! I have a 15 minute UA-cam video to watch. I’ve upgraded to to include the bit setter, and the xyz setter thing. I use the carbide create pro since it’s soooo much cheaper than vcarve. The support from is them is amazing as I’ve emailed called and face timed yes FaceTime! In the beginning I’ve had issues with the controller and the power button which they overnighted to me free.
I do love the look of the one finitey though. I’m selling coasters like crazy!
Thank you for sharing. All these are great points!
Your guidance has helped me decide to buy the Onefinity. Thank you!
Fantastic!
IMHP and experience the open ball screws will become a problem as dust will work past the seals
This is interesting. I've heard this elsewhere too. I'm wondering if I should of made maintenance a category
Any input on Industrial CNC? I’m looking to upgrade to something a little bigger and more capable than my Shapeoko xxl, which I do like a lot.
My next step wood be an @avidcnc
Well done video. Well thought out. I like the comparison categories. It makes it a lot easier to figure out what you want.
Glad it was helpful!
For me the OneFinity was the winner. I just received my new Journeyman
It's the superior machine in a lot of ways
I think yes, the OneFinity is more expensive, but it provides the next step up from belt driven. I am seeing 3 levels, Belt Driven, Ball screw on all three axis, then a Spindle Drive one (AvidCNS, $5,00+). With the OneFinity you have no belts, I believe you are spending more for that next step to no belts.
Have you made a comparison with LongMill MK2 vs onefinity? What you think of this machine?
You did not include the longmill and can be used software elease
Many have said this also. I haven't heard much about the longmill until now
I did months of comparisons looking at x-Carve, Shapeoko, LongMill and 1F. Between those it would be the 1F hands down. But I ordered a CNC4Newbie. Please do a video on them, great machine and I am not affiliated with them.
I appreciate your thoughts. I'm definitely planning another video
Sorry, abreviation for Onefinity.
This is the first I've heard of the CNC4Newbie. This looks like a scaled down version of the Avid. Very conventional looking. Looks like it's all off the shelf parts with the exception of the the milled aluminum parts, for the gantry sides and the ends of the Y's and the Z. Also the controller looks like their design.
This NEW-Carve looks so much like the machine I was going to build myself with the exception that instead of the milled aluminum I was going to use laminated beech. I was going to make the parts 1" thick, 4 1/4" thick ply's. This arrangement would be strong enough to mill aluminum when I was ready for that. I was looking at the Buildbotics controller.
But now I don't know. I was looking at more money for the same thing. I still think I'd spend the $100 more for the Buildbotics because it handles the VFD for a spindle and it handles a fourth axis plus it's set up for a webcam. Does the Demon controller do those things?
I saw a short video of one of those CNC4Newbie's the other day. It was moving just shy of 3000 inches per minute (Not mm either). Not a typo. Yes I said 3000 inches per minute.
I've never seen anything go that fast and it was solid as a rock. How has it been? Does your z axis skew? How much did you pay and what about customer support? And, what is the ordering process? Do you get the entire machine form them in a kit. Saw their website and wasn't clear on that.
Can the onefinity be placed on a larger sheet, clamped down all corners, and set to cut depth below the height of the cnc?