The Cheapest CNC Router on Amazon
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spindle on and off isn't hard. it's crap coding.. m03 turns it on and m05 turns it off. just edit the code before running. the m03 needs a speed number like "m03 s5000". m04 i think is counter clockwise if you ever need that. just put it somewhere like after raising from z from x0y0. just so it before the first negative z movement, you be fine. the m05 i always put in after it returns to x0y0. funny you mention it as a starting point. i got a 3018 as a starting point because i wanted to learn programing and get so hands on. they're not going to let me have a shot at work. a programmer in my area makes a significant amount more than i do. about the machine though it's 3 axis mill, tiny, weak and questionable quality but it'll run code. you gotta factor in feeds, speeds, chip load and the machine's ability (not much lol). i would argue it counts.
Cute how long until it grows up to be an adult cnc router lmao
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what if you want to make the cnc longer? is there any way to expand it?
One thing I can't understand with all of these China products is why the instructions are so bad. There must be 1 million native English speakers in China who will help you write your manual for the price of a beer. Why the Chinglish when one beer and some friendly conversation would make your product look 100% more professional?
I noticed in step one of the instructions you fitted the sliders back to front so the mounting holes were inboard instead of out board it’s why they ended up sticking out from the deck your remedy of moving them to an inner slot is ok but the deck would be more stable the correct way round fitted to the outer slot. Btw thanks for the great content
I'm used to running million dollar cnc machines. When I got out of manufacturing, I wanted to have some cnc machines in the garage, but back then, 14k was the bottom of the market. But now I will probably start at the new bottom and work my way up.
It's actually pretty cool. And don't deny it, you loved every minute of putting it together.
Very exciting to see the construction from scratch and also hearing the motors whirr !!
The motor is really quiet.
Thanks for sharing.
The plastic is not 3D printed. It’s injection molded. The lines you saw were from the mold pattern which likely was 3D printed.
Good to know!
The lines are from milling the mold
Nailed it!
Yes I was wondering, about that. Is it even possible to get such high quality 3D printed part…
Probably cnc bit lines from milling the Moldavie...
It's a great way to learn... costs about what a single textbook would cost when going to school. I'm actually on my second one now... both still work. But, I got so used to having the smaller (1610) that I didn't want to screw it up experimenting, so I bought a 3018 to break... which was actually cheaper than the first one. Side note for those who haven't noticed: 1610 is 16cm x 10cm work area, 3018 is 30cm x 18cm... roughly. Height is roughly 45mm.
Biggest issue is the under-rated power supplies they come with. I popped the first one with my first mistake. Replaced it with an old laptop brick for a while, then a custom job. The second one didn't pop but was obviously crow-baring (shutting down the output to protect itself) under any kind of load. I could hear it stutter; thing couldn't even cut hardboard. So, I replaced that one with better as well. Cuts much better now. Oh, the 775 motors are cheap on eBay, but that '775' is just a size so be careful on the specs. And, they make 795 and now 799 with the same diameter but longer. They fit but will absolutely need a better power supply.
Best use for these things, besides learning, is mounting a drag knife and cutting out vinyl decals. My kid loves it... custom stickers everywhere. Next is engraving Plexiglas for edge-illuminated nightlights. Styrofoam rocket nosecones. Some wood silliness. Did a couple isolation-routed PCBs, worked but... you know... JLCPCB is hard to compete with. Tried engraving stainless... nope. But, cutting out a decal and using that to guide q-tip electrolysis did a good job of cutting names in spoon handles :) There's always a way.
So far I've only managed to mangle a little bit of aluminum, but I've not given up on that. With the right techniques, I think it can do something useful... still learning how.
Oh, and thanks for the tip on coloured CA for filling an engraving. Never heard of that; nice results.
Sounds like it would be good for engraving Dollar Trees wooden craft pieces or possibly even their metal craft shapes.
Not being one to read looooong comments, not mad I read yours. Lots of useful info! 👊
My dad was a machinist for 45 years both as his day job for a big company in the silicon valley area, and then he also had a sizable shop he ran out of our back yard too. I know delrin when I see it. I may not know much of anything about CNC milling, but I know aluminum, stainless, and delrin because almost everything in our house was fixed and replaced using those three materials. I'd bet you anything that black plastic is delrin.
I am loving this channel! I recently purchased a 3018 and I enjoy it a lot. I agree there can be a lot to learn on these little starter machines, but the time can be worth it! I do not regret my purchase! Great video!
Right on! Thanks for being here!
I got into CNC via this route, bought a cheap 3018, then moved on to a 400x400mm. This is perfect for me as retired. Can do real CNC but on a retirement budget and timescale.
Thanks for sharing!
I bought a cheap 3018 on a whim a few years back. It's pretty much a slightly bigger version of what you got. I've used it for carving names on coasters, a D&D logo, and a few messages-all in oak or sapele. They cope a lot better than expected, and given a few small upgrades, they can handle a lot more than you'd think.
I agree!
I did so too. And after only a handful of upgrades it weights now 75kg, has a steel bed, wireless tool setter and touch probe, a 2kW spindle with ceramic bearings and HSK32 manual tool changer. It cuts aluminium like butter and mild steel just fine.
I can really recommend the 3018 for beginners, with some minor upgrades it's really awesome.
Could it cut 3mm brass??
You have a 3018 that weighs... 165 pounds? That's a beefy 3018
Thinking about getting into this, mind if I ask what you paid for that? I'm trying to not break the bank getting a cnc
So cute! I giggled when you said it took you 2 hours. I have a Bobs CNC. KL744. It took me 5 days to build it. 😆😆 I am definitely impressed that the spindle power is controlled by the machine. I had the same thought you did. I wish mine was powered like that. Cool video. 👌👍
lol, thanks!
I saw a guy mount a dremel to a 3d printer a few years ago and i was kind of astonished how well it did some basic shallow cuts.
This is exactly why I got one, I built my own larger cnc but have no idea how to use software and this is much more accessible to mess around with to learn software with
As a good first upgrade on mine (Close enough on make/model) was to separate the power for the spindle from the board. The board it comes with is limited in the amount of amps it can spit out. Even a cheap laptop power supply sized accordingly can assist in getting a lot more out of that spindle. That and a could small updates, I was able to cut some shapes from thin copper sheets. Slowly engrave some aluminum, and dig into harder woods much faster.
what voltage and amperage did u run it on?
Excellent video! First time watching your channel, and I'm impressed!
Honestly a pretty amazing little unit for the price. Perfect for kids or adults wanting to learn and work on small stuff for fun.
Exactly my thoughts. Think of purchasing for both my kids too
This is a great video; great concept and curiosity! Well done!! DD
Bro I just found ur channel. I've been talking about building my own CNC but I'm in the market for a small one so I can learn all about the stuff u just mentioned with X/Y/Z AXIS, the Software, etc.. I have a plan in mind within the next 2 years to go into business for myself with my own home built CNC but I know I will have to buy the parts that I cannot build like the Hardware/computer hook ups and all that good stuff but I know I can eventually build one about 6' X 4' in size one day. That's the plan anyways.. I might even go to 8' X 4' ..
I'm working out of a 16X10 garage atm and it's cool and all even though I'm only in the process of kitting the place out atm.
This has given me food for thought tho so thanks my bro. I appreciate videos like this which help ppl like me to make more informed choices.
If there's anybody out there with a channel as well that makes these types of videos please get in touch bcos I need to learn as much as I can now.. Thanks again bro..
This is why I like the Makers Space at the Tulsa Central Library. We have a cnc mill, laser engraved cutter, 3 3d printers, serger sewing machine, loom, vinyl cutter, Dremel, soldering iron for electronics & even more. They even have a small recording studio available. Plus upstairs is a comprehensive computer lab to do anything you in luding transferring vhs to dvd.
I actually haven't been there in awhile. I just like watching maker videos on UA-cam & bragging about our library in the hope other libraries will get it. Plus it lets people know they can find maker spaces that are either free like our library or don't cost that much compared to buying things.
The hold up on the spindle turning on or off on your own is generally included in the G code. You can write it in yourself, but the code can vary depending on What machine you are using
Yeah, most POSTs will include it in the Gcode for you but for the sake of two lines of code you too can "automatically" turn the spindle on and off. Usually:
M00 - spindle off
M01 - spindle on (CW)
M02 - spindle on (CCW)
Not sure about this model, but on CNC lasers, M00 or M01 is a stop code. M02 is end of program. M03 and M04 would be spindle CW/CCW in fanuc CNC anyway.
That was better than I expected.
Totally agree!
Dude your wood skills are amazing. I would not have though of this trick to get out the grooves
I wondered how one of these would perform and now i know. Also there are cheap kits to extend the X axis, which means you can upgrade that machine to the equvalent 3040 machine spec for a few extra bucks.
These actually work, I might grab one for routing out guitar fretboard inlays. Doesn't need to be super precise or high quality to router out some Gibson or Fender style inlays.
Cool machine! If I was to guess, the black plastic side parts are Delrin. Delrin is a very rigid plastic, very dimensionally stable and dense.
I just learned about mini miter saws & other power equipment in mini form for crafting. I saw them at under a $100. I'd love to see someone check them out.
I don't want to waste money on a crappy thing but I'd definitely have more room in my apartment for those instead of the big ones.
Awesome build my friend.. continued success to your channel
I love the fact you are using the Hagerty engine tear down and assembly time-lapse music.
Cheers to the firsts in the world included in this video! This was a neat overview of something I would be scared to buy, like a new pair of shoes that come with laces made of floss. Thanks for sharing.
I think I identified the lowest entry point into cnc with this one.
Great video and glad you took the first dive. I’d think I’d rather get a laser for engraving, but definitely will now buy this to get into CNC. Better $120 than $6000 on something that scares me to spend as an ornament in my shop.
You make a valid point about engraving with a laser. I don't think you can go wrong with starting with this machine for this price.
First time viewer, GREAT video. If you’re just looking to add simple accents to your project, this appears to fill the need. Thank you for taking the time! 👍👊
I see this being useful for someone that makes dioramas or model train builders or something very small scale.
I got this with 2 flute endmill, it's actually pretty good. I made brackets with this.
I got this exact one 3 days ago and so far I actually love it haha. I bought some endstops for it since it had the plugs for it also the x probe. Since it’s all extrusion and rods I’ll be upgrading the size in a week or so. Last night I did a fairly detailed Ferrari into acrylic. Took 2 hours but turned out well and no problems for the whole 2 hour engraving. I paid 190 cad for it and very happy with it. My boss asked me to learn cnc since I already do 3d printing and laser engraving so of course I went on Amazon and got a cheap cnc to learn. I don’t regret it one bit.
Cool!
How do you prepare files for it? I found the instruction manual pretty daunting as a noobie. Thanks!
This was cool always seen cnc's operate but had no clue what goes in to the mechanics of it. This would definitely a great way to start your learning process in cnc in my opinion. Cool vlog. ✌
100% agree!
Gotta love Starbond! 😀 Very cool that this little machine did as well as it did.
i have had a 1610 for a few years now. i have used it to cut 7mm bamboo and 4mm acrylic. It is a very capable little machine. As long as its wood that your working with.
Thanks for sharing
very good observation, if u find a niche to market to, no matter the interest, and personalize it to the customers wants, keep intouch
An important word to the wise.. with reference to the “plastic” material the frame etc is made of… under not circumstance use loctite type thread sealer on any of the hardware that come in contact with this plastic… it reacts with the plastic and causes it to become brittle and crack!!
As a general wanderer of the internet, I gotta say: this is the best, most wholesome, non toxic comment section I. Have. Ever. Seen.
I think I’m going to stay in this part of the internet for a while. I’m super intrigued by CNC’s now.
Glad to have you!
I also have a 3018, but in a pro version. It works very well with small details.
What Softwear are you using for 3018
To turn the spindle on and off is in the G-code. And I recomend you update the GRBL software asap, the older versions tend to stop working at random.
Another good insight on a cheap CNC for a learner and would say if anyone feels like having a go then start small and see if you can work it all out , without paying the earth and find out you dont like the idea.
as for the software to turn on and off the spindle.
The spindles on smaller machines use from 12v to 24v and are connected directly to the controller board specially GRBL, and this is why a lot of people like them.
Also VFD systems are controlled via the controller right out of the box,
Basically most wood cutting cnc machines use what ever router the person feels like using, and so they are not directly connected to the main controller but connected strait to the mains and have the speed control built in for portable hand held use as that's what they ere designed for.
Also a factor of voltage and the frequency set by the router. and this is another problem that people get with there electronics (RF) interference
a lot of people do upgrade their controller and use like a switching relay to turn the router on and off
Anyway there are quite a few reasons why routers are used instead of spindles and this topic can go on for ages.
Like me lol..
Reminds me of my $150 3D printer I bought a few years ago. In the end a great way to learn CNC and modeling for next to no outlay of hard cash. If you learn the code and make slow, cheap upgrades using the machine to rebuild itself, it is better than a book to get into the game. Plus it is the coolest thing in the world to see it move for thew first time!
Great way to learn!
Very well done video on your part.
Super cool , great video
Great video to prove it works, well done
You make such a great point. If you or your kid wants to try CNC I can't see going wrong with this set up. If there is success then risk of spending $2500 on 1infinity is very small. Awesome vid idea. Thanks for making it.
Right on!
I have one (2020) for more than 9 years.
I paid $1300 at Walmart.
I don't use it every day, but I use it a lot.
First think to add: limit switches, if you don't want to damage your coupling.
last year, I installed a laser: it works great on this CNC...
i have a 3018 router/diode laser. Ive owned it for like 3 years and have never used the router part. lol. It was too loud to use in my apartment building. i only ever laserd with it. but i work at a machine shop where we have hundreds of 3,4,5 axis everything cnc. mills, routers, lasers, etc. material scraps are free and using a machine thats not in the middle of a job is free. so i kinda bought the 3018 for no reason. But its fun to see what people do with them.
little tip, if you add top of wood adhesive plastiv vinyl, before carving, then carve, and then use spray paint carved holes, and thn dry,then take off vinyl tape, etc, and have good painted all carved but noy have at woof lot paint and little sanding need only.
Pretty cool! I've been thinking about adding a cheap CNC to my kit. Do you think this could do serial numbers in aluminum lower receivers?
If you do more of these tests paint the scrap pieces a solid color so you see better contrast
Honestly the sketchiest part of that product is the USB that came with it. General rule of thumb for IT is don't plug in drives that you can't guarantee origin and what's on it.
Thanks this was very interesting
I love building anything in kit form but I already built a MPCNC! that material is POM
Yes, that is bakelite. It's basically the first type of plastic that was invented. Very good and strong.
I have a 3018 and using the stock spindle I did a bunch of things. Cutting 6 mm plywood at 800 mm/s, no problem. Cutting toy train tracks out of 12 mm thick laminate flooring, no problem (1000 mm/s using 0.4 mm depth per pass).
Now I upgraded its X axis by replacing the round linear guides with proper MGN 12 linear rails. Then I replaced the 3d printed Z axis with rigid aluminium one (80 mm Z travel) and replaced the stock spindle with the 500W spindle. Now it's a much more rigid and serious machine.
Good to know, thanks!
Bakelite... not well known these days, and probably underrated. I have a 70 year old lathe with Bakelite idler gears; they are still in great shape, and are kind to the steel gears they mesh with.
@@PiefacePete46 Thanks for sharing!
Not likely bakelite. I think that's delrin or something in that vein.
@@jothain Delrin was my first guess as well
I like your attitude. Thumbs up
5:20 Those "T-nuts" should be designed to rotate 90 degrees when tightening. This should allow you to insert them into the groove instead of sliding them in from the end.
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M03 Spindle start--forward, of clockwise rotation
M04 Spindle start--reverse, or counterclockwise rotation
M05 Spindle stop
Thanks for sharing
Good video!
I started with a 3018 Pro and it made me sceptical about upgrading to a bigger machine because I wasn't sure what the difference would be in terms of feeds and speeds. The difference is night and day. My Workbee is about 50x faster at engraving and cutting, and makes me considerably less nervous.
If you enjoy CNC after trying out a 1016 / 3018 / 4030, and you can either afford it or can make a business of it, you'll love a bigger machine and Andy's channel has information up the wazoo to help you out.
Thanks so much for your comment! These CNCs are a great starting point
@@AndyBirdBuilds is it worth it to learn on or jump to a better machine? Already have experience with lasers, 3d printers and vinyl cutters and looking to get into CNC for wood engraving. These prices at $130 are tempting and seem hard to beat.
the black plastic is delrin, the gray is injected and the lines on it are ripples from pushing it out too fast/soon from the mold.
Thanks for sharing
Well done!
Could you set the dimensions of the build plate in the software? If yes you can use the parts to build your own larger version by using the motherboard and steppermotors.
This is the 1st video I have watched for CNC due to it being so expensive. (Sorry Jay Bates love everything else you do). I have NO CLUE how to do designs or get designs from the internet to do a carving. Is there anyone who teaches this on You Tube? Do you prefer CNC over Lasers?
The G code should have an M03 in it to turn the spindle on (CW direction), and an M05 to turn it off. M04 is CCW direction. If other desktop CNC's don't turn the spindle on and off, you just need to add these commands to the post processor, or enter them into your G code manually.
@Not Expat Joe correct. You can set the S value to whatever you want to run the spindle at.
@@notexpatjoedepends, a lot of cnc's remember their last put-in spindle speed. For example, if I were to put S5000 in MDI without an M03 or M04, run a program without an S-code in it but with M03/M04 and it'll run S5000 from memory.
Excellent Video, I was eveyballin this, but definitely not up to the small project I was looking for.
Glad it was helpful!
If the CNC router uses a DeWalt/Makita/ect router for the spindle it needs an iot relay and you can turn it on and off with a m code if the controller has like a available port for spindle on/off . Then you can use m3 m5 to turn it on and off.
Hi Andy- thank you for doing this video. You said that this is a great way to learn the CNC as it is reasonable in price. I really want to learn it but who really can walk you through how to use it. Like a great tutorial for someone who has never used one before. Everybody is so fast in their speaking and instructions and this throws you off. Makes it seem so complicated. How to learn but step by step. Thank you for your help. 💖
Also do you prefer this style vs a laser style?
Hi Petra! Thank you for your comment and I understand what you mean. You may find this helpful docs.carbide3d.com/tutorials/
ua-cam.com/video/VMsCnNz6X58/v-deo.html
Thank you Andy so much. So now what about a great tutorial on the laser style. 💖💖
I build the 3018 version of this couple of years ago, got to pay attention to every detail in the diagrams . Remarkably good machine, lots of people complain about poor rigidity, but don't press it too hard, flexing isn't an issue.
Old adage, written instructions for women to follow, pictures for men !!
You commented about not knowing how long it would last.... can you give us updates periodically to let us know how much usage you are putting on it and how it's holding up? Thanks. Great video btw
A couple of years ago I bought an 3040 on GearBest. Surprisingly what you can get for this little money.
Great for doing little crafts :)
try a small end mill in it like a 1-3mm. im sure you can carve something in wood with the right settings.
i built the MPCNC as my first cnc to understand the working etc. but for someon with two left hands a 130$ cnc is worth buying and learning on it..
They're just as strong as a regular cnc made with these type of material. It was my first CNC and I made a bigger CNC off it. It sits gathering dust in my workshop already.
Send it over to me!
Desktop CNCs can pretty much all turn themselves on and off. The commands are in the gcode you just need some sort of relay. The Bitrunner from C3D is one example. It is nothing more than a relay which take the pwm 0-5v signal and turns on and off a 110v circuit.
A VFD for a spindle takes it to the next level by not only turning on and off your spindle but using the 0-5v (0-10v in some cases) signal to set your desired rpm.
Wow, thanks for explaining this so well!
yeah but if they will explain how to connect relay who is going to buy their crappy overpriced modules ? Connected relay to mine and would not run one without it, safety and convenience. Also z-offset is a glorified ground wire loop for 70 bucks. Limit switches are also a must and cost cents but are not included somehow... All in all when I started my cnc path which happened after 3d printers I was astonished how ludicrously undeveloped hobby cnc market is compared to 3d printers.
I bought a slightly larger version, It's idle too much, but it does what I want. I've actually cut a few things with it. Low feedrate, low step size and I can actually MAKE stuff.
This was pretty interesting. Do you have any recommendations for a relatively affordable cnc that you can cut things on?
I saw Cubiio CNC machine, portable and what it can do amazes me.
Haha, the 1610 instructions are for the 3018. The smaller size might make it more rigid than the 3018? Adding linear rails and metal Z axis and higher speed motor for Brass engraving?
I know it’s annoying but the free version fusion 360 has tweaks that need made in the gcode before I run an operation. M3 and M5 are your spindle on/off commands so after the Z moves up to to traverse to the starting point, M3 turns it on. And after the whole operation is complete, Z moves up and the M5, then I have to manually enter G0 X0 Y0 for my xcarve to go back to the x/y zeros. Idk if that’ll help with your shapeko
Hey there. Thanks for the video! Is there any chance this can cut through 1-2 mm metal sheets?
I bet you could safely bump up the federate of the engraving to make it a lot faster, especially when just doing a shallow engraving.
It's very cool that it works at all. Could you test using it to make a PCB? That seems like a potentially useful scenario for a machine with otherwise pretty limited utility.
You need very accurate Z workpiece probing to get that to work. Not an easy upgrade as far as I know.
@@rewolff2 The machine has it build in, you just need to connect a pin to the spindle and to the copper cladboard.
For PCBs, its hard to get small details withour breaking your bits. I'd recommend getting a similar machine with a small 5w laser. You can then use the laser to create an etching mask out of black spraypaint. There are videos about this online.
Milling a pcb. Lol
@@ironnoriboi I use a 3040 with exactly the same bits as the ones shown here for milling PCBs. Never had any trouble.
I believe that black material you were wondering about is bakelite.
What was the black glue you are using? And did you have a sanding step in between when you applyed the oil?
Seems to work better than the masuter pro I just got. Maybe i should have started with something like this cnc huh haha
Interesting little machine! I like it! Btw, that black plastic looks like POM-C, also known as Delrin. Pretty expensive material, actually. Durable, yet easy to work with and machine.
Is that related to UHMW? Don’t know my plastics but have used Ultra-high-molecular-weight plastic.
I bought one of these. Put it together. But
Never used it. Thanks now I know to hook it to my laptop and try it out. How do you get it to carve a deeper line? Is it just a setting in software? What is the best software to use with this cnc or any cnc machine?
my guess on the auto on/off is workplace safety regulation to not allow an industrial machine to have the ability tp turn itself on? pretty cool little hobby machine
Genial para aprender
Gracias por presentarlo en video
Just bought this CNC. It's awesome!
Cool!
@@AndyBirdBuilds Best way to start is start small. Literally, in this case.
LOL my brother just bought me this for Xmas too neat.
Love the build music
good production quality in your video here. About to see what else is on your channel. But you seem to put some effort into this video so you earn my Sub.
Don’t know what those other CNC machines you mentioned are but to auto turn off the spindle at the end of program you must input an “M” code (normally M5 to do this) and of course the controller must have the necessary inputs/outputs to perform this “M” code and other various Machine functions…… an industrial CNC technician
I assume the issue with the other machines mentioned is the lack of hardware interface to respond to the codes.
Try the sculpfun s9 laser cutter
Bought one myself , still somewhere in transit .
Lol just found your channel! Well done!