@@chippym8316 we were meant to secure a windmill full of flour from bandits who threatened to set it on fire. We've decided it's a great idea to set it on fire ourselves with bandits inside. We didn't check whether doors were locked. They simply fucking left the building. And then we lied to our contractor that bandits did that 💀
Lae'zel: You would rid yourself of such a valuable asset over this? Coward Gale: Wow... are all your allies subject to this kind of remorselessness? Shadowheart: I may follow the lady of loss, but even I think that's a little too far Wyll: After all we've seen, and I chose to spare her life, you would throw it away? Karlach: What the fuck mate?
Ahaha, poor Karlach! Astarion does not care if you think about killing her but he approves if you persuade Wyll into sparing Karlach xDD his midn is pure chaos
Honestly I think it makes sense because until later in the game if you help him redeem himself, he is just thinking in terms of the most efficient, expedient, selfish actions. He wants to get rid of the tadpole and that's all he cares about. So Tav asking if killing Karlach will get the more powerful Mizora off their backs, makes sense to him because you are basically (through a cruel method) asking, what will get Mizora to go away. Which is one less problem. But before Mizora appeared, it seemed like just a Wyll and Karlach issue amongst themselves. And it makes sense to spare Karlach, after all she can be a great asset to your team. This is just me trying to get into Astarion's head, not my own opinion. I love Karlach so much. Or I guess I probably could have made my point a lot shorter 😅 by saying, Astarion thinks Karlach could be useful, but then once Mizora comes around, then he is willing to sacrifice Karlach, to make life easier. (Of course he doesn't actively approve either; as from the evil pragmatic perspective it's just as easy to tell Wyll to get lost as well.)
@@welsh7858 True, but part of his story arc is (if you romance him) coming to love someone other than himself. He is a very, VERY, flawed character, but still redeemable. Which is what makes him interesting and attractive to people.
Mizora kind of debunks herself. Karlach DOES have a heart. It's an Infernal Engine, which has replaced her organic heart. But it is still a mechanical heart that serves the purpose of her original heart. Therefore, Kalrach has a heart. Mizora's clause does not state that all hearts need to be organic hearts. Or would she also exclude people who've had organ transplants?
@@MouldMadeMind I'd be fine if that was Mizora's counterargument. My point is not that Mizora is necesarily wrong, my point is that we don't get to argue Karlach's case with her.
It serves the purpose of a heart but is not a heart, depends on if heartless means "without anything serving as a heart" or "without an original, organic heart". Which I'm sure Mizora left that as open-ended as possible on purpose, as demon contract terms often are.
If Shadowheart and Lae'zel agreed in disapprove you know it's fucked up
You know it’s fucked up if Lae’zel disapproves
Lae'zel would call you a coward for refusing to just kill Mizora yourself if you want her gone so badly.
@@ayanithtalreignthat and she recognizes and respects karlach as a fellow fierce warrior, so getting rid of her is a tactical garbage fire.
Finally something Lae'zel and Shadowheart agree on.
Astarion didn't disapprove 😂
Well that guy's a dingleberry.
Oh trust me, he disapproves. He may get amusement from others misery, but even he can't get behind mistreatment of karlach
Astarion's opinion doesn't matter
@@Merlot- Golden Words, my friend XD
@@welsh7858 Especially when it comes to Karlach
please the disbelief in her voice lmfaoo
Imagine a PC legitimately pitching to kill the fresh PC who joined like a session ago
Tbh a lot of those dumb dialogue options are what 90% of time happens at the real table
@@knightofthetime I'd like to hear stories
@@chippym8316 we were meant to secure a windmill full of flour from bandits who threatened to set it on fire. We've decided it's a great idea to set it on fire ourselves with bandits inside. We didn't check whether doors were locked. They simply fucking left the building. And then we lied to our contractor that bandits did that 💀
@@knightofthetime lool
@@knightofthetime I had a good laugh just from where I'm sitting, can't imagine how it must've actually been like at the table lmao
The what at the end made it 😂
Totally appropriate reaction, THB.
And the pull back too 😂
Astarion is there to remind you, if you’re doing the wrong thing. If he doesn’t care or disapproves it must be right 😂
or they killed Asterion, or they didnt meet him.
Lae'zel: You would rid yourself of such a valuable asset over this? Coward
Gale: Wow... are all your allies subject to this kind of remorselessness?
Shadowheart: I may follow the lady of loss, but even I think that's a little too far
Wyll: After all we've seen, and I chose to spare her life, you would throw it away?
Karlach: What the fuck mate?
Meanwhile Astarion: do whatever’s easiest, darling
Ahaha, poor Karlach!
Astarion does not care if you think about killing her but he approves if you persuade Wyll into sparing Karlach xDD his midn is pure chaos
Honestly I think it makes sense because until later in the game if you help him redeem himself, he is just thinking in terms of the most efficient, expedient, selfish actions. He wants to get rid of the tadpole and that's all he cares about.
So Tav asking if killing Karlach will get the more powerful Mizora off their backs, makes sense to him because you are basically (through a cruel method) asking, what will get Mizora to go away. Which is one less problem.
But before Mizora appeared, it seemed like just a Wyll and Karlach issue amongst themselves. And it makes sense to spare Karlach, after all she can be a great asset to your team.
This is just me trying to get into Astarion's head, not my own opinion. I love Karlach so much.
Or I guess I probably could have made my point a lot shorter 😅 by saying, Astarion thinks Karlach could be useful, but then once Mizora comes around, then he is willing to sacrifice Karlach, to make life easier.
(Of course he doesn't actively approve either; as from the evil pragmatic perspective it's just as easy to tell Wyll to get lost as well.)
Everybody loves Karlach. Except Astarion apparently.
He only loves himself.
@@TheGreenReaper You know, it's refreshing to realize that there are some people who see that, not just blindly worship him.
@@welsh7858 Most people see it. Only the uber simps can't see it.
@@welsh7858 True, but part of his story arc is (if you romance him) coming to love someone other than himself. He is a very, VERY, flawed character, but still redeemable. Which is what makes him interesting and attractive to people.
Karlach is an annoying spaz with a zoomer haircut. She's objectively the worst party member.
Mizora kind of debunks herself.
Karlach DOES have a heart. It's an Infernal Engine, which has replaced her organic heart. But it is still a mechanical heart that serves the purpose of her original heart. Therefore, Kalrach has a heart.
Mizora's clause does not state that all hearts need to be organic hearts. Or would she also exclude people who've had organ transplants?
Organ tranplants are organic and "as a hearth" doesn't mean a hearth.
@@MouldMadeMind I'd be fine if that was Mizora's counterargument. My point is not that Mizora is necesarily wrong, my point is that we don't get to argue Karlach's case with her.
@@MouldMadeMind a prosthetic heart is a heart nonetheless
It serves the purpose of a heart but is not a heart, depends on if heartless means "without anything serving as a heart" or "without an original, organic heart". Which I'm sure Mizora left that as open-ended as possible on purpose, as demon contract terms often are.
@@masterblaster2678 exactly. If you tried to argue with her, she could hit you with the semantics just to mess with you.
It'd been great!
EVERYONE DISLIKED THAT
conversely if you say "you better not lay a damned finger on Karlach" even Lae'Zel approves
And on the other side if you threaten her everybody approves
Astarion must be missing from the party
Everyone can agree that they love Karlach, that's when you know you picked the wrong decision lol
I thought this was going to be volo plucking out your eye.
Casted: INDIGNATION!
Poor Karlach, she didn't deserve this 😔😭
oh come on Astarion back me up
Aw come on guys it was just a question.
HWAT?
**Including your comment section, you monster!!**
I DISSAPPROVE!
Zoomer cringe companions