F150 FORD LIGHTNING, WHY DOES THIS EXIST
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
- The Ford F150 Lighting is being converted to right hand drive and released to the Australian market. Do we need a near 3 tonne electric vehicle, will it be good at being anything other than a massive town car, is it cheaper to own and run, or does none of this matter. Will the mining sector and big industries buy them as a way of off setting their carbon footprint, as the government enforces carbon emission standards. Let's have a look at the numbers.
Good to have a healthy discussion on all the new technology and I think maybe only time will tell.
That crazy money.
I paid $40k for my lightning with $7500 rebate. That thing is insane daily driver. i live at the beach and have taken it skiing in the mountains with no problem.
With 350kw fast chargers it make fast charging easy and fast. Its maxes out for 15 mins so it makes way more sense to just stop every few hours and charge for 15 mins. You want better charging speed over range imo. My power cost $.05 /kw and get around 3 miles per kw.
I want some Australian sheep seat covers for it. Any tips?
Hi Chris thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
I think I pretty much stated exactly what you said in your comment, the price of the equivalent petrol version f150 is around $105000 as we have friends that have one, I also would like to see greener alternatives and think there is a space For electric. Just not something like the f150 yet. As for solar panels on your house charging the car for free, I’m sorry mate but unless you have a solar farm the average 6kw system that most have doesn’t even cover the power usage of the standard 4 person family home, not to mention the car won’t generally be home until night timeI. I know first hand this one. I really did try to state the facts with this one and gave my opinion at the end.
Is a standard 4 person family the market for these vehicles? Anyway, you are right about the car not being home until the night for certain circumstances, but in those situations, there's often quite reasonable off-peak charges available to do the refill (which will still be cheaper per 100km than ICE equivalent). For those that can tap into the solar directly for charging, it's not as much of an issue (I know, because I do that now for my EV).
If the ICE F150 is $105000 (when was this purchased?), that makes a gap of about $120000?, so 20 years using the Ausev figures (and no solar). If it jumps the higher Lightning spec figure, that's about $160000, so about 25 years. Way under what you showed. Is the payback period too high? Yes, but there's often a penalty to being an early adopter. And these figures do not include: increasing fuel costs, whatever is going to happen to electricity costs (it could go either way for cost depending on how stupid our politicians and special interests mess things up), the use of home solar, the unpaid for environmental costs of ICE, the health costs of using ICE, or any changes to the massive subsidisation for the fossil fuel industry (latest figures for Australia put it at around $18K per MINUTE).
Yeah I worked it out at around 12000km a year. 105000 + 150000 is 255000 which is in the middle of the low and high spec. Again I agree with what you are saying mostly, but making the batteries in the first place then disposing of them when people are finished with them and so on and so forth. What I really want out of these videos is for people to ask questions and get the correct answers. Even the fact that they are more expensive to start means we consume more by working more to pay for them and so on and so forth there is so much to think about as for the entire lifecycle of building a vehicle and then it being used and then it being recycled and how much energy goes into the entire process, there is also the fact that if a fire breaks out your local fire regarded in a small town are not equiped to probably handle that yet. Again my opinion is we are rushing into this hoping it’s greener but not really knowing for sure.
@@ChrisRyan_Oz youd need a power cable about 200mm in diameter to carry the current and then get a $10k a quarter power bill you goose, youve been belted with the woke stick
Explore life’s vid showed $30 for 150km with a 40min charge time at a BP fast charger. 😮
Yeah varies a lot hey.
EVs should be small cars for city use
And transfer fees as well
Great discussion 👍🏻
Shows the irrational landscape around EV’s that you were forced to clarify your position on green tech several times.
Miss the good old days when debates were heated but civil.
Good discussion topic. I think we’re having the wool pulled over our eyes They cannot be environmentally friendly (yet) and certainly not practical. As you described Adam, a town running car that is efficient & practical for purpose and can home charged ........ maybe if the life span is there and the output (Gases) from manufacturing are significantly reduced.
The stupid thing is Ford has discontinued the lightning. Good luck getting parts
I thought that too, but I think its all back on.
Sorry just checked with Ford , all 2024 lightnings have been stopped being manufactured due to issues regarding quality and significant battery issues. Feel free to check it out my friend.
@@66pheonixpatrick76 you have bad sources. No stop sale in the states. Ford just released 24 model years this week.
Ford will never stop making f150. It is the number one truck. Lightning is out selling the cyber truck 2:1.
I think you need to do some more research on the capabilities of EVs and this vehicle. Try looking at the F150 lightning forums for actual owner usages to see what's being done with them - they're proving to be capable at doing pick up truck related things, including towing and some off-roading - don't look at the you-tubers pushing out clickbait (perhaps like this video and I've fallen for it...). If people can do the lap of Australia using a Tesla towing a caravan, then you'll be able to do it using the Lightning and a larger caravan. Can you do it at break-neck speed? Not really. Can you go extreme remote? Probably not. However, there is a segment of traveller that doesn't need or want to drive 1000 kms a day when touring. The charging infrastructure DOES need improvement and it's slowly happening, but remember when ICE vehicles first appeared, there were no service stations everywhere either.
As for charging, most of the use cases you mentioned in the video can be handled by home charging. It's likely the EV owner has solar as well, which makes the cost of "refilling" near zero (whatever you miss out on the dwindling FIT amounts available these days). The only time public infrastructure is really needed is for the long distance trips and if you're not trying to break landspeed records then you're mostly going to be ok. As mentioned before, there's room for improvement, but it's not impossible to manage.
The cost in Australia is definitely high (boosted by the insult of having the LCT that's suppose to be to help the now non-existent Oz car industry), and the need for the RHD conversion, but RHD conversions of other large US vehicles are quite high as well - low volume sucks. Depreciation is probably going to be an issue, but the effective lifetime of the vehicle can be much higher than ICE. There's an example of a Lightning that's done 94000 miles (700 charges) and still has battery health at 97%.
When it comes to the environmental impact of EVs vs ICE, don't buy into the FUD out there. EVs are better than ICE. Right now they have a higher production cost (gap is slowly closing), but the lifetime costs quickly make EVs cheaper. Check out the various bits of research on this that's out there now. Some EVs take less than a year to break even with ICE. In the Lightning's case (for Oz), it's going to take a lot longer to make up the difference for its equivalent ICE (not sure what the price of a similar spec RHD converted F150 is), but I suspect it's much less than the figure you quoted.
Finally, there are a number of us that actually do care about the environment and would love to breathe air without all the fumes and pollutants from the ICE vehicles. And to be able to hear the sounds of nature as we drive.
try towing one to bourke you goose
I’m with you on this one
It’s just a whole lot of virtue signalling
Wait, what? Didn't ford just discontinue the Lightning? IIRC Zero Automotive converts LC79 to electric for the mining sector, already. I'm not sure what this company's upto.
Yes I thought so to. But latest reports are it’s back going again.
they will only get orders for about 5 of these woke shitboxes