That's like saying this guy is taller than you so he's better at basketball. Hopefully you know better than that. If it was in jest though, that's a pretty funny comment.
Yes he did and I fully agree with that. RDLs done out of a rack, amazing. Contributor to the packing of thickness and mass on my back since March. Nearing 500lbs mark with no intention of stopping this exercise grew fond of me and it's definitely a Top 1 exercise in my books.
PSA to all human beings: Deadlifts build big lats BECAUSE if you’ve ever squeezed your lats while deadlifting you’ll realize the deadlift is the only exercise you can load that much tension on the lats with. That’s what makes them grow. Your lats holding hundreds of pounds for reps rather than little pull ups or pulldowns or whatever you can row. Similarly, Deadlifts build big traps because, unless you’re doing shrugs with similar weight or more reps, deadlifts are the only movement where you’re putting that degree of load on the trap muscles. It doesn’t matter if they activate it 2% on EMG data, it’s getting hit with hundreds of pounds of tension for that 2%. Thank you. Edit: Also, the lats (and traps) are in an extremely stretched position during a deadlift, which are conditions conducive to extreme muscle growth when tension and time under tension are added 👍🏽💪🏽🙏🏽💯
@@shades4313 Exactly, that lat pump you feel after DLs is their activation. Try literally squeezing them before you begin your rep and during the entire rep on your sets and see them get even stronger and your deadlifts get stronger. Do it right now with no weight. Squeeze then unsqueeze your lats. That difference is the difference between an exercise targeting your lats on purpose vs targeting them secondarily for biomechanical purposes. I could deadlift right now with my lats squeeze before I start or not flex my lats at all. Big difference
Hey Sam, long time viewer here/comment shitposter. Really enjoyed with this style of video quick snappy and genuinely proposed some not so addressed points on the topic of deadlifts for hypertrophy. Much more than just another "deadlift sfr bad" video. I can also see this being beneficial for bringing in new viewers as it's far more digestible to viewers that may not know you or your channel history and thus have less buy in. Anyway just wanted to drop some honest feedback as I understand it's hard to get on UA-cam, have a good day bro
@ShetharTraining totally understand, deciding direction is hard as a creator, I will try to leave more feedback when I have the time, your channel is very helpful resource. Fucking love your specific brand of hypertrophy-centric strength training. Definitely some gold here. Keep going brother.
love it! It is a lil hard to keep up with [ i imagine] if one were lacking in personal experience, to reference some of the differences/distinctions herein, against. [Which, is most readily the case out here] But the above is WHY i love it. This isn't - to further invoke the name of Stick - paralysis by analysis. If one has some scaffolding/trial-based-experience on their ribs - it...sticks. Good info. Excellent insight. Valuable distinctions tendered and rendered. On to the next vid....
Honestly it would be really cool if you would make a video about different deadlifting styles and their potential for muscle growth for different bodyparts.. like Conventional, RDL, Sumo, Trap bar, Rack pulls, Snatch grip, Stiff legged etc. Also how they can differ in rep ranges and impact muscle growth as well.
Leverages and history play such a big role here. I did loads of rowing (crew) in late high-school/early college, and my endurance in the hinge position is relatively endless from the hours upon hours of erg work and rows. I am also 6'2 with super long levers. Posterior chain work was a given, and I had learned to put in both massive work capacity, as well as power output in the context of sprinting on the erg. Deadlifts were easily one of the first exercises that helped me elicit massive amounts of posterior chain hypertrophy, with easy learning and recovery. 500lb conventional within my first year of lifting (probably my best "youth PR" of my career) was seasoned with lots of general deadlifting volume. I vaguely remember a topset of 405x20 RDLs when I was a few years into hypertrophy. My friends had exact opposite experiences, likely due to general differences in positional experience. Even my "stronger" friends lacked the capacity to train the deadlifts to the same extent I have been able to (and that also applies to barbell rows for that matter - I hit 315 Rows wayyy before I ever hit 315 bench press)
I actually rate deficit stiff leg deadlifts very highly for the thoracic and lumbar lat fibers. Supposedly the upper outer lats receive high stimulus at 90 degrees or less of shoulder flexion according to some interpretations of physiology. Combined with a really narrow grip that causes the arms to converge, it starts being as much of an optimal back exercise as a hamstring exercise. I wouldn't discount something like this being possible on a Dorian deadlift or a very distinct deficit deadlift, but on stiff leg it is the most intuitive.
Yeah I actually rate RDLs or SLDLs with a reach at the bottom the way Ed Coan did for lats, I was kind of kicking myself in editing for not mentioning that as a side note when I said conventional deads we're not my favorite for lats
I believe helms and/or trexler have discussed research indicating that deadlifts don't provide any significant hypertrophy. Alot of BBs that I watch say that they like to do deadlifts to help bring "maturity" to the muscle they already have, whatever that means.
Standing rope crunches, jock mode or not? Something I am experimenting with because KK did them and he was jacked. Still kinda figuring out how to best do them so any tips and tricks would be appreciated!
@@user-sx2rn5sl3m woah woah woah thats too unstable i think he should make sure he is seated and the machine offers a seat belt and also hes submerged in a salt water bath to elimate axial fatigue and also he shoulf keep 20 RIR on his 21 rep max.
I am built to squat (short legs) and dont recover well from lots of deadlifting volume. How do I prioritize deadlifting without nuking everything else ?
So just a few things off the top of my head: either using a decreased number of sets or decreased average difficulty of sets/RPE compared to your lankier counterparts, filling in that volume that is lost with accessories that are a bit easier to recover from (Alexander Bromley has a lot of stuff on what motions are useful for this, such as his love for RDLs as a very squatty man). The use of block pulls from reasonable heights to spare a bit of low back fatigue is common among guys with worse leverage (freakied i think has a vid on this and Chad Wesley Smith). Additional focus on erector, upper back, and mid section work to stabilize that longer lever arm.
SFR? Sounds like a bunch of advanced lifter baloney to me! *Pulls 5 sets of stiff leg deadlifts to failure* Just be weak and then you don't have to worry .
@@ShetharTraining would you say that weight is more important than strength in a fight, since you are much stronger than him. Or is it moreso his advantage of skill (i do not know how skillful you are with boxing compared to him with wrestling)
All this SFR talk is part of why I think GVS has managed to get so large. He can hammer a ridiculous amount of volume and intensity without having to worry about the absolute load being a huge independent stressor on most of his lifts. Being huge and “weak” is an advantage for him imo
Hard disagree, deadlifts are the best back exercise, getting stronger at it increases your strength on almost all pulling movements. Your rows will go up, shrugs, back extensions, lat pull downs, chin ups etc… if you’re talking about sumo sure
yeah but Eric Bugenhagen says that they're really good and he dwarfs you
🅱️ased.
absolutely rip
🐴 🐔
That's like saying this guy is taller than you so he's better at basketball. Hopefully you know better than that. If it was in jest though, that's a pretty funny comment.
Pretty sure even Boogz himself has said that RDLs are superior than conventional deadlifts for hypertrophy.
Yes he did and I fully agree with that. RDLs done out of a rack, amazing. Contributor to the packing of thickness and mass on my back since March. Nearing 500lbs mark with no intention of stopping this exercise grew fond of me and it's definitely a Top 1 exercise in my books.
PSA to all human beings: Deadlifts build big lats BECAUSE if you’ve ever squeezed your lats while deadlifting you’ll realize the deadlift is the only exercise you can load that much tension on the lats with. That’s what makes them grow. Your lats holding hundreds of pounds for reps rather than little pull ups or pulldowns or whatever you can row.
Similarly, Deadlifts build big traps because, unless you’re doing shrugs with similar weight or more reps, deadlifts are the only movement where you’re putting that degree of load on the trap muscles. It doesn’t matter if they activate it 2% on EMG data, it’s getting hit with hundreds of pounds of tension for that 2%. Thank you.
Edit: Also, the lats (and traps) are in an extremely stretched position during a deadlift, which are conditions conducive to extreme muscle growth when tension and time under tension are added 👍🏽💪🏽🙏🏽💯
I will say whenever I do RDLs my lats get sore everytime. Whether that means anything is another question but
@@shades4313 Exactly, that lat pump you feel after DLs is their activation. Try literally squeezing them before you begin your rep and during the entire rep on your sets and see them get even stronger and your deadlifts get stronger. Do it right now with no weight. Squeeze then unsqueeze your lats. That difference is the difference between an exercise targeting your lats on purpose vs targeting them secondarily for biomechanical purposes. I could deadlift right now with my lats squeeze before I start or not flex my lats at all. Big difference
right on!
Perfect video to watch while I eat my eggs and oatmeal before bed, tomorrow morning is deadlifts.
Hey Sam, long time viewer here/comment shitposter. Really enjoyed with this style of video quick snappy and genuinely proposed some not so addressed points on the topic of deadlifts for hypertrophy. Much more than just another "deadlift sfr bad" video. I can also see this being beneficial for bringing in new viewers as it's far more digestible to viewers that may not know you or your channel history and thus have less buy in. Anyway just wanted to drop some honest feedback as I understand it's hard to get on UA-cam, have a good day bro
Thank you man genuinely very helpful, I really am not so good at being able to imagine the perspective of people seeing the channel for the first time
@ShetharTraining totally understand, deciding direction is hard as a creator, I will try to leave more feedback when I have the time, your channel is very helpful resource. Fucking love your specific brand of hypertrophy-centric strength training. Definitely some gold here. Keep going brother.
I love that thumbnail.
love it!
It is a lil hard to keep up with [ i imagine] if one were lacking in personal experience, to reference some of the differences/distinctions herein, against. [Which, is most readily the case out here]
But the above is WHY i love it. This isn't - to further invoke the name of Stick - paralysis by analysis. If one has some scaffolding/trial-based-experience on their ribs - it...sticks.
Good info. Excellent insight. Valuable distinctions tendered and rendered. On to the next vid....
Love these videos man
Honestly it would be really cool if you would make a video about different deadlifting styles and their potential for muscle growth for different bodyparts.. like Conventional, RDL, Sumo, Trap bar, Rack pulls, Snatch grip, Stiff legged etc. Also how they can differ in rep ranges and impact muscle growth as well.
Leverages and history play such a big role here. I did loads of rowing (crew) in late high-school/early college, and my endurance in the hinge position is relatively endless from the hours upon hours of erg work and rows. I am also 6'2 with super long levers. Posterior chain work was a given, and I had learned to put in both massive work capacity, as well as power output in the context of sprinting on the erg.
Deadlifts were easily one of the first exercises that helped me elicit massive amounts of posterior chain hypertrophy, with easy learning and recovery. 500lb conventional within my first year of lifting (probably my best "youth PR" of my career) was seasoned with lots of general deadlifting volume. I vaguely remember a topset of 405x20 RDLs when I was a few years into hypertrophy.
My friends had exact opposite experiences, likely due to general differences in positional experience. Even my "stronger" friends lacked the capacity to train the deadlifts to the same extent I have been able to (and that also applies to barbell rows for that matter - I hit 315 Rows wayyy before I ever hit 315 bench press)
8:35 and forward is imo the best way to put it. Not optimal≠useless, but if there is only one goal the more “optimal” becomes important
Of course we like it, you're just speaking your mind. Cheers
Really liked this one, thanks Sam
I actually rate deficit stiff leg deadlifts very highly for the thoracic and lumbar lat fibers. Supposedly the upper outer lats receive high stimulus at 90 degrees or less of shoulder flexion according to some interpretations of physiology. Combined with a really narrow grip that causes the arms to converge, it starts being as much of an optimal back exercise as a hamstring exercise. I wouldn't discount something like this being possible on a Dorian deadlift or a very distinct deficit deadlift, but on stiff leg it is the most intuitive.
Yeah I actually rate RDLs or SLDLs with a reach at the bottom the way Ed Coan did for lats, I was kind of kicking myself in editing for not mentioning that as a side note when I said conventional deads we're not my favorite for lats
I believe helms and/or trexler have discussed research indicating that deadlifts don't provide any significant hypertrophy. Alot of BBs that I watch say that they like to do deadlifts to help bring "maturity" to the muscle they already have, whatever that means.
What’s your opinion on 5x5 and 3x5s for bodybuilding and then 6 to 12 on accessories
Standing rope crunches, jock mode or not? Something I am experimenting with because KK did them and he was jacked.
Still kinda figuring out how to best do them so any tips and tricks would be appreciated!
Doing BTB deadlifts tomorrow cos I wanna be big like Bugez.
excellent stretch in the upper and mid back
i think you would benefit more from a single arm cross body cable lat pull-around, better stretch.
@@user-sx2rn5sl3m woah woah woah thats too unstable i think he should make sure he is seated and the machine offers a seat belt and also hes submerged in a salt water bath to elimate axial fatigue and also he shoulf keep 20 RIR on his 21 rep max.
I am built to squat (short legs) and dont recover well from lots of deadlifting volume. How do I prioritize deadlifting without nuking everything else ?
you should deadlift with less volume
So just a few things off the top of my head: either using a decreased number of sets or decreased average difficulty of sets/RPE compared to your lankier counterparts, filling in that volume that is lost with accessories that are a bit easier to recover from (Alexander Bromley has a lot of stuff on what motions are useful for this, such as his love for RDLs as a very squatty man). The use of block pulls from reasonable heights to spare a bit of low back fatigue is common among guys with worse leverage (freakied i think has a vid on this and Chad Wesley Smith). Additional focus on erector, upper back, and mid section work to stabilize that longer lever arm.
@@ShetharTraining super helpful man I love your stuff. Keep making great content!
it sucks that we cant have the same strength for every body part
@@ShetharTraining Wow! You have quite the comprehensive prowess, sir!
Like a barbarian and a librarian!
Brute nerd - recognize brute nerd!
Helpful video
Yanking deadlifts off the ground for erectors>
Awesome video
Watching this as I eat lunch
Sam is cranking out content like crazy
I am happy
I like heavy deadlifts its just primal F ifs its not optimal
good video
SFR? Sounds like a bunch of advanced lifter baloney to me! *Pulls 5 sets of stiff leg deadlifts to failure* Just be weak and then you don't have to worry .
If you can dodge a wrench (conventional deadlift), you can dodge a ball (Romanian deadlift)
deadlifts also build a big ballsack.
do you think you could beat bugez in a fight
absolutely not haha, the dude is a 300lb former D1 wrestler he would most certainly kick my ass
@@ShetharTraining would you say that weight is more important than strength in a fight, since you are much stronger than him. Or is it moreso his advantage of skill (i do not know how skillful you are with boxing compared to him with wrestling)
@@983fjiwd32fA wrestler beats a striker 8/10 times.
Just threw deads back into the program for funsies
All this SFR talk is part of why I think GVS has managed to get so large. He can hammer a ridiculous amount of volume and intensity without having to worry about the absolute load being a huge independent stressor on most of his lifts.
Being huge and “weak” is an advantage for him imo
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Hard disagree, deadlifts are the best back exercise, getting stronger at it increases your strength on almost all pulling movements. Your rows will go up, shrugs, back extensions, lat pull downs, chin ups etc… if you’re talking about sumo sure
Algo
Bugez is a phony. Avenge me Mr. Shethar
He's a phony if phony means legit hard working diligent rockstar and 3 quarters.
Troll: fail.
Self out: success.
Can attest- I ignored squatting for a long time and only did conventional deadlifts. Got pillar erectors and noodle legs 🥲