AI in Dungeons and Dragons... Confirmed?

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  • @aaronbrown5776
    @aaronbrown5776 3 місяці тому +1

    Years ago when computer RPGs felt new and original I said to my friend (who is most often the DM), "I think this is the end of pen and paper..." (as we used to call it back then) He disagreed. Over 25 years later I'll let you figure out who was right and who was wrong. I think AI will deliver some cool bells and whistles we'll embrace, but I think the core of the hobby will remain the same. Because as my friend theorized all those years ago, "There is just something about pen and paper a computer just can't replace..."

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      @@aaronbrown5776 I agree 100%. I will always prefer pen and paper. Besides, in person is easier to share snacks too.

  • @JeffWittyArt
    @JeffWittyArt 3 місяці тому +11

    I liked this video - but dislike when Ai is used to steal away human creativity. Ai has great uses - but as a shortcut to profits by eliminating creators - isn’t the way.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      are there instances in which the use of AI _could_ be justified?

    • @fisch37
      @fisch37 3 місяці тому +1

      @@gamemasters As assistants, I'd say. We use AI in programming already. Saves soo much time.
      Storytelling is very different from programming though, so it might be a little more difficult to use

    • @JeffWittyArt
      @JeffWittyArt 3 місяці тому

      @@gamemasters apartently medical researchers are able to use it to comb data faster and develop more effective medicines.

  • @shay212
    @shay212 3 місяці тому

    I don’t know how to fully explain it, but the way you talked with about this, left me with a feeling of hope and even optimism for dnd, Ttrpgs in general and even art in general. Thank you. I’ve really been enjoying your videos and I’m gonna send this one to my gaming group too. ^_^

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      hope and optimism in what way?

    • @shay212
      @shay212 3 місяці тому

      @@gamemasters I think the reason I felt so hopeful at the end was because a lot of times I’ve seen AI taking over creative endeavors touted as inevitable so everyone should just get used to it and eventually it’ll be better than a human anyway so everyone is going to prefer that and if you don’t, you’ll get left behind. And that just makes me sad. It’s only been in the past few years I’ve gotten to play (I’m even gonna try DMing this weekend!) and I think that plays a part in it too. I heard about how fun and creative it was but it’s like as soon as I get to play, it often feels like I’m being told to leave the creativity to a machine because it’s better than a human anyway. So your video made me feel optimistic because it pointed out what human creativity still brings to the game table. And that as much as AI is hyped up, that doesn’t mean it’s always the best or that if you don’t use it people won’t want to play with you.
      I hope that made sense. I’m not sure if I explained myself well, but yeah. ^^

  • @HPCthulhu2011
    @HPCthulhu2011 2 місяці тому

    One More: So if a higher level query language is understood by the program because it only applies to the domain of d&d than the actions that you take can be recorded by an AI object which than might be able to make predictions or guesses which than actually is AI instead of interpretation. It needs information to work with. Basically there is distributed systems now like the cloud that allows storing and accessing files global in scope. So a solution is probably is lighter.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  2 місяці тому

      it's possible. something I mentioned just a moment ago in another comment to you, I think if they plug the entire history of FR into this, they really could do a lot of cross referencing and lore examination.

    • @HPCthulhu2011
      @HPCthulhu2011 2 місяці тому

      @gamemasters The biggest advance of all would maybe involve something like logging a played game and then being able to study the moves kind of like a chess game database. Players should fully be able to understand all of the rules and see examples and in this way the rules can possibly expand but not leave people behind.

  • @HPCthulhu2011
    @HPCthulhu2011 2 місяці тому

    AI for a better word could be useful for example if it can interpret a querying language that searches for data records in a d&d database. You can than ask for something from multiple source books and get the information quickly. I mean I think that a more complicated rule set like Pathfinder could use this way more. Even just examples of rules that are played out visually.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  2 місяці тому

      it is my understanding that that is how WotC will make use of it. Also to use it as a lore search and reference (this character crossed paths with this one, etc).

  • @CaptainMug
    @CaptainMug 3 місяці тому

    I have a running D&D campaign with 5 characters, a huge story arch, villains, recurring NPC's, fully flushed out towns, a governing system and 3 interchangeable currencies (one of which are gems) within chatGPT. It is playing as the dungeon master, asks me for rolls (which I randomly generate) and progresses the story.
    Although it sometimes needs a little push (i.e. a "remember that X did X" or "X exists") it works flawlessly when set up with the right rules and boundaries.
    It even adapts the story when I riff or roleplay anything into the story but then again says when things are not possible. Saying "I find 100000 diamonds on the floor" is not possible as it clearly states that such a thing does not happen and that I must be joking.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      This is something that I talk about here : ua-cam.com/video/Xy4p4bW5HXo/v-deo.html
      heh which is a follow up to my take on why AI DMs are NOT a good thing here : ua-cam.com/video/1qB0lI_0DRw/v-deo.htmlsi=tLB-ilcmX9yUIQPh
      I'm on the fence. I have a foot firmly planted in both..

  • @robertgray821
    @robertgray821 3 місяці тому +1

    I hate to say it... but...
    AI storytelling is sorta meh... maybe 3/10 - 4/10. They are a bit below average...
    Meanwhile WotC's plotlines have been 2/10 -3/10 just because literally none of their writers have any talent.
    So my question is this @GameMasters ....
    Where WotC has no talent...
    And seems incapable of hiring people with talent....
    Would AI actually produce a more lower quality product?
    As much as I hate to say it... isn't the chance of Mediocrity with AI better than the inevitable garbage which is the pinnacle of what WotC writers and artists are able to produce?
    The artists and writers and other 'creatives' at WotC add no value and have done all manner of damage to the brand. I'm at a point with WotC where I think not switching to AI to do things would be a gross breach of fiduciary responsibility. Literally just train an AI to run the company... it probably couldn't do any worse!

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      LOL Ironically, in another comment we decided that Chris Cocks should be replaced with an AI overlord.. I asked ChatGPT about it, this was the reply:
      "An AI-driven CEO could potentially outperform Cocks by making faster, data-driven decisions across Hasbro’s diverse product lines. AI could more effectively analyze market trends, forecast consumer demands, and streamline operations globally without the biases or limitations of human intuition. Furthermore, AI could tailor product offerings and marketing campaigns with precision, enhancing personalization while optimizing cost efficiency, something that requires substantial effort from human executives​"

  • @andrewfraser5562
    @andrewfraser5562 3 місяці тому +1

    The bigger problem with AI is model failure. Most of the AI tools have been rushed onto market without fixing this issue. Simply enough, Machine scrapes content, machine learns how to make content, machine posts content, machine scrapes content. All AI models are susceptible to drinking their own pee, so to speak. As the machine learns it makes more and more glaring mistakes. The system breaks down. This is more of a financial risk to companies than to creativity. Hasbro will waste money on this venture. Meanwhile we’re humans. We’re the tiny monkeys that survived the ice age and the centuries without flossing. We can still write our own adventures, we can still create our own RPG’s. Our real problem is the over dependance of corporate “creativity”. Don’t like a rule? You are the DM. Come up with a better one. Don’t like a term? Use a term you are more comfortable with. Honestly all we need to play D&D is a HPB, DMG, and MM. AND YOUR IMAGINATION. And some dice, dice are good.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому +1

      LOLOLOLOL I LOVE the "All AI models are susceptible to drinking their own pee"! That describes it perfectly.
      It honestly kindav scares me in regards to the potential mistakes that _can_ happen. I keep seeing a commercial play on tv that advertises that Company X (I don't recall the specific company that the commercial adverts for) uses AI to code complex software... but... what happens when that code is in error? Not that a human is infallible either, but if left to automation.. well.. as you point out, it's gonna end up replicating it's own mistakes not knowing that there is an error.
      That, above all else, is what concerns me.

    • @tntori5079
      @tntori5079 3 місяці тому

      When I see "dice. Dice are good" I see it in that scene from animated Hercules where Pain and Panic tell themselves "if he finds out." "If. . . If is good" . . . .=)

  • @michaelmurtaugh370
    @michaelmurtaugh370 3 місяці тому

    Thank you 🙏 for the comedic take on the dark science fiction of the past that is the present. Keep rocking and rolling and keep rolling 20🐉🐉🐉🐉🐉

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      heh, I had to do a funny take on it. I'm really on the fence, as mentioned, I don't see AI going away regardless of how tight a fist is clenched. A LOT of ai made things I flat out do not agree with. Along with that comes the 'disregarding' practice of corporations to use it instead of actual people putting pen/pencil to paper. And woe to the company that uses it to generate code.. I mean... that's a lot of iffy trust that one is putting into something..

  • @xero989
    @xero989 3 місяці тому

    I can see AI to generate prompts when prepping or world building I generally just use random tables, but to replace game masters and write campaigns seems a bridge to far and that seems to be the bridge WotC wants to cross.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      I can see it's use in certain extents. What I wouldn't like would be if they create a book and do not divulge what parts were AI created. Be up front about it, be specific about it, that's what I'd like to see.

  • @garethhamilton1252
    @garethhamilton1252 3 місяці тому

    AI will take off in the hobby only if enough people want it. Those of us still like to interact with real people will still be able to. I’m not concerned by Chris Cocks’s comments in that respect.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      I think that some people will dabble with it, I have, but I've ultimately gone back to my own mind and past examples and situations for inspiration. Can AI work? I think it can (and I'm not just talking within our hobby - but to things outside of it). Are people going to forever be opposed to it? Sure, we still have entire societies today that refuse to operate any form of technology, and there is nothing at all wrong with that.

  • @dimanarinull9122
    @dimanarinull9122 3 місяці тому

    to be honest about AI: if you are a good writer, AI is a nice tool that you should use to bounce ideas off of and expand on normally tedious 1 time characters like that random tavern keep in the 7th town of a campaign.
    instead of wasting time away from the meat of the story by coming up with nonsense details to questions you will eventually tackle anyways, use AI to make those into mediocre but detailed scenes.
    this will let you come up with random tie ins to other sub-plots or just speed up the back-world creation process.
    also, it's not like anything the AI says when you do use it will actually end up in the story, so you can just overwrite it with better ideas when you get them.
    really the slop starts when talentless hacks use AI to cover for the fact they can't write - same thing that happens with AI in Art and programming, almost like there's a common problem there that isn't really related to the AI.
    also, for a DM, using an AI come up with random side plot ideas on the spot can help people who are a bit weaker at improv without resorting to handrailing the campaign as much.
    as I said, TOOL, not replacement. like spellchecker alleviating a lot of editorial work, and digital drawing... well... completely overhauling the art industry.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      good view of it. I think part of my concern, which I boil down there towards the end, who decides what 'responsible' use is? I feel that _IF_ a company is going to use AI, they need to have a policy in place that details specifically how it will be used and how it will _not_ be used. There must be something in place to base the practice off of. There is nothing to prevent said company from altering that but being transparent about it on the front end goes a looong way. This goes for any company out there, not just Hasbo.

  • @tntori5079
    @tntori5079 3 місяці тому

    Me and my partner get into fights over AI. I hate it. He defends it / says it is a tool that helps average ppl do things they could otherwise not do. I say it brings down creatives and makes their work more meaningless. He says that it removes barriers to entry and gives options to those who can't afford commissioning art because artists over charge amd make it "impossible" for average ppl to get pieces.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому +1

      I'm on the fence about it. I feel it's a good tool, and I use it for thumbnails and quick popups in my videos, which I think most folks are okay enough with. The issue is, that's not what most companies are going to use it for, they are using it to out and out turn a profit.. _that_ is what I have issue with.

  • @Prep4SurvivingMe
    @Prep4SurvivingMe 3 місяці тому

    Bump! Look into Shadow Dark!! lots of room for imagination there 😉

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      I know.. I know... it's on my list! I just need some extra time to jump into it.

  • @RIVERSRPGChannel
    @RIVERSRPGChannel 3 місяці тому

    Ya who didn’t see this coming from WotC.
    I’m not surprised by the news. Sounds like WotC executives are out of touch with their customers again. At least I don’t have to worry I am already boycotting WotC.
    Have a good game

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      This will eventually hit other game systems as well. We can boycott WotC, but that only works if we also boycott the next company to use it. It's some really slick terrain because at a certain point, where does one draw the line because other industries are also making use of AI.

  • @avalsnep9910
    @avalsnep9910 3 місяці тому

    They’re not gonna use it responsibly. They’re gonna replace all of their artists with ai and we’re not gonna get any hand made source books/magic cards till wotc loses enough stock to panic

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      and with their stock having gone up an average of $3.80 over the past year, it's not likely that panic will happen any time soon.

    • @avalsnep9910
      @avalsnep9910 3 місяці тому

      @@gamemasters not yet… hopefully lack of sales will drive it down enough. Me personally I’m not buying another source book till they get their shit together

  • @IcarusOOT
    @IcarusOOT 3 місяці тому

    Boy howdy, can't wait to have to fight the many handed monstrosity of a human in new york where its ruled by a dragon the size of the moon

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      that's easy, you see that one from at least a mile away.. it's the tiny little army of machine ants that I worry about.

  • @Kazemahou
    @Kazemahou 3 місяці тому

    Is AI the future? Well, you can get every bit of the product - text, rules, lore, tables, drawings, cover art, interior art, and even animated, musical videos for promotion by hiring one or two low-wage prompt jockeys instead of a full staff of thirty to a hundred well-paid professionals. I literally cannot see how this would be something a ruthlessly profit-oriented capitalist corporation would want to do. It would just end up being akin to printing money for almost free, and who would ever want that?

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      @@Kazemahou I hold the same opinion about sites like canva. Why hire a graphic designer who knows color theory, the psychology of color, has years of layout design experience, etc., when you can pay $30 a month and do it yourself. But, it's a thriving site.

  • @mister_r447
    @mister_r447 3 місяці тому

    An AI DM would be very convenient.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      it.. could be... this was my take on it about a year and a half ago, I'm still of the same view : ua-cam.com/video/Xy4p4bW5HXo/v-deo.html

  • @bigH101
    @bigH101 3 місяці тому

    I love my AI overlords. ❤

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      lol skynet appreciates you!

  • @saraphys5555
    @saraphys5555 3 місяці тому +3

    I don't know who suggested this video...
    ...but they're *clearly* evil!

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому +1

      clearly.. now.. let me clean my glasses..

  • @fisch37
    @fisch37 3 місяці тому

    Well of course the Hasbro would say AI will change everything. They're trying to sell it to ya!
    No but seriously, LLMs and anything that learns from static datasets can't replace creativity. The reason is very simple: Those models are a glorified average. They will never produce something truly great, they will always make things that are, exclusively, mediocre.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      heh good point indeed. Yes, they are trying to sell it to you.

  • @Sephiroth517
    @Sephiroth517 3 місяці тому

    As if after12 AI scandals in the last months of 2024 that was still something that needed to be confirmed ^^

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      Very true. I'm open to an alternate title if you have one that would be deemed more fitting?

  • @JayKing-i7w
    @JayKing-i7w 3 місяці тому

    AI will never be able to react to the wild things that players want to do as well as a human being can. I have been GM'ing for 38 years and have played every edition except for 4th Ed. If you're playing with AI, aren't you technically playing a video game. A big part of what has made my games successful is the quirkiness of my DM and my ability to flip on a dime. AI is not going to handle some things well. It seems like it will be limited by what is programmed in. So many times, in games I run, things need to be adjusted or made up on the fly. The monetization of D&D and all the scandals that have happened from AI Art use and the way Hasbro keeps making things worse in the 2024 version of the game overall I just can't support it anymore. If you like a great game that is continuing the great basis of 5e then play Tales of the Valiant by Kobold Press. There are several changes to each class, but the overall feel still is 5e. The way we all intended to play it. Without scandals and monetization.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      I 10000% agree. I'll always and forever want to play in person.

  • @KristoVaher
    @KristoVaher 3 місяці тому

    Do note that there's very little difference between using AI or rolling your background against tables. Latter has been done for ages.

  • @thebeanz7838
    @thebeanz7838 3 місяці тому +1

    What people need to understand, is that they need to get off their high horse when it comes to AI. I would argue that everything uses AI in one way or another. You cant escape it. Your favorite movies, shows, games, service, etc. You devices, literally everything uses AI. Your favorite artist, writer, even UA-camrs. So, everyone needs to chill out.

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      I think this is kindav my stance. I see it as a tool. I do not agree with using it to replace someone, but sadly that is happening.

    • @mister_r447
      @mister_r447 3 місяці тому

      @@gamemasters It being a tool and it being a replacement are one in the same. If a tool helps someone do the work of 10, those extra 9 are getting fired.

  • @mister_r447
    @mister_r447 3 місяці тому

    Why do people assume that content generated by AI will be low quality? It might just be better! If not now, soon enough...

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому +1

      oh.. it's going to become surreal. Of that, I have no doubts.

  • @RIVERSRPGChannel
    @RIVERSRPGChannel 3 місяці тому

    Ya who didn’t see this coming from WotC.
    I’m not surprised by the news. Sounds like WotC executives are out of touch with their customers again. At least I don’t have to worry I am already boycotting WotC.
    Have a good game

    • @gamemasters
      @gamemasters  3 місяці тому

      This will eventually hit other game systems as well. We can boycott WotC, but that only works if we also boycott the next company to use it. It's some really slick terrain because at a certain point, where does one draw the line because other industries are also making use of AI.