Surprised there hasn’t been much wing breaking contact at start of races between these cars - going into a first corner. Impressed how drivers are judging their car balance in this stage of a race.
@@Appetite4Rose Good point. Considering how heavy they are with these huge 18 inch wheels. Really impressive how well behaved they are. Even Max has got the memo🤣
It’s interesting that he mentions the wind tunnels of old. There is a video here on UA-cam of a very young Ross Brawn explaining how the F1 aerodynamics worked using a small model. As always thx for the very informative videos Peter.
Fantastic conversation with Jason Somerville, the comment of tunable aerodynamic surfaces instantly brought up the idea for active aerodynamics as he said they would be focusing on efficiency whether aerodynamic, thermal or fuel efficiency. The cars will be going through the IOE,(Iteration, Optimization and Evolution) progression until 2026 which is the next major rules change in F1.
Regarding DRS would it not be possible to have detection points down DRS straights so that when the car with DRS noses ahead of a car without it the flap closes. This would simulate pulling out of the tow to execute the pass and might give the defending driver an opportunity on the brakes still.
It’s an interesting idea but if you’re the driver losing DRS suddenly it would make the car unpredictable and thus take the control away from the driver. It’s difficult enough to drive an F1 car. At top speed suddenly losing control of your speed without knowing makes it 10 times more difficult
@@charlie9ine As soon as you touch the brake pedal, DRS closes anyway. And changing downforce levels in a braking zone seem much more dangerous than during a straight.
I am a totally Verstappenfan but having said that, I find it very shortsighted to paint Hamilton as a possible second driver: yes the cars of Russel should be identical but who knows the differences in set up. We al see Mercedes struggling in their development so far and I strongly belief that the two cars were set op differently to see what will work best. In short without knowing all the ins and outs I find we have to give Lewis more credit
If you have two different set-ups then for sure you have one with more probability of getting s better result, which Hamilton would be the one getting the "better" set up.
@@tradingespanol5384 I am going to disagree on Hamilton having the "better" setup. If it were me in his shoes I would be trying all kinds of combinations so I can get 1st. Hamilton doesn't care about placing 2nd, 3rd, or 9th in the championship. He only wants more championships. Any other place is near useless to him.
Mercedes were trying different things on both cars to get to the bottom of the issues (from what I understand porpoising is just one of many they have - focussing on solving this they think will unlock the cars potential). Thing is, this (Imola) is only race 4 out of a 23 race season. Some are so concerned with watching Russell beat Hamilton they forget, that means nothing if you don’t win the World Drivers Championship or World Constructors Championship. And what ever way one looks at things, Russell finished Imola 42 seconds behind Max. Remember what people said when Hamilton left McLaren to join Mercedes AMG, things like “He’ll never win a championship again”…..”why is he leaving for such a midfield team” etc etc etc….those predictions worked out well didnt they 😂 Hamilton is contracted for 3years and towards the end of this period the rules will be relaxed (I think re design, the aim is to make the cars shorter and wider - think like old school 1970s/80s F1 cars). I think he’ll hang on for that one championship to push him past Schumacher’s tally before he retires……either way it’ll be a long season.
Has there been any consideration towards implementing DTM-like DRS* regulations? * In DTM, you’re allowed to use DRS when within 2 seconds of the car ahead, you can use it 3 times a lap, but only 12 laps per race. In this scenario, Lewis could’ve just sat behind Gasly, who’d undoubtedly would attack Albon until his DRS ‘ran out’, at which point Lewis could use his DRS in an attempt to pass Gasly. At the very least, it would make DRS trains a little more interesting.
Didn't like how we didn't really get a clear answer to the safety of the drivers, due to the porpoising, potential long term concussions and immense strain on the back is something that should be a priority
👍 my thought is that the affected cars should have to meet an additional Safety Standard. If this makes the Car slower, so be it. The Drivers should not be expected to cope with this level of unpredictability and physical discomfort at high speeds.
That is always controlled by the teams until new tests are introduced. Any team from any year could have had a vibration or noise that could cause driver damage.
The talk of tunable aero at the end gave me an idea. If they had active aero, but the drivers could only change once per lap to remain for the rest of the lap. That would not only give manufacturers practice designing active aero solutions but I feel it could make for great racing. For example turning down the drag to make an overtake on the straight only to be liable on all the corners plus lose time to all the other cars. Or tweak the wing to fight an opponents different tire conditions only to have similar risks pop up. I think it could be a much cooler experience than present. Car design would be more difficult too and I'd imagine teams would be forced to make a car capable at a wider range of scenarios which could be safer (but maybe that part is just hope over reality). My other idea has always been allowing more KERS deployed per lap from DRS trigger points instead of using DRS. More KERS wouldn't give an advantage to teams not in the duel like DRS as you're still limited on harvesting, it wouldn't need different rules for wet, and importantly it would limit the risk of a Russell crash last season due (in part) to DRS deployment. But I do think the active aero would be better. Testing would be harder but at worst drivers would only have one lap of bad setup so its not a disaster at least.
The aero tweaking bit won't work that well IMO but more KERS will be certainly helpful. Honestly I wish KERS don't have any limits, would be cool if they ditch DRS too. With the spending cap in place, I think the possibility of out developing each other for the KERS system is mitigated and in the current gen of cars, DRS can slowly go away
@@ihsanjayadi88 The engine spending is uncapped and KERS development comes under that. I don't like DRS at all either but to be fair they tried without it (damp) and it wasn't a success as the video says. I don't see why they need more than one zone, though. Repeated DRS re-overtaking might have been cool for a few races but it will get old fast.
I think it's been clear it's been a huge step forward. Often times this year I've watched 2-3 cars follow each other for 3-5 laps, pushing hard and it makes me think: am I watching F1? We got so used to cars not following for several laps, getting tire temps right and then launching a 1 lap attack. Then backing off for 2-3 laps.
Here's an idea. Now I'm no expert and got into F1 just a few short years ago. But here's a little lesson in common sense. STOP making the cars bigger when the track sizes are staying the same! I think it's really that simple. Stop worrying about DRS and take a look at the size of the car compared to the size of the track. It is were all of your issues are coming from. Multibillion dollar sport and you can't see it?
I agree but you have to look back further to understand why this happened. No one said hey let’s make F1 cars bigger just for the sake of it. The FIA wanted better safety and faster cars. That means you’d need bigger crash structures to dissipate crash energy. That leads to bigger heavier cars. Also if they want more downforce the most efficient way is an larger floor area. Again that means bigger cars. That said I do agree with you. I’d also prefer smaller lighter cars even if that means lap records would be out of reach with lower corner speeds. Higher top speeds and lower corner speeds = heavier braking zones = more chance for overtakes and quality racing.
A lot of the size is rooted in safety just look how much more car there is around mick in his crash then senna had in his, I agree small fast cars make for good racing, but the drivers must be safe, balance
There is always talk of DRS trains and how a car at the back can’t get past as the car in front has DRS. What about the front of the train, why can’t the second car get past? They have DRS and the car in front doesn’t. That’s the root of the problem.
maybe they could introduce skirts which can be dropped into position under the car under certain circumstances to maximise the efficiency of ground effect in the corners...they used to have them in the early 80s, only, they were down all the time. May mean that they don't have to run the cars quite as low.
It started strongly, but I think the last two races are showing us that its somewhat more of the same - one driver dominating from the front, the next two drivers giving up and just following each other and the midfield battling for scraps. This whole "can follow closely now" thing is far from the incredible excitement in every track that we expected. Sure its a bit better than in the recent past, but that is not saying much.
Wow the final point Jason talked about is quite interesting. It basically means FIA is favourably looking at a variable/dynamic aerodynamic device for the sake of efficiency... So many movable aero gudgets that the teams had been sneaking in and banned by FIA subsequently are screaming "at last!" I'm very much looking forward to 2026 now.
Great for the fans but F1 has to hold back on the back patting. Where is the balance in the porpoising? How much wear and tear do you want to impose on the drivers? All teams are facing it even if the ones in front are just not complaining because it is much worse downstream. More work to do.
I think they went too radical with the wheel size change. 5” larger rims in one go is likely the driving force behind these problems. The larger sidewalls and overall air capacity were providing much of the actual “suspension movement “ as the actual suspension was.
Porpoising is a net penalty for the teams so they will all be working to eliminate it as much as possible. I don’t see how it’s a problem that the FIA needs to fix by changing rules. Just let the teams figure it out. By mid season it will be vastly reduced. Keep in mind that these cars are brand new and extremely different aero philosophy to years past. It takes time to refine the design.
@@trappenweisseguy27 The entire point of switching to larger rims was so that LESS movement was coming from the tyre, and MORE movement was from suspension, allowing the engineers to fine tune the movement with more precision for the 'ground effect' style cars than they could with tyre
Lucky that no one got a back injury from the amount of porpoising that has occurred. Porpoising cars should be prohibited from running IMO. The FIA should show them the black flag so they must come into the pits to have the ride height adjusted mid-race.
Not happy with how he skirted the problems associated with porpoising, and also having to run stiffer and stiffer suspensions concomitant with the lower ride heights. What he's not addressing is the impact of this on the driver's health, and specifically the damage its going to do their backs and spines.
My opinion is that we have cars that can follow closer but still not overtake. Drs trains are a nightmare and keep you locked into a Laotian until the queue clears. We also have the biggest gap from from 1st to 3rd since 2016. The regulations may have helped the midfield but not the spread 1-3.
@@JustinPeters hey Justin. I certainly haven’t. I have reviewed all times and data for qualifying since 2014. The biggest gap was 2015/2016. What i am saying is in 2019 and 2020 the merc was on average .7 quicker. But never before has the gap from the 1st place team to Third place team been 1.5 sec in qualifying and race trim. I’m not saying this with an angle or agenda, just for info as I’m always interested in the spread of the field.
@@JeLifeCoach Merc were in a league of their own that year. They had a second a lap on the grid. In fact, they ran a detuned PU for whole year so no one knew how big their advantage was.
@@Goron333 just realized i said 2014 and i meant 2010 with those new reg changes. Sorry about that. However, in 2019 and 2020 Ferrari and Red Bull had chances of winning races. They were not over 1 sec off in qualifying trim. As for now, MERC, being the third best team, is consistently over 1 second off in qualifying and even more in race trim. So, while the top two battle, the third team is on an island. Then, another group set in the field of 4-7. That’s all I’m saying.
I truly love to see DRS get tossed out trash file....but the I saw how they were advertising it with an upcoming race and then I thought they have a lot invested in DRS most likely so they are not going to just chuck it.....I have only pushed that issue because I really liked to see F1 put as much control of the focus of the race back in the drivers hands as possible...but I know the DRS is something that sport cars are using to release drag when it's possible to enhance the efficiency of Bugatti an cars like the senna by McClaren...when u need downforce it pops up otherwise the cars are more slippery aerodynamically
Most interesting discussion about weight. The 2022 cars are indecently corpulent. Here’s an idea, and don’t dismiss it as crazy without thinking about it first: reduce the minimum weight to 500kg. The safety of the current cars is derived from specific rules about structures, crash-testing and so on. There are lots of rules that stop people building cars from unobtainium. To the extent that it is necessary, provide that all the hybrid/ERS systems are permitted but not mandatory. Leave other rules the same except to remove the pitstop/tyres requirement. Now tell me a 600kg car without the massive weight, bulk and cooling demands of the hybrids but with the current V6 wouldn’t be as fast, better to watch, and less costly.
Sounds like for 2026, they're going to be reconcidering their ban on movable aerodynamic devices. Excelent! I hope they don't have another engine freeze though, of all the new rules, that one I don't like, not on a year with such drastic changes to the engines.
Thanks for another great video. What are your thoughts about the risks in over trusting simulator results? Both Mercedes as well as Ferrari have invested heavily in this. But now both struggle the most with solving their porpoising issues. Has trust in simulations reached such a point that it's become very difficult to analyse where the simulations need improvement? Toto was so proud to show their real breakthrough only at the end of the testing session in Barcelona. And has also played part in loosing 2021 drivers championship by late/wrong decisions made during unexpected circumstances. Add; Toto has just told that they are experimenting with parts only to find a direction where to move.
Let’s be real, that bottom sentence is nonsense. They won that championship if it wasn’t for Masi’s very deliberate intervention. Do we really think Mercedes will solve this now? I’m starting to think they won’t. They don’t seem to have an answer.
@@henriwolbrink Okay. It seems to be taking them a long time though. Surely they might be thinking about cutting their losses before long. It’s been a month or two now and they’re still stumped. How far do you go down a road when it is the wrong direction....
@@W0lf_91 They simply haven't got any clue in which direction to go. And it doesn't help that their aero specialist Gianluca Romania has now also left the company to work for Ferrari.
@@W0lf_91 "They won that championship if it wasn’t for Masi’s very deliberate intervention." Merc were conservative with strategy for most of the year, and it cost them several times. Their biggest lost was at Baku, when Hamilton made a mistake all on his own. They also could have given Hamilton a couple of extra points at Red Bull Ring by using Bottas to hold up Norris, or letting Hamilton by Bottas at the end. They also screwed up their qualifying at Spa. And if not for the tyre failure at Baku with 5 laps to go, Verstappen would have increased his points lead at Baku. The only reason they stayed in both title fights was down to gaming the ICE regulations (which RB chose not to do) and pure luck. If not for red flags at Imola and Silverstone, Hamilton would not have been 2nd and 1st respectively. Masi also changed the rules in Bahrain, correcting the track limits mid way through the race - but I notice Merc fans tend to conveniently forget that, and don't count it as 'inconsistency' or 'rule breaking'. Not to mention Hamilton receiving no reprimand on lap 1 at Abu Dhabi, despite Verstappen being told to give a place back in Jeddah for a very similar situation. As Zak Brown said, all the teams are culpable for the regulations being a mess after arguing over track limits and penalties for years. You seem to be arguing with many comments on this video. Perhaps you need to accept that different people don't have to agree with you about Merc?
I was watching a presentation by some "neck doctor". He's a specialist about nerves and spine in the neck area. He was saying that the FIA is being extremely irresponsible by allowing this type of bouncing because the frequency of bouncing is so high that it can have long-term consequences in upper spine (neck area) and is usually catastophic - not heal-able. Can cause degrading something spine, something brains, something neurons,... I don't know the words exactly, I'm not a doctor. But his presentation had examples of real people he treats and it seemed logical. He was saying it's not comparable to jackhammer use because the driver is "glued" to his survival cell and the only part freely moving is the head. And this is the worst case scenario, because if you look at jackhammer, the whole body absorbs blows. But in the F1, only the driver's neck "absorbs" bounces. I wish I could find that video.
@@connorclarke1218 Yea, if I find it I will post it. I was searching in my youtube history but couldn't find it yet. But if you follow the logic of jackhammer use and what problems those people have long term, and focus only on the neck, I find that doctors explanation logical.
It's not only the cervical spine that takes a pounding - the brain is also being shaken rapidly. Think of the brain as being like a very large yoke in an egg with a little white gel to cushion impact to the shell. Brain injury can be caused by the brain being thrust against the skull (usually caused by high force impacts) but potentially by shaking (e.g. 'shaken baby syndrome' comes to mind). It may lead to a low grade form of concussion. The symptoms would be headache and brain fog which would become more longstanding with repeated significant exposure to this aggressive bouncing.
HI Peter great video as usual.However can you explain to F1 fans why with the design of the 2022 cars , Teams were not given the same amount of development time, testing time and Cost caps. I think it was an error not to have all the teams on equal footing since the designs were totally new. The formula used for this calculation seams not linear so all teams should have been given equal resources . I also believe we are seeing now the disadvantage of this calculation where the most successful team is being penalized more. Maybe F1 knew this and implemented this nonlinear system to peg back more advanced teams.
The more advanced teams started development on these cars in 2019, when there was zero budget cap and zero limitations on development. Additionally, keep in mind that Mercedes (and Red Bull as of last year) have full chassis dyno's available to them, which combined with a Virtual Test Track, gives them a huge advantage over every other team. There are zero usage limits on that.
I have never been a fan of DRS and now think it should be eliminated immediately, the next race or I may not watch. Being within a second is an automatic pass now.
It’s all car setup nothing more.back in the day of testing galore you could hone the car much more.these days the quicker car on the day will always win..drs or not.back in the 2000s the driver always could make a difference as the cars were more honed so this left the capacity for individual driving styles amongst drivers to always shine through.today it’s “if the cars not handling right then there doomed as there is no track time to fine tune the car.
I’ll add the proverbial spanner in the works but all that’s changed is that Ferrari have replaced Mercedes. Otherwise it’s as it was, the gaps between the leading cars and the slowest is just as huge🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
That's not really true. The drivers don't like how heavy the cars are, but they are easier to follow. The real indication will come once we start to see the updates in Barcelona and mid season. The idea is the cars require more skill by the driver, and being stiffer, they react over the kerbs more. They also look quite visually different (at the moment). The budget cap and aero restrictions will start to have an impact, and prevent the positive feedback loop of the hybrid era.
I stopped wearing hats...but I take my hat off the F1 for 22s cars it great that these young kids have to learn how an what a draft is....wait when drafting vanish...it don't matter its baaaacckkk
Where are all the Peter haters now. Who else brings F1 engineers on like Peter does. Those muppets like to come on your comments section and act like they are F1 pundits. This video must be painful for them 😆
Mercedes spent 100 billions on the engines , dampers and suspensions. They were buying championships just like Ferrari was. Those days are over. Bye bye Mercedes
Peter people seem to be confused by the ability to follow closely for 50 laps with the improved ability to overtake. I have checked 4 races and found there aren't more overtakes. IMOLA 2021 17 overtakes Imola 2022 15 overtakes, Australia 2019 3 overtakes, Australia 2022 5 overtakes. When you look at the overtakes that are happening this year a few are because of poor tyre warm up nothing to do with the ability to follow closely. What the new regs have achieved are ridicoulsy bouncy unstable cars that can't race properly, yet. I assume this will be fixed at some point. Its obvicous there should have been more on track test sessions to check out the performance of the cars after such a massive regulation change. I think every one should stop patting themselves on the back.
Being able to follow closely in DRS chains actually makes it harder to overtake. When you could only follow for a couple of laps you did not get 6 car DRS chains (TSU-STR-OCO-ALB-GAS-HAM) like we had at IMOLA, eventually TSU over took MAG on lap 47 but the rest followed nose to tail until the end.
F1 is about lining the cars up in pace order and setting them off. Technically speaking there shouldn't really be much overtaking. You need the lead car to make an error in order to get overtakes. The fact that the cars can follow closely is a godsend. Hamilton chasing Gasly for 40 odd-laps and not once being told to slow down and look after the tyres. Relentless.
Looked to me like the RB and Ferrari could "race properly" at Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and in the Imola sprint. But yeah, you are comparing seasons when they had YEARS of data on how to optimise their cars, with this season, where they have less testing than 2019, and brand new philosophy and tyres. The Merc is ridiculously bouncy. They could reduce that bouncing if they further cut performance - they just don't want to. As for more testing - this is the dead end that hybrid has taken us; testing had to be limited because smaller teams couldn't afford the mileage, which lead to more CFD/tunnel work, which lead to correlation issues. And F1 being the greedy entity it is, would rather squeeze in extra races in countries with poor human rights records than allow extra testing time.
Just watched Bahrain 2021 and 2022. Bahrain 2021 overtakes 23 Bahrain 2022 overtakes 24, however 6 of those were LEC slowing down to allow VER to pass so he could pass under DRS out of the corner. new rules = bouncy undrivable cars that follow close but no more overtaking
@@Ruylopez778 The point is that after the first race and subsequently those that came up with the rules were saying how much of a difference they have made. That is not the case, it maybe in future. I think the ability to follow closely forming DRS chains may actually harm overtaking. in 2021 you didn't get a train of cars 0.5 sec apart.
To me, porpoising was an oversight pure and simple-yet entirely predictable from past ground effects eras. It doesn't seem like an "interesting" technology problem at all, but instead an engineering resources slog hog. It seems to be causing discomfort verging on injury for drivers, and all that bounciness has got to eventually cause a nasty high speed braking shunt. A decidedly mixed benefit. That's my take on this effort. Looks to me like they're just jawboning it best they can and trying their best to kick the can as hard as they can. Last year it was crummy officiating. This year, a silly looking technical gaffe.
Thanks Peter. I must admit I find it hard to see the new regs as successful when we had better on-track battling last year... though time will tell. I am baffled as to why the FIA would let the cars continue to porpoise (it just looks amateur, bringing the sport close to disrepute, and is bad PR for F1 and the great technical ability of the design engineers, - driving them must also be truly awful). I am also disappointing that they are now saying that DRS is staying until 2026 (while it remains, the actual racing is so compromised - DRS has no place in F1 and it is simply a solid testament to the failure of the governing body to make the racing better). The cars can indeed follow closer... and yet slip-streaming is poorer... and so DRS remains, and it often poorly tuned to individual tracks. Seemingly, all the FIA has done is produce rules that give random results with different teams going better at different tracks. Maybe in a year's time the cars will not bounce and it will be sorted. However, experts said the bouncing would go within a couple of races - the same experts that couldn't foresee the problem in the first place - and they are experts - thus the claim of randomness, and confirmation of it, in the performance of different teams on different weekends. I am now watching 5 minutes of highlights only, and this channel too - that''s it. How many other racers and fans are walking out F1's door right now?
Everyone with their ideas about reinventing the f1 wheel. F1 wouldnt be F1 without the individuality between cars and teams. Leave them and the sport alon
@@Rimpreza fair point but we can’t look over that George is currently doing an better job with this midfield car. This car does not belong on the podium but Lewis’s performance last Sunday is not him at his best either. That he is shielded for all blame with his teammate finishing 10 places ahead is just weird.
@@1barnet1 oh I totally agree with you there. They treat him like a diva. Don’t want to put him down, but they do. For whatever reason, he’s not performing well. Guess if it stays like that, they’ll have to acknowledge it
Lewy was whining about the “new” race controller not enabling DRS when he couldn’t get by Gasly Masi probably would have hit the switch but Toto and Lewy had him punted That’s karma baby!!!
If DRS and wide tracks existed back in the day, Gilles Villeneuve would never had a chance at Jarama. These two elements have eliminated the sublime skill of defending the lead. We'll never witness such a master class as what Gilles did ever again.
Don't take the suspension away from them. Do the following instead. 1- Drop the engine down to 1 litre. 2- Reduce the size of those new wheels to 16 inch because the 18 is too ridiculously large for a formula 1 car. 3- Reduce the length of the cars by half a metre from where they are now. 4- Reduce the floor and bodywork width down to 1800mm. 5- Reduce the overall width with the tyres to 1900mm. 6- Reduce the width of the tyres down by 50mm each and that should get the weight down to 700kg with the driver. Also make sure the cockpit has room for tall drivers of up to 2 metres in height.
Ban ground fx, or allow skirts, these regs go against the whole evolution of open wheelers. Increasing ride height to solve vertical oscillation?? This is going backwards, Pete!! Porposing is a 40 yr old problem, Ross knew that going in. We are trying to rectify a problem that couldnt be done, other than putting skirts on. But ride height is evolution as to why they are great cars over last couple decades. Why do we want to go in reverse? Ross Brawn - OUT!! I will focus my attention on Super Formula races, sadly.
Bouncing cars doesn’t give the best drivers a level playing field. So for me the race is in the design office which in the end makes it less interesting.
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The damp conditions made....more BS damp racing was always more exciting but not this time ,the cars are ungainly to heavy and not alert enough,what’s the point of being able to follow iff you can’t manouver the car and overtake.
Ah stop blowing your own horn because it’s not even true ,the same trains and no overtakes without DRS in the last grand prix so again stop the horn blowing and go back to the drawing board,iff the rules had staid the same ,there would have been more action in the last races and probably a four way fight.PR shouldn’t be done by self the actions spoke loader than rhis BS
The damp conditions made the track narrower then it already is. Then the race control didn’t have DRS active for most of the race. In the sprint race there were some quality moves on an dry track. If there is an dry racing line but damp track it becomes really easy to defend.
@@1barnet1 the cars are too heavy ungainly unmanouverable making F1 like GT racing ,trains of cars following closely but stuck behind one another none the less ,blowing their own horn ,dont blame the rain people sed to pray for it to get some excitement,boring
@@supertjeduc ,m not a brit ,max had no problem over taking last year ,no one mentioned changing anything I don’t have that power ,the new cars suck too heavy that’s all
Fixing the hole that created a car design where purposing is now a major problem for most all teams. Change for the sake of change appears to be the agenda for the brain trusts of the FIA. Geek squad sitting around the "Round Table" to see what they come up with to make the racing "more competitive".but have failed to accomplish the objective. Brilliant !!
Fire these guys and girls. The damage to the image of F1 regarding porpoising, and the weak sauce backpedaling by the FIA in the fans eyes is a disaster. Add in, the harm posed to the drivers is unacceptable. This better get resolved within a few races or the long term damage to F1 will take a decade to repair, if ever.
Fire Mercedes engineers for thinking they could make their small sidepod philosophy work without thinking about how wobbly it would make their floor. Also while compromising their PU for other teams
That's quite a unique opinion. There are teams who do not suffer from porpoising at all, so from their perspective there's nothing to resolve and no harm being done. The worst hit teams have the ability to resolve their bouncing issues tomorrow, but its at the expense of performance so they simply choose not to. There's no damage to F1's image happening because of that.
@@michaeldellorso889 Well, everyone really. Not one of the drivers have said they enjoy the new cars; the contrary in fact. Heavy and unenjoyable to drive. I guess the counter point to that is if these cars can follow better, it should in theory produce better racing. Is that the case though, really, 4 races in? Is the racing better than it was? I’m not so sure at all.
@@W0lf_91 well the racing has been far more enjoyable to watch and the cars can follow much closer. Which were the objectives of these new rules. So they have done their job well. I agree with the current FIA intentions that in 2026 we have to start looking at making the cars smaller and lighter again. But in terms of aerodynamics the sport seems to be on the right track. That someone’s favorite team and driver failed to perform well makes them angry is just an form of fanboyism we have to wave away and ignore.
Opinionated Dyslexic That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read. The top priority for Mercedes right now is to get Hamilton to that 8th drivers championship. There is literally nothing else more important than that. If he gets an 8th, Mercedes goes down in the record books alongside Hamilton. You're deluded. Hamilton has enough excuses up his sleeve for his garbage driving this year. He doesn't need your help. From Fitzroy You Troll and Gremlin Opinionated Dyslexic I am a driver but I have never driven a racing car and I keeping it real here is you that is rubbishing Lewis Hamilton driving what do you really know about a formula 1 racing car more than you see it on TV Toto Wolff apologize for a reason people from all over the world see how Toto Wolff and Mercedes help George Russell over Lewis Hamilton the FIA was force to change the whole rule of formula 1 because no one could defeat Lewis Hamilton, so the FIA fix the race to make Max Verstappen world champion that what we all saw All of Mercedes strategy is use to keep George Russell in front of Lewis Hamilton And so far George Russell is very lucky he is in the right place at the right time when there is an accident George Russell capitalize on it and Mercedes extreme sidepods is the major problem and not the driver.
Hamilton won’t get his 8th title this season. He is already far behind and the car won’t become the best car overnight. The just have to understand why it doesn’t work and then do an better job and then focus on the next season.
@@1barnet1 I agree, I don’t think he will either. BUT. If they somehow, miraculously, fix their issues and unlock the potential and can fight within the next 2-3 races, I think they could still be in it, judging by what happened last season when a Red Bull were miles ahead. I can’t see them fixing it quickly though, if at all.
This channel is a gem
Great interview and great content in general on this channel! Thanks for putting this together!
Surprised there hasn’t been much wing breaking contact at start of races between these cars - going into a first corner. Impressed how drivers are judging their car balance in this stage of a race.
Less sudden understeer due to dirty might help.
There’s a limit of spare parts since it’s the start of the season so maybe the drivers are being more cautious than usual
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Good point. Considering how heavy they are with these huge 18 inch wheels. Really impressive how well behaved they are. Even Max has got the memo🤣
Excellent as always thankyou PW. 👍
Great vid, Pete. Very Insightful. Thanks.
Kudos to you for this very special guest ,
It’s interesting that he mentions the wind tunnels of old. There is a video here on UA-cam of a very young Ross Brawn explaining how the F1 aerodynamics worked using a small model.
As always thx for the very informative videos Peter.
This sort of insight is what makes this channel so interesting.
Fantastic conversation with Jason Somerville, the comment of tunable aerodynamic surfaces instantly brought up the idea for active aerodynamics as he said they would be focusing on efficiency whether aerodynamic, thermal or fuel efficiency. The cars will be going through the IOE,(Iteration, Optimization and Evolution) progression until 2026 which is the next major rules change in F1.
Regarding DRS would it not be possible to have detection points down DRS straights so that when the car with DRS noses ahead of a car without it the flap closes. This would simulate pulling out of the tow to execute the pass and might give the defending driver an opportunity on the brakes still.
It’s an interesting idea but if you’re the driver losing DRS suddenly it would make the car unpredictable and thus take the control away from the driver. It’s difficult enough to drive an F1 car. At top speed suddenly losing control of your speed without knowing makes it 10 times more difficult
@@charlie9ine As soon as you touch the brake pedal, DRS closes anyway. And changing downforce levels in a braking zone seem much more dangerous than during a straight.
@@Exevium sorry I’m not buying that any arbitrary change in the control of your car is not off putting and potentially dangerous
I am a totally Verstappenfan but having said that, I find it very shortsighted to paint Hamilton as a possible second driver: yes the cars of Russel should be identical but who knows the differences in set up. We al see Mercedes struggling in their development so far and I strongly belief that the two cars were set op differently to see what will work best. In short without knowing all the ins and outs I find we have to give Lewis more credit
If he beats Russell he gets more Credit. Now he just looks like a Vettel getting beat by Ricciardo/Leclerc..
If you have two different set-ups then for sure you have one with more probability of getting s better result, which Hamilton would be the one getting the "better" set up.
@@tradingespanol5384 I am going to disagree on Hamilton having the "better" setup. If it were me in his shoes I would be trying all kinds of combinations so I can get 1st. Hamilton doesn't care about placing 2nd, 3rd, or 9th in the championship. He only wants more championships. Any other place is near useless to him.
Mercedes were trying different things on both cars to get to the bottom of the issues (from what I understand porpoising is just one of many they have - focussing on solving this they think will unlock the cars potential). Thing is, this (Imola) is only race 4 out of a 23 race season. Some are so concerned with watching Russell beat Hamilton they forget, that means nothing if you don’t win the World Drivers Championship or World Constructors Championship. And what ever way one looks at things, Russell finished Imola 42 seconds behind Max.
Remember what people said when Hamilton left McLaren to join Mercedes AMG, things like “He’ll never win a championship again”…..”why is he leaving for such a midfield team” etc etc etc….those predictions worked out well didnt they 😂
Hamilton is contracted for 3years and towards the end of this period the rules will be relaxed (I think re design, the aim is to make the cars shorter and wider - think like old school 1970s/80s F1 cars). I think he’ll hang on for that one championship to push him past Schumacher’s tally before he retires……either way it’ll be a long season.
@@Ronny999x You must be delusional for that statement, statements like these will only destabilise Mercedes's team.
Has there been any consideration towards implementing DTM-like DRS* regulations?
* In DTM, you’re allowed to use DRS when within 2 seconds of the car ahead, you can use it 3 times a lap, but only 12 laps per race.
In this scenario, Lewis could’ve just sat behind Gasly, who’d undoubtedly would attack Albon until his DRS ‘ran out’, at which point Lewis could use his DRS in an attempt to pass Gasly. At the very least, it would make DRS trains a little more interesting.
Didn't like how we didn't really get a clear answer to the safety of the drivers, due to the porpoising, potential long term concussions and immense strain on the back is something that should be a priority
Agreed. Injury isn’t just caused by accidents.
thats up to the teams. mercedes can easily fix the porpoising, but they choose not to because of how much slower they would be. same with ferrari
It will clearly have a medical impact…
👍 my thought is that the affected cars should have to meet an additional Safety Standard. If this makes the Car slower, so be it.
The Drivers should not be expected to cope with this level of unpredictability and physical discomfort at high speeds.
That is always controlled by the teams until new tests are introduced. Any team from any year could have had a vibration or noise that could cause driver damage.
Great interview Peter! Thank you.
Thank you Peter that was extremely interesting…
The talk of tunable aero at the end gave me an idea. If they had active aero, but the drivers could only change once per lap to remain for the rest of the lap. That would not only give manufacturers practice designing active aero solutions but I feel it could make for great racing. For example turning down the drag to make an overtake on the straight only to be liable on all the corners plus lose time to all the other cars. Or tweak the wing to fight an opponents different tire conditions only to have similar risks pop up. I think it could be a much cooler experience than present. Car design would be more difficult too and I'd imagine teams would be forced to make a car capable at a wider range of scenarios which could be safer (but maybe that part is just hope over reality).
My other idea has always been allowing more KERS deployed per lap from DRS trigger points instead of using DRS. More KERS wouldn't give an advantage to teams not in the duel like DRS as you're still limited on harvesting, it wouldn't need different rules for wet, and importantly it would limit the risk of a Russell crash last season due (in part) to DRS deployment. But I do think the active aero would be better. Testing would be harder but at worst drivers would only have one lap of bad setup so its not a disaster at least.
The aero tweaking bit won't work that well IMO but more KERS will be certainly helpful. Honestly I wish KERS don't have any limits, would be cool if they ditch DRS too. With the spending cap in place, I think the possibility of out developing each other for the KERS system is mitigated and in the current gen of cars, DRS can slowly go away
@@ihsanjayadi88 The engine spending is uncapped and KERS development comes under that. I don't like DRS at all either but to be fair they tried without it (damp) and it wasn't a success as the video says. I don't see why they need more than one zone, though. Repeated DRS re-overtaking might have been cool for a few races but it will get old fast.
I think it's been clear it's been a huge step forward. Often times this year I've watched 2-3 cars follow each other for 3-5 laps, pushing hard and it makes me think: am I watching F1?
We got so used to cars not following for several laps, getting tire temps right and then launching a 1 lap attack. Then backing off for 2-3 laps.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Quite enjoyed that Peter, thank you.
Here's an idea. Now I'm no expert and got into F1 just a few short years ago. But here's a little lesson in common sense. STOP making the cars bigger when the track sizes are staying the same! I think it's really that simple. Stop worrying about DRS and take a look at the size of the car compared to the size of the track. It is were all of your issues are coming from. Multibillion dollar sport and you can't see it?
Smaller, lighter cars one of F1’s central objectives for the next cars, set for 2026
I agree but you have to look back further to understand why this happened. No one said hey let’s make F1 cars bigger just for the sake of it.
The FIA wanted better safety and faster cars. That means you’d need bigger crash structures to dissipate crash energy. That leads to bigger heavier cars.
Also if they want more downforce the most efficient way is an larger floor area. Again that means bigger cars.
That said I do agree with you.
I’d also prefer smaller lighter cars even if that means lap records would be out of reach with lower corner speeds.
Higher top speeds and lower corner speeds = heavier braking zones = more chance for overtakes and quality racing.
A lot of the size is rooted in safety just look how much more car there is around mick in his crash then senna had in his, I agree small fast cars make for good racing, but the drivers must be safe, balance
You're oversimplifying the development of an incrediby complex set of regulations. Have you ever developed any regulations? Even simple ones?
You are so right..
Thank you for that very interesting video. Well... like always
There is always talk of DRS trains and how a car at the back can’t get past as the car in front has DRS.
What about the front of the train, why can’t the second car get past? They have DRS and the car in front doesn’t. That’s the root of the problem.
Ha. And then I get the bit where they do mention it (albeit quickly).
maybe they could introduce skirts which can be dropped into position under the car under certain circumstances to maximise the efficiency of ground effect in the corners...they used to have them in the early 80s, only, they were down all the time.
May mean that they don't have to run the cars quite as low.
It started strongly, but I think the last two races are showing us that its somewhat more of the same - one driver dominating from the front, the next two drivers giving up and just following each other and the midfield battling for scraps. This whole "can follow closely now" thing is far from the incredible excitement in every track that we expected. Sure its a bit better than in the recent past, but that is not saying much.
Wow the final point Jason talked about is quite interesting. It basically means FIA is favourably looking at a variable/dynamic aerodynamic device for the sake of efficiency... So many movable aero gudgets that the teams had been sneaking in and banned by FIA subsequently are screaming "at last!" I'm very much looking forward to 2026 now.
Almost had a video without mentioning Mercedes... Last 3 second.. Nevermind.. Hehe... Just teasing love the videos..
Great for the fans but F1 has to hold back on the back patting. Where is the balance in the porpoising? How much wear and tear do you want to impose on the drivers? All teams are facing it even if the ones in front are just not complaining because it is much worse downstream. More work to do.
i also wonder about this. The merc and the ferrari look like they must be causing injuries over the long term.
I think they went too radical with the wheel size change. 5” larger rims in one go is likely the driving force behind these problems. The larger sidewalls and overall air capacity were providing much of the actual “suspension movement “ as the actual suspension was.
Porpoising is a net penalty for the teams so they will all be working to eliminate it as much as possible.
I don’t see how it’s a problem that the FIA needs to fix by changing rules. Just let the teams figure it out.
By mid season it will be vastly reduced.
Keep in mind that these cars are brand new and extremely different aero philosophy to years past. It takes time to refine the design.
It's not F1's fault if the some of the teams got it wrong. The teams will start to fix it once they understand the problem and bring updates.
@@trappenweisseguy27 The entire point of switching to larger rims was so that LESS movement was coming from the tyre, and MORE movement was from suspension, allowing the engineers to fine tune the movement with more precision for the 'ground effect' style cars than they could with tyre
Finally the video I’ve been waiting for!
Man i love your videos 👌😁
He's killing bro.
Also, RSA?
Adjusting the rear wing? Sounds like Active Aerodynamics to me!
Lucky that no one got a back injury from the amount of porpoising that has occurred. Porpoising cars should be prohibited from running IMO. The FIA should show them the black flag so they must come into the pits to have the ride height adjusted mid-race.
Wouldn’t the porpoising issue be dealt with by a f/r anti roll bar ? (not an easy solution to implement but in theory it would solve the problem)?
So we’re back to considering active aero. Interesting.
Thanks good I'll have make up bumper sticker that say just say no to DRS if all else fails...bumper stickers was my first plan anyway
Not happy with how he skirted the problems associated with porpoising, and also having to run stiffer and stiffer suspensions concomitant with the lower ride heights. What he's not addressing is the impact of this on the driver's health, and specifically the damage its going to do their backs and spines.
My opinion is that we have cars that can follow closer but still not overtake. Drs trains are a nightmare and keep you locked into a Laotian until the queue clears.
We also have the biggest gap from from 1st to 3rd since 2016. The regulations may have helped the midfield but not the spread 1-3.
@@JustinPeters hey Justin. I certainly haven’t. I have reviewed all times and data for qualifying since 2014. The biggest gap was 2015/2016. What i am saying is in 2019 and 2020 the merc was on average .7 quicker.
But never before has the gap from the 1st place team to Third place team been 1.5 sec in qualifying and race trim.
I’m not saying this with an angle or agenda, just for info as I’m always interested in the spread of the field.
Keep in mind that year 1 of a ruleset leads to the biggest field spread. 2016 was the third year of that era and showed zero sign of convergence.
@@Goron333 I’ve watched all of 2014 on repeat on the f1 app. It was year one of new regs. Top 3 teams were much closer that year first 12 races.
@@JeLifeCoach Merc were in a league of their own that year. They had a second a lap on the grid. In fact, they ran a detuned PU for whole year so no one knew how big their advantage was.
@@Goron333 just realized i said 2014 and i meant 2010 with those new reg changes. Sorry about that. However, in 2019 and 2020 Ferrari and Red Bull had chances of winning races. They were not over 1 sec off in qualifying trim. As for now, MERC, being the third best team, is consistently over 1 second off in qualifying and even more in race trim. So, while the top two battle, the third team is on an island. Then, another group set in the field of 4-7. That’s all I’m saying.
Good gracious! Are we headed towards 20 black carbon fibre cars running around the track?
I truly love to see DRS get tossed out trash file....but the I saw how they were advertising it with an upcoming race and then I thought they have a lot invested in DRS most likely so they are not going to just chuck it.....I have only pushed that issue because I really liked to see F1 put as much control of the focus of the race back in the drivers hands as possible...but I know the DRS is something that sport cars are using to release drag when it's possible to enhance the efficiency of Bugatti an cars like the senna by McClaren...when u need downforce it pops up otherwise the cars are more slippery aerodynamically
I dont get it, simple logic says 90% less overtakes, especially by cars that are slower than the car they follow. Totally offputting idea.
Most interesting discussion about weight. The 2022 cars are indecently corpulent. Here’s an idea, and don’t dismiss it as crazy without thinking about it first: reduce the minimum weight to 500kg. The safety of the current cars is derived from specific rules about structures, crash-testing and so on. There are lots of rules that stop people building cars from unobtainium. To the extent that it is necessary, provide that all the hybrid/ERS systems are permitted but not mandatory. Leave other rules the same except to remove the pitstop/tyres requirement. Now tell me a 600kg car without the massive weight, bulk and cooling demands of the hybrids but with the current V6 wouldn’t be as fast, better to watch, and less costly.
Sounds like for 2026, they're going to be reconcidering their ban on movable aerodynamic devices. Excelent!
I hope they don't have another engine freeze though, of all the new rules, that one I don't like, not on a year with such drastic changes to the engines.
Thanks for another great video.
What are your thoughts about the risks in over trusting simulator results?
Both Mercedes as well as Ferrari have invested heavily in this.
But now both struggle the most with solving their porpoising issues.
Has trust in simulations reached such a point that it's become very difficult to analyse where the simulations need improvement?
Toto was so proud to show their real breakthrough only at the end of the testing session in Barcelona.
And has also played part in loosing 2021 drivers championship by late/wrong decisions made during unexpected circumstances.
Add; Toto has just told that they are experimenting with parts only to find a direction where to move.
Let’s be real, that bottom sentence is nonsense. They won that championship if it wasn’t for Masi’s very deliberate intervention.
Do we really think Mercedes will solve this now? I’m starting to think they won’t. They don’t seem to have an answer.
@@W0lf_91 I mentioned clearly PART of it. And today Toto mentioned they just try things and hopefully find an indication where to concentrate.
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Okay. It seems to be taking them a long time though. Surely they might be thinking about cutting their losses before long. It’s been a month or two now and they’re still stumped.
How far do you go down a road when it is the wrong direction....
@@W0lf_91 They simply haven't got any clue in which direction to go. And it doesn't help that their aero specialist Gianluca Romania has now also left the company to work for Ferrari.
@@W0lf_91 "They won that championship if it wasn’t for Masi’s very deliberate intervention."
Merc were conservative with strategy for most of the year, and it cost them several times.
Their biggest lost was at Baku, when Hamilton made a mistake all on his own. They also could have given Hamilton a couple of extra points at Red Bull Ring by using Bottas to hold up Norris, or letting Hamilton by Bottas at the end. They also screwed up their qualifying at Spa.
And if not for the tyre failure at Baku with 5 laps to go, Verstappen would have increased his points lead at Baku.
The only reason they stayed in both title fights was down to gaming the ICE regulations (which RB chose not to do) and pure luck. If not for red flags at Imola and Silverstone, Hamilton would not have been 2nd and 1st respectively.
Masi also changed the rules in Bahrain, correcting the track limits mid way through the race - but I notice Merc fans tend to conveniently forget that, and don't count it as 'inconsistency' or 'rule breaking'. Not to mention Hamilton receiving no reprimand on lap 1 at Abu Dhabi, despite Verstappen being told to give a place back in Jeddah for a very similar situation.
As Zak Brown said, all the teams are culpable for the regulations being a mess after arguing over track limits and penalties for years.
You seem to be arguing with many comments on this video. Perhaps you need to accept that different people don't have to agree with you about Merc?
I was watching a presentation by some "neck doctor". He's a specialist about nerves and spine in the neck area. He was saying that the FIA is being extremely irresponsible by allowing this type of bouncing because the frequency of bouncing is so high that it can have long-term consequences in upper spine (neck area) and is usually catastophic - not heal-able. Can cause degrading something spine, something brains, something neurons,... I don't know the words exactly, I'm not a doctor. But his presentation had examples of real people he treats and it seemed logical. He was saying it's not comparable to jackhammer use because the driver is "glued" to his survival cell and the only part freely moving is the head. And this is the worst case scenario, because if you look at jackhammer, the whole body absorbs blows. But in the F1, only the driver's neck "absorbs" bounces. I wish I could find that video.
Link to video?
Merc fan?
@@connorclarke1218 Yea, if I find it I will post it. I was searching in my youtube history but couldn't find it yet. But if you follow the logic of jackhammer use and what problems those people have long term, and focus only on the neck, I find that doctors explanation logical.
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Max fan?
It's not only the cervical spine that takes a pounding - the brain is also being shaken rapidly. Think of the brain as being like a very large yoke in an egg with a little white gel to cushion impact to the shell. Brain injury can be caused by the brain being thrust against the skull (usually caused by high force impacts) but potentially by shaking (e.g. 'shaken baby syndrome' comes to mind). It may lead to a low grade form of concussion. The symptoms would be headache and brain fog which would become more longstanding with repeated significant exposure to this aggressive bouncing.
I think they've achieved what they wanted to achieve.
...should they afford the teams a smite more wind tunnel time...if only to remove porpoising...?
The wish to be better equipped to follow other cars vs the wish to NOT be followed...
This is wonderfull insight! thx :)
...Sir Jackie Stewart's position...?
HI Peter great video as usual.However can you explain to F1 fans why with the design of the 2022 cars , Teams were not given the same amount of development time, testing time and Cost caps.
I think it was an error not to have all the teams on equal footing since the designs were totally new.
The formula used for this calculation seams not linear so all teams should have been given equal resources .
I also believe we are seeing now the disadvantage of this calculation where the most successful team is being penalized more.
Maybe F1 knew this and implemented this nonlinear system to peg back more advanced teams.
The more advanced teams started development on these cars in 2019, when there was zero budget cap and zero limitations on development.
Additionally, keep in mind that Mercedes (and Red Bull as of last year) have full chassis dyno's available to them, which combined with a Virtual Test Track, gives them a huge advantage over every other team. There are zero usage limits on that.
...Formula One's Concussion Protocol for the effects of porpoising...
I have never been a fan of DRS and now think it should be eliminated immediately, the next race or I may not watch. Being within a second is an automatic pass now.
What happens at Imola without DRS? Did you really just ask that? Did you not watch the first 31 laps of the race?
It’s all car setup nothing more.back in the day of testing galore you could hone the car much more.these days the quicker car on the day will always win..drs or not.back in the 2000s the driver always could make a difference as the cars were more honed so this left the capacity for individual driving styles amongst drivers to always shine through.today it’s “if the cars not handling right then there doomed as there is no track time to fine tune the car.
I’ll add the proverbial spanner in the works but all that’s changed is that Ferrari have replaced Mercedes. Otherwise it’s as it was, the gaps between the leading cars and the slowest is just as huge🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
That's not really true. The drivers don't like how heavy the cars are, but they are easier to follow. The real indication will come once we start to see the updates in Barcelona and mid season. The idea is the cars require more skill by the driver, and being stiffer, they react over the kerbs more. They also look quite visually different (at the moment). The budget cap and aero restrictions will start to have an impact, and prevent the positive feedback loop of the hybrid era.
I stopped wearing hats...but I take my hat off the F1 for 22s cars it great that these young kids have to learn how an what a draft is....wait when drafting vanish...it don't matter its baaaacckkk
The bouncing/porpoising is more likely to lead to brain damage rather than physical injury.
Where are all the Peter haters now. Who else brings F1 engineers on like Peter does. Those muppets like to come on your comments section and act like they are F1 pundits.
This video must be painful for them 😆
Mercedes spent 100 billions on the engines , dampers and suspensions. They were buying championships just like Ferrari was. Those days are over. Bye bye Mercedes
Stay tuned for a Mercedes come back.
2026, active aero?
oh no, please dont go back to narrow cars to save weight. This wide one look sexy as hell. You just could mandate a maximun lenght.
Peter people seem to be confused by the ability to follow closely for 50 laps with the improved ability to overtake. I have checked 4 races and found there aren't more overtakes. IMOLA 2021 17 overtakes Imola 2022 15 overtakes, Australia 2019 3 overtakes, Australia 2022 5 overtakes. When you look at the overtakes that are happening this year a few are because of poor tyre warm up nothing to do with the ability to follow closely. What the new regs have achieved are ridicoulsy bouncy unstable cars that can't race properly, yet. I assume this will be fixed at some point. Its obvicous there should have been more on track test sessions to check out the performance of the cars after such a massive regulation change. I think every one should stop patting themselves on the back.
Being able to follow closely in DRS chains actually makes it harder to overtake. When you could only follow for a couple of laps you did not get 6 car DRS chains (TSU-STR-OCO-ALB-GAS-HAM) like we had at IMOLA, eventually TSU over took MAG on lap 47 but the rest followed nose to tail until the end.
F1 is about lining the cars up in pace order and setting them off. Technically speaking there shouldn't really be much overtaking. You need the lead car to make an error in order to get overtakes.
The fact that the cars can follow closely is a godsend. Hamilton chasing Gasly for 40 odd-laps and not once being told to slow down and look after the tyres. Relentless.
Looked to me like the RB and Ferrari could "race properly" at Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and in the Imola sprint. But yeah, you are comparing seasons when they had YEARS of data on how to optimise their cars, with this season, where they have less testing than 2019, and brand new philosophy and tyres.
The Merc is ridiculously bouncy. They could reduce that bouncing if they further cut performance - they just don't want to. As for more testing - this is the dead end that hybrid has taken us; testing had to be limited because smaller teams couldn't afford the mileage, which lead to more CFD/tunnel work, which lead to correlation issues. And F1 being the greedy entity it is, would rather squeeze in extra races in countries with poor human rights records than allow extra testing time.
Just watched Bahrain 2021 and 2022.
Bahrain 2021 overtakes 23
Bahrain 2022 overtakes 24, however 6 of those were LEC slowing down to allow VER to pass so he could pass under DRS out of the corner.
new rules = bouncy undrivable cars that follow close but no more overtaking
@@Ruylopez778 The point is that after the first race and subsequently those that came up with the rules were saying how much of a difference they have made. That is not the case, it maybe in future. I think the ability to follow closely forming DRS chains may actually harm overtaking. in 2021 you didn't get a train of cars 0.5 sec apart.
To me, porpoising was an oversight pure and simple-yet entirely predictable from past ground effects eras. It doesn't seem like an "interesting" technology problem at all, but instead an engineering resources slog hog.
It seems to be causing discomfort verging on injury for drivers, and all that bounciness has got to eventually cause a nasty high speed braking shunt. A decidedly mixed benefit. That's my take on this effort. Looks to me like they're just jawboning it best they can and trying their best to kick the can as hard as they can. Last year it was crummy officiating. This year, a silly looking technical gaffe.
...from whom does the FIA receive its license...?
Latifi : it's not working very well
Replace it with He and you have Latifi’s job performance review.
Thanks Peter. I must admit I find it hard to see the new regs as successful when we had better on-track battling last year... though time will tell. I am baffled as to why the FIA would let the cars continue to porpoise (it just looks amateur, bringing the sport close to disrepute, and is bad PR for F1 and the great technical ability of the design engineers, - driving them must also be truly awful). I am also disappointing that they are now saying that DRS is staying until 2026 (while it remains, the actual racing is so compromised - DRS has no place in F1 and it is simply a solid testament to the failure of the governing body to make the racing better).
The cars can indeed follow closer... and yet slip-streaming is poorer... and so DRS remains, and it often poorly tuned to individual tracks. Seemingly, all the FIA has done is produce rules that give random results with different teams going better at different tracks. Maybe in a year's time the cars will not bounce and it will be sorted. However, experts said the bouncing would go within a couple of races - the same experts that couldn't foresee the problem in the first place - and they are experts - thus the claim of randomness, and confirmation of it, in the performance of different teams on different weekends. I am now watching 5 minutes of highlights only, and this channel too - that''s it. How many other racers and fans are walking out F1's door right now?
Imagine a racing category trying to achieve good racing lol
Everyone with their ideas about reinventing the f1 wheel. F1 wouldnt be F1 without the individuality between cars and teams. Leave them and the sport alon
Great interview. Not convincing on DRS. What is the justification to give the following driver a free pass? Just seems anti competitive.
I wonder if all the drivers are back to starving themselves to make weight.
Put the cars on a diet. Cut the lenght by half a meter.
Just get rid of DRS . Didn't need before and the best drivings got passed .
Is Hamilton the second driver now if similar performance continues in Miami?
Go away fanboy. Irrelevant question.
I think if neither of them are fighting for the championship you don’t really have a no 1 and 2 right? No need to.
@@Rimpreza
He’s just a fanboy troll. Look at his comments, every single one on different videos saying the same thing.
@@W0lf_91 ok thanks. Won’t bother replying anymore 😅
Formally no wouldn’t happen.
But if that happens expect teamorders if Russel is behind him with fresher tyres.
Are the new regs disadvantaging Lewis' subtle driving inputs?
No because Charles also has subtle driving inputs
At the moment I think it’s more their own car. It’s so uncomfortable to drive that you can’t know yet if the new specs don’t suit him.
@@Rimpreza fair point but we can’t look over that George is currently doing an better job with this midfield car.
This car does not belong on the podium but Lewis’s performance last Sunday is not him at his best either.
That he is shielded for all blame with his teammate finishing 10 places ahead is just weird.
@@1barnet1 all the credit to George for defending but he made up most of the positions on lap 1 turn 1
@@1barnet1 oh I totally agree with you there. They treat him like a diva. Don’t want to put him down, but they do. For whatever reason, he’s not performing well. Guess if it stays like that, they’ll have to acknowledge it
The regs are not working ..still only two cars can win
Lewy was whining about the “new” race controller not enabling DRS when he couldn’t get by Gasly
Masi probably would have hit the switch but Toto and Lewy had him punted
That’s karma baby!!!
If DRS and wide tracks existed back in the day, Gilles Villeneuve would never had a chance at Jarama. These two elements have eliminated the sublime skill of defending the lead. We'll never witness such a master class as what Gilles did ever again.
F1 has gone from the thoroughbreds of motor sport to monkeys riding kangaroos, not good enough for the "pinnacle" of motorsport
We need DRS. It came into being because of no overtaking. Imola is just a rubbish track for overtaking. Always has been.
Didn`t we have the word bouncing? Porpoising sounds like purposing or porn posing and it`s an ugly word.
Porpoising is a term that was used in aviation previous to motor racing.
Dear me.
Yeah I think it was fine at first but if I ever see a porpoise at sea I’m just going to roll my eyes at it
Humping the track
Don't take the suspension away from them. Do the following instead. 1- Drop the engine down to 1 litre. 2- Reduce the size of those new wheels to 16 inch because the 18 is too ridiculously large for a formula 1 car. 3- Reduce the length of the cars by half a metre from where they are now. 4- Reduce the floor and bodywork width down to 1800mm. 5- Reduce the overall width with the tyres to 1900mm. 6- Reduce the width of the tyres down by 50mm each and that should get the weight down to 700kg with the driver. Also make sure the cockpit has room for tall drivers of up to 2 metres in height.
the best part of this video was the ending for sure
As Enzo Ferrari said aerodynamics is for people that don't know how to make proper engines.
Ban ground fx, or allow skirts, these regs go against the whole evolution of open wheelers. Increasing ride height to solve vertical oscillation?? This is going backwards, Pete!!
Porposing is a 40 yr old problem, Ross knew that going in.
We are trying to rectify a problem that couldnt be done, other than putting skirts on.
But ride height is evolution as to why they are great cars over last couple decades. Why do we want to go in reverse?
Ross Brawn - OUT!!
I will focus my attention on Super Formula races, sadly.
Active suspension would probably solve the problem.
Bouncing cars doesn’t give the best drivers a level playing field. So for me the race is in the design office which in the end makes it less interesting.
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The damp conditions made....more BS damp racing was always more exciting but not this time ,the cars are ungainly to heavy and not alert enough,what’s the point of being able to follow iff you can’t manouver the car and overtake.
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@@Marc98338 did you see last year..??????
Too big, too heavy. Not sure I like what I am seeing.
Ah stop blowing your own horn because it’s not even true ,the same trains and no overtakes without DRS in the last grand prix so again stop the horn blowing and go back to the drawing board,iff the rules had staid the same ,there would have been more action in the last races and probably a four way fight.PR shouldn’t be done by self the actions spoke loader than rhis BS
The damp conditions made the track narrower then it already is. Then the race control didn’t have DRS active for most of the race.
In the sprint race there were some quality moves on an dry track.
If there is an dry racing line but damp track it becomes really easy to defend.
@@1barnet1 the cars are too heavy ungainly unmanouverable making F1 like GT racing ,trains of cars following closely but stuck behind one another none the less ,blowing their own horn ,dont blame the rain people sed to pray for it to get some excitement,boring
Max has no problem overtaking an other fast car , Hamilton has problems overtaking slow cars , so the brits want to change the rules 😁😁
@@supertjeduc ,m not a brit ,max had no problem over taking last year ,no one mentioned changing anything I don’t have that power ,the new cars suck too heavy that’s all
Fixing the hole that created a car design where purposing is now a major problem for most all teams. Change for the sake of change appears to be the agenda for the brain trusts of the FIA. Geek squad sitting around the "Round Table" to see what they come up with to make the racing "more competitive".but have failed to accomplish the objective. Brilliant !!
purposing?
The new regs are so far, very disappointing…I have very little confidence in Ross Brawn as a guiding principal for the sport.
Dude is so dry
Fire these guys and girls. The damage to the image of F1 regarding porpoising, and the weak sauce backpedaling by the FIA in the fans eyes is a disaster. Add in, the harm posed to the drivers is unacceptable.
This better get resolved within a few races or the long term damage to F1 will take a decade to repair, if ever.
Who besides Mercedes is really having a problem?
Fire Mercedes engineers for thinking they could make their small sidepod philosophy work without thinking about how wobbly it would make their floor. Also while compromising their PU for other teams
That's quite a unique opinion. There are teams who do not suffer from porpoising at all, so from their perspective there's nothing to resolve and no harm being done. The worst hit teams have the ability to resolve their bouncing issues tomorrow, but its at the expense of performance so they simply choose not to. There's no damage to F1's image happening because of that.
@@michaeldellorso889
Well, everyone really. Not one of the drivers have said they enjoy the new cars; the contrary in fact. Heavy and unenjoyable to drive. I guess the counter point to that is if these cars can follow better, it should in theory produce better racing.
Is that the case though, really, 4 races in?
Is the racing better than it was? I’m not so sure at all.
@@W0lf_91 well the racing has been far more enjoyable to watch and the cars can follow much closer. Which were the objectives of these new rules.
So they have done their job well. I agree with the current FIA intentions that in 2026 we have to start looking at making the cars smaller and lighter again.
But in terms of aerodynamics the sport seems to be on the right track. That someone’s favorite team and driver failed to perform well makes them angry is just an form of fanboyism we have to wave away and ignore.
Opinionated Dyslexic
That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read.
The top priority for Mercedes right now is to get Hamilton to that 8th drivers championship. There is literally nothing else more important than that. If he gets an 8th, Mercedes goes down in the record books alongside Hamilton. You're deluded. Hamilton has enough excuses up his sleeve for his garbage driving this year. He doesn't need your help.
From Fitzroy You Troll and Gremlin Opinionated Dyslexic I am a driver but I have never driven a racing car and I keeping it real here is you that is rubbishing Lewis Hamilton driving what do you really know about a formula 1 racing car more than you see it on TV Toto Wolff apologize for a reason people from all over the world see how Toto Wolff and Mercedes help George Russell over Lewis Hamilton the FIA was force to change the whole rule of formula 1 because no one could defeat Lewis Hamilton, so the FIA fix the race to make Max Verstappen world champion that what we all saw
All of Mercedes strategy is use to keep George Russell in front of Lewis Hamilton
And so far George Russell is very lucky he is in the right place at the right time when there is an accident George Russell capitalize on it and Mercedes extreme sidepods is the major problem and not the driver.
Hamilton won’t get his 8th title this season.
He is already far behind and the car won’t become the best car overnight.
The just have to understand why it doesn’t work and then do an better job and then focus on the next season.
@@1barnet1
I agree, I don’t think he will either.
BUT.
If they somehow, miraculously, fix their issues and unlock the potential and can fight within the next 2-3 races, I think they could still be in it, judging by what happened last season when a Red Bull were miles ahead.
I can’t see them fixing it quickly though, if at all.