correct, and humans, dwarves, and gnomes are titan made that got cursed by old gods to have flesh, humans though I need to add on to as they became the Vrykrul and later on suffered a deformity which caused humans. So humans are deformed Vrykrul.
Nice job! I love how even though we both took on very similar challenges, the fact we interpreted the rules slightly differently actually changed a ton about how our runs played out, especially at the start of the missions. I focused on not giving commands to non archers, while you focused on not dealing damage with non archers, which was a surprisingly even tradeoff. Sometimes you could use human bodies to destroy a base early that I couldn't possibly have hoped to take out, while I was able to better defend early attacks since I just wasn't worrying about whether a unit would accidentally swing. You got paladin healing while I got to attack with peasants. I love how you beat level 11, not just with only Alleria, but also deathless! You also did some starts in tides that I just passed over, assuming they were impossible. I attempted Grim Batol with only archers and peasants, but couldn't do it. Your strategy for Tyr's hand was absolutely brilliant, and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of going around the side to fight that cannon tower in Alterac. I just glossed over Tides in my run, but I should have spent some more time on it, because apparently there were some interesting strategies there after all that I didn't think of!
oh yeah absolutely, I think without either of our compromises it would be impossible like tides 14 how the hell are we supposed to take that beach with only archers. Im glad I didnt watch your video first too so I wouldn't learn any of your strats. Thats the beauty of these retro runs though! no leaderboard or trophy just ways to torture ourselves :P thanks for continuing to be a part of the community too btw! I think we are the best War2 campaign content creators on the market ;)
That was retconned in WoW later, though...the ballista model used in WC2 is only elven (from Quel'thalas)..inderd in WoW, humans and dwarves don't use that kind of siege weapon anywhere. While there's literally two ballistas in front of the gate of Silvermoon (and they are red and have the symbol of the Blood Elves on them)
36:00 It was the other way around. The Elves are a species of Trolloid who were changed by the Well of Eternity. This however does mean that unfortunately for Elves Only(ish)*, Not all Trolls are Elves, even if all Elves are Trolls. Considering Elves and their typical way of acting in fantasy, it is a surprisingly fitting taxonomy for them. Good News, if you ever decide to do an All Trolls Run, any time you get access to Elves, they are entirely valid to use! The Bad News? That's a big fat No Times as the Horde. *Which is not to be confused with Only Fish, which is clearly the name of a random Naga Brothel. :P....Which BTW Since Naga are Elves mutated by N'Zoth, that means Nagas are ALSO Trolls. Which is fitting considering the total BS that is their entire faction roster in Frozen Throne.
aha I had no idea how complicated the trolls lore was, always thought they were just other greenskin creatures that just lived in the woods! It is too bad there are no elves in the orc campaign that +3 damage is prettttty handy for elves, an no Zuljin or other troll heroes! Alleria carried me this time. They are like us in which a lot of us can trace ancestry back to Genghis Khan or some such ahah.
@@Admiral_Iddy Here's some troll lore if you're interested. Or let's say what Blizz made out of it. Of course back in the day nothing was fleshed out like that. ua-cam.com/video/5unleH-erAA/v-deo.html
oh and concerning Level 7 in the expansion, could you have plowed your way through to the nest with sappers? After all it's kinda like using transports since they're just used to pass obstructed terrain.
looks like you cant make sappers in the level as you cannot upgrade to a keep but I guess you could make the argument for using sappers at other points in the game. Already had someone complain I used peasants since they arent elves so I can imagine the debate for dwarves haha@@Jashinthegiant
@@Admiral_Iddytrolls are pretty much the dominant native race to azeroth, though they have taken countless losses to foreign races to azeroth making them much weaker, and to the elves who are trolls made from being too close to well of eternity, elves like the blood elves are currently entirely on old troll land of the Amani empire. Amani still hate them to do this day, to the point that if an invasion ever occurred by the alliance, the Amani would attack the blood elves as well. The reason why humans have magic is actually due to the trolls, the Amani empire was doing what they always do which is trying to kill blood elves, and the blood elves(high elves at the time) needed an ally so they offered to teach 100 human to become mages from the arathor empire which was forming. Said mages and the elves would go on to lead the Amani empire into a trap where they would cast a great firestorm to destroy the Amani, and that is why the Amani are still shit to this day. Theirs a pretty good artwork of the firestorm if you want to look it up. Troll related lore is very deep, but it's mostly a lot of failures, they only get the occasional win or near win.
I love these challenges and how you play! You actually made me buy that game and now I do see why it's good despite being old. Thanks for that and great content, looking forward to seeing more!
Thanks so much! Happy to hear you are enjoying the game and my vids! Its awesome its available on GOG.com now too, for an old game it plays and feels surprisingly good!
Elves... Only with all the upgrades will they be dealing slightly more dps than footmen and knights....only against buildings that is. I think they are really meant as defenders behind a wall. Way to underpowered. Nice video. I love these kind of challenges.
They even have the same green fletchings! It would be cool if you could see a lil guy on the tower or something but I think in the manual its a human archer :( but shh nobody needs to know
@@ReD-zc3uu ooh good point, haha might be an argument to be made that I can do elves only in the orc campaign! Haha probably some deep lore in there about orc archers or some such but my head canon says otherwise 😂
@@Admiral_Iddyhmm idk much about orc archers but they do have one really powerful hunter named rexxar who is an orc other than him i dont think orcs have any range famous heroes, I can't remember if he used a bow or throwing axes though, I looked it up and I read both depending on game/lore place. If im not mistaken I think in wow the orcs on watch towers typically are bow users when they use range. The horde always used non orcs for range in most of the games, such as trolls with throwing weapons and Taurens are actually gun users.
Right?! I wonder how many other people discovered this or just ran in to quell them. Really makes you wonder the potential for other uses for the AI in other missions! Strange how it was a one off, when you could have some really cool interactions
@@Admiral_Iddy In that case, I simply must share a secret about something similar with you. It's about Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos. What I managed to find out is that in the third Orc mission on Kalimdor, if you destroy a single building or kill a single unit of Grom, he and his forces will become permanently hostile and will come at you with all their might. Also, if you try to build anything on Grom's base, he and his forces will attack and destroy it, while staying allied to you.
Great Video Admiral. I had no doubts about you making this one work. As far as me and my brother are concerned, You beat Deathwing with only elven units (ships in this case) and the nest would have gone down next if there was a path. It's not your fault that the game cut you off from that building. Anyone of us who watch you consider that: it is fair to bend the rules if there is absolutly no way to beat the level or chalange otherwise. Considering that you did everything in your might to use Elven units only, I say you have completed the chalange perfectly. Peace!
Archer design in WC2 is so wild. Cheapest unit in the game, weakest by a long shot, insanely expensive upgrade path gets them to merely mediocre support units... hard-counter the ultimate unit in the game.
I feel like the devs expected them to be way better than they were like why have 7200 bux of upgrades for a meh unit? Yet one deathknight or a bunch of ogres instawin haha. The human archer from war1 laughs at the elves haha
I think I actually did it with fairly reasonable casualties, given the circumstances ahah too bad the elves get screwed over by garithos when things fall apart haha
@@Admiral_Iddy you misunderstand me. A good elf is a dead elf. Your initial assesment of elves in fantasy missed one spot, all elves, in all fictions, are essentially arrogant assholes, so dead elf =good elf
@@Admiral_Iddydid it better than the elves in their last war in lore, their war in the most up to date version had their homeland burnt down for night elves.
Nice video, one thing I've wondered about is whether you could have some kind of RTS that did with fantasy what Empire Earth did with history. So you could start out with elves, orks, humans etc. in a more primordial state, then evolve to medieval fantasy, then Renaissance fantasy, then industrial fantasy, then modern fantasy and then combine fantasy and sci-fi at the end.
@@Admiral_Iddy That sounds about right, although I've never seen 'Bright' so I can't say for sure. It would certainly be interesting to see and maybe Shadiversity would have some ideas as to what kind of modern weapons the fantasy races would use; whether Orks focus on shotguns and LMGs while Elves spec into sniper builds. Still, bringing Doomhammer would certainly give some variety to D-Day levels.
Hey man! Just wanted to say it's nice to see your channel grow. I like your style and content, it feels very personal und neatly explained. All the best and I am eager to see how you will branch out 😊
thanks bro that means a lot! Im still flabbergasted it has grown the way it has! Never thought it would happen. Going to try my hand at a retrospective next I think :) then maybe try battle for middle earth deathless...hopefully that hasnt been done yet!
Watched every stream (not live, just like videos). And now im watching this video. You have done a lot of work, congrats with the win. Also like tour other challenges and just strategy roulletes Also, i can explain how deathcoil works. It is aoe 5×5 spell. When you cast it, it does 50 damage to the lowest health target. If the target dies, it deals the remaining damage to the second lowest health enemy and etc (like, if you cast it on 3 units with 10, 20 and 50 health, it would kill 10 and 20 health ones, and deal 20 damage to the 50-health one). Also, it heals the caster (dk) to the damage done. And yes, it does damage only when the coil reaches the area, so thats why you had problems with casting it yourself
7:40 why does😂 everyone in Fantasy setting videos say "They get plunked into the shadow realm" instead of 😅 you know... GETTING KILLLLLLED?? This is not Yu-Gu-Oh , or Age Of Wonders 2 Shadow Magic😅😅😅
I always wondered why archers / trolls are so expensive to upgrade. But than in the end the unit kinda is for killing the fliers first and foremost i guess.
Third time watching this so far. Absolutely impressed by your Alleria micro to beat exp 11. I remember HATING that map because I always waited too long to fight. I'm gonna try some of these crazy strats next time, see how it goes.
Wow! Thanks for watching and glad you enjoy it! With terry's supple body it definitely helps haha exploiting the AI is the name of the game force them repairs and knock out farms
yeah he beat me to the punch but he did use his melee units to fight a few times, where I used em to take damage for me haha so I like to think we did this differently enough from each other. But now people have 2 archer runs to enjoy! :) thanks for supporting us both!
@@Admiral_Iddy yeah, he did "archers", and you did "elven units" to include the ships. But some of the strats were different AND the obscure interactions were interesting, like that "orcs VS rebels" , so I'm definitely glad you still did your own take of this challenge.
oh absolutely, I didnt want to step on his toes either so I didnt watch his video until after I was done mine, was cool to see how we approached different situations. That rebel peasant stuff was wild i really wish they made more missions where enemies fought each other! so many more dynamic objectives@@magentaballthepolandball5130
@@Admiral_Iddy Definitely. Having an ally for a mission or two would also be cool, it'd definitely add variance. One of the few flaws wc2 and sc share is that most of the mission objectives are "destroy everything", with the occasional "move unit X to position Y"
On the surface, that's true, but there's a lot in this video that wasn't in mine. We approached the rules of the challenge slightly differently, which changed a lot about how the most interesting parts of missions played out. I was more focused on not giving commands to melee units while Iddy was focused on not dealing damage with other units, which changed the way a ton of levels actually began. He also found a few strategies I didn't think of and pulled off a couple of strategies I wasn't able to, particularly in missions 7, 8, and 11 in Tides. We also approached a lot of levels super differently in general, and I at least found these differences fascinating!
Instead of receiving the contents of a mine you kill, I think it would be cool if you could only take the gold out if it wasn't too damaged. Adds a cool interference dimension, and makes a certain amount of sense that you can't send miners in until it's safe.
Thats a cool idea too! I always wondered why they gave mines health since starcraft and war3 you couldnt attack them, would be a neat feature in a different game sabotaging resources
@@duncancameron6342 whats neat is a guy I know Ed Gorod has made some custom war2 campaigns with skins n voice acting and dwarves can actually mine cliffs for gold basically like they would chop lumber! Really cool
@@Admiral_Iddythat’s Cool I like that idea, I always thought it would have been great if they updated Warcraft 2, even made a new expansion for it with new features like Dwarves mining cliffs and also new units and spells etc. And new campaigns with 3 factions fighting each other. But I guess for now custom campaigns are the next best thing. How can we play that custom campaign you mentioned, I would like to play it dude it.
Your commenting and editing are great! I loved the Saving (Sailing?) Private Legolas joke. Quick comment on level 13, you had 3 knights selected at the start, the fourth one attacked an ogre. Sorry to point it out... Edit: I just rewatched and it was not selectable! Was that Lothar?
Sailing! Dam I wish I had thought of that Sailing Private Legolas sounds way better haha :) and yes ollll Lothar is always going to be a thorn in my side regardless of runs since he is uncontrollable
As always, love the WC2 challenge videos. One nitpick - you say you didn't want to use cannon towers because elves wouldn't use cannons, but the destroyers don't exactly shoot arrows...
Man, I absolutely loved cool fantasy elves as a kid, gimme Glorfindel warping reality and Age of Wonders elven cavalry charging full-speed through the forests. It's a real shame how they are often memed these days thanks to some lame tropes and poor writing. I also wonder if you could theoretically bait Deathwing's attacks to kill the nest while running away to heal, but that sounds like actual torture.
That was the ONLY thing in Peter Jacksons Lotr that threw me for a loop at first, how arwen replaced Glorfindel after weathertop he is the ultimate elf chad. Ohhh I see what you mean, use Kurdran to soak hits? that could be possible actually but yeah thinking about the time it would take to heal in between bouts would be madness! Good idea though.
Have you considered a no-build WC2 run? (Other than the initial build farms/barracks of course). Seeing what you pulled off here, it might be possible. Maybe no-building units, still allowed to build buildings.
Just curious, do you know if there is a way to set the ai in the mail editor so that they will fight both you and other ai? I'm making my own campain like series of levels and my idea was that you'd fight orcs and humans at the same time because the humans had imprisoned their chieftain and you rescue the chieftain in the next mission. After that the orcs go nuts and would ayano both the enemy ai and the player. I saw how in level 8 of tides that the ai fought each other and the player, so I was wondering how to set that up in the map editor.
@@t2link737 i personally do not know, that sounds interesting though I do know a guy who mods warcraft 2 with custom sprites, sounds and even weather effects his name on twitch is dannyidd if anyone would know it would be him! Im just a humble peasant haha
Dont sell yourself short! I wasnt the first to do it either 😁 its actually quite hard to do anything on youtube that hasnt already been done, if you are looking to make a video then make it anyway! People like different things and you might bring something to the table I didnt. Im making a battle for middle earth vid now and am hoping noone has done that yet so I feel your frustration for sure
@@Admiral_Iddy Thanks, i doubt i am going to bring someone new to the table but knowing you are worrying about the same thing makes me feel a bit better, honestly i am mostly doing it because i made a joke with a friend about how much better Elves are then other Alliance units and how you can win with just elves, i hope your middle earth video works out, though i doubt my series will get close to 13K
Just wait until my Dwarves only run! haha jk without messing with the map editor it wouldnt be possible....or would it?! Luckily Elves wasnt as torturous as deathless so I didnt go grey over it haah
The software I have for old roms actually has achievements but not warcraft! I would love to have em for the pc version it would give me more runs to do :)
I admit I do shift my allegiances between elves and dwarves often! Warhammer dwarves are probably the coolest of them no shade to lotr they are a close second 😉
In the lore, elves are trolls who were transformed from being close to the Well of Eternity. All elves from from troll descent in Warcraft
correct, and humans, dwarves, and gnomes are titan made that got cursed by old gods to have flesh, humans though I need to add on to as they became the Vrykrul and later on suffered a deformity which caused humans. So humans are deformed Vrykrul.
Nice job! I love how even though we both took on very similar challenges, the fact we interpreted the rules slightly differently actually changed a ton about how our runs played out, especially at the start of the missions. I focused on not giving commands to non archers, while you focused on not dealing damage with non archers, which was a surprisingly even tradeoff. Sometimes you could use human bodies to destroy a base early that I couldn't possibly have hoped to take out, while I was able to better defend early attacks since I just wasn't worrying about whether a unit would accidentally swing. You got paladin healing while I got to attack with peasants.
I love how you beat level 11, not just with only Alleria, but also deathless! You also did some starts in tides that I just passed over, assuming they were impossible. I attempted Grim Batol with only archers and peasants, but couldn't do it. Your strategy for Tyr's hand was absolutely brilliant, and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of going around the side to fight that cannon tower in Alterac. I just glossed over Tides in my run, but I should have spent some more time on it, because apparently there were some interesting strategies there after all that I didn't think of!
oh yeah absolutely, I think without either of our compromises it would be impossible like tides 14 how the hell are we supposed to take that beach with only archers. Im glad I didnt watch your video first too so I wouldn't learn any of your strats. Thats the beauty of these retro runs though! no leaderboard or trophy just ways to torture ourselves :P thanks for continuing to be a part of the community too btw! I think we are the best War2 campaign content creators on the market ;)
lore nerd here, the ballistas are an elven unit.
Some people in the chat mentioned that too, but I thought they would make things too easy, the people like the torture!
No. From wc2 manual, the ballista is a mix of human , elves and dwarf crafmanship
That was retconned in WoW later, though...the ballista model used in WC2 is only elven (from Quel'thalas)..inderd in WoW, humans and dwarves don't use that kind of siege weapon anywhere. While there's literally two ballistas in front of the gate of Silvermoon (and they are red and have the symbol of the Blood Elves on them)
36:00 It was the other way around. The Elves are a species of Trolloid who were changed by the Well of Eternity. This however does mean that unfortunately for Elves Only(ish)*, Not all Trolls are Elves, even if all Elves are Trolls. Considering Elves and their typical way of acting in fantasy, it is a surprisingly fitting taxonomy for them. Good News, if you ever decide to do an All Trolls Run, any time you get access to Elves, they are entirely valid to use! The Bad News? That's a big fat No Times as the Horde.
*Which is not to be confused with Only Fish, which is clearly the name of a random Naga Brothel. :P....Which BTW Since Naga are Elves mutated by N'Zoth, that means Nagas are ALSO Trolls. Which is fitting considering the total BS that is their entire faction roster in Frozen Throne.
aha I had no idea how complicated the trolls lore was, always thought they were just other greenskin creatures that just lived in the woods! It is too bad there are no elves in the orc campaign that +3 damage is prettttty handy for elves, an no Zuljin or other troll heroes! Alleria carried me this time. They are like us in which a lot of us can trace ancestry back to Genghis Khan or some such ahah.
@@Admiral_Iddy Here's some troll lore if you're interested. Or let's say what Blizz made out of it. Of course back in the day nothing was fleshed out like that.
ua-cam.com/video/5unleH-erAA/v-deo.html
oh and concerning Level 7 in the expansion, could you have plowed your way through to the nest with sappers? After all it's kinda like using transports since they're just used to pass obstructed terrain.
looks like you cant make sappers in the level as you cannot upgrade to a keep but I guess you could make the argument for using sappers at other points in the game. Already had someone complain I used peasants since they arent elves so I can imagine the debate for dwarves haha@@Jashinthegiant
@@Admiral_Iddytrolls are pretty much the dominant native race to azeroth, though they have taken countless losses to foreign races to azeroth making them much weaker, and to the elves who are trolls made from being too close to well of eternity, elves like the blood elves are currently entirely on old troll land of the Amani empire. Amani still hate them to do this day, to the point that if an invasion ever occurred by the alliance, the Amani would attack the blood elves as well.
The reason why humans have magic is actually due to the trolls, the Amani empire was doing what they always do which is trying to kill blood elves, and the blood elves(high elves at the time) needed an ally so they offered to teach 100 human to become mages from the arathor empire which was forming. Said mages and the elves would go on to lead the Amani empire into a trap where they would cast a great firestorm to destroy the Amani, and that is why the Amani are still shit to this day. Theirs a pretty good artwork of the firestorm if you want to look it up.
Troll related lore is very deep, but it's mostly a lot of failures, they only get the occasional win or near win.
I love these challenges and how you play! You actually made me buy that game and now I do see why it's good despite being old. Thanks for that and great content, looking forward to seeing more!
Thanks so much! Happy to hear you are enjoying the game and my vids! Its awesome its available on GOG.com now too, for an old game it plays and feels surprisingly good!
Elves...
Only with all the upgrades will they be dealing slightly more dps than footmen and knights....only against buildings that is.
I think they are really meant as defenders behind a wall. Way to underpowered.
Nice video. I love these kind of challenges.
Guard towers make sense to me with your head canon.
They even have the same green fletchings! It would be cool if you could see a lil guy on the tower or something but I think in the manual its a human archer :( but shh nobody needs to know
@@Admiral_Iddy So what about orcish towers? They also shoot arrows. Any alterac elves in these? XD
@@ReD-zc3uu ooh good point, haha might be an argument to be made that I can do elves only in the orc campaign! Haha probably some deep lore in there about orc archers or some such but my head canon says otherwise 😂
@@Admiral_Iddyhmm idk much about orc archers but they do have one really powerful hunter named rexxar who is an orc other than him i dont think orcs have any range famous heroes, I can't remember if he used a bow or throwing axes though, I looked it up and I read both depending on game/lore place. If im not mistaken I think in wow the orcs on watch towers typically are bow users when they use range.
The horde always used non orcs for range in most of the games, such as trolls with throwing weapons and Taurens are actually gun users.
@@damackabet.4611 Orc shamans use ranged magic if you count that. Also, everyone knows humans can't use bows anymore after WC 1.
I had no idea that those rebellious Alterac peasants from the eighth mission are NOT allied with the orcs! Who would have thought!
Right?! I wonder how many other people discovered this or just ran in to quell them. Really makes you wonder the potential for other uses for the AI in other missions! Strange how it was a one off, when you could have some really cool interactions
@@Admiral_Iddy In that case, I simply must share a secret about something similar with you. It's about Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos. What I managed to find out is that in the third Orc mission on Kalimdor, if you destroy a single building or kill a single unit of Grom, he and his forces will become permanently hostile and will come at you with all their might. Also, if you try to build anything on Grom's base, he and his forces will attack and destroy it, while staying allied to you.
9:52 calling them "whole" is a bit of an overstatement
Haha true, I guess it was more like .2 of an archer and a half of another haha just barely crawling through the finish line 😂
Great Video Admiral.
I had no doubts about you making this one work. As far as me and my brother are concerned, You beat Deathwing with only elven units (ships in this case) and the nest would have gone down next if there was a path. It's not your fault that the game cut you off from that building.
Anyone of us who watch you consider that: it is fair to bend the rules if there is absolutly no way to beat the level or chalange otherwise. Considering that you did everything in your might to use Elven units only, I say you have completed the chalange perfectly.
Peace!
Archer design in WC2 is so wild. Cheapest unit in the game, weakest by a long shot, insanely expensive upgrade path gets them to merely mediocre support units... hard-counter the ultimate unit in the game.
I feel like the devs expected them to be way better than they were like why have 7200 bux of upgrades for a meh unit? Yet one deathknight or a bunch of ogres instawin haha. The human archer from war1 laughs at the elves haha
Many elves died in this video.Which is good, but more could die too
I think I actually did it with fairly reasonable casualties, given the circumstances ahah too bad the elves get screwed over by garithos when things fall apart haha
@@Admiral_Iddy you misunderstand me.
A good elf is a dead elf. Your initial assesment of elves in fantasy missed one spot, all elves, in all fictions, are essentially arrogant assholes, so dead elf =good elf
Dead meme
@@Admiral_Iddydid it better than the elves in their last war in lore, their war in the most up to date version had their homeland burnt down for night elves.
Very insanely well done, especially with opting not to use ballistas!
That was pretty cool. I am more of a dwarf fan myself when it comes to the Alliance but the elves are pretty cool as well.
Okay ... the AI reacting like this on the first Beyond the Dark Portal mission .. that´s actually insane o.o
I know! I guess i have always killed the transport on my casual playthroughs but the game continues to surprise me!
Nice video, one thing I've wondered about is whether you could have some kind of RTS that did with fantasy what Empire Earth did with history.
So you could start out with elves, orks, humans etc. in a more primordial state, then evolve to medieval fantasy, then Renaissance fantasy, then industrial fantasy, then modern fantasy and then combine fantasy and sci-fi at the end.
Ooh that would be cool so you start in medieval fantasy and end modern day, kind of like that movie bright? Bad movie but super intriguing setting
@@Admiral_Iddy That sounds about right, although I've never seen 'Bright' so I can't say for sure. It would certainly be interesting to see and maybe Shadiversity would have some ideas as to what kind of modern weapons the fantasy races would use; whether Orks focus on shotguns and LMGs while Elves spec into sniper builds. Still, bringing Doomhammer would certainly give some variety to D-Day levels.
Really cool to see someone do the kind of stuff I always wanted to do when I played this years ago. Thanks for the awesome content!
thanks for the nice comment buddy! that means a lot, glad people are enjoying it, there will be more to come :)
Hey man! Just wanted to say it's nice to see your channel grow. I like your style and content, it feels very personal und neatly explained. All the best and I am eager to see how you will branch out 😊
thanks bro that means a lot! Im still flabbergasted it has grown the way it has! Never thought it would happen. Going to try my hand at a retrospective next I think :) then maybe try battle for middle earth deathless...hopefully that hasnt been done yet!
@@Admiral_Iddy i wouldn't worry about being "the first". If you aren't you can compare what you did differently and add some video material :)
Are you looking forwards to playing Chronicles of the Second War?
Already streamed it last night and wow what a project, probably the best warcraft content to come out since warcraft 3 og its soo good so far!
@@Admiral_Iddy Good to year. Will check later for a vod.
Awesome! It is reallllly good and I am even going to be voicing a character in the human campaign!!@@Tclans
This video is perfect for Christmas!
I hope it does bring joy to people 😊 thanks for watching!
Can't wait to see elven only orc campaign!
I found those rules sometimes must need to break very logical but not dishonoring
Love this format. You should try it in Warcrat 3 as well, given there is much more unity diversity.
Oh man, those elves literally just fill the mine with the arrows
Watched every stream (not live, just like videos). And now im watching this video. You have done a lot of work, congrats with the win. Also like tour other challenges and just strategy roulletes
Also, i can explain how deathcoil works. It is aoe 5×5 spell. When you cast it, it does 50 damage to the lowest health target. If the target dies, it deals the remaining damage to the second lowest health enemy and etc (like, if you cast it on 3 units with 10, 20 and 50 health, it would kill 10 and 20 health ones, and deal 20 damage to the 50-health one). Also, it heals the caster (dk) to the damage done. And yes, it does damage only when the coil reaches the area, so thats why you had problems with casting it yourself
Hell yeah! Thanks bro! I love the roulettes and variety streams too, thanks for watching 😀
@Admiral_Iddy I edited the comment a little bit about deathcoils
7:40 why does😂 everyone in Fantasy setting videos say "They get plunked into the shadow realm" instead of 😅 you know... GETTING KILLLLLLED?? This is not Yu-Gu-Oh , or Age Of Wonders 2 Shadow Magic😅😅😅
I love how auto-generated subtitles keep transcribing "Elves" as "L-s"
I always wondered why archers / trolls are so expensive to upgrade.
But than in the end the unit kinda is for killing the fliers first and foremost i guess.
Always love your content. It's quite good to see since I don't tend to come for livestreams.
Thanks! Livestreams arent for everyone so dont worry 😀 glad you are enjoying my vids!
Third time watching this so far. Absolutely impressed by your Alleria micro to beat exp 11. I remember HATING that map because I always waited too long to fight. I'm gonna try some of these crazy strats next time, see how it goes.
Wow! Thanks for watching and glad you enjoy it! With terry's supple body it definitely helps haha exploiting the AI is the name of the game force them repairs and knock out farms
''Harassed by pickles'' lmao
Lovely video
It's a shame redwings13400 did "archers only" before you, but watching this was still a blast
yeah he beat me to the punch but he did use his melee units to fight a few times, where I used em to take damage for me haha so I like to think we did this differently enough from each other. But now people have 2 archer runs to enjoy! :) thanks for supporting us both!
@@Admiral_Iddy yeah, he did "archers", and you did "elven units" to include the ships. But some of the strats were different AND the obscure interactions were interesting, like that "orcs VS rebels" , so I'm definitely glad you still did your own take of this challenge.
oh absolutely, I didnt want to step on his toes either so I didnt watch his video until after I was done mine, was cool to see how we approached different situations. That rebel peasant stuff was wild i really wish they made more missions where enemies fought each other! so many more dynamic objectives@@magentaballthepolandball5130
@@Admiral_Iddy Definitely. Having an ally for a mission or two would also be cool, it'd definitely add variance. One of the few flaws wc2 and sc share is that most of the mission objectives are "destroy everything", with the occasional "move unit X to position Y"
On the surface, that's true, but there's a lot in this video that wasn't in mine. We approached the rules of the challenge slightly differently, which changed a lot about how the most interesting parts of missions played out. I was more focused on not giving commands to melee units while Iddy was focused on not dealing damage with other units, which changed the way a ton of levels actually began. He also found a few strategies I didn't think of and pulled off a couple of strategies I wasn't able to, particularly in missions 7, 8, and 11 in Tides. We also approached a lot of levels super differently in general, and I at least found these differences fascinating!
I love the voice over narration. These videos are nice
Instead of receiving the contents of a mine you kill, I think it would be cool if you could only take the gold out if it wasn't too damaged. Adds a cool interference dimension, and makes a certain amount of sense that you can't send miners in until it's safe.
Thats a cool idea too! I always wondered why they gave mines health since starcraft and war3 you couldnt attack them, would be a neat feature in a different game sabotaging resources
@@Admiral_Iddy Would give dwarves an important mine-related role too!
@@duncancameron6342 whats neat is a guy I know Ed Gorod has made some custom war2 campaigns with skins n voice acting and dwarves can actually mine cliffs for gold basically like they would chop lumber! Really cool
@@Admiral_Iddythat’s Cool I like that idea, I always thought it would have been great if they updated Warcraft 2, even made a new expansion for it with new features like Dwarves mining cliffs and also new units and spells etc. And new campaigns with 3 factions fighting each other. But I guess for now custom campaigns are the next best thing. How can we play that custom campaign you mentioned, I would like to play it dude it.
@@Wil_Dsense there is links to my campanign in his discord
I had a great time watching this live. I still wonder how many elves perished during this challenge.
As I was exporting I thought about putting the scoreboards up for people to see haha but it was far less than I expected
Mod the campaign to have all dwarven units unlocked on every stage and do a kamikaze run.
Your commenting and editing are great! I loved the Saving (Sailing?) Private Legolas joke.
Quick comment on level 13, you had 3 knights selected at the start, the fourth one attacked an ogre. Sorry to point it out...
Edit: I just rewatched and it was not selectable! Was that Lothar?
Sailing! Dam I wish I had thought of that Sailing Private Legolas sounds way better haha :) and yes ollll Lothar is always going to be a thorn in my side regardless of runs since he is uncontrollable
As always, love the WC2 challenge videos. One nitpick - you say you didn't want to use cannon towers because elves wouldn't use cannons, but the destroyers don't exactly shoot arrows...
The destroyers are called Elven Destroyers though
No cannon towers, elves don't use cannons!.... unless it's on a boat.
Man, I absolutely loved cool fantasy elves as a kid, gimme Glorfindel warping reality and Age of Wonders elven cavalry charging full-speed through the forests. It's a real shame how they are often memed these days thanks to some lame tropes and poor writing.
I also wonder if you could theoretically bait Deathwing's attacks to kill the nest while running away to heal, but that sounds like actual torture.
That was the ONLY thing in Peter Jacksons Lotr that threw me for a loop at first, how arwen replaced Glorfindel after weathertop he is the ultimate elf chad. Ohhh I see what you mean, use Kurdran to soak hits? that could be possible actually but yeah thinking about the time it would take to heal in between bouts would be madness! Good idea though.
Have you considered a no-build WC2 run? (Other than the initial build farms/barracks of course). Seeing what you pulled off here, it might be possible. Maybe no-building units, still allowed to build buildings.
Great video - fun watch :)
thanks so much! happy holidays!
Just curious, do you know if there is a way to set the ai in the mail editor so that they will fight both you and other ai? I'm making my own campain like series of levels and my idea was that you'd fight orcs and humans at the same time because the humans had imprisoned their chieftain and you rescue the chieftain in the next mission. After that the orcs go nuts and would ayano both the enemy ai and the player. I saw how in level 8 of tides that the ai fought each other and the player, so I was wondering how to set that up in the map editor.
@@t2link737 i personally do not know, that sounds interesting though I do know a guy who mods warcraft 2 with custom sprites, sounds and even weather effects his name on twitch is dannyidd if anyone would know it would be him! Im just a humble peasant haha
Thank you. :)
these graphics still look good
well now i feel stupid, i've been trying this myself but someone better already did it
Dont sell yourself short! I wasnt the first to do it either 😁 its actually quite hard to do anything on youtube that hasnt already been done, if you are looking to make a video then make it anyway! People like different things and you might bring something to the table I didnt. Im making a battle for middle earth vid now and am hoping noone has done that yet so I feel your frustration for sure
@@Admiral_Iddy Thanks, i doubt i am going to bring someone new to the table but knowing you are worrying about the same thing makes me feel a bit better, honestly i am mostly doing it because i made a joke with a friend about how much better Elves are then other Alliance units and how you can win with just elves, i hope your middle earth video works out, though i doubt my series will get close to 13K
Lets be honest, most of us boomer warcraft fans wanted to try archer / axeman only challenge purely because of how busted they were in WC 1 😂
only elves??
bro not all things were meant to be tried
Just wait until my Dwarves only run! haha jk without messing with the map editor it wouldnt be possible....or would it?! Luckily Elves wasnt as torturous as deathless so I didnt go grey over it haah
Anyone know where the warhammer high elf footage is from? I've never seen any cinematics/cut scenes like that
That would be warhammer total war! Probably the best warhammer fantasy game you can buy! Bit of an investment but one of my favourite games
I got the level 7 expansion done with only starting unit lol
wait,but the ship shoots canon balls...
Hmm that is true, perhaps they are cannon balls fired from ballistas below decks 😂 but im grasping at straws hah
This should be an achievement
The software I have for old roms actually has achievements but not warcraft! I would love to have em for the pc version it would give me more runs to do :)
While I love a beautiful female belly... I prefer my elven archers to be properly armored so their belly does not get bloody.
lol, you trippin, dwarves are obviously the superiour race
I admit I do shift my allegiances between elves and dwarves often! Warhammer dwarves are probably the coolest of them no shade to lotr they are a close second 😉
31:08 would have allowed to use dwarves to get to it 🤔
Unfortunately you cannot train dwarves in this level so I wouldnt be able to 🥲
@@Admiral_Iddy oh I see! It was the expansion so I thought you have access to all units. Oh well, still an incredible run!
NEVER TRUST AN ELF
But can you beat Red Alert 2 using only Elves?
Oh im early today
Did you also play Skyrim? Asking because you showed a picture of Altmers at the start. :)
Oh yeah Skyrim and I have a long history, I also liked the elves in Dragon Age Origins! Dalish especially@@Toennes
@@Admiral_IddyYes These also were cool. The TES Series is also really cool.