I was going to put that in my "cards you've never read before tribal" Muldrotha deck, but then I realized that I couldn't use it to counter red and white spells, so I didn't. It just feels like something you'd only play if you were the only blue deck at the table, but that'd never happen.
@@bodaciouschad You can still use it to counter Red and White spells, you just need ways to make that mana. Chromatic Lantern and similar effects let you tap lands for any color, along with being a colorless mana rock that taps for any color. You can run lands that tap for any color of mana like Mana Confluence, Transguild Promenade, or Exotic Orchard. Treasures are also becoming more common and Can make any color of mana. I understand that these don't really fit the theme of "card you never read before", but I am just giving the basic and obvious examples of ways to do get the mana you may need.
The cards been spoiled for a few days now... and only now do I realize the typing on the card is literally Urza's and Saga. I mean yeah makes sense but I still cant believe I missed that up until now...
It's such a cool subtype; it reminds me of the type line of Gingerbrute: Artifact Creature - Food Golem, since food is an artifact subtype and Golem a creature subtype, just like how Urza's is a land type and Saga an enchantment type
Okay I already knew this card was awesome and flavorful but I had absolutely NO IDEA exactly how deep it was!!! The type line making mechanical sense as well as being a lore reference blew my mind!
Really excited to see more of the artist's sketches for Modern Horizons II cards! I have such a love and respect for the artists of this game and it's so interesting and engaging to see their work as a process rather than a product on these new art treatments.
It's a really cool design. I even wasn't born when Urza's saga came out so it also feels like i am uncovering a story from long long time ago in the flavour and real life.
I love everything about this card! The callback, the flavor, the type line, the art- all just a complete delight. Can't wait to see more cards from the set! The sketch art idea is awesome too, and I hope more creative ways to include the artist such as this are done in the future. Re: the art description, pretty glad we didn't get nekkid Urza tho ;)
I was hoping you would’ve talked a little more about how the card plays (e.g., “gains” means as long as the card is in play, so you can make multiple karnstructs or add mana repeatedly-even in your main phase in response to the last chapter ability)
So far I've found (medium to high confidence) 1) The Touchstone above Urza's head. (Urza's notes) 2) The JuJu Bubble between the top of Urza's staff and the light call-out. 3) A Powerstone, likely the one expelled by Glacian, containing his spark, that later separated into Mightsone and Weakstone just below Urza's arm. 4) The symbol for Powerstone, likely taken from Worn Powerstone, in the little gold circle that's extending form Urza's armpit. 5) The book symbol on the line extending from Urza's arm, likely a reference to Thran Tome 6) Stylized wings, which may be from Weatherlight, but are likely from Urza's original Ornithopter design, slightly to his left beneath the powerstone. Not noticed by me: 1) The Amulet of Kroog, fading next to Urza's feet. 2) The weatherlight in the bottom-right corner. Things that I'm unsure about: 1) The Sailboat-style triangles above Urza. They resemble LIngering Mirage, which might reference the return to Tolaria after the sundering. I feel iike there's another card that fits better, but I can't think of it. 2) Urza's mark, which he uses to brand Karn, doesn't seem to be in a prominent place, but may be between the waxing quarter and the waxing crescent. 3) The waxing moon decal may be in reference to the Null Moon, which Urza supercharged with white mana. 4) There's a lot more here that I expect are there but maybe cannot see: -- references to the bloodlines project, Karn, Xantcha, and even direct references to Mishra / Phyrexia.
I look forward to these segments Gavin, thanks for sharing this knowledge and insight. Seeing the detail and effort that goes into each card by a team of caring professionals is fascinating. While I may not understand some card decisions on the surface, each segment shows how thoughtfully curated the cards and lore actually are. Getting this glimpse helps to appreciate how complex this must be. A question if I may: On power creep - does the existence of high powered, non-banned cards in historic formats inform a gradual rise to meet and level out the playing field, or is creep more of a case of slowly increasing headroom for design possibilities? I was just thinking of how a card like Balduvian Hordes used to be top tier, haha.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this card expressly printed incorrectly? It's an Enchantment Land, yet its subtypes are Land Enchantment - Urza's and Saga. Clearly it ought to be Saga Urza's!
Can you clear up if Urza’s Saga can get X or XX artifacts? (Walking Ballista, Chalice of the Void, Engineered Explosives, etc) Given your definition, (0:02:36) I’m assuming not as they’re not 1 or 0 in the cost? Just wanted to clear it up! Thanks Gavin! ☺️
Question regarding this set: Is the design team looking at past and present Modern deck archetypes when they design new cards and/or make Legacy cards legal in Modern, or is the primary focus on Limited and Commander?
You should have used a brand new frame in Time Spiral Remastered for say Ugin the Spirit Dragon. That would have been a sweet chase card for the set. Maybe have the Future Sight frame with an 8 on the left hand corner. Could have even used Liliana of the Veil or Jace the Mind Sculptor with an "old" frame. What would an "old" frame look like for a Planeswalker? That's what's so cool about the idea.
I said it once, I say it again. This card is good! Too good. I can't see a reason not to run it in every commander deck. It fetches to much good stuff... Next arcane Signet? But I loooove the flavour...
My guess is a museum on Tolaria West. The exhibit's only up for three turns; can't expose the manuscript to too much light. But be sure to get something from our gift shop on your way out!
The comment section is super positive and i don't want to be that guy, but this seems so busted, a land that gets you sol ring on turn 3. It will go in every commander deck and it might even be good in modern whether its finding expedition maps or gravediggers cages.
Not gonna lie, it took me way too long to realise the sketch version was an alternate art print and not just the person who posted the spoiler to Reddit deep-frying the original xd
@@GoodMorningMagic It's one of my favourite cards from the set! Two of them with playsets of Priest of Titania, Quirion Ranger and Llanowar Elves made a mean deck back then!
Possible Legacy easter eggs? : Touchstone left of urzas head, thran tome below urzas feet and silouette of karns face right of urzas robe? Another of the golden circles seem to have a triangle, could be the thran forge. Also 2 of the Bones of Ramos just above the down right corner (:
DAMN how much I love flavour! This card is so cool! And there is already discussion about it being playable in legacy, which is so cool! I only found the Weatherlight as an easter egg though :(
I believe I saw other parts of the Legacy: Touchstone just left of urzas head. Thran tome beneath his feet. Silouette of karns face right of urzas robe and 2 of the Bones of Ramos just above the down right corner.
What Gavin doesn't know is that I've been trying for years to find a commander home for ice cave after pulling it out of one of those mystery cubes that had packs of apocalypse in them.
Really hoping to see the brother's war as the commander product for this set. Who could ask for more than a reprint of Urza in the old frame paired with a mono colored Mishra in the old frame to relive their epic story.
Personally I don't care much for Sagas (just too fiddly and not my thing), particularly how often they seem to come up in Standard sets, but I DO like the execution here. So many impressive deep cuts wrapped up into one card.
Why is it a land, though? Urza's Tron lands are so because they represent a physical space, from where mana is drawn. "Urza's Saga" clearly isn't a physical space, but a plain saga. What am I missing?
@@christopherbrent3759 What about "Urza's Armor"? Guilt? Rage? These are rightfully artifact, sorcery and instant. The name of Urza isn't corrolated to the Land supertype unless it is naming a land that belong to that character.
It is of course a flavor problem, and I wonder if they are interested in justifying it (in- and/or out of-universe). I like that it actually sets up the stage for some fun speculation, if you're so inclined.
This always bugged me when cascading into hypergenesis because its mana cost is null but now I see that the mana value is zero. It always bugged me (it still does to be honest), it feels unnecessarily convoluted.
Kinda disappointed that the very first enchantment land, named after an enchantment set, has artifact synergies... We got Storm the Vault and Growing Rites of Itlamoc, but where is our non-reserved Serra's Sanctum? Us Enchantress players are a thirsty bunch.
Does this land sac itself at the start of turn 3 like a regular saga, I have seen some stuff online and people tell me it doesn't but I don't believe that
It does sac itself once it’s final chapter is resolved. Luckily, you can go get a Mox Amber or Sol Ring depending on your format of choice and replace the land you lost
You may not be able to tell us, but what's the next set to get a card? First we had Hour of Devastation, then Mirrodin Besieged, and now Urza's Saga. So what's next?
I'm very honestly interested in this. There is some kind of possible argument for it being a "narrative landscape", a storyscape environment within which lesser events can take place. You could even play around with the idea that the story of Urza has somehow magically made its mark in time, in a stronger or at least different way than other sagas (which must presumably in some sense have done something similar if we take them as in-universe spells). Elsewhere in the comment section ideas such as a museum installation or a book somehow connected to the actual lands of Dominaria. We're getting into fairly weird and perhaps unconvincing-seeming areas, but one thought I have is maybe you can ascribe the weirdness to Urza's skill as an artificer and experimental mage. Wouldn't he, if anyone, be able to infuse a book, or even an abstract story, with "landness" if it suited his purposes? (The player can, after all, absolutely make an artifact or an enchantment into a land with the right cards.) Still, none of this is of course explicitly played up in the card's flavoring. I can see some of it perhaps as a very subtle background theme and/or internal justification, but mostly it seems like the problem of "why would this be a land?" has simply been set aside to make a mechanically interesting card with a punny subtype line. That stands out as slightly annoying to me, but other parts of me like it on the basis of 1) it just becomes part of the weirdness, and weirdness is fun, 2) the reasoning is not necessarily bad, the card is flavorful in many other ways and maybe this particular "miss" was just a justified sacrifice, and finally 3) it gives us something to speculate about and sets up the stage for some neat ideas if you start diving into it. Still, I would love to see some kind of official comment on it.
this card is extremely strong and very pushed - wear // tear seems sweet against it. the fact that in vintage and commander you always can get sol ring is pretty decent, sometimes you can get manifold key, tormods crypt, astrolabe or something equally bananas for the situation. its not even clear that chapter 2 is a downside, as these token are pretty real threats, but by design you can't turn 2 that ability without cheating on mana.
oh wow i just realized that its keeps all the abilitys 'til the end, so you can activate the mana ability 3 times or the token 2 times, right? this is off the charts!
Gavin, the MH2 etched foils had better be closer to commander legends than strixhaven mystical archives. Or stop putting them as the bait in $30 collectors boosters! We would rather have regular foils in that case
Possibly, I mean it _is_ a colorless land that does mostly nothing unless you're specifically running an artifact deck and then dies after 3 turns. Well, I guess it turns into a Sol Ring, but still.
The thing is, it doesn't necessarily have to be run in an Artifact deck. It provides a chump blocker and tutors a cheap artifact like Sol Ring, Skullclamp, Sensei Divining Top, Amulet of Vigor, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Moxen, Jeweled Lotus, Graveyard hate artifacts, and etc. I'm not say it will, but it does have the potential because of the utility.
Wizards needs to set MSRP. The prices of these products coming out are getting out of hand. You want to help the health of the game. Reprint cards in demand into oblivion or set the MSRP so that sprinkling a few cards (fetches) don’t make box prices $160 dollars more for a booster box. It’s near impossible to be excited for a set when our wallets are taking huge hits just to have fun and enjoy the game.
MSRP was eliminated so WOTC could continue to claim they have no knowledge of the second hand market, as well as developing their direct sales to Amazon and others. That’s why we got Secret Lair Ultimate Edition for several hundreds of dollars.
@@thew1ldcard886 oh I know I’m saying they’re $160 above a box. A box is usually around $100 and these are for whatever reason $260. Even if I just wanted to have a draft with friends packs are $7.50 each, that’s double a normal pack to draft. It’s insane for what? Maybe I get a fetch land. These should be $3.50-$4 a pack like the rest of them. I’m starting to listen to the professor I’ll just buy the singles I need on the secondary market.
Spolier warning: MSRP doesn't control what price things sell for. The S in MSRP stands for 'suggested'. Of all the dumb crusades, this is at least in the lower 50% percentile of dumbness.
He's not kidding, but he's not not kidding either. He's performing cringing passive aggression on the internet, because he's been conditioned to show tribe membership in that way.
This card is beautiful and thematic but I dont like it mechanicly. Makes a colorless that's not really going to help me out with much, then I can basically take a turn off to make a creature thats not very good and then it sacs for sol ring.
Probably the same reason green doesn't get lifelink and red doesn't get life loss. Sometimes colorless get similar effects, but done slightly different ways to keep them flavorfully distinct.
@@RasmusVJS Green creatures are bigger than white or black creatures with lifelink. If green has acces to lifelink it will be even harder to race against a green deck.
@@leom7649 True, that is a good argument for why green isn't primary in lifelink, though green does get some small creatures, so I think putting green secondary in lifelink could work. But that is a good point.
Its a bit ironic that in your last video you talked about not wanting to homogenize the format of Commander, and this card could do exactly that! I don't think it will, but honestly this card goes into any deck cause it could be seen as a Suspend 3 go get your sol ring." I want as many copies as I could possibly get of this card. I hope it's not one of the harder to pull rares in the set.
"Perfect" Inb4 new players play it incorrectly because sagas and lands act differently and tapping makes it confusing when they're put together. In all seriousness, it looks like a great card. I don't like that it promotes those low cost mana rocks that push the power level of formats, but it's otherwise well balanced I think. But even I had to look at it for an hour and listen to some explainers before I fully understood how it worked, and I've been playing MTG for over two decades.
Hold your equines there, Pal. "The mana cost is litterly not zero, it's null". So aside from being obtuse, want to explain that? No Mana vs No Mana needed? What The Functional are you talking about? Mana Value, "introduced" in Strixhaven is completely and reduntely irrelevant. So, your saying, "mana cost and mana value are """"DIFFERENT"""'. "Mana Value equals Converted Mana Cost". vs "Mana Cost equals Cost of Printed on Card". So, correct me if I'm wrong (as I abnormally am), you are saying, look at Lotus Bloom, it reads "zero". Now look at some other card, it reads (I don't know, not zero?). "it's different". How? Oh, right Ice Age's Ice Cave. Okay, let's read it.... read. Wait what?! What are you trying to say again? I'm trying to look at the whole package; there is a speedo in my way. Explain again please. I'm slow.
No problem! So mana value is the total mana cost of the card, converted into generic mana. I card which costs 2G has a mana value of 3. Mana cost is literally the printed cost on the card. A card that costs 2G has a mana cost of 2G. So Urza's Saga can find Sol Ring, Wayfarer's Bauble, and Ornithopter. It cannot find Arcum's Astrolabe, Executioner's Capsule, or Lotus Bloom. Does that make sense? :)
@@GoodMorningMagic It makes sense in the sense that you are telling me that if you print a zero as a cost, it costs something different from a card that doesnt; It does not tell me what the cost of a non-cost cost is.
@@merelythepawn I think the big different is that the cards that have a 0 printed on them are actually CAST as some type of spell (creature, artifact, enchantment, etc.) This card and other cards that dont have anything printed on them dont actually get cast.
@@adammcalister8713 Okay, so now "cast" is the key word when determining the difference between blank and zero-not zero,nor-less-than, nor-greater-than-zero? What is the antithesis for cast when playing a card? If I don't cast a spell, can I apply all of the not zero, nor less than-nor greater than-zero cast triggers?
@@merelythepawn To free you from your self-inflicted confusion: Cards with zero cast can be cast for free. Cards with no cost can't be cast at all. An important difference!
True it goes away, but it leaves a creature and you can tutor up a cheap artifact like Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Skullclamp, Sensei Diving Top, Moxen, and etc.
Also, I've been trying to get a hold of R&D to explain how I broke Magic, and how to fix it, but customer service ghosted me because they thought it was a solicitation. I'm just trying to provide the info, no costs or strings attached. Would love to hear from R&D - feel free to email me.
@@mtgmeansmagic4758 I've already published this information publicly, so they could access it themselves without getting me involved. I was more just pointing them to it - but of course I'd be happy to chat with someone on the team to explain more.
"The design is perfect"
My exact reaction when I saw this card the other day. Absolutely fantastic job by the designers!
Gavin, I don't know if you hear this enough man, but thank you for being one of the nicest, chillest, most down to earth guys on the internet.
I finally feel validated for owning an Ice Cave
Hahaha nice
I was going to put that in my "cards you've never read before tribal" Muldrotha deck, but then I realized that I couldn't use it to counter red and white spells, so I didn't. It just feels like something you'd only play if you were the only blue deck at the table, but that'd never happen.
@@bodaciouschad You can still use it to counter Red and White spells, you just need ways to make that mana. Chromatic Lantern and similar effects let you tap lands for any color, along with being a colorless mana rock that taps for any color. You can run lands that tap for any color of mana like Mana Confluence, Transguild Promenade, or Exotic Orchard. Treasures are also becoming more common and Can make any color of mana.
I understand that these don't really fit the theme of "card you never read before", but I am just giving the basic and obvious examples of ways to do get the mana you may need.
It's from my favorite set!
I don't play Magic, but I like to learn how things are made or designed. So. This kind of videos are always a delight
Glad you enjoyed it!
The cards been spoiled for a few days now... and only now do I realize the typing on the card is literally Urza's and Saga. I mean yeah makes sense but I still cant believe I missed that up until now...
It's such a cool subtype; it reminds me of the type line of Gingerbrute: Artifact Creature - Food Golem, since food is an artifact subtype and Golem a creature subtype, just like how Urza's is a land type and Saga an enchantment type
Okay I already knew this card was awesome and flavorful but I had absolutely NO IDEA exactly how deep it was!!! The type line making mechanical sense as well as being a lore reference blew my mind!
Really excited to see more of the artist's sketches for Modern Horizons II cards! I have such a love and respect for the artists of this game and it's so interesting and engaging to see their work as a process rather than a product on these new art treatments.
It's a really cool design. I even wasn't born when Urza's saga came out so it also feels like i am uncovering a story from long long time ago in the flavour and real life.
this is beautiful in every way. kudos to Allison Steele and Titus Lunter!
This better be a sign that you're working on Urza's Saga Remastered.
Where can I double RT this, I would LOVE Urza's Saga Block Renastered!
Thats impossible due to the amount of Reserve List cards in that block.
It would suck. All the good cards are reserve list.
I love everything about this card! The callback, the flavor, the type line, the art- all just a complete delight. Can't wait to see more cards from the set! The sketch art idea is awesome too, and I hope more creative ways to include the artist such as this are done in the future. Re: the art description, pretty glad we didn't get nekkid Urza tho ;)
Thank GOODNESS. Cynthia knows what to ask for. :p
I think you mean "pretty bummed we didn't get nekkid Urza" :P
@@DMNBT Fair! I ain't here to judge
Kayla's 'Amulet of Kroog' is faded in the art :)
This such a fantastic deep dive.
The power creep on this card is insane. Thank you for making all of my commander decks smaller.
I was hoping you would’ve talked a little more about how the card plays (e.g., “gains” means as long as the card is in play, so you can make multiple karnstructs or add mana repeatedly-even in your main phase in response to the last chapter ability)
I noticed the type line immediately. Finally a 5th Urza's land!
I'm am SO excited about this set. I cannot wait to see what else ya'll bring out from Magic's past!
Still sure this card's design is 'chef's kiss' perfect? 'Chef's kiss' perfect for a ban maybe.
This is such a deep design, one has to drool at all the opportunities and stories this could make.
If this was the only card in the set, it would still be one of my favorite sets ever made.
So far I've found (medium to high confidence)
1) The Touchstone above Urza's head. (Urza's notes)
2) The JuJu Bubble between the top of Urza's staff and the light call-out.
3) A Powerstone, likely the one expelled by Glacian, containing his spark, that later separated into Mightsone and Weakstone just below Urza's arm.
4) The symbol for Powerstone, likely taken from Worn Powerstone, in the little gold circle that's extending form Urza's armpit.
5) The book symbol on the line extending from Urza's arm, likely a reference to Thran Tome
6) Stylized wings, which may be from Weatherlight, but are likely from Urza's original Ornithopter design, slightly to his left beneath the powerstone.
Not noticed by me:
1) The Amulet of Kroog, fading next to Urza's feet.
2) The weatherlight in the bottom-right corner.
Things that I'm unsure about:
1) The Sailboat-style triangles above Urza. They resemble LIngering Mirage, which might reference the return to Tolaria after the sundering. I feel iike there's another card that fits better, but I can't think of it.
2) Urza's mark, which he uses to brand Karn, doesn't seem to be in a prominent place, but may be between the waxing quarter and the waxing crescent.
3) The waxing moon decal may be in reference to the Null Moon, which Urza supercharged with white mana.
4) There's a lot more here that I expect are there but maybe cannot see: -- references to the bloodlines project, Karn, Xantcha, and even direct references to Mishra / Phyrexia.
I look forward to these segments Gavin, thanks for sharing this knowledge and insight. Seeing the detail and effort that goes into each card by a team of caring professionals is fascinating. While I may not understand some card decisions on the surface, each segment shows how thoughtfully curated the cards and lore actually are. Getting this glimpse helps to appreciate how complex this must be. A question if I may: On power creep - does the existence of high powered, non-banned cards in historic formats inform a gradual rise to meet and level out the playing field, or is creep more of a case of slowly increasing headroom for design possibilities? I was just thinking of how a card like Balduvian Hordes used to be top tier, haha.
Can't wait to see a land card named Homelands someday!
This looks amazing and I can't wait to grab a couple copies. Also I would love this as just a piece of art to hang on the wall
Can you use it for mana after your draw before it gets the last saga counter?
Yup!
Now I'm gonna loose even more friends when I put this in my Jhoira commander deck
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this card expressly printed incorrectly?
It's an Enchantment Land, yet its subtypes are Land Enchantment - Urza's and Saga. Clearly it ought to be Saga Urza's!
Yes, usually the subtypes are listed in the same order as the types.
I absolutely love deep dives into individual cards! Would love to see one of Kobo one day :)
Day 17 of asking Gavin for a Kobo card
Can you clear up if Urza’s Saga can get X or XX artifacts? (Walking Ballista, Chalice of the Void, Engineered Explosives, etc) Given your definition, (0:02:36) I’m assuming not as they’re not 1 or 0 in the cost? Just wanted to clear it up! Thanks Gavin! ☺️
This is such a amazing video again Gavin!
Question regarding this set: Is the design team looking at past and present Modern deck archetypes when they design new cards and/or make Legacy cards legal in Modern, or is the primary focus on Limited and Commander?
You should have used a brand new frame in Time Spiral Remastered for say Ugin the Spirit Dragon. That would have been a sweet chase card for the set. Maybe have the Future Sight frame with an 8 on the left hand corner. Could have even used Liliana of the Veil or Jace the Mind Sculptor with an "old" frame. What would an "old" frame look like for a Planeswalker? That's what's so cool about the idea.
I said it once, I say it again. This card is good! Too good. I can't see a reason not to run it in every commander deck.
It fetches to much good stuff...
Next arcane Signet?
But I loooove the flavour...
My first question when I looked was, where on Dominaria is this land?
Apparently in a book, according to the flavor behind sagas
Maybe some land from dominaria was used to create this book?
My guess is a museum on Tolaria West. The exhibit's only up for three turns; can't expose the manuscript to too much light. But be sure to get something from our gift shop on your way out!
@@Ujabuja used to be a Forest or Island, now it's a Wastes
The comment section is super positive and i don't want to be that guy, but this seems so busted, a land that gets you sol ring on turn 3. It will go in every commander deck and it might even be good in modern whether its finding expedition maps or gravediggers cages.
Not gonna lie, it took me way too long to realise the sketch version was an alternate art print and not just the person who posted the spoiler to Reddit deep-frying the original xd
Enchantment land sagas we need more eventually
Your the bomb gavin
U hearted it ❤
+1 for the Chimeric Staff tee :D
Hehe glad you liked that!
@@GoodMorningMagic It's one of my favourite cards from the set! Two of them with playsets of Priest of Titania, Quirion Ranger and Llanowar Elves made a mean deck back then!
Possible Legacy easter eggs? :
Touchstone left of urzas head, thran tome below urzas feet and silouette of karns face right of urzas robe?
Another of the golden circles seem to have a triangle, could be the thran forge.
Also 2 of the Bones of Ramos just above the down right corner (:
DAMN how much I love flavour! This card is so cool! And there is already discussion about it being playable in legacy, which is so cool!
I only found the Weatherlight as an easter egg though :(
I believe I saw other parts of the Legacy:
Touchstone just left of urzas head. Thran tome beneath his feet. Silouette of karns face right of urzas robe and 2 of the Bones of Ramos just above the down right corner.
What Gavin doesn't know is that I've been trying for years to find a commander home for ice cave after pulling it out of one of those mystery cubes that had packs of apocalypse in them.
I have an ice cave in my snow matters deck, for flavour purposes of course :)
Really hoping to see the brother's war as the commander product for this set. Who could ask for more than a reprint of Urza in the old frame paired with a mono colored Mishra in the old frame to relive their epic story.
I like the reference to the guru lands. At least that’s what I think they are referencing. If so, controversial considering the artist of those lands.
Personally I don't care much for Sagas (just too fiddly and not my thing), particularly how often they seem to come up in Standard sets, but I DO like the execution here. So many impressive deep cuts wrapped up into one card.
Why is it a land, though? Urza's Tron lands are so because they represent a physical space, from where mana is drawn. "Urza's Saga" clearly isn't a physical space, but a plain saga. What am I missing?
"Urza's" is a land type, so it had to be part land. Yes, the whole card is a spiral of mechanical jokes.
@@christopherbrent3759 What about "Urza's Armor"? Guilt? Rage? These are rightfully artifact, sorcery and instant. The name of Urza isn't corrolated to the Land supertype unless it is naming a land that belong to that character.
The "Urza's" on the type line, not the "Urza's" on the title bar.
@@christopherbrent3759 Thanks for clarifying! I totally missed that.
It is of course a flavor problem, and I wonder if they are interested in justifying it (in- and/or out of-universe). I like that it actually sets up the stage for some fun speculation, if you're so inclined.
Oh you think i don’t know what Ice Cave is
I like the card, also I've played Ice Cave in commander, I like it but sometimes it just sits there doing nothing.
Show me the Squirrels!!!!!! Love you content.
This always bugged me when cascading into hypergenesis because its mana cost is null but now I see that the mana value is zero. It always bugged me (it still does to be honest), it feels unnecessarily convoluted.
So, what are the chances of seeing Primata Delphine in print at some point?
Why are cards like Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, Mayor of Avabruck, etc not legendary?
Why does the name of this show sound familiar? I swear I've heard something similar..
Name: Urza's Saga
Occupation: Urza's Saga
Kinda disappointed that the very first enchantment land, named after an enchantment set, has artifact synergies... We got Storm the Vault and Growing Rites of Itlamoc, but where is our non-reserved Serra's Sanctum?
Us Enchantress players are a thirsty bunch.
Does this land sac itself at the start of turn 3 like a regular saga, I have seen some stuff online and people tell me it doesn't but I don't believe that
It does sac itself once it’s final chapter is resolved. Luckily, you can go get a Mox Amber or Sol Ring depending on your format of choice and replace the land you lost
Look Mum, its Picasso!
I would love a Yawgmoth Saga
You may not be able to tell us, but what's the next set to get a card? First we had Hour of Devastation, then Mirrodin Besieged, and now Urza's Saga. So what's next?
Future sight was printed before a set was named after it
So can this or can this not fetch Astrolabe?
very nice!!!!
What type of land is a saga?
I'm very honestly interested in this. There is some kind of possible argument for it being a "narrative landscape", a storyscape environment within which lesser events can take place. You could even play around with the idea that the story of Urza has somehow magically made its mark in time, in a stronger or at least different way than other sagas (which must presumably in some sense have done something similar if we take them as in-universe spells). Elsewhere in the comment section ideas such as a museum installation or a book somehow connected to the actual lands of Dominaria. We're getting into fairly weird and perhaps unconvincing-seeming areas, but one thought I have is maybe you can ascribe the weirdness to Urza's skill as an artificer and experimental mage. Wouldn't he, if anyone, be able to infuse a book, or even an abstract story, with "landness" if it suited his purposes? (The player can, after all, absolutely make an artifact or an enchantment into a land with the right cards.)
Still, none of this is of course explicitly played up in the card's flavoring. I can see some of it perhaps as a very subtle background theme and/or internal justification, but mostly it seems like the problem of "why would this be a land?" has simply been set aside to make a mechanically interesting card with a punny subtype line. That stands out as slightly annoying to me, but other parts of me like it on the basis of 1) it just becomes part of the weirdness, and weirdness is fun, 2) the reasoning is not necessarily bad, the card is flavorful in many other ways and maybe this particular "miss" was just a justified sacrifice, and finally 3) it gives us something to speculate about and sets up the stage for some neat ideas if you start diving into it. Still, I would love to see some kind of official comment on it.
Important art director's note: Nobody wants to see Urza's junk.
this card is extremely strong and very pushed - wear // tear seems sweet against it. the fact that in vintage and commander you always can get sol ring is pretty decent, sometimes you can get manifold key, tormods crypt, astrolabe or something equally bananas for the situation. its not even clear that chapter 2 is a downside, as these token are pretty real threats, but by design you can't turn 2 that ability without cheating on mana.
oh wow i just realized that its keeps all the abilitys 'til the end, so you can activate the mana ability 3 times or the token 2 times, right? this is off the charts!
Gavin, the MH2 etched foils had better be closer to commander legends than strixhaven mystical archives. Or stop putting them as the bait in $30 collectors boosters! We would rather have regular foils in that case
Claims they don't want to homogenize commander in arcane signet video. Hi here is Urza's Saga!
I like the card and it seems pretty cool, but I fear this is gonna be another Commander Staple that you jam in pretty much every deck.
Possibly, I mean it _is_ a colorless land that does mostly nothing unless you're specifically running an artifact deck and then dies after 3 turns.
Well, I guess it turns into a Sol Ring, but still.
The thing is, it doesn't necessarily have to be run in an Artifact deck. It provides a chump blocker and tutors a cheap artifact like Sol Ring, Skullclamp, Sensei Divining Top, Amulet of Vigor, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Moxen, Jeweled Lotus, Graveyard hate artifacts, and etc. I'm not say it will, but it does have the potential because of the utility.
Wizards needs to set MSRP. The prices of these products coming out are getting out of hand. You want to help the health of the game. Reprint cards in demand into oblivion or set the MSRP so that sprinkling a few cards (fetches) don’t make box prices $160 dollars more for a booster box. It’s near impossible to be excited for a set when our wallets are taking huge hits just to have fun and enjoy the game.
These boxes are WAY more than $160. Which is beyond ridiculous.
MSRP was eliminated so WOTC could continue to claim they have no knowledge of the second hand market, as well as developing their direct sales to Amazon and others. That’s why we got Secret Lair Ultimate Edition for several hundreds of dollars.
@@thew1ldcard886 oh I know I’m saying they’re $160 above a box. A box is usually around $100 and these are for whatever reason $260. Even if I just wanted to have a draft with friends packs are $7.50 each, that’s double a normal pack to draft. It’s insane for what? Maybe I get a fetch land. These should be $3.50-$4 a pack like the rest of them. I’m starting to listen to the professor I’ll just buy the singles I need on the secondary market.
Spolier warning: MSRP doesn't control what price things sell for. The S in MSRP stands for 'suggested'. Of all the dumb crusades, this is at least in the lower 50% percentile of dumbness.
Soooo, why does Urza have Teferi's staff? That is Teferi's staff right
No. it isn't. Look at the card "Mind Over Matter". Then look at Teferi again. They are different. :)
So when are you going to ban it?
Not sure if you're kidding or not. Doesn't seem particularly problematic to me.
He's not kidding, but he's not not kidding either. He's performing cringing passive aggression on the internet, because he's been conditioned to show tribe membership in that way.
I really hope this time around EDH was skipped over. We don't need another Hogaak.....
This card is beautiful and thematic but I dont like it mechanicly. Makes a colorless that's not really going to help me out with much, then I can basically take a turn off to make a creature thats not very good and then it sacs for sol ring.
Really love the card, amazing sign of what's to come. Also, day 3 of asking why blue doesn't have access to vigilance.
Probably the same reason green doesn't get lifelink and red doesn't get life loss. Sometimes colorless get similar effects, but done slightly different ways to keep them flavorfully distinct.
@@kitsovereign4127 Makes sense. Though now I wonder why green doesn't get lifelink, when it both gets resources from creatures and lifegain. :D
@@RasmusVJS Green creatures are bigger than white or black creatures with lifelink. If green has acces to lifelink it will be even harder to race against a green deck.
@@leom7649 True, that is a good argument for why green isn't primary in lifelink, though green does get some small creatures, so I think putting green secondary in lifelink could work. But that is a good point.
reprint as common please:)))!
But you did not have on a hat
Its a bit ironic that in your last video you talked about not wanting to homogenize the format of Commander, and this card could do exactly that! I don't think it will, but honestly this card goes into any deck cause it could be seen as a Suspend 3 go get your sol ring."
I want as many copies as I could possibly get of this card. I hope it's not one of the harder to pull rares in the set.
Really excited to never play MH2 because it doesn't come to Arena...
Mate, you don't want a hundred modern-powered cards in Arena.
gix in mh2 plz
Symbology?
I think the word you’re looking for is ssssssymbolism.
"Perfect"
Inb4 new players play it incorrectly because sagas and lands act differently and tapping makes it confusing when they're put together.
In all seriousness, it looks like a great card. I don't like that it promotes those low cost mana rocks that push the power level of formats, but it's otherwise well balanced I think. But even I had to look at it for an hour and listen to some explainers before I fully understood how it worked, and I've been playing MTG for over two decades.
Hold your equines there, Pal. "The mana cost is litterly not zero, it's null". So aside from being obtuse, want to explain that? No Mana vs No Mana needed? What The Functional are you talking about? Mana Value, "introduced" in Strixhaven is completely and reduntely irrelevant. So, your saying, "mana cost and mana value are """"DIFFERENT"""'. "Mana Value equals Converted Mana Cost". vs "Mana Cost equals Cost of Printed on Card". So, correct me if I'm wrong (as I abnormally am), you are saying, look at Lotus Bloom, it reads "zero". Now look at some other card, it reads (I don't know, not zero?). "it's different". How? Oh, right Ice Age's Ice Cave. Okay, let's read it.... read. Wait what?! What are you trying to say again? I'm trying to look at the whole package; there is a speedo in my way.
Explain again please. I'm slow.
No problem! So mana value is the total mana cost of the card, converted into generic mana. I card which costs 2G has a mana value of 3.
Mana cost is literally the printed cost on the card. A card that costs 2G has a mana cost of 2G.
So Urza's Saga can find Sol Ring, Wayfarer's Bauble, and Ornithopter. It cannot find Arcum's Astrolabe, Executioner's Capsule, or Lotus Bloom. Does that make sense? :)
@@GoodMorningMagic It makes sense in the sense that you are telling me that if you print a zero as a cost, it costs something different from a card that doesnt; It does not tell me what the cost of a non-cost cost is.
@@merelythepawn I think the big different is that the cards that have a 0 printed on them are actually CAST as some type of spell (creature, artifact, enchantment, etc.)
This card and other cards that dont have anything printed on them dont actually get cast.
@@adammcalister8713 Okay, so now "cast" is the key word when determining the difference between blank and zero-not zero,nor-less-than, nor-greater-than-zero? What is the antithesis for cast when playing a card? If I don't cast a spell, can I apply all of the not zero, nor less than-nor greater than-zero cast triggers?
@@merelythepawn To free you from your self-inflicted confusion: Cards with zero cast can be cast for free. Cards with no cost can't be cast at all. An important difference!
I am pretty sure it will get banned in commander...
Unpopular Opinion: this card just isn't as good as you want it to be. sure, it's free enchantment, but it's also a land that goes away in a few turns.
They also tried to hype Echo the same way. “It has a keyword, it’s great!”
True it goes away, but it leaves a creature and you can tutor up a cheap artifact like Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Skullclamp, Sensei Diving Top, Moxen, and etc.
The prices of modern horizons 2 is absolutely ridiculous. Its cardboard dude lower the price so all can enjoy it you greedy capitalist.
Also, I've been trying to get a hold of R&D to explain how I broke Magic, and how to fix it, but customer service ghosted me because they thought it was a solicitation. I'm just trying to provide the info, no costs or strings attached.
Would love to hear from R&D - feel free to email me.
What is it?
@@tylerisdrawing9913 Should be on my about page
If you approach them with your solutions, this IS known as solicitation, that’s why you probably got that response.
@@mtgmeansmagic4758 I've already published this information publicly, so they could access it themselves without getting me involved. I was more just pointing them to it - but of course I'd be happy to chat with someone on the team to explain more.
@@mtgmeansmagic4758 Thanks though, I see what you mean
CMC until I die.
This card might be a mistake.