Fun fact: the person who did the motion capture for Eddie Gordo was Mestre Marcelo. He is the creator of the group Capoeira Mandinga, the same group the capoerista in this video is part of. There were a few branches of this group in Cina years ago. To add some further context, the cord/belt of the capoerista in the video is green/yellow, which is not a very high rank. The school has quite a bit of belts in their ranking system, but a simplified version of it is: green-> green, yellow -> yellow -> yellow, blue -> blue (instructor level) -> green, blue, yellow (professor) -> green, yellow, blue, white (contra mestre) -> white with green, yellow, blue (mestre) I would also say from experience that capoeira mandinga doesn't focus as much on the the fight elements as other groups like Axe Capoeira, the group that Marcus Aurelio is part of. Marcus Aurelio is a capoeira master that has actually competed in MMA. My point isn't to make excuses for the capoerista, but more so to give context from another capoerista.
@@juliannunez5725 Different groups have different cord systems, and it's not un-common for people within Mandinga to skip cords. My first teacher used to be part of Mandinga, and I know there are a lot of in-between/transitional cords. That being said, within Mandinga, only blue is considered instrutor level.
@@FightCommentary Also, it looks like the Capoeira guy was restricting themself to the "performance" set of movements. You usually do these bigger and slower moves so the crowd/opponent can follow the movements. Good catch on noticing the lack of hand use and take downs ! While both were playing nice, would have liked to see more Ginga and Low-Game used.
Yeah. I didnt notice his shape until i uploaded the video. Like you said, he resembled my friend Alex who you’ve seen on this channel. Not in best condition for showdowns.
True, not the best representative for this Afro-brazilian Martial Arts styles. Good student of Capoeira are more physically fit than this slow and out of shape practitioner--never mind a skilled higher belted level champion.
Love how all you people are saying "but a REAL...." while it's been proven day in day out MMA is simply superior for an... you know: MMA rules fight. No, not any cap style fighter will do exceptional versus a semi skilled MMA fighter. Prove me wrong with a tual video or records. instead of hypotheticals please.
I started training capoeira at 17. I didn't even know what the f it was, it's just my friend started to go to muai thai, and i wanted to do something too and picked at random. Even though i liked playing eddy gordo in tekken 3, i didn't know he did capoeira. We called him "breakdancer" lol
@@RichPT no one forces you to do jinga all the time. We do it in the game to keep moving, but anywhere else you can do it only when you need to change stance or prepare lateral or other movement
This was obviously an exhibition, but spamming the same kick badly enough times is asking for even a non wrestler to just grab the leg, lift, and dump him on the ground. Not to mention just a well timed solid right after it misses...again.
@@FightCommentary tbh the guy seems like the only ista they could get. I'm a an ITF TKD guy, even as a heavyweight I love to throw a spinning heel...but this guy is playing Ryu on SNES SFII & just hits R over & over again. I always thought a dodge followed up with an axe kick while they're still recovering would be pretty good. Lots of openening for anything, though.
First time I saw capoeira was the movie, "Only the Strong" (1993). It was before UFC, so it seemed like a capable style. The UFC really showed the limitations of a lot of styles
I like that movie starring Mark Dacascos. He happens to be a very talented martial artist in a few styles, including Capoeira which he studied under a master.
I know you mentioned having boxing and kickboxing would work to make capoeira more effective, however, as someone who has boxed, done capoeira, and other martial arts, I have to disagree. I think capoeira shines when it is mixed with other grappling arts. Part of this is because the kicks in capoeira are important, but overemphasized. The sweeps and takedowns are arguably more important and allow for more trickery. The sneaky capoeira entries are also more suited to grappling than striking. I discovered capoeira as a small child when I was put in a summer program for drumming. The teacher also did some capoeira with us, but I didn't know that's what it was at that time.
Interesting that you said that. There's a video with Ramsey Dewey and Sensei Seth where they try to pick what combat sports work well with traditional martial arts and Ramsey chose to pair Capoeira with Freestyle wrestling. My grappling experience is very limited so that was an eye opener for me.
@@digitalg00dtimes58 Yeah that video was good. I didn’t understand the full potential of capoeira until I started grappling too. Boxing doesn’t hurt anything, but it just doesn’t marry well with capoeira like wrestling does.
You have a good point! I used to train capoeira devoutly now I train jiu jitsu…I do notice a synergy with the 2;the capoeira kicks/movements work really well for setting up takedowns, also the imanari roll is basically an au on your shoulders that you can go into a tesoura and then leglocks or leg drags from there. Plus using your arms like your legs for balance is always a good skill to have for balance.
@@poeguru88 It sounds like we have similar experiences! As much as people hate on the ginga, I found that it helped me to develop some good wrestling habits faster.
Yes ! When I was learning wrestling the stance drills felt like ginga stepping; almost identical. I was training at a jiu jitsu school where the teacher had a capoeira background and he showed a decida basica to single leg takedown; I would ve never thought of that !
Lateef Crowder has some amazing training mixes with his Capoeira I think you would appreciate. The Heavyweight was being a professional for sure. Good breakdown. I don't think that gentleman was a good representation, but you identified that. I knew of this back in the 80's from a Kenpo demo by a group that came in. I am close to 50 and am recovering from back surgery, so I am doing the core movements slowly for rehab. No serious tricking, not for awhile. Anyways, GJ 8)
I discovered Capoeira from the film "Only the Strong" and studied it for more than 10 years. The capoeirista here is demonstrating a very limited move set, though. No attempted takedowns (banda, arrastao, tesouras), no short-range strikes (johelada, cutelevadas), just Martello/media Lua de compasso/quixadas. It looks like the capoeirista has at most a year or two under his belt.
Thank God someone said this. I was thinking the exact same. This martial artist just wasn't right for this sort of demonstration or experiment. There's so much more to this than what he was doing. He was so slow too
Fun fact in ancient Capoeira two knives were placed on the legs it's made for kill, A brutal fighting style made to kill those who hunted slaves in Brazil.
Yes and no. It wasn't in ancient capoeira, but in capoeira carioca from the 19-th century. And they mostly had knives or batons in their hands. Unfortunately, capoeira carioca's techniques were mostly lost because a lot of practitioners were caught by the police, and they couldn't organize their own academy or something. There were and still is a game where you hold one razor between your toes, tho
@@FightCommentary a mestre attached knives to his feet for a demonstration, and people started saying that fighting with knives on your feet is a part of capoeira but it's not true, dude just did it because it looked cool.
With 10 years of capoeira experience under my belt, I think this video is very unfair. The capoeirsta in this video appeared to be at the early stages of his journey based on his technique. Look up Marcus Aurelio. He is the son of a Mestre and has used his capoeira to defeat many mma fighters.
Thanks a lot! That means a lot to me! I hope to train some judo after I get my braces off. Then I’ll feel ready to commentate mma in a more expert way.
Bob Wilson from Fatal Fury 3. That was my intro. My friend uses no one else but him when FF3 first came out in the arcade. And I'm like: this guy has no punches. It's all legs.
I was 25, with Brazilian teachers trained 4-5 days a week for 3 years, great but for UFC and MMA need a mix of box, and jiu jitsu, mua tai or something. But it's a great workout and a lifestyle. Respect.
Yeah, that dude had no trickery that should go with capoeira. But i think he just wanted to show techniques and survive, because i don't think he would do better with any other martial art at the same level against the MMA heavyweight champion, lmao
You got a point there. That mma guy is absolutely scary. I’ll show everyone another match soon where he straight up wwe suplexes a bruce lee imitator. And it was as big an arc as possible. So stay tuned! This video if it does well will lead to another one today, so thank you for your awesome comment and feel free to talk to some of the other viewers to keep the comments going!
Trickery, or "malicia". Yes, Capoeira movements like quixada and meia-lua decompasso are large and flashy, and telegraphed, but that's why an effective Capoeirista will telegraph a quixada to get their opponent to defend, but will transition into a different movement like martelo cruzado or switch into a meia lua and get them that way.
@@vinceyim8526 exactly. People are too indoctrinated with that karate mentality, that only way for kicks and punches not being "telegraphed" are being so fast enemy can't see them. Like they don't get that several different moves can have the same start, so you don't know which one is actually coming
I first discovered capoeira by playing as Eddie Gordo in Tekken 3. Very flashy, martial art, but not very well implemented in real combat, because of the different exposures and nothing to counter when opponents close the distance. I’m pretty sure some of those kicks are very dangerous but it’s not too much of a problem if you realize that there’s a lot of flashiness and distance.
"nothing to counter when opponents close the distance" There are techniques, but not everyone train elbow and palm strikes, because people don't want to get hurt. Look like with martial arts is two ways: in the end you know how to fight, but you body is broken after couple of years, or you are relatively healthy, but don't know how to fight at a good level
@@Gabriel-px8cv Yeah that too. In this video the guy had an opportunity to do tesouro de frente on MMA guy's knee, and he probably wouldn't recognize that he is being thrown at first. But it's also, always easier to talk than do :D
I was 7 or 8. I learned of it's existence from Tekken! I didn't start training until I was 19. I've been on and off training since 2020 but now focus on BJJ. Capoeira by itself, in my opinion isn't going to win you any fights. Now, in a Capoeira vs. Capoeira fight, sure, you can fight and it can work, but like you said striking isn't a big part of it and rarely, at least in the U.S. is it marketed as a way to fight/self defense. I love capoeira for the movement, balance, and body awareness that it gave me to get into BJJ.
@@FightCommentary it has it’s ups and downs but it’s going great so far! I’m learning slowly and also looking for ways to marry my Capoeira knowledge to my now growing bjj knowledge to help me win more rolls and hold my own against any capoeira jerks who wanna get rough, lol! I have my first tournament in April, so I’m excited!
Yes the range was an issue. The MMA guy was super nice. Worth mentioning the major size difference, which the MMA guy wasn't taking advantage of, being nice. Props for the Capo guy being willing to try some sparring though.
I'm not going to dispute what the results would be between a MMA fighter and a Capoerista. But I have to ask what is the actual format of the show they were on, because neither guy looked like they were trying to actually fight. It looked like they held a Pro wrestling match on the equivalent on AMG.
So I actually watched this, what's currently happening is phase 1, where contestants are competing for a spot on one of two fight teams based on their performance against one of 5 pro fighters that they fight an "audition" match with, like this one and also the girl from the previous video. After both teams filled up, the phase 2 of the show was supposed to be like a TUF kind of thing. Show never made it to phase 2 (I suspect it got its funding pulled in the beginning), and as this is basically an audition with pro fighters vs amateurs, the pros aren't going to be going all out anyways.
@@digitalg00dtimes58Nope, mixed bag. From recollection, a lot (like at least half) are actually combat sports hobbyists. Others are pretty much complete newbies like personal trainers or yoga instructors.
Yeah this guy wasn’t representative of an experienced capoeira practitioner. Capoeira is a very well rounded martial art within itself. That said not many Capoeiristas today train to fight. It’s not an issue with the techniques in the art, but the mentality of many practitioners. And it’s only a problem if the ability to fight is what they want to get out of it; which I find not to be the case most of the time these days. However to broadly say that Capoeiristas only dance around in the roda and don’t spar or fight is a generalization and is not true in all cases. It is in many cases though.
@@FightCommentary I tried posting videos for you but they didn't come on,so instead type in search. Kung Fu:Caine Learns about Capoeira(Brazilian Martial Art) Kung Fu:Caine versus Moses Gunn
Capoeira is a great system for cardio and flexibility, but it is another system that is almost completely useless to most of its practitioners. In any kind of real contact engagement, this guy would have been slaughtered.
In particular this guy. He's pretty slow. A more experienced practitioner like Lelo or even Anderson Silva (who has a capoeira background) would have had a more fair chance on account of being more agile. And it is my understanding that even Lelo is trained in BJJ and perhaps other disciplines. But not this guy. He looks like even a more modestly trained boxer (like myself) could time his initial movements and then rush him. Too slow and predictable.
I wouldn't call it completely useless. Look up Brazilian UFC fighter Michel Pereira, who incorporates actual Capoeira movements into his moveset, and even some movements that one wouldn't expect to see in MMA, like backflipping onto his opponent.
@@vinceyim8526 incorporating movements with another style is a whole different conversation. Having styles that are mixed together can be extremely effective. Im talking about this video and the way this fighter is only showing copiera style movement. In a real “knockout” style of fight, most copiera only practitioners will get hammered by a skilled fighter. Even a mildly trained mma fighter can be very formidable in a hand to hand battle.
Aha I see you found the other episodes. You should do one on the last episodes where they got Sang Weilin and a retired female San Da champ whose name I don't remember to do it too. You can see that the pro fighters are clearly fighting different when they're fighting veterans in the sport.
0:48 As a capoeira enthusiast, but not a practitioner, I noticed that this distance is super WRONG for a capoeirista, as it is not close enough for the capoeirista to grab and headbutt the opponent, and too close to the other fighter's fists. An above-average capoeirista would try to grab in some way. The video called "CAPOEIRA vs. GRAPPLING | MMA-Streetfight | DFC" shows what the distance should be for a capoeirista, vs someone from MMA.
Capoeira have two faces, you can be capoeira fighter or capoeira player. 95% capoeristas are players ; ) Capoeira have many things to offer.. god cardio, good strenght, good movement and coordination... Have ALL kind of kicks... Punches, slaps, elbows, headbuts, sweeps, takedowns and grappling... But is easier to sell capoeira as "movement training" and call it "brasilian martial art" instead of calling it what they teach... Movement (Ps. I am not a hater, i love capoeira. It was my first martial art style and i like to do it when i can.... Even if i do not train it (officialy) for more than 15 years now.... Capoeira is great. But martial arts need some "contact" to call it "fighting")
Yes! The capoeira headbutts are the moves i didnt get to learn when i was training. I didnt like the cord system. Reminded me too much of the tma belt system. And also like you said, it provides amazing cardio. When i got back into muay thai briefly i was always able to pull off a deceptive kick in sparring. Anyways, how big was your capoeira group when you were training?
@@FightCommentary when i started my training, my group was around 15-20people in the club(but numbers was changing all the time). But i was young and my goal was just to do acrobatic, cool things etc not realy fighting : p With time my goals changed a bit. I also had a pieriot that i was running my own capoeira club in my university for one year(just for fun as a free activity for students) and then i was focus on basic capoeira moves and pads kicking etc. Buut i was lucky enogh that i tried two sides of Capoeira. The pretty one ( what most people know) and the "ugly one" where was also grappling and "contact" included heh. About cordas. Some groups have cordas some have cordaos. I was not intrested in colecting them: p had yellow corda (3lvl in capoeira) and later i changed group where they was using cordao and my corda dod not count soo i dhould go from 0: p and then i decided to not care about grading and i was skipping all graduations heh.
Alex on my channel is a chunkier Capoeirista and he moves like a lean guy. So chunkiness doesn’t necessarily stop athleticism. It just probably makes the cardio harder.
I didn’t really think anything of it. Mostly it was a friendly exhibition for a prime time show. No intent of landing any serious blows, just giving some eye candy for the audience.
If one watches Manson Gibson and KNOWS Capoeira's moves, then one knows a CAPOEIRA trained fighter can fight just like him. Just like MANSON GIBSON!! 100!! NO CAP!! SEE FIR YOURSELVES!!
This comes down to a lack of preparation and pressure testing for the match. He has weapons that can work but the heart of Capoeira is deception. He needed to have some kickboxing or even a combat karate guy give him some orthodox attacks and defense or he is fooling nobody!
I have been doing capoeira for 20 years and been around the world and with diff groups. This guy is absolutely not representative of a style that would be optimal for this PARTICULAR venue. His shirt indicates he’s part of a group that really focuses on elite level acrobatics and spinning stuff. The guy did no straight kicks and no roundhouse kicks which do exist along with knees , spinning back kicks ,palm strikes and in many groups punches ! What people do not get about capoeira is that nuance is strewn about the style so much that you won’t see the diff styles unless you’re in it and you have been to many diff schools , this guy is clearly not representative of the style that would fit this venue - and at the same damn time , there is such a thing as purer forms of capoeira
Look like they were sparring capoeira is more for warm up ,, practice I’m sure if used more aggressively like a set up for a roundhouse kick could be effective if it gets you working out it’s kool
is this a real tournament or are they just doing a demo. If this was, that would explain a lot why MMA guy isn't trying to hurt the capoeira guy and might also be a reason why capoeira guy isn't landing any hits too
I am not entirely sure why this UA-camr is commenting on anything even touching fighting lol but ok. So this martial art gets a bad rap. And it definitely was invented to be a fighting style disguised as a dance because it was illegal. However this doesn't mean at all it isn't a legit or dangerous martial art. The fighter in this video just doesn't much know what he's doing and isn't in very good shape. Maybe he's a beginner? I don't know. If you put someone way more experienced and dangerous in this video the outcome probably wouldn't have been altogether different, but way better and far improved.
Ok. This is bs . No low leg kicks no tripping no double kicks, no arial kocks, no grapplong of all your trying to do is promote mma just say so. Because any real martial artist would destroy a mma fighter
Mix it with maui Thai like Toni jai and yep that when I first saw it in only the strong. But it one guy that makes it look hard to beat he played in a few movies he did every move Eddie did on tekken.
Yea he's dancing, not fighting. I've been practicing capoeira for 20 years. This is yet another capoeirista that has almost no serious sparing. Not even são bento grande. People think this is how all capoeiristas are. You should check out the schools that have their own tournaments too. Unfortunately there are a lot of styles of capoeira that ONLY teach it as a dance. It's just like Tai chi tho. Some people practice for health and fitness only, some to cause damage. This dude needs more preasure testing in his own academy first at least.
The capoeirista is performing "play" with his capoeira. Je probably doesn't understand how to transform his capoeira to a more martial approach. That being said Capoeira like any other martial tradition has to practice objective sparring and drills that address martial aspects and the ginga is not to be performed this way in even a simulated combat format.
10 years With that ginga and kick form? Very sloppy ginga. You can always tell how much time someone has in capoeira based on their ginga. That does not look like 10 years at all, 2 years I can see. Maybe he thought about doing capoeira for 8 years and actually trained for 2?
So you have a famous MMA fighting a Capoeira with very little range of movements and 2 or 3 years experience max. It's like getting a Capoeira with a good 5 years and MMA or cage fighting experience and fighting a MMA novice. I have great respect for any martial arts but bring two guys of equal level and height. Make it interesting. In a real fight using capoeira it's only practical against another Capoeira as things like wide movements and straight legs is dangerous unless very experienced Capoeira fighter. Go check Capoeira championships or clashes in street rodas. I have seen scarier female capoeiristas than the guy in the video. Bring a Brazilian guy of the same height lol
The mma guy might as well have been a boxer and the capoeira guy was really only showing a one sided mea luia de compass instead of continuing on low and high line after the initial kick instead of going for sweep take down neither one was really sparring
@@FightCommentaryHonestly it looks like he focused on performances and rodas like you said. He moves like a first year student. I’m sure you are way better than him. Still hats off for him doing whatever that was
@@UnknownFeng I think you nailed on the head when you said, "he focused on performances...." this looked like the performance of a fight instead of an actual fight.
This is not proper capooeira. Yes he's kicking but there is no ginga, capooeira should be always moving, ginga is "to sway" keep moving and your hands should be up to protect the head.
Not the best representation of Capoeira. There are many low striking kicks in Capoeira that, without an obvious GINGA, are indistinguishable from MMA "Kickboxing" low kicks to the knee, oblique kicks. A Capoeira fighter could be a front kick specialist.
This guy is leaving his pills wide open for attack every time he does his cartwheel thing, he needs to remember what happened to Black Momba before he gets one of them or possibly both of them handed to him.
Are you a Martial artist? I'm a green stripe (Almost green belt) in ITF Taekwondo, a yellow belt (almost an advanced yellow in Kodekan Danzan Ryu Jiu jitsu) and also in Inayan Eskrima
Bro, not to discourage you, but it's hard to get taken seriously as any kind of authority when all your belts are yellow. Keep at it, perhaps pick one to run with, but that's a beginner in all 3 disciplines. He addresses this at the end of the video, he trained in Kung Fu and did Capoeira for a year.
My advice: do boxing and muay thai for a solid year and then take another look at tma. Training tma first leads to very bad habits. I was training in boxing and muay thai when i rediscovered capoeira and decided to train. And even by training capoeira it gave me bad habits that when i went back into muay thai i was still correcting.
@@FightCommentary I second this. I did kung fu (choi li fut / wing chun)for 3 years I got knocked silly by a 14 year old who did boxing for less than a year. After that experience I’ve been doing Muay Thai for the past 15 years and adding a Mexican style boxing in the past year
I grew up wrestling in high school and Junior High, I remember a guy wanted to fight me and he was doing that, after the fourth time he did that , I shot in for a double leg, and that was it, took him to the ground and beat the hell out of him, you can do any fighting style you want, but if you're not a wrestler and know how to fight, it's pretty much over
Fun fact: the person who did the motion capture for Eddie Gordo was Mestre Marcelo. He is the creator of the group Capoeira Mandinga, the same group the capoerista in this video is part of. There were a few branches of this group in Cina years ago.
To add some further context, the cord/belt of the capoerista in the video is green/yellow, which is not a very high rank. The school has quite a bit of belts in their ranking system, but a simplified version of it is:
green-> green, yellow -> yellow -> yellow, blue -> blue (instructor level) -> green, blue, yellow (professor) -> green, yellow, blue, white (contra mestre) -> white with green, yellow, blue (mestre)
I would also say from experience that capoeira mandinga doesn't focus as much on the the fight elements as other groups like Axe Capoeira, the group that Marcus Aurelio is part of. Marcus Aurelio is a capoeira master that has actually competed in MMA.
My point isn't to make excuses for the capoerista, but more so to give context from another capoerista.
Thank you for the context! I’ll pin your comment!
That blue yellow an Instrutor... some groups in other countries skip belts ....
@@juliannunez5725 Different groups have different cord systems, and it's not un-common for people within Mandinga to skip cords. My first teacher used to be part of Mandinga, and I know there are a lot of in-between/transitional cords.
That being said, within Mandinga, only blue is considered instrutor level.
If I was there I might sing the song barananawei” to make him stronger🙄🧐
@@FightCommentary Also, it looks like the Capoeira guy was restricting themself to the "performance" set of movements.
You usually do these bigger and slower moves so the crowd/opponent can follow the movements.
Good catch on noticing the lack of hand use and take downs !
While both were playing nice, would have liked to see more Ginga and Low-Game used.
The MMA fighter was such a good sport. He obviously has nothing to prove. 🙂🖖🏻
Yeah. Definitely the right type of big guy to train with.
Think he feelss sorry for the dude! 😊
I don't know if anyone has ever said it to you, but as a brazilian, I can say that your pronunciation of the movement names were spot on!
Obrigado
If Capoeira guy was in better shape along with that technique, he could be competitive 💯👍🏾
Yeah. I didnt notice his shape until i uploaded the video. Like you said, he resembled my friend Alex who you’ve seen on this channel. Not in best condition for showdowns.
I'm glad it wasn't titled, "Capoeira MASTER Challenges MMA Heavyweight"
The absolute worst Capoera demo I have ever seen. Honestly it was pretty disgracing compared to REAL copoera
True, not the best representative for this Afro-brazilian Martial Arts styles. Good student of Capoeira are more physically fit than this slow and out of shape practitioner--never mind a skilled higher belted level champion.
Love how all you people are saying "but a REAL...." while it's been proven day in day out MMA is simply superior for an... you know: MMA rules fight.
No, not any cap style fighter will do exceptional versus a semi skilled MMA fighter. Prove me wrong with a tual video or records. instead of hypotheticals please.
I started training capoeira at 17. I didn't even know what the f it was, it's just my friend started to go to muai thai, and i wanted to do something too and picked at random. Even though i liked playing eddy gordo in tekken 3, i didn't know he did capoeira. We called him "breakdancer" lol
Thats what i called Eddy Gordo too! “Breakdance fighter.”
Sure hope you or 10 times better than this guy who is a disgrace to this discipline when taking on a MMA fighter
@@RichPT no one forces you to do jinga all the time. We do it in the game to keep moving, but anywhere else you can do it only when you need to change stance or prepare lateral or other movement
You didnt read the game manual. Its explained there.
@@autodigitvlogs yeah, i didn't had one. I am not even sure i had an official disk, lol
What a nice guy the MMA was!
This was obviously an exhibition, but spamming the same kick badly enough times is asking for even a non wrestler to just grab the leg, lift, and dump him on the ground.
Not to mention just a well timed solid right after it misses...again.
Yep. The mma guy has thrown other challengers so i was waiting for him to do it to this capoeirista too. But no throws in this one.
@@FightCommentary tbh the guy seems like the only ista they could get.
I'm a an ITF TKD guy, even as a heavyweight I love to throw a spinning heel...but this guy is playing Ryu on SNES SFII & just hits R over & over again.
I always thought a dodge followed up with an axe kick while they're still recovering would be pretty good. Lots of openening for anything, though.
First time I saw capoeira was the movie, "Only the Strong" (1993). It was before UFC, so it seemed like a capable style. The UFC really showed the limitations of a lot of styles
I like that movie starring Mark Dacascos. He happens to be a very talented martial artist in a few styles, including Capoeira which he studied under a master.
Shout out to the MMA guy, he was punching even lighter than in a friendly sparring
I know you mentioned having boxing and kickboxing would work to make capoeira more effective, however, as someone who has boxed, done capoeira, and other martial arts, I have to disagree. I think capoeira shines when it is mixed with other grappling arts. Part of this is because the kicks in capoeira are important, but overemphasized. The sweeps and takedowns are arguably more important and allow for more trickery. The sneaky capoeira entries are also more suited to grappling than striking.
I discovered capoeira as a small child when I was put in a summer program for drumming. The teacher also did some capoeira with us, but I didn't know that's what it was at that time.
Interesting that you said that. There's a video with Ramsey Dewey and Sensei Seth where they try to pick what combat sports work well with traditional martial arts and Ramsey chose to pair Capoeira with Freestyle wrestling. My grappling experience is very limited so that was an eye opener for me.
@@digitalg00dtimes58 Yeah that video was good. I didn’t understand the full potential of capoeira until I started grappling too. Boxing doesn’t hurt anything, but it just doesn’t marry well with capoeira like wrestling does.
You have a good point! I used to train capoeira devoutly now I train jiu jitsu…I do notice a synergy with the 2;the capoeira kicks/movements work really well for setting up takedowns, also the imanari roll is basically an au on your shoulders that you can go into a tesoura and then leglocks or leg drags from there. Plus using your arms like your legs for balance is always a good skill to have for balance.
@@poeguru88 It sounds like we have similar experiences! As much as people hate on the ginga, I found that it helped me to develop some good wrestling habits faster.
Yes ! When I was learning wrestling the stance drills felt like ginga stepping; almost identical. I was training at a jiu jitsu school where the teacher had a capoeira background and he showed a decida basica to single leg takedown; I would ve never thought of that !
I like this video. The mma guy showed the holes in his game without destroying him.
Lateef Crowder has some amazing training mixes with his Capoeira I think you would appreciate. The Heavyweight was being a professional for sure. Good breakdown. I don't think that gentleman was a good representation, but you identified that. I knew of this back in the 80's from a Kenpo demo by a group that came in. I am close to 50 and am recovering from back surgery, so I am doing the core movements slowly for rehab. No serious tricking, not for awhile. Anyways, GJ 8)
I discovered Capoeira from the film "Only the Strong" and studied it for more than 10 years. The capoeirista here is demonstrating a very limited move set, though. No attempted takedowns (banda, arrastao, tesouras), no short-range strikes (johelada, cutelevadas), just Martello/media Lua de compasso/quixadas. It looks like the capoeirista has at most a year or two under his belt.
This is awesome 👏🏻
Thank God someone said this. I was thinking the exact same. This martial artist just wasn't right for this sort of demonstration or experiment. There's so much more to this than what he was doing. He was so slow too
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Discovered capoeria at around 10ish via Eddie Gordo on TEKKEN3!
Eddie Gordo had a daughter that also did Capoeira in future Tekken games, right?
That's Christie and she's just his friend, and their master's daughter
*granddaughter
You guys are playing ps1 tekken while tekken 8 just released. No problem with retrogaming, retrogaming is awesome@@user-pr6se1pt3u
@@FightCommentary not sure! Looks like it’s his friend
The MMA heavyweight could have blasted him if he'd wanted to. Lots of openings for him. Good guy to train with for sure.
I don't know how effective capoeira actually is, but it looks fun AF to do.
It is so fun.
Fun fact in ancient Capoeira two knives were placed on the legs it's made for kill, A brutal fighting style made to kill those who hunted slaves in Brazil.
Yes! Thats something that i would love to see someone demonstrate some moves with. Do you know if any videos exist of techniques related to that?
that's actually a myth
Yes and no. It wasn't in ancient capoeira, but in capoeira carioca from the 19-th century. And they mostly had knives or batons in their hands. Unfortunately, capoeira carioca's techniques were mostly lost because a lot of practitioners were caught by the police, and they couldn't organize their own academy or something.
There were and still is a game where you hold one razor between your toes, tho
@@FightCommentary if you want to look at capoeira with knives, google jogo de navalha
@@FightCommentary a mestre attached knives to his feet for a demonstration, and people started saying that fighting with knives on your feet is a part of capoeira but it's not true, dude just did it because it looked cool.
With 10 years of capoeira experience under my belt, I think this video is very unfair. The capoeirsta in this video appeared to be at the early stages of his journey based on his technique.
Look up Marcus Aurelio. He is the son of a Mestre and has used his capoeira to defeat many mma fighters.
I learn so much from your commentary bro You should be UFC commentator
Thanks a lot! That means a lot to me! I hope to train some judo after I get my braces off. Then I’ll feel ready to commentate mma in a more expert way.
Thanks for replying bro
Every move has limitless applications. - Tony Jaa
Tony Jaa, by the way, became an international superstar with a CAPOEIRA guy as the FEATURED BADASS!
That capoeira guy is Lateef Crowder, very famous capoeira player and stunt man; he did stunts for the mandalorian series.
Thank goodness MMA guy wasn’t Strickland!
I learned of Capoerira after playing Tekken 3.
I first saw Capoeira probably in Tekken playing Eddie Gordo when I was like... 10?
Same here
Bob Wilson from Fatal Fury 3.
That was my intro. My friend uses no one else but him when FF3 first came out in the arcade. And I'm like: this guy has no punches. It's all legs.
Get Lateef Crowder in there. Hes pretty fast and really good.
I was 25, with Brazilian teachers trained 4-5 days a week for 3 years, great but for UFC and MMA need a mix of box, and jiu jitsu, mua tai or something. But it's a great workout and a lifestyle. Respect.
My first encounter with capoeira was through a videogame! The original Fatal fury for the sega genesis. There one of the characters is a capoerista.
That's amazing! I've never heard of Fatal Fury!
Mark Dacascos would’ve destroyed this MMA guy!!!! 😎 Only the strong style!! 💪😎
Facts 👍🏿 great commentary
Yeah, that dude had no trickery that should go with capoeira. But i think he just wanted to show techniques and survive, because i don't think he would do better with any other martial art at the same level against the MMA heavyweight champion, lmao
You got a point there. That mma guy is absolutely scary. I’ll show everyone another match soon where he straight up wwe suplexes a bruce lee imitator. And it was as big an arc as possible. So stay tuned! This video if it does well will lead to another one today, so thank you for your awesome comment and feel free to talk to some of the other viewers to keep the comments going!
Trickery, or "malicia". Yes, Capoeira movements like quixada and meia-lua decompasso are large and flashy, and telegraphed, but that's why an effective Capoeirista will telegraph a quixada to get their opponent to defend, but will transition into a different movement like martelo cruzado or switch into a meia lua and get them that way.
@@vinceyim8526 exactly. People are too indoctrinated with that karate mentality, that only way for kicks and punches not being "telegraphed" are being so fast enemy can't see them. Like they don't get that several different moves can have the same start, so you don't know which one is actually coming
If, like me, you discovered capoeira through Tekken 3 at 10 years old, you could be forgiven for thinking it was the ultimate unbeatable maetial art 😂
To be fair, an uppercut(ewgf) doesn't launch anyone either. Front kicks or round house is more practical after a few jabs.
😆😆
I first discovered capoeira by playing as Eddie Gordo in Tekken 3.
Very flashy, martial art, but not very well implemented in real combat, because of the different exposures and nothing to counter when opponents close the distance. I’m pretty sure some of those kicks are very dangerous but it’s not too much of a problem if you realize that there’s a lot of flashiness and distance.
"nothing to counter when opponents close the distance"
There are techniques, but not everyone train elbow and palm strikes, because people don't want to get hurt. Look like with martial arts is two ways: in the end you know how to fight, but you body is broken after couple of years, or you are relatively healthy, but don't know how to fight at a good level
@@alexkozliayev9902 there are also a bunch of takedowns that can be done when someone is close
@@Gabriel-px8cv Yeah that too. In this video the guy had an opportunity to do tesouro de frente on MMA guy's knee, and he probably wouldn't recognize that he is being thrown at first.
But it's also, always easier to talk than do :D
I was 7 or 8. I learned of it's existence from Tekken! I didn't start training until I was 19. I've been on and off training since 2020 but now focus on BJJ. Capoeira by itself, in my opinion isn't going to win you any fights. Now, in a Capoeira vs. Capoeira fight, sure, you can fight and it can work, but like you said striking isn't a big part of it and rarely, at least in the U.S. is it marketed as a way to fight/self defense. I love capoeira for the movement, balance, and body awareness that it gave me to get into BJJ.
How's your BJJ journey going?
@@FightCommentary it has it’s ups and downs but it’s going great so far! I’m learning slowly and also looking for ways to marry my Capoeira knowledge to my now growing bjj knowledge to help me win more rolls and hold my own against any capoeira jerks who wanna get rough, lol! I have my first tournament in April, so I’m excited!
Yes the range was an issue. The MMA guy was super nice. Worth mentioning the major size difference, which the MMA guy wasn't taking advantage of, being nice. Props for the Capo guy being willing to try some sparring though.
I'm not going to dispute what the results would be between a MMA fighter and a Capoerista. But I have to ask what is the actual format of the show they were on, because neither guy looked like they were trying to actually fight. It looked like they held a Pro wrestling match on the equivalent on AMG.
So I actually watched this, what's currently happening is phase 1, where contestants are competing for a spot on one of two fight teams based on their performance against one of 5 pro fighters that they fight an "audition" match with, like this one and also the girl from the previous video. After both teams filled up, the phase 2 of the show was supposed to be like a TUF kind of thing. Show never made it to phase 2 (I suspect it got its funding pulled in the beginning), and as this is basically an audition with pro fighters vs amateurs, the pros aren't going to be going all out anyways.
@@MasterZhang Interesting! I would have liked to see that I think. I just checked out the Shaolin Girl. Were all the contestants TMA practitioners?
@@digitalg00dtimes58Nope, mixed bag. From recollection, a lot (like at least half) are actually combat sports hobbyists. Others are pretty much complete newbies like personal trainers or yoga instructors.
Yeah this guy wasn’t representative of an experienced capoeira practitioner. Capoeira is a very well rounded martial art within itself. That said not many Capoeiristas today train to fight. It’s not an issue with the techniques in the art, but the mentality of many practitioners. And it’s only a problem if the ability to fight is what they want to get out of it; which I find not to be the case most of the time these days. However to broadly say that Capoeiristas only dance around in the roda and don’t spar or fight is a generalization and is not true in all cases. It is in many cases though.
I frst came across Capoeira in an episode of Kung Fu called The Stone when I was 15.
That is interesting! Is there a UA-cam link to that?
@@FightCommentary ua-cam.com/video/F98ohlyuVYE/v-deo.html
youtube.com/watch?v=bPhalszKM
@@FightCommentary I tried posting videos for you but they didn't come on,so instead type in search.
Kung Fu:Caine Learns about Capoeira(Brazilian Martial Art)
Kung Fu:Caine versus Moses Gunn
Capoeira is a great system for cardio and flexibility, but it is another system that is almost completely useless to most of its practitioners. In any kind of real contact engagement, this guy would have been slaughtered.
In particular this guy. He's pretty slow. A more experienced practitioner like Lelo or even Anderson Silva (who has a capoeira background) would have had a more fair chance on account of being more agile. And it is my understanding that even Lelo is trained in BJJ and perhaps other disciplines.
But not this guy. He looks like even a more modestly trained boxer (like myself) could time his initial movements and then rush him. Too slow and predictable.
I wouldn't call it completely useless. Look up Brazilian UFC fighter Michel Pereira, who incorporates actual Capoeira movements into his moveset, and even some movements that one wouldn't expect to see in MMA, like backflipping onto his opponent.
@@vinceyim8526 incorporating movements with another style is a whole different conversation. Having styles that are mixed together can be extremely effective. Im talking about this video and the way this fighter is only showing copiera style movement. In a real “knockout” style of fight, most copiera only practitioners will get hammered by a skilled fighter. Even a mildly trained mma fighter can be very formidable in a hand to hand battle.
I was first exposed to it by Tekken Dark Ressurection as I recall but I didn't know its name
That's Tekken 5. I had to look up the name to see which one it was ;)
Aha I see you found the other episodes.
You should do one on the last episodes where they got Sang Weilin and a retired female San Da champ whose name I don't remember to do it too. You can see that the pro fighters are clearly fighting different when they're fighting veterans in the sport.
I'll take a look. I got the Italian Kungfu guy next ;) Have you seen that one?
0:48 As a capoeira enthusiast, but not a practitioner, I noticed that this distance is super WRONG for a capoeirista, as it is not close enough for the capoeirista to grab and headbutt the opponent, and too close to the other fighter's fists. An above-average capoeirista would try to grab in some way. The video called "CAPOEIRA vs. GRAPPLING | MMA-Streetfight | DFC" shows what the distance should be for a capoeirista, vs someone from MMA.
Capoeira have two faces, you can be capoeira fighter or capoeira player.
95% capoeristas are players ; )
Capoeira have many things to offer.. god cardio, good strenght, good movement and coordination... Have ALL kind of kicks... Punches, slaps, elbows, headbuts, sweeps, takedowns and grappling... But is easier to sell capoeira as "movement training" and call it "brasilian martial art" instead of calling it what they teach...
Movement
(Ps. I am not a hater, i love capoeira. It was my first martial art style and i like to do it when i can.... Even if i do not train it (officialy) for more than 15 years now.... Capoeira is great. But martial arts need some "contact" to call it "fighting")
Yes! The capoeira headbutts are the moves i didnt get to learn when i was training. I didnt like the cord system. Reminded me too much of the tma belt system. And also like you said, it provides amazing cardio. When i got back into muay thai briefly i was always able to pull off a deceptive kick in sparring. Anyways, how big was your capoeira group when you were training?
@@FightCommentary when i started my training, my group was around 15-20people in the club(but numbers was changing all the time). But i was young and my goal was just to do acrobatic, cool things etc not realy fighting : p
With time my goals changed a bit.
I also had a pieriot that i was running my own capoeira club in my university for one year(just for fun as a free activity for students) and then i was focus on basic capoeira moves and pads kicking etc.
Buut i was lucky enogh that i tried two sides of Capoeira. The pretty one ( what most people know) and the "ugly one" where was also grappling and "contact" included heh.
About cordas. Some groups have cordas some have cordaos. I was not intrested in colecting them: p had yellow corda (3lvl in capoeira) and later i changed group where they was using cordao and my corda dod not count soo i dhould go from 0: p and then i decided to not care about grading and i was skipping all graduations heh.
Yeah, that grading stuff was so annoying. Running your own capoeira club briefly must have been fun!
That's the chunkiest capoeira practitioner I've ever seen. Not saying he's fat but every other practitioner I've seen has been super lean and shredded
Alex on my channel is a chunkier Capoeirista and he moves like a lean guy. So chunkiness doesn’t necessarily stop athleticism. It just probably makes the cardio harder.
I didn’t really think anything of it. Mostly it was a friendly exhibition for a prime time show. No intent of landing any serious blows, just giving some eye candy for the audience.
MMA fella is a gentle giant.
Yep
hahaha dude look like he had a Cheese Burger before the fight.
Dont we all
@@FightCommentary heck no. No one eats a cheese burger before a fight haha
@@khmerbraveheart i do
@@The_true_Joe_mama oh my.. hah hey, do you. Don't let my comment affect you.
@@khmerbraveheart I need that carb and fat to absorb the spinning kicks. I jam them charging with my belly. I then use the Grease to escape grappling.
JCVD film The Quest /Tekken 3 Eddy Gordo
He seems to be a one kick pony. Why not use lower kicks or different kicks, some throws (which Cap has)?
One kick pony is an epic expression!
@@FightCommentary Thank you. Feel free to use it ;-)
Capoeira is extremely effective in a street fight, especially if you cross train with BJJ. We leave the ginga for the mats
If one watches Manson Gibson and KNOWS Capoeira's moves, then one knows a CAPOEIRA trained fighter can fight just like him.
Just like MANSON GIBSON!! 100!! NO CAP!!
SEE FIR YOURSELVES!!
Anderson Silva had amazing strikes because he knows this fighting style.
This comes down to a lack of preparation and pressure testing for the match. He has weapons that can work but the heart of Capoeira is deception. He needed to have some kickboxing or even a combat karate guy give him some orthodox attacks and defense or he is fooling nobody!
Capoeira is not dance, but game. They are not dancing, but playing. It is different.
I have been doing capoeira for 20 years and been around the world and with diff groups. This guy is absolutely not representative of a style that would be optimal for this PARTICULAR venue. His shirt indicates he’s part of a group that really focuses on elite level acrobatics and spinning stuff. The guy did no straight kicks and no roundhouse kicks which do exist along with knees , spinning back kicks ,palm strikes and in many groups punches ! What people do not get about capoeira is that nuance is strewn about the style so much that you won’t see the diff styles unless you’re in it and you have been to many diff schools , this guy is clearly not representative of the style that would fit this venue - and at the same damn time , there is such a thing as purer forms of capoeira
there's a lot of unstable positions when only one foot on the ground while spinning.
His voice made the video entertaining. Lol
Appreciate the compliment!
Look like they were sparring capoeira is more for warm up ,, practice I’m sure if used more aggressively like a set up for a roundhouse kick could be effective if it gets you working out it’s kool
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CAPOEIRA, believe it or not, has elbow and knee strikes.
Also what happens to this guy on the ground?
Any experienced soon bahk do, tang soo do, tae kwan do, or jeet kwon do practitioner would've ended that fight after the 2nd kick
This isn't a fight the heavyweight was sound as hell In this fair play....
Man he is lucky he is not facing an Wrestle judo guy, he would have been suplexed
Dig the braces, brother!
is this a real tournament or are they just doing a demo. If this was, that would explain a lot why MMA guy isn't trying to hurt the capoeira guy and might also be a reason why capoeira guy isn't landing any hits too
Jerry, you have huge muscular calves, man. What’d you do? Triathlon?!
Yeah
I am not entirely sure why this UA-camr is commenting on anything even touching fighting lol but ok. So this martial art gets a bad rap. And it definitely was invented to be a fighting style disguised as a dance because it was illegal. However this doesn't mean at all it isn't a legit or dangerous martial art. The fighter in this video just doesn't much know what he's doing and isn't in very good shape. Maybe he's a beginner? I don't know. If you put someone way more experienced and dangerous in this video the outcome probably wouldn't have been altogether different, but way better and far improved.
😃 - 💪🏾APOEIRA HAS MANSON GIBSON'S SPINNING ✊🏾💫 BACKFIST!!
I mean who would ever show those moves and stuns while u are surviving to win in the battle? Plus what's the closeup combat/counter for Capoeira 😂😅
Ok. This is bs . No low leg kicks no tripping no double kicks, no arial kocks, no grapplong of all your trying to do is promote mma just say so. Because any real martial artist would destroy a mma fighter
Mix it with maui Thai like Toni jai and yep that when I first saw it in only the strong. But it one guy that makes it look hard to beat he played in a few movies he did every move Eddie did on tekken.
It's pretty obvious the mma guy felt sorry for him😅.
Yea he's dancing, not fighting. I've been practicing capoeira for 20 years. This is yet another capoeirista that has almost no serious sparing. Not even são bento grande. People think this is how all capoeiristas are. You should check out the schools that have their own tournaments too. Unfortunately there are a lot of styles of capoeira that ONLY teach it as a dance. It's just like Tai chi tho. Some people practice for health and fitness only, some to cause damage. This dude needs more preasure testing in his own academy first at least.
The capoeirista is performing "play" with his capoeira. Je probably doesn't understand how to transform his capoeira to a more martial approach. That being said Capoeira like any other martial tradition has to practice objective sparring and drills that address martial aspects and the ginga is not to be performed this way in even a simulated combat format.
How long has Capoeira guy been practicing Capoeira?.
10 years
10 years With that ginga and kick form? Very sloppy ginga. You can always tell how much time someone has in capoeira based on their ginga. That does not look like 10 years at all, 2 years I can see. Maybe he thought about doing capoeira for 8 years and actually trained for 2?
There's no speed/torque on that spin kick. Ineffective and open to counters.
The awkward moment when a grappler learns capoeira. Aka MMA. 💀
No take down
I'd bet $1.20 on the MMA guy winning...
So you have a famous MMA fighting a Capoeira with very little range of movements and 2 or 3 years experience max. It's like getting a Capoeira with a good 5 years and MMA or cage fighting experience and fighting a MMA novice. I have great respect for any martial arts but bring two guys of equal level and height. Make it interesting. In a real fight using capoeira it's only practical against another Capoeira as things like wide movements and straight legs is dangerous unless very experienced Capoeira fighter. Go check Capoeira championships or clashes in street rodas. I have seen scarier female capoeiristas than the guy in the video. Bring a Brazilian guy of the same height lol
Dude soon as match starts I'm like MMA kick him to other side,and I'm not pro fighter 😊
The mma guy might as well have been a boxer and the capoeira guy was really only showing a one sided mea luia de compass instead of continuing on low and high line after the initial kick instead of going for sweep take down neither one was really sparring
Imagine if capoeirista knew how to banda 😇😇
Is this Chinese Capoeira?
He’s likely a person who trained under a brazilian who lives or works in china.
@@FightCommentaryHonestly it looks like he focused on performances and rodas like you said. He moves like a first year student. I’m sure you are way better than him. Still hats off for him doing whatever that was
@@UnknownFeng I think you nailed on the head when you said, "he focused on performances...." this looked like the performance of a fight instead of an actual fight.
This would have no chance in MMA
Old heads be like " ba na na wayyy, ba na na way, ba na na ."
Yep. Paranue is how it’s spelled 😇 Great song!
This is not proper capooeira. Yes he's kicking but there is no ginga, capooeira should be always moving, ginga is "to sway" keep moving and your hands should be up to protect the head.
Too slow this guy would be ko’d in a ufc fight in the first minute
Not the best representation of Capoeira. There are many low striking kicks in Capoeira that, without an obvious GINGA, are indistinguishable from MMA "Kickboxing" low kicks to the knee, oblique kicks.
A Capoeira fighter could be a front kick specialist.
Gotta show some Marcus Aurelio to contrast this
How? Who's he?
What kind of hand moves DOES a... CAPOEIRISTA... use in a REAL fight?
Rooftops, then only the strong, followed by power rangers
Mma in slow mo
This capoeira guy has no defence at all in close range, just close the distance for boxing range, and do boxing combo
Yep
Its not full on, just like they only playing around.
This guy is leaving his pills wide open for attack every time he does his cartwheel thing, he needs to remember what happened to Black Momba before he gets one of them or possibly both of them handed to him.
Are you a Martial artist? I'm a green stripe (Almost green belt) in ITF Taekwondo, a yellow belt (almost an advanced yellow in Kodekan Danzan Ryu Jiu jitsu) and also in Inayan Eskrima
I’d invest my time in different arts
Bro, not to discourage you, but it's hard to get taken seriously as any kind of authority when all your belts are yellow. Keep at it, perhaps pick one to run with, but that's a beginner in all 3 disciplines.
He addresses this at the end of the video, he trained in Kung Fu and did Capoeira for a year.
My advice: do boxing and muay thai for a solid year and then take another look at tma. Training tma first leads to very bad habits. I was training in boxing and muay thai when i rediscovered capoeira and decided to train. And even by training capoeira it gave me bad habits that when i went back into muay thai i was still correcting.
@@FightCommentary I second this. I did kung fu (choi li fut / wing chun)for 3 years
I got knocked silly by a 14 year old who did boxing for less than a year.
After that experience I’ve been doing Muay Thai for the past 15 years and adding a Mexican style boxing in the past year
TMA=traditional martial arts? @@FightCommentary
I grew up wrestling in high school and Junior High, I remember a guy wanted to fight me and he was doing that, after the fourth time he did that , I shot in for a double leg, and that was it, took him to the ground and beat the hell out of him, you can do any fighting style you want, but if you're not a wrestler and know how to fight, it's pretty much over
A capoeira guy challenged you? That’s hilarious! Did he know you were a wrestler?
That was the slowest kicking I've ever seen you can literally see he's doing it 10 seconds before he throws it. What a bunch of trash.
Capoeira newbie guy
LOL. I though capoeira was a type of sausage... 😇
That’s hilarious!