The Admins want to reduce the Damage Mobs deal so that you dont just randomly get oneshotted. But at the same time they also want to nerf every healing item like the Zombie Swords, the Orbs or the Wands from Rev Slayer, because now you can instantly heal full with like two clicks. They want you to slowly loose Health but also heal it much slower. So Healer will be quite important to keep the party healthy. But at the same Time Tank will be a bit less important, because the other classes wont get oneshotted anymore.
u can’t ‘just wanna play dungeons’ past f3 mate you need to memorise every secret and get a major in particle physics to help you aim better also ur probably a juju shadow assassin non
used to play almost all classes except healer when I had my pc. The problem with that I had was joining a dungeon lobby and getting kicked instantly. Sad times
honestly... when playing tank, you don't really need a reaper mask, based on my experience, it's 10x easier to play on f7 with slime hat because no knockback, and if you have stuff like soul whip and gloomlock grimoire, you're pretty much good to go even as cata 30 without reaper mask, but you still might need some practice, f7 isn't like you get good gear and you can easily beat it, you actually need to practice a bit to start doing S+ runs but honestly... i've been playing mage before, but because mage on f7 is locked behind hyperion, it would be much cheaper to just get a new armor set and a few healing items for tank, and luckily enough this made me drop a handle, so i can go back to playing mage, it's not like you have to play tank from the start, but once you decide to add an another class to the mix
@KA Flocrow okay, and? It only applies to normal kb, but withers deal true kb, not to mention that tank passive kb resistance is bugged and it randomly stops working, so even if you got turtle with shelmet and played tank, you would still take knockback, unlike with slime hat that decreases the kb for 99% of things (the only thing that works is shockwave attack of maxor and storm)
@KA Flocrow nope, slime hat works differently Shelmet only blocks normal knockback, so you still take kb from wither skulls, traps or goldor's claymores, you only don't take kb from mobs in the dungeon Slime hat blocks true knockback, so it's just a shelmet but better, because f7 bosses can't deal kb to you at all (unlike shelmet which only blocks a part of that) however as a downside, slime hat sometimes makes you get stuck in lava without launching Just play f7 and compare the results, unless you can't do it yet, like everyone uses slime hat in higher level parties for devices and luring storm... unless it's m7, then you need that ehp from the diamond necron head
@KA Flocrow then the wiki is wrong, shelmet doesn't prevent from true kb but slime hat does Literally every serious f7 player uses this item, especially when playing tank or being assigned to do devices
@KA Flocrow did you check it during the f7 bossfight though? knockback works differently there and shelmets are basically disabled there (i literally have shelmet on my blue whale btw) also if you're cata 32+, you can easily survive with just 2 goldor pieces as tank, so that doesn't really matter anyways
@KA Flocrow ALL classes take knockback during the bossfight on f7 regardless if you use shelmet, turtle or you're tank, not sure if it's because of the mobs or because f7 disables all knockback immunities besides slime hat... but if you get slime hat, lava won't launch you up 90% of the time, causing you to die after 5s if you don't react fast enough, so you have to use it only when it's necessary you can play without it as tank, you'll heal much faster, but it will be extremly painful to lure maxor and storm
healer also has the benefit of being almost unkillable and being cheepest class but you got some points also at least f4-6 parties actually like healer cuz tanks have hard time in these
Well, I am a mage right now. But I'm on my way to the juju shortbow. After unlocking it, I will go for archer. Mage is too expensive. Weapons are starting to reach 20m+. But archer is cheap and good. I go for mage earlier because aurora staff is op + starting weapon low requirement
I was a “juju non” for a while doing f5 and f6 but couldn’t do f6 that well because I couldn’t find tanks so became a tank so less people with have that problem
you forgot to mention that good master mode archers for higher floors need ferro mana and mana drain from mages to deal the max possible dps. ok u got the term archer mm correct. archer best mm can be disputed by mage as mage beam is pretty op as it can do int limit.
My progression is Healer(get carried in earlier floors) - Bers(Decent in sub t4) - Juju non all the way till m3 where i got a term and hype - healer(mm7) - lcm(mm7)
Why did they put a requirement on Flower of Truth. I am now obligated to use aspect of the dragons wich sucs since aspect of the dragons is useless in dungeons
you forgot about the midas staff, it makes the item gate of hyperion a bit smaller, like by, lets say 200m because its 100mish for a 50m and about 150m-200m , but it does nearly the same as a hyperion *from what ive seen* and no req *unless you count money as one* the main downside is that, for people that SOMEHOW managed to afford one before storm and necro lord, its mana cost is the same as a hyperion
No I don't recommend it because it's not very versatile, hard to aim, bad for clearing, it gets blocked by carpet but mainly it blocks arrows, and your teammates will hate you
@@Gronkiy It really doesn’t block arrows, arrows still send hit packets, admins changed it recently. BUT THEY DIDNT. So now it only blocks arrows 50% of the time..
@@velqt When are you gonna be in a team with a terminator but still use a midas staff? Also that was patched ages ago, I love people talking about glitches they never experienced
berserker isnt item gated, it is for mastermode as you NEED a terminator as you will get kicked from all parties without a terminator. berserker deals more damage overtime due to the bloodlust boost. so another point wrong, it is overall not too much worse than archer if you have same gear.
i wont get hyperion, finishing floor 7 is just impossible with my stuff. But i have the money. So what should i get, a bers setup with shadow fury or livid dagger fully maxed out, or a mage setup with spirit sceptre?
@@Gronkiy i can have hype, but i dont have the requirements. The thing is, i stopped playing for 2 years so when i got back, i sold all of my old stuff, and my minions made me so much money, i had some flint minions placed, and 64 e flint makes like 300k. So i could buy it, but i dont play much, so i dont have the requirements
man forgets the chimera 5 t7 claymore, the lvl 200 gdrag, the 1b bank, the 2 wither blades needed, one with chim 5, and the diamond head for lcm. lmaoooo. what did i say about no knowlege about master mode
can you shut about master mode as you dont even play it. the meta for m3 is 4bers 1 arch for higher catas a 3bers 1 arch one tank for lower catas. m5 is 3ber 1 arch 1 tank. m4 is 2ber, 1 arch, 1 mage, one tank, m6 is no dupes, and m7 is no dupes at high cata and 2ber 1t 1a and 1h. mastiff + traps = milestone 9. u dont need trap room, almost all rooms have it. you can also tether tank in lower catas.
Bruh I bought a bunch of mage gear and then they redisabled dungeons, so I made an auto brewer for intelligence and then they disabled redstone. So I grinded a bunch of money and got scammed 💀
you should NEVER play tank in floor 6. if you can squeeze enough dps in boss, you dont need the tank, the blessings plus a decent cata means that you can do terras pretty easily. you need a clear set for tank in mm, you have to have. aterm or you will get kicked from good parties. good teams in m3 dont need a tank. good f7 parties dont need tanks as they run 4mage 1 archer or 5 mages.
As a tank. I wholeheartedly disagree. I think my AFKing in boss is VERY helpful and EVERYONE needs me. (Tho seriously I’m only there for the Carrie’s lol. People do it for me cus I’m tanks and they don’t know they don’t need me.)
The Admins want to reduce the Damage Mobs deal so that you dont just randomly get oneshotted. But at the same time they also want to nerf every healing item like the Zombie Swords, the Orbs or the Wands from Rev Slayer, because now you can instantly heal full with like two clicks. They want you to slowly loose Health but also heal it much slower. So Healer will be quite important to keep the party healthy. But at the same Time Tank will be a bit less important, because the other classes wont get oneshotted anymore.
i just wanna play dungeons man..
Your the kinda people that get insta kicked from f6 s+ runs then
@@Wildfire1238 what did he do?
@@Wildfire1238 homie what r u saying
u can’t ‘just wanna play dungeons’ past f3 mate you need to memorise every secret and get a major in particle physics to help you aim better also ur probably a juju shadow assassin non
@@Wildfire1238 why is u mad lmfao
used to play almost all classes except healer when I had my pc. The problem with that I had was joining a dungeon lobby and getting kicked instantly. Sad times
Healer rip
That probably meant that you were trying to overextend urself by doing floors that you weren’t good enough for the party
I would recommend the yeti sword maxed it’s pretty good I jumped from Midas too yeti 20m dif
honestly... when playing tank, you don't really need a reaper mask, based on my experience, it's 10x easier to play on f7 with slime hat because no knockback, and if you have stuff like soul whip and gloomlock grimoire, you're pretty much good to go even as cata 30 without reaper mask, but you still might need some practice, f7 isn't like you get good gear and you can easily beat it, you actually need to practice a bit to start doing S+ runs
but honestly... i've been playing mage before, but because mage on f7 is locked behind hyperion, it would be much cheaper to just get a new armor set and a few healing items for tank, and luckily enough this made me drop a handle, so i can go back to playing mage, it's not like you have to play tank from the start, but once you decide to add an another class to the mix
@KA Flocrow okay, and?
It only applies to normal kb, but withers deal true kb, not to mention that tank passive kb resistance is bugged and it randomly stops working, so even if you got turtle with shelmet and played tank, you would still take knockback, unlike with slime hat that decreases the kb for 99% of things (the only thing that works is shockwave attack of maxor and storm)
@KA Flocrow nope, slime hat works differently
Shelmet only blocks normal knockback, so you still take kb from wither skulls, traps or goldor's claymores, you only don't take kb from mobs in the dungeon
Slime hat blocks true knockback, so it's just a shelmet but better, because f7 bosses can't deal kb to you at all (unlike shelmet which only blocks a part of that) however as a downside, slime hat sometimes makes you get stuck in lava without launching
Just play f7 and compare the results, unless you can't do it yet, like everyone uses slime hat in higher level parties for devices and luring storm... unless it's m7, then you need that ehp from the diamond necron head
@KA Flocrow then the wiki is wrong, shelmet doesn't prevent from true kb but slime hat does
Literally every serious f7 player uses this item, especially when playing tank or being assigned to do devices
@KA Flocrow did you check it during the f7 bossfight though? knockback works differently there and shelmets are basically disabled there (i literally have shelmet on my blue whale btw)
also if you're cata 32+, you can easily survive with just 2 goldor pieces as tank, so that doesn't really matter anyways
@KA Flocrow ALL classes take knockback during the bossfight on f7 regardless if you use shelmet, turtle or you're tank, not sure if it's because of the mobs or because f7 disables all knockback immunities besides slime hat... but if you get slime hat, lava won't launch you up 90% of the time, causing you to die after 5s if you don't react fast enough, so you have to use it only when it's necessary
you can play without it as tank, you'll heal much faster, but it will be extremly painful to lure maxor and storm
When you wanted to join to see if you could do mage without hype and relise you’ve got another 1b to go
11:05 update: spirit bow is now a shortbow too! I think it’s around 1m on ah and it’s nearly as good as juju in dungeons!
*7 mil
@@Gronkiy oh damn guess people caught on pretty quickly 😅
This is incredible! Your channel is exploding in popularity! Congrats man, please remember me in about a week when you have a million!
healer also has the benefit of being almost unkillable and being cheepest class but you got some points
also at least f4-6 parties actually like healer cuz tanks have hard time in these
a good tank will always be superior in these floors tho
My timeline:
Berserker -> Archer -> Mage -> Ber/archer (Now) -> Berserker (After f7 carry)
My is bers to Archer to tank to bers to tank to bers to tank to Archer now
my is healer》bers》mage》arch》mage》archer》tank》bers》 not playing dungeons
Me who’s just sits back as healer the whole time
my bers to arch
Mine is Tank,Mage,Bers,arch(on lower floors),after f7 carry probably bers/arch
Well, I am a mage right now. But I'm on my way to the juju shortbow. After unlocking it, I will go for archer. Mage is too expensive. Weapons are starting to reach 20m+. But archer is cheap and good.
I go for mage earlier because aurora staff is op + starting weapon low requirement
Nice video, your points are valid and helpful, but you forgot to talk about midas spoon.
Yea I was thinking about putting the midas staff in but now I realised I should've
this video is acc good bc ik so clueless in dungeons its crazy (f6 juju non) 💀
The only thing I can memorize is dungeon secrets
I was a “juju non” for a while doing f5 and f6 but couldn’t do f6 that well because I couldn’t find tanks so became a tank so less people with have that problem
what armor is good for tank?
Nice Vid! My fav part was the roast of healer!
you forgot to mention that good master mode archers for higher floors need ferro mana and mana drain from mages to deal the max possible dps. ok u got the term archer mm correct. archer best mm can be disputed by mage as mage beam is pretty op as it can do int limit.
Archer does less dps than LCM but qol bers does more damage than both
My progression is
Healer(get carried in earlier floors) - Bers(Decent in sub t4) - Juju non all the way till m3 where i got a term and hype - healer(mm7) - lcm(mm7)
how did you get a term and a hype in m3
@@1cj irl trading
@@God_is_real_iguess makes sense
i love u bro i love ur videos and ty for this chill video
In short play mage until mastermode
Mage would be the best class but it’s so expensive
Why did they put a requirement on Flower of Truth. I am now obligated to use aspect of the dragons wich sucs since aspect of the dragons is useless in dungeons
you forgot about the midas staff, it makes the item gate of hyperion a bit smaller, like by, lets say 200m
because its 100mish for a 50m and about 150m-200m , but it does nearly the same as a hyperion *from what ive seen* and no req *unless you count money as one* the main downside is that, for people that SOMEHOW managed to afford one before storm and necro lord, its mana cost is the same as a hyperion
No I don't recommend it because it's not very versatile, hard to aim, bad for clearing, it gets blocked by carpet but mainly it blocks arrows, and your teammates will hate you
@@Gronkiy It really doesn’t block arrows, arrows still send hit packets, admins changed it recently. BUT THEY DIDNT. So now it only blocks arrows 50% of the time..
@@thawsomepancakes3615 It blocks arrows and ur midas does less damage than ur archers term so just dont bother
@@velqt When are you gonna be in a team with a terminator but still use a midas staff? Also that was patched ages ago, I love people talking about glitches they never experienced
@@thawsomepancakes3615 It still reduces damage of arrows because of piercing for some reason and also blocks some arrows.
"Not that many tanks around"
Me when I start a party and 3 tanks join:💀
I'm tank for boss room of f5/f6/f7, archer for all
My timeline
Mage -> bers -> Mage (hype) -> archer (term) -> bers
i bet 350,000$ you dont have a pig minion in your first enderchest
Bers gang - like 👍🏼
Mage gang - reply 💬
Im archer gang what should i do lmao
@@alimanzooralimanzoor9592 bers
berserker isnt item gated, it is for mastermode as you NEED a terminator as you will get kicked from all parties without a terminator. berserker deals more damage overtime due to the bloodlust boost. so another point wrong, it is overall not too much worse than archer if you have same gear.
I was talking about regular dungeons :/
Berserker is the highest possible dps class because of qol bers
@@velqt Lcm still better
@@thawsomepancakes3615 Nope. QOL bers does more DPS than LCM and so does duplex term archer
Like i played all classes but my opinion mage is best and now im a mage :D
Mage now is not bad cus midas got fixed but still blocks arrows so rip
As a second child / middle child I love healer
My time line mage-bers-healer-tank-mage-berz-mage-arch
Spirit specter needs floor 6 completion
i once lvl healer to lvl 30 yea nobody ever wanted me
Nice video
i wont get hyperion, finishing floor 7 is just impossible with my stuff. But i have the money. So what should i get, a bers setup with shadow fury or livid dagger fully maxed out, or a mage setup with spirit sceptre?
Imo if you don't have hype don't go mage
@@Gronkiy i can have hype, but i dont have the requirements. The thing is, i stopped playing for 2 years so when i got back, i sold all of my old stuff, and my minions made me so much money, i had some flint minions placed, and 64 e flint makes like 300k. So i could buy it, but i dont play much, so i dont have the requirements
@@wadakipvp tbh I would just get an F7 carry and then get hype
@@Gronkiy I think i will do that, my purse is about to take an absolute beating
@@Gronkiy But it doesnt seem really fun to use hype, is it just me or berseker seems more fun?
Archer is way betterthan mage Guys. If you are new, Start archer or berserk
man forgets the chimera 5 t7 claymore, the lvl 200 gdrag, the 1b bank, the 2 wither blades needed, one with chim 5, and the diamond head for lcm. lmaoooo. what did i say about no knowlege about master mode
I said it was expensive lol what is your point
Play all classes for class avg
yep
can you shut about master mode as you dont even play it. the meta for m3 is 4bers 1 arch for higher catas a 3bers 1 arch one tank for lower catas. m5 is 3ber 1 arch 1 tank. m4 is 2ber, 1 arch, 1 mage, one tank, m6 is no dupes, and m7 is no dupes at high cata and 2ber 1t 1a and 1h. mastiff + traps = milestone 9. u dont need trap room, almost all rooms have it. you can also tether tank in lower catas.
I said I don't play mm, and also I never really disagreed with what you said
U kinda want healer in master mode buddy
Bruh I bought a bunch of mage gear and then they redisabled dungeons, so I made an auto brewer for intelligence and then they disabled redstone. So I grinded a bunch of money and got scammed 💀
Bro that's kinda sad
@@Gronkiy bro the scammer had 50 alts and now Im muted for a week
It said “under review” after being scammed and then before I could read the message it said it was reviewed, clearly the people who review are lazy
Rip bonzo
nice vid
Bruh u said the progression for arch is bad cuz it goes from 40 to 600m coins but mags goes from 15m to 1.1b ???
I said mage was good from f1-6 and bad to the hyperion, that was one of disadvantages
Please do healer guide
Healer doesn't really have any gear on its own which is the problem
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1:15 me a middle child
term is now 1.1b 😭😭😭😭
inflation is real
Why u making fun of my main class...
It's really helpful in f6
I could buy a terminator right now but I don’t have ender slayer 7. Man I hate ender slayer big time!!!! So grindy and shitty
Agreed
ong bruh
im going to play tank lol
Dungeons r closed
Is Yeti Sword good for F7??
nah imo its not
@@Gronkiy and for f6 bc i got it :(
@@heeheeheehaw727 f6 is good tho
none bc dungeons down always now
Ik I can't stream now
I’m the middle child…
JUJU
Non
Quit teasing us I check everyday and it’s not working!
I know what you mean
I quit a year ago could you do and update video but like only the new stuff anything after shadow assassin and livid I don’t know what’s good now
hi
1.1b hyp, what a joke
you should NEVER play tank in floor 6. if you can squeeze enough dps in boss, you dont need the tank, the blessings plus a decent cata means that you can do terras pretty easily. you need a clear set for tank in mm, you have to have. aterm or you will get kicked from good parties. good teams in m3 dont need a tank. good f7 parties dont need tanks as they run 4mage 1 archer or 5 mages.
If you don't have a good party you will die in terras, and obviously if you are cata 40 you don't need a tank lol, but that's not the target audience
As a tank. I wholeheartedly disagree. I think my AFKing in boss is VERY helpful and EVERYONE needs me. (Tho seriously I’m only there for the Carrie’s lol. People do it for me cus I’m tanks and they don’t know they don’t need me.)
You can tell he’s the youngest child 😂
When dinjieueiormsns open
i think you are mage
Yes although bers is still my favourite class
Nice vid