Arching On Bench Might Actually Be Banned
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I'm here for it. Problem is numbers would go down dramatically and some people would have to actually get strong.
Actually get strong, in power lifting, unacceptable.
There needs to be a new record board for AAB. After Arch Ban.
I don't see a problem, personally!
Or IPF loses a bunch of competitors to other promotions that still allow wonky ass benching. Ultimately it's up to the fans to support promotions that endorse standards that they agree with, we'll just have to see how it all shakes out
@@lordfaustmessiah There are people really close to a 1 inch range of motion bench - thats acceptable to you? Don't forget strength sports is about proving who is the strongest, not who comes closest in completely reducing ROM.
90 degree elbow rule would probably be the most sensible solution. Upper arms need to reach a 90° angle at the bottom of the lift to count.
what about fat bois that cant reach 90°
good idea..don't know..but is it possible for a guy with a massive chest to achieve a 90° angle?
@@vintagelifts unlucky
I think the tricep must be parallel with the bench or the bottom surface of the tricep must at least reach the bottom of the shoulder is kinda enough. 90-degree elbow seems to be too strict for wide grip bench press or some special body composition situation.
@@Kurikost_ 400lbs on a bar will sink into that fat chest until it reaches muscle, so that wont be a problem. Even Kirill Sarychev does not have a chest big enough to make the bar rest on his pecs before arms reach 90° , and that dude is a giant who benched 700 I think?
As everyone has said, 90 degree elbow rule would work better as a completely flat back is impossible. I'm totally here for the change and trying to get rid of extreme arching, but I'm not for going against physiology and human mechanics.
Not sure if that’s possible.
They have to judge heels down, butt down, head down, downward movement, and commands. The side judges wouldnt be able to see it so it would be up to the head judge to check depth so the pause time will likely increase. Not a great solution imo
@@2caiden4u It is 2022. Use a camera. Using a camera is better either way. Gets rid of bad calls.
@@coen071993 well keep in mind this is a sport where the use of safety pins for bench was generalized only recently in competitions...
I agree, below parallel/parallel elbow is the obvious solution for anyone with minimum lifting experience, but the guys setting up the rules saw nothing wrong with extreme arching until now, so asking for the logical solution from them is overestimating their capabilities
@@ExecutionSommaire Ah well, doesn't matter. They'll just have to take a few steps towards the future in rapid succession rather than having 10 years inbetween.
This should have been a rule at least 15 years ago. In the late 90's I remember hearing about a guy at my local gym who could bench 140kg weighing just 60kg. I thought it was amazing until I actually saw him do it by arching his back at least 45 degrees and lifting the weight just 2 inches above his chest, lol.
People also don't seem to realise that from an arched angle where you're pushing the weight below the torso as if you're "dipping", you can push more weight with your arms and chest than with any other position. Similar to being able to push more weight in decline (at least 20kg more) than doing flat bench in addition to having a shorter ROM.
Huh, so doing everything to shorten ROM makes the lift easier. Kinda like sumo, so make them 2 separate lifts/records at the same time they make arching illegal. That's all have a good night.
@@ArtGuides No, nothing like Sumo, people who set records in conventional deadlifts can not do the same amount or more with a Sumo stance. Literally everyone benches more with an arched back, just like being able to naturally bench more weight on a decline bench.
@@ArtGuides no there not the same😂
@@ArtGuides I'd happily see sumo banned also
@@Wisey_83 I wouldn’t like to see it banned but i would like it separating like squatting with raps and sleeves
They already did this years ago before the raw craze. The way they stopped the super short ROM was requiring people touch no lower than the bottom of their sternum. So even if your arch was huge, you were still limited by not being able to touch at the highest point.
This was presented as a way to stop "belly benching" in bench shirts. But it achieves the same goal.
The kyriakos bench
that’s smart but it can be uncomfortable for a lot of ppl
Actually the bottom of the sternum is the most comfortable position to touch if you're tensioning lats and upper back with at least a medium grip width. It's known as the zyphoid process
@@matteo546 because their form is trash and intense arching is stinky trash. Either get strong or piss off
Maybe the IPF can make all sorts of rules to limit all types of physical advantages in order to pander to millennial insecurities. Let’s make long armed people stand on a box to deadlift, Short armed people use a cambered bar for bench press, big hands? It’s the fat bar deadlift for you cheater. Strong hips? You can only high bar squat. The rules are fine, let people lift the way that makes the most of their physical abilities. Usually, there is an offsetting price for extreme advantages. A super limber back is probably a disadvantage in the deadlift and squat. Long arms help the deadlift but hurt the bench, and vice Versa for short arms. People should focus on finding what works best for them in order to maximize their competitiveness, instead of trying to limit other advantages people might have. This is just way too much drama to invest in a hobby, let people lift according to their abilities within the traditional rules that are fairly common.
A completely flat back seems too limiting and doesn't make sense, but on the other hand how can you possibly judge a limited arch reliably?
Judges discretion on calling out bullshit should be allowed with peer review feature for confirmation that no bullshit arching has been made. Just use common sense thats it. Or just change all bench presses into freaking larsen presses XD easiest fix ever
I remember candito having a good solution in this from I think a year back
Yeah, I honestly can't adjust to an optimal stability point without a slight arch (maybe 1 inch off the bench). But I'm pretty tall and got decently long arms too.
Johnny Candito has a pretty good video about an idea to change bench press rules
Unless u got a better Idea this is the best solution.
About time. As I saw someone in your comments say recently, "bench should be a test of strength, not test of mobility." I wonder how the athlete feels knowing that he was the straw that, ironically, broke this camel's back.
Yep I hope he's proud lol
@@Section8dc I mean, I don't blame the guy. He was following the federation's rules and there's money and sponsorships on the line for these athletes. If we're going to blame anyone, blame the federation that let this kind of form pass as an acceptable bench
@@Connorthecatsdad I blame both parties, not every PL abuses the rules like that.
@@Connorthecatsdad yah I agree with the other guy, its within the rules but it still has to leave a bad taste in your mouth "winning the record" like that
@@merrymelodiesfan2294 fair. Never seen Haack with an arch like that
If elbows aren't 90 degrees, it's not a bench. And that's very generous.
I like this, they're free to choose the technique as long as they hit depth
My elbows at 90 degrees are quite far away from touching my chest though, it's like halfway there. Usually I need my elbow to go 2 inches below my shoulder to reach my chest.
I can imagine a dumbass finding a way to make the elbow partially flexed to reduce ROM in the competition but would be a good rule to put in
@@gersongaete1574 true, but is there a better, simple rule ? Plus, if someone is really short and beefy 90 degrees is probably about right
@@Martin-ub9ci flat back and bar touching the chest seems straight forward enough. Many bodybuilders work out with their back flat against the table and they don't get injured.
I’m not super fond of people who severely take advantage of the current rule set. Having said that I do think a certain degree of arch is necessary for performing the bench press safely; especially within the scope of maximum effort. Granted he is the president of IPF so his definition of “flat backed” might be skewed, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
I think maybe a good standard could be that the elbow has to be parallel at 90°, like the squats
Yeah a little bit of arch is created when you position yourself correctly with the scaps etc. Which of course would be fine.
This exorcist type benching is fucked though. I only bench 330lbs on a good day...weighing 225...I refuse to believe a 100lb guy or girl "benching" the same weight with nil ROM is of equal strength. It's just dumb...
A “completely flat back” is literally impossible.
It's possible but compromising. I'd say for most everyone their bench numbers would go down drastically for sure.
Completely flat back?? Sounds like a good way to ruin your shoulders.
Naaah only beta males think that...
Yeah, a reasonable arch makes the lift anatomically safer
There's a difference between a slight arch to allow you to push your shoulder blades together and unracking with your chest 2 inches from the bar.
Back arch allowed, but discretion of judges and jury to give a red light if it's obviously bullshit like the lift at the start of the video.
@@Newgrist Ok explain how it does that using anatomy or wait you can't cause you are full of shit. xD
Completely flat back is a little excessive and would cause some issues but I definitely would be all for changing it to elbows below shoulder or some other alternative, similar to how the squat is judged. Also, the arch isn't entirely the issue, it's range of motion overall, a 100lb girl should not be allowed the same grip width as a 300lb guy. Different techniques like sumo or arching do create some variety but we really need some more consistency to be taken seriously. Sumo and arching are quite major to the sport and should be regulated a bit better but the choice between something like high bar or low bar in the squat is more like the squat jerk vs split jerk and should be allowed either way in my opinion. Really just depends on how you define a major factor. If everything in the IPF is completely standardized powerlifting might have a prayer of getting into the Olympics, but it's still pretty unlikely considering weightlifting is already on the chopping block.
Agree completely with the elbows below shoulder. 👏
@@arthurbentley06 a friend of mine has a big rib cage/chest and short arms, he only does close grip larsen press when he benches and his elbow is higher than his shoulders, those rules would not work then
@@Warsheeper maybe a 90° elbow then. Would that work for him?
@@Warsheeper Doing a Larsen press in competition would be illegal anyway.
@@arthurbentley06 the larsen press just means for this example that he is basically lying flat with no leg tension or leg drive, but no, 90° would also not work, the arms are so short in relation to his body that when he does chinups his elbow is barely level with his shoulders
this is a HUGE step into a more fair and competitive lense when it comes to power lifting. Very excited to see what they will do.
As everyone has mentioned, flat back would not work (shoulder injuries would go through the roof), so just making sure arms hit 90 degrees BEFORE or at the same time as touching the chest would be a good.
Exactly flat back is not a good idea but mandatory ROM would be good
Flat back bench isn’t dangerous as long as you are retracting. 3 plates was moving for me today with a relatively flat back.
@@SupERsNipAa327 maybe not dangerous, but some arch allows for better depth control (and indeed control full stop) which can save reliance on shoulders during the press, which is where many injuries occur (labrum and rotator cuff).
yea but between using a natural arc, just to save the shoulder, and play the exorcist, there is a Huuuuuuuuuge difference
@@SupERsNipAa327 Most people don't have sturdy enough shoulder joints and get shoulder impingements and probelms beacuse of the added stress on the rotator cuff. It isn't inherently dangerous, but it is a less safe than a slight-moderate arch, in general for most people.
It's crazy it was allowed in the first place
absolutely farcical, the guy is supposed benching 220kg and probably can't even squat that
Change the damn rule, that type of form is preposterous. I’m sure most people agree that it is laughable when viewing a micro ROM bench. Not taking away the fact that it is impressive to some degree depending on the athlete and weight pressed, but me personally I can never take these types of bench presses seriously because of how ridiculous it looks!
The only impressive part about that lift was the lifter's spinal flexibility
When you can lift 300 kg off the floor, but only 10cm rom, it´s still impressive imo.
@Formortiis Warhawk I think he’s kidding. No way he’s serious lol
Banning arching all together seems excessive, and I don't really see any good way to only ban excessive arching. I think it would be better to require the upper arms to break parallel during the lift, and let the lifter select a grip width and a degree of arching that allows them to do so. Then every bench press attempt will at the very least have a ROM similar to or greater than a floor press.
I think there might be a problem with 100kg+ division if using this rule cuz people are thicker and sometime they physically cannot go below parallel.
This is a commonly proposed rule, but people are going to flare their elbows out at the touch position to achieve this. this will result in a loss of tightness, more injuries, and continued gaming of the system. I'm in favor of an "elbow below the bench" rule, as very few people are thicker than their forearms are long.
I agree there’s no way to just limit it. And an outright ban won’t work either because some people no matter how hard they tried could never get a fully flat back so you’re gonna red light all these lifters? The excessive arch sucks but I don’t know what the answer is
@@craigsbenedict if your elbows are below the bench then your upper arms are already below parallel. It sounds like we're using different terminology to describe the same thing.
Side judges have a hard enough time trying to watch if the head, butt, or feet come up at any point in the lift, to ask them to also gauge whether the upper arms break parallel sounds great on paper, in practice its virtually impossible.
there should be limit on arch tho
but a completely flat back is too much
How about this:
120+ and 120 can still have their index finger on the ring
105 and 93 can only have their long finger on the ring
83 and 74 can only have their ring finger on the ring
66 and 59 can only have their pinky on the ring
No need to fuck our shoulders up this way
yo, this would be much better than fuck our shoulders up.
That would give some extra ROM. I find it hard to enforce if it's not either the index or pinkie though, since the neighboring fingers block the view. We could have some kind of coloring for each ring, limit Ideally, a bright color gradient for each weight class on a portion of the bar that must not be seen under your index finger
This would mainly impact the lighter weight classes. The heavyweights have little to no real arch most is the time. I like the 90° elbow angle many have mentioned.
heavier lifters generally have a bigger ribcage and chest so the bar ROM is lower by default too
@@fugar123 The bar moves pretty far for Julius.
Something needs to be done about it.
Bring power lifting back to powerlifting 💯
Finally, can't wait for this to come into play (as a competitor) - now we can see how strong people really are with the bench, the numbers will be coming way down.
Don't limit arching. Limit arm bend. This is what needs to happen.
Exactly. 90 deg arm bend minimum would be good standardization
Exactly! Just how there is depth rules for squat.
And you do this by limiting the grip width
@@bobbobson4030 Set grip width relative to arm span and you should be goud
@@ariat3381 that was also my thought it would be a fair solution and also takes into account different arm lengths
Finally. About time! Definitely agree with the 90° elbow rule at the bottom or at least close to 90ﾟsince everyone's leverages aren't the same. Powerlifting is about strength not mobility.
Honestly, I like it quite a bit! If they brought the grip width in from index fingers as max width to middle fingers as well, I would be for that as well. Let's level the playing field!
Even further for the lighter weights
@@Runner-Boy Rules shouldn't change across weight classes...
@@user-oq9zd5rx3e they should why should a lightweight have the same max grip as a heavy
@@Runner-Boy because they're participating in the same sport... what kind of question even is that...
@@user-oq9zd5rx3e the taller guys have to squat further yet it’s the same sport. It should vary based on the athletes frame just like any other lift.
Powerlifting decides who's stronger, not who is weaker with more flexibility.
Totally agree +1 !!
Some of these guys might have to actually engage and build their chest then lol
This news got me so excited! 👍I look forward to see some actual bench press.
Completely eliminating any back arch would be going a little too far but seriously limiting it would be great. If we could get all the major powerlifting organizations to come together and standardize the rules it would be a very good thing. There is not a ton of rule variation currently but it would still go a long way in making records truly world records instead of just organization records.
Bout time! 💪
A few ideas to correct this "arch-idemic."
1. 90° rule, which requires the arms to go to/below a 90° angle for it to count. This would severely limit the capacity to arch because there needs to be more room for range of motion.
2. Nipple line rule, which would require the bar to touch along (or just under) the nipple line. This, like the last, would require more ROM to be performed.
3. Grip placement restriction, which would bar competitors from benching with those ridiculously wide grips.
4. Maximum arch, or a limit of distance between hips and shoulders. Obviously, that level of arching brings the hips up closer to the shoulders. If there were a limit on this distance then there wouldn't be any possibility to arch like that.
Now, I'm not a strict "flat-back" supporter. The human anatomy is more biomechanically suited for, as I like to say, a gentle arch. That's an arch of maybe 10°. Not much! The reason for this is that it forces you to recruit more pectoral activation, which is the goal of bench. The pecs are made up of roughly two regions (some may argue three), the upper and lower pectoralis. To fully recruit both regions, you need to put your torso in a slight decline angle to activate lower pec muscles. What these "powerlifters" are doing is not that.
About time. Although "flat back" is very subjective. Many people have large glutes and upper back development which precludes a truly flat back unless the feet are up on the bench. It will be interesting to see how they approach this issue and what compromises are made. Right now, any limitation on crazy arching is a good thing IMO.
Flat back I don't see happening. Eliminating those three inch ROM benchers would be a great thing.
Now ban sumo, and the sport is fixed overnight.
No exorcist bench presses and no crab deadlifts. Bench and deadlift properly.
Why? Some people choose sumo because conventional feels weird and vice versa. Maybe classify them as different records, but I don’t think they should ban it
I’m for limiting it. You need some arch for shoulder health and optimal leg drive, but I guess it depends on what they mean by flat back. You can have some thoracic extension and have a flat/mostly flat back I guess
I hope and pray they do! Man your are going to see bench press records completely change!
finally, some athletes really abused of this! i hope they are going to make some clear rules on this!
Why not change the bench to a larssen press? It would prevent exorcist arching because of the lack of leg drive.
Banning arching as a whole is a bad idea. Nearly everyone has a small natural arch and that small arch also decreases the stress on the shoulders.
Sean Noriega has a huge arch on his larsen press. I think the super flexible lifters who have the crazy arches now would still have a crazy arch if they had to larsen press.
It would make bench press the only half-body lift in powerlifting, which would be kind sad. But this isn't an unreasonable idea, and is better than completely flat back bench.
Honestly, if I had the power I'd switch it for OHP.
Bench = gym bro lift, useless irl
OHP = epic, the hunter-gatherer urge to lift heavy stones overhead and throw it towards our next mamooth meal
@@roblane-50yearoldpowerlift18 It is technically possible but it would at least be decreased somewhat.
@@brianfox340 Agree. Though it would still be a very technical movement.
I think it’s as simple as requiring a 90° bend in the elbow at the rest position when benching. Then you don’t have to actually argue about arch.
How do you enforce??
I like the idea Coach Greg referenced, height-based grip width.
good then we can see people use actual strength instead of acting like a contortionist at the circus and people going "durrr its allowed so its ok!"
Imo the best approach would be the grip width limitation per weight class. It is not ideal, but can be judged objectively and creates a lower bound for ROM which wouldn't allow to skip the hardest part of the movement entirely. The 90 degree elbow rule (or arms parallel to the floor) proposed by some would just create ambiguous calls and uneven judging standards across federations just like in the squat
I agree. Few people want to consider if something in possible to judge, but that's actually really important. Grip width based on weight class, or possibly height or arm length (athletes have to weigh in already, and other measurements can be made at that time) would be straightforward and consistent up judge.
I find it hard to enforce if it's not either the index or pinkie though, since the neighboring fingers block the view. We could have some kind of coloring for each ring limit. Ideally, a bright color gradient for each weight class on a portion of the bar that must not be seen under your index finger
No.
About time something was done about this!
About damn time!
Great! But, yes, standardization is important. Overhead press was eliminated long ago because it was so hard to judge, but in my opinion, extreme arches in bench pressing has gotten a lot worse than overhead pressing ever did.
I’d like to see more of a floor press style bench where your triceps have to touch the bottom
floor presses are fun, but they can also limit depth.
1. Grip width limits for each weight class
2. Elbow joint below shoulder joint. Even huge guys like Julius Maddox can get there, so there's no excuse
3. Same as before, all the way to the chest and pause till press command
This wouldn’t eliminate arching. At all.
there should be limit on grip width as well
You can't stop "some" arching. Limiting makes more sense but how would it be defined or even measured in those few seconds. 90 Deg at the elbows makes more sense. Even the biggest lifters hit 90 deg.
Yea and 90 is lenient at that
Sweet. Next - ban sumo 👀
Thaaaaannnnk YOU i hope this gets approved!!!!
I think a grip width standardization based on wing span or something would be a better fix.
Finally can you even imagine how frustrating it must have felt for the opponents being beaten by a dude using this bench rom???? This cannot be any shorter...
As for the people who claim that benching without an arch is dangerous, and the IPF should only ban wide grip: NO.
That's evidently false.
Evidence: go check any paralympic benching event. Zero leg drive, zero arch, and they still put up monstrous numbers.
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Even Julius Maddox benches with minimal arch and is the GOAT bencher.
Powerlifting has always been a fringe joke of a sport because it's the only sport that I can think of that actively tries to bullshit itself. Stop with the wide stance squat; stop with the sumo nonsense, and stop with these McDonald's arch benchpresses. The sport is just outright ugly with people like Sean Noriega and his ilk.
but this isn't the paralympics, and you say it as if julius maddox chooses not to arch his back as much, he arches as much as he can given the size of him. and if sumo was as much of a cheat code like you make it out to be surely everybody would be doing it, to maximise their potential?
Coming for sumo next
nah they already got a statement that they would never ban sumo, because IPF uses stiff bar and the sumo rom is not much lower than conventional on stiff bars. The 1% rom sumos you see only is on kabuki noodle bars.
What happened to the idea of changing the max grip width based on weight classes? I believe it was Johnny candito and sean Noriega that made a vid about it. It's super easy to judge and enforce since the bars have those rings on them already, maybe add another one or something
Good, sumo needs to be next
Exactly
Summo is completely cheating lol
IMO completely banning arching is a bad move. That’s like forcing everyone to squat ATG and giving red lights if the hamstrings don’t touch the calves. There needs to be a healthy middle ground. I’m still in favor of elbow depth but idk some people seem to not like that idea.
A simple idea i had was similar to the squat, the elbows must atleast become parallel with the shoulders, wouldn't that rule work?
id prefer a ROM limit, like on squat, like the elbows have to be level or below the bench when the bar touches the chest, I think this would be the best rule. but at this point, any change in the rule is good enough for me, even if that means a flat bench, which I think is the single worst option after doing nothing at all.
They should bring the grip width in per weight class that would help a lot. Instead of index on the rings across the board. The extreme arches are only a problem in lower weight classes.
What happens to a light person who just happens to have long arms? Obliged to do a close grip bench?
I feel like Id hurt myself if I tried to bench without any arch at all :/
@pablo2004 shoulders
yeah me too , I would rather not compete than get hurt.
Then thats cause you are weak and been cheating all the time...
@@jonashuovila9287 HAHAHAHA 😂
Yeah, i feel like they should restrict ass being of the bench, not back arch
A well overdue change. About time!
The arching and grip width looks a little ridiculous, but a lifter needs the ability to retract the shoulders for joint safety. Perhaps, as stated elsewhere in the comments, there are other ways of addressing this issue. Grip width relative to height/limb length, foot placement, arm/elbow angle, etc.
Some arch is needed for shoulder health. But also a lot of their arches are too much. Just make it so the humerus needs to be at least parallel to the ground. Just how we have a depth rule for squats. The arch won't look funny if there is range of motion.
99% of the powerlifters are using a arch for a safe and effective way to bench. they have to find a way for just bann the over-arch, to bann the arch complete is not the right step!
true! i would never bench without arch, i don't want to hurt my shoulders, i rather stop competing.
99% of powerlifters are bet males then who don't have the strength to bench then...
You don't really need much of an arch to get your scapula's and back in a decent position. For safety it's definitely not needed to be set up way up on the traps.
Would love to see it 👍🏻
It should be a Larsen press tbh. The lack of legs being involved would mean it be significantly harder to do those BS ROM presses. You can still have an arch, but to the limit of what you can with a Larsen press..
The Larsen press is a much more pure strength exercise of the upper body than a normal bench press too.
you should see mehdi's larsen press...
If you're going to force short armed lifters to close grip, you also must force long arm lifters to snatch grip deadlift; otherwise you are just nerfing one bodytype for the crime of being built to bench
Is there a proposal for limiting grip width? Additionally, forcing close grip would hurt longs armed lifters more, not short armed ones.
A complete flat back and I‘m out of powerlifting 😂 IPF is a joke… Just limit the grip width separately for each weight class and a lot of problems are solved.
ABOUT TIME
Does anyone know what created the existing grip width standard ?
That precedent could play important into this new rule change?
I'm so sick of these arched bench presses lol
why do you care so much?
@@dbthra8113 It takes away from the sport of powerlifting. It takes away from people who actually lift properly with these exercises.
Upper arm should be at least parallel to the floor just as thighs have to be just below parallel to count for depth
The 90° arm bend would suffice in my opinion, the arch ban is tad much besides in some benchers the arch Is aesthetically pleasing plus it protects the shoulders
Bench should require parallel humerus just like how squat requires a parallel femur.
I’m down with it. 100 percent. Because I’m tired of the one inch bar path getting 3 white lights. It’s not a showcase of strength, it’s bullshit. People on this channel have defended it too… which blows my mind.
I would like to see a 90 degree rule like a few people commented below. As long as your elbows are at 90 degrees when the bar touches your chest, good lift.
I dont get why we can have joint-specific checks for DL (locked out) and SQ (hipcrease
About time they did something about this
I really hope that the change happens!
What about using the floor press as a competition lift? Legs straight. See what the upper body can really press.
just put an arch inch limit. like you can only have ur back arched 2-3 inches off the bench. that way technique doesn't change too much and it helps get rid of the extreme arches.
Arching should have a max. It obviously helps to an egregious amount as the arch increases.
I imagine after getting used to it some people could add a good 50-60lbs immediately to their bench with some of the arches I've seen.
A full roughly 15- 20in range of motion is not comparable as a lift to a heavily arched 2-3in RoM
Or they should replace it with a floor press kinda version where elbows must touch Ground or come to bench height
What about changing grip width.
I’ve wanted to for so long, the people who abuse the arch only have themselves to blame, over arching so there’s like a 2 inch ROM is ridiculous, it’s not even a strength sport at that point it’s who’s more flexible lol.
Let's go 👉😎👈
All previous records set with a big arch should be discounted too
I got no problem with the small of your back being off the bench. What about using hip drive? And now I'm curious to see how much the numbers go down.
So are they going to reconsider all the records out there that were made with arched back
Like others mentioned it as well, the best solution is to limit the grip width based on weight class, imho
Jonnie Candito made a great video about this topic
Doesn’t work. Your max grip width should be based off your own anthropometry
most sense would have the rule that a contestants hand must tightly fit in beetwen his back and the bech. Although that would propably bring some problems with measuring, as it is not the most accurate way.
Little bit of arch is good right
About time!
anything between no arch and like 5 cm between you and the bench should be allowed imo. Some people's shoulders just don't suit a completely flat bench, a small arch doesn't really add strength as much as it's just a form preference
I think that even capping the arch hight at about 5 inches would be acceptable. Or just leave it to the judges to determine if the arch a lifter has is “fair”
This is huge news, very happy with it, the details of the rule are a bit questionable so far, but as long as they are thinking about this issue.
Good, we only have to fairly regulate the deadlifts now.
i hope next would be sumo deadlift
what next? deadlift ROM standard?
I think there needs to be a way to allow for limited arch for health reasons. It is safer and for us older lifters, it might prevent us from competing. I have to have an arch for my shoulders and I don't think a normal, reasonable arch is bad, especially when contrasted with the potential negatives. That being said.... some of these 2" ROM lifts are a bit silly. These guys have to know that whatever it is they are doing isn't a bench press.