Now The Blue Bowl ROCKS!! Silicone Miller Table on the Rocks
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- The new silicone mat for the concetrator bowl works fantastic at recovering the super fine gold. The new mat is a big improvement with a skim coat of raw silicone on top of the mat and only 1/8th inch thick.
The silicone miller table goes on the back burner for now it just doesn't hold the gold like the blue bowl does.
The molds are available here jrprinting.big...
My email. moldsandmats@gmail.com
I have the blue bowl. I like to dry my cons, classify everything into seperate sizes down to -50, pull all the magnetics out of each keeping the magnetics in seperate sizes then wet everything back up, run everything separately on it's own in the blue bowl with jet dry and I feel like I get all the gold out easily.
I do like that blue bowl silicone mat though!! 😁🤘
Now I don’t have to try it!!!! Thanks for taking one for the team!!!!! ✅🍻✌️
Any time! That was a bummer.
Good job Alan ! I haven't been a very big fan of the Miller Table. Much prefer the Blue Bowl ! Thanks for sharing !
Yep I had to give it a try I will be sticking with the blue bowl. Thanks Allan
You've turned a vision into reality👏...Great dedication 🤝
Thank you so much 😀
Use Roofing Membrane rubber for the table. It is made to be wettable with water. Also use Jet Dry.
I think it is known as EDPM Elastomer or something similar. Use regular Silicone Seal to glue it.
When you brush the gold up it may be building a static charge that’s separating the water from the mat.
Very true that might just be whats happening.
It got you working for that gold this time.THANKS FOR SHARING
You bet Thanks David
Nice catch !Gold is the color of the day. TANK
That was fun thanks.
Awesome. So going to try this. I have a bucket of processed black sand that I want to be sure I got all the gold out of.
ALAN, dont give up just yet,, to me from what i can see is your miller table is to short in length, but hey what do i know,, as for your blue bowl i have never used one and only seen them in videos,,, i think your idea on the miller table is on the right track,, keep up the impressive work
I will have to give it another try, Maybe this winter when I have more time.
@@alanrobertson2510 how did you get some of the material that i ran way out where you are,,, i,m here in the UPPER PENINSULA of MICHIGAN, i found a layer of that kind of sand on a creek, didnt find but a .5g of tiny gold in the couple of hours that i was there on the creek
I am a blue bowl fan, but just got a miller table to try it out.
Playing with the blue bowl is fun but I do prefer the the miller table.
Alan love all your videos about how the blue bowl works and the possibilities of this BLUE BOWL 🥣
Thank you
Very interesting!
Mats made with silicone is wonderful
They sure are. Thanks
That new silicon mat worked like a dream according to what I could see, but it’s too far away for me me to see for sure how much of what is left in the pan is gold, or if a lot of it is white beach sand. I’d love to see close up footage with a magnifying lens.
Hi,tireless worker,seeing all your vids ,but no comments,glad yo see you well and working,
silicones hidrophobic,but it catches good,what about painting with matte paint in transverse
direction,ive done it on a homemade batea,painting around on it,and really changed.
Happy see you working ,take care and enjoy,thanks for share.
Hello there. I will stick with the silicone without the paint. Take care and stay cool.
Good recover i tell everyone about you and your silicone mats sir.
looking good fam. keep up the work. GOLD SQUAD OUT!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Awesome Alan great job hope your having heavy PANS brother.
Thanks Jeff
Alan, your miller table mat idea is very good. The problems you experience with water flow is because original miller table surface is not made from silicone. You got very good setup here, just need to narrow the width of your miller table down to 2-3 inch. It will look like a mini sluice without riffles, yes, but it will be easier to control water flow.
Thank for the tips I will be giving that a try.
Very nice work again my friend.
Thanks again!
Love mine
Hi Alan. I had the same problem when I tried to make a silicone Miller Table. I tried painting the Silicone on the deck of one and on another I made a solid top out of Silicone. I did a video but before I put it up, I decided to see if you had the same problem I did. Looks like you did. I really do like your design and it certainly is easy to get to work, but not out of Silicone unfortunately. If it's ok with you, I'll make one with your design that works very well. That makes a right nice little mini Miller Table. Looks like the blue bowl part works very well.
Yep same problem glad to see it's not just me. Yes I would love to see what you come up with for a miller table. Maybe a silicone mat at the bottom might work well. Good luck on the project.
Alan Robertson
I put one together and it was looking pretty good except it was rather long. So I'm making another one that has better proportions and it is looking a lot better. Just trying to decide on how to do the water. Yep, it has a 2" Silicone mat at the end that can be taken out and emptied or changed for another mat.
I'm trying to design it to be really easy to build like your other equipment.
Sounds like the Miller table needs strips of Silicone going across rather than the whole surface, somewhat like riffles. I use pergo flooring, the smooth bottom side, already painted, very smooth and flat. Makes for a long narrow Miller table. I feed my blue bowl into it. Sides a made using molding from Home Depot also.
Arne
I have been building these for the past 11 years and have tried just about everything you can think of for the table surface. You need a material that the gold will stick to and the blacksand won't. Unfortunately both stick to the Silicone as they are both metal. The best thing for a Miller Table surface I have found so far is Rustoleum Chalkboard paint. The gold will stick to it but all the other materials won't. Great stuff. I use it on my sluice slick plates as well as you can see if there is gold in the dirt and it slows the fine gold down so it will get caught in the top Riffle of my mat.
Great job
Thank you.
i think your table may need a bit more length also a thought would be to add a vibrator to it like the type from an old mobile phone. might help with separating the gold on a even lower angles with a light water flow.
great project, amazing
Glad you like it! Thanks
Very interesting ! Thanks !!!
Glad you liked it!
thank,you for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I now see why in the other video you mentioned that you we’re giving up on the Miller table. Your blue bowl works so well, there isn’t much point in trying anything else. The gold swirling is really cool to watch too.
I had to give the miller table a try and glad I did. Sticking with the blue bowl for now or until I come up with a better idea. Thanks Chris.
Instead of a wide “table” have you considered a 3” wide and 2-3 foot long clean up sluice
@@chrislilly1463 I have thought of that. I have a brand new clean up sluice 4 inches wide and four feet long with a built in header box. I hope to do a video on it soon.
I tried spray clear roof sealer. Seems to be a lot beter than nothing would like to compare yours to see which is beter
if painting the matt with silicone helps, have you tried just painting the bottom of the bowl with silicone? thanks for sharing you research.
I think it would be hard to get the silicone even if a person tried to paint on a thin layer of silicone. Just my thoughts.
This innovation with the silicon mat on the floor of the blue bowl is terrific. This should sell like hat cakes to any blue bowl user. But it creates another small problem because the gold sticks to the silicon making it difficult to snuffer up. I was thinking that maybe you could develop a new type of snuffer - one that uses a small motor to suck up the gold rather than than squeezing that snuffer bottle continuously for fifteen minutes.
On another vein I was thinking that there is no reason to snuffer up all the gold (completely clean it), just get that you can easily get on your first pass. The rest you can leave in there. It’s not going anywhere, so no reason to slave at it or ever remove the mat.
Well done jakes SA
Thanks
This is the big problem I have been having with my Miller Table. Either the super fine gold flows down or the water separates on me. The Blue Bowl is not much better with the flat flakes we have. I have seen them wash right down the middle on me. Either that or nothing washes out.
You used the soap?
@@RRRRR5202 I always use dish soap or jet dry.
Jet dry?
@@RRRRR5202 Sold for dish washers. Breaks up surface tension in water.
Thank you
Hello Alan, that was impressive, but did you check the waste material to see if any gold went over the top
Yes a few pieces got over the top but the mats did it's job. Thanks for watching.
Blue bowls out of the box have no issue catching superfine gold, provided you preclassify your material. Stock blue bowls arent meant for material bigger than 30 mesh. The more you classify it the better your capture rate on fines will be. Personally I do 30-50, 50-100 and then 100 minus, with slower water flow for the 50- and much slower for the 100-
I make my living as a solo alluvial gold miner so process a lot of cons. Every few months i clear out the bucket under the blue bowl and re classify and re run it all super slow and careful and i typically get a number of specks in the single digits. Blue bowls run correctly are very effective.
Lately ive moved onto a spiral wheel, with the high grade feeding down a bit of pvc pipe into a small 30 mesh sieve sitting over the blue bowl. This gives me 99% recovery rate, the 1% will be collected next time theres a rainy day and i dont want to head out
Sound like you got your process down to a fine art. I hope you have a great season. Thanks for watching.
@@alanrobertson2510 thanks mate, always tweaking and playing around. I love what youre doing for the hobby, demonstrating to people they dont need the most expensive fancy marketed mat to catch all the gold. Hope to catch up with you somd day if the skies ever open again internationally
Maybe a thin layer of flex seal liquid rubber painted on the silicone . or hold a can of spray paint about 2 feet over the matting and spray from the discharge side twords the resevoir side, to give a speckel-wear look and the texture should help hold the gold.and from that side so it gains a little more depth and slows the water down on the far end.
Good ides but the silicone is what makes the mat work so well.
Nice video i enjoyed the science neat idea. ⛏
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great!!!
Thank you.
I would maybe try something like 1000 grit wet sandpaper glued to a tray for a Miller. I do think they sell a purple one that may help you see color.
Might be worth a try. Thanks for watching.
I just Subbed, great work there my friend, I will watch your other vids. I love to gold pan as a hobby and metal detect. 👍👍👍👍👍💰
Thanks for the sub! I hope you enjoy the channel. Have a great summer.
Interesting issues with the table. I have had trouble maintaining constant flow in my bowl as material washes out there is less resistance making the water flow vary. Can you post a link for the regulator so I can check it out? Also, can you use your water table brush to sweep the fine gold into a pile in the bowl? Thanks for posting.
Stay Well!
Sure the bilge pump controller is at Washingtonbeach mining.com. You can use a brush in the bowl.
Add some rocks in pan to cut water flow
** let the miller cascade into a normal sluce and maybe if the Miller is stacked over the regular sluice u can make the water faster. Kinda like one on the other so the cons from the Miller fall down into the feeding area and sprayers of the other.
Good ideas Thanks for watching.
Did not get where you list the math with the nugget trap
I use a turkey baster to push that stuff around
Good idea. Thanks for watching.
When no one is looking- I use them as a sniffer bottle!
You could tip your bowl up on a support and wash down your heavies down to one crescent point,then sucker it up.
Good tip thank you.
I don't use a Miller table for the reasons you stated in your video. I do better with a long sluice and silicon mats. I use the blue bowl for small batches of cons. Is your blue bowl dumping into your clean up sluice? There is a lot of color on the mat.😎👍👍👌👌⛏⛏
I agree with you now the blue bowl works so much better than the miller table. Yes the bowl is dumping onto the clean up sluice.
Use a small paint brush to move the gold around
That does work well. I have just been pulling the mat.
I'm sure it's already been suggested somewhere here but to me it looks a little short, with more length youll trap alot more gold
How does it compare to the dream mat for the Blue Bowl?
I have no idea and will leave it at that. Thanks for watching Gary.
Woww, it's imposable.🧠👌.✅
It works fantastic.
Have the water enter the table from underneath.
Make a pool of water that rises up and over the hole edge of the table.
Rather then having the water dump unevenly from above.
Get a smooth flow of water flowing across the hole table.
The pump fills the sump and over flows onto the miller table.
Ok yes cyclone is causing the dry spots, but a nice smooth flow may help.
This is a untested idea.
I'm new to all this, so correct me if I'm wrong; wouldn't the miller table require jet dry or soap in order to break the surface tension and allow the lower water flow to work correctly? It seems to me that there is too much surface tension which can be chemically treated with soap.
Yes jet dry works great for surface tension
Try a different material, and some jet dry in the water.
What about a old record?
Only one way to find out. Give it a try.
Sounds like the table needs to slant upwards with maximum water flow.?
I tried every angle and water flow and never got it to work right.
Try adding some mercury in the deep end . It will
bond with the gold
And then, you have to remove mercury (toxic) from your gold, which just gives you another set of issues!
That right there is the reason most people don't fuck with flour gold, time is money and you waste so much time trying to separate gold from magnatite that it's not profitable...unless that's all you have to do.
It's obvious, too much time on my hands, and I strive to simplify it all- for even more time on my hands.
Work is a dirty 4 letter word;
Lazy is 4 letter and cleaner!
If you only look for the chunky stuff, you will get skunked more often than not!
Alan great experiment again !? video run up to 13-34 minute ? some think wrong !
Thanks The video is working on my end ,not sure what happened.
Putting black silicon in kind of defeats the purpose of the blue bowl you can not see when all the black sand is gone.
I dont see them available
Sorry I sold out yesterday and will have more listed some time today.
Vibration or longer silicon mat?
I think I will stick with the Blue Bowl.
How much gold did you add!
It was a few grams.
It's better but I can help you further blue bowl. Your missing a COOL opportunity
👑🔱🗻🌏🏞️🏅🎬🎞️..
Alan I can solve your ISSUE. Ditch the Miller technique. To slow.
I take it and pay the shipping if you're going to throw out
Going to keep it for now.
Put chalk paint on the silicone
The paint will not stick to 100% silicone
@@alanrobertson2510 Being a painter I have come across that around windows and doors, no matter how thick a coat I applied, it just beads up and will run or dry, either way, it looked like crap and would have to paint around the caulk line.
You are absolutely right. Paint will not stick to silicone. @@dirkfrazier9779
Ok,, at 13 minutes you’re done buddy,, I mean it’s finished, there’s absolutely no reason to run again, Retrieve what’s in the bowl, dry it, put it in a crucible, add flux , melt, and pour into a button, all done,, I don’t know about you but my time is money, I’m not about to waste time trying get every little speck of sand out,, the sand will melt also, that’s what glass is made out of
I would agree if I was going to melt it.
Much better idea guy e-mail me
You talk a lot. Blah ,blah ,blah , blah , blah , blah
No one asked for your supervision!
Would have been nice if weighed the gold for recovery quality
He did, pay attention next time!
What do you think about running that Miller on a sweet grade of petrol or mineral oil? High specific
Honestly I have no idea on how that would work. I will be sticking with the blue bowl for now. Thanks.