Destiny 2 Lore - The Speakers actually could hear The Traveller. The Messages of the Light.
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- Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us about the way in which the Traveller communicated to us. As it turns out, the Speaker was one such person who was actually able to hear the voice of the Traveller. Back in the Golden Age there were many speakers all of whom could hear the voice of the Traveller in lucid dreams that they had involuntarily. So today, ahead of Final Shape, we're going to explore the nature of these communications to understand the light a little better.
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Yea, I loved this lore book because it confirmed that the speaker was 100% lying to just mess with Ghaul
Counter: it was so much better thinking the Speaker just wanted to go out with a better one liner than Cayde
@@irishhercules9972 he already got the best one liner in earlier, he lied in the later scenes
To be fair, "I can hear the Traveler" and "The Traveler speaks to me" are two *very different* statements. The Speakers could hear the Traveler, but the Traveler didn't speak *to* them. They weren't appointed by Traveler, they didn't relay information given to explicitly them by the Traveler, the Traveler probably doesn't even know they exist. There is no two-way communication between the Traveler and the Speakers, there's just some people picking up the wails of a desperate, frightened God.
What he was essentially saying is "Even if I can hear it, it isn't talking to me. I don't know what it wants either."
@@DoragonShinzui except the traveler did explicitly speak to him in a final vision, showing him his mask reforged in gold
Correction: The traveler knows they exist. Because it spoke in speaker's voice and with the exact same lines. It was during forsaken subclass quest. But afaik nobody has had two way communication with Traveler, because it is kind of the motto right? "The best voices never let themselves be heard. This lesson is worth teaching again and again". I do hope it finally speaks in final shape though. We are literally inside it now why would that line matter then.
The Speaker was on his lowtiergod grind. Man was too much of a menace to be kept alive.
I laughed too much at that 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
no wonder he said "kys" to ghaul
Can anyone translate from gay Twitter to UA-cam comment?
ain't know way you called our high priest Lowtiergod lmao
@@Bobby3OOO 🤓
I always assumed the Speaker's admittance was just that of a religious leader. His god doesn't speak to him, but he interprets the gods actions, or inactions, and just tries to make sense of them for the people.
That's definitely how I interpreted it too. He's like the Lorax of destiny
Well said homie!
If that was the case I'd definitely be in the camp of them being loony liars
the speaker is underated as hell
The speaker is dead...
@@DavidUtau he’s dead. But his UA-cam clips live on.
I got some bad news, that aint changing
Because bungie never did anything with him
Still the speaker Is underated, the amount of times that I used to walk into his office in D1 just to listen to shaxx his mixtape is unsettling
It’d be cool if the Speakers mask was made from the shard of the Traveler
Now that the Traveller is awake again, I wonder if we'll start seeing Speakers appear again. Specifically I'd love to see Eido become one.
Bro.... Traveller is dead. The Witness vivisection killed It. It did not, however, kill the source of light and whatever entity is inside the Traveller yet
My theory is that the speaker had prismatic but never used it. So then we become the speaker
I really hope that if we do, we see Micah-10 taking a front and centre position in the coming story! She’s one of my favourite characters, and everything about her both pre and post guardianship (and being an exo, and everything else) suggests that she’s the perfect candidate to be a Speaker!
Crow is the closest thing we have to a current speaker no? Has the intense connection to the traveller but not the training Speakers went through.
Eido is a boring character. She is a foolish, know it all, child. I am surprised she didn't end up getting Mithrax killed.
I love how byf gives off the vibes of a very old and wise warlock who has traveled far and wide throughout his life and now has many stories to tell the children and guardians.
He’s way better than Toland 🤣🤣🤣
I like how on other channels Byf is fucking hilarious
@@mcleary9615 what channels?
Byf is a warlock main I believe XD
@@crazysztof TDT for exemple
"There is whispering from the deep-dark, alluring & terrifying--a reminder of things left behind, bittersweet & abhorrent". I know it left the Eliksni, but this makes me think it was talking about the Precursors, I still think its interesting that even tho the Traveler stayed with the Precursors the longest, it didn't speak to them
I wonder if perhaps the Traveller regretted not just the length of time it spent with the Precursors, but also its silence towards them
Considering the timeline, the Precursors (which I equate to The Veiled) were probably the very first civilization it had contact with. Which means that it probably didn't know yet how to go about this beyond using the power of physical creation to accelerate their development.
@@inquisitorichijou883I kinda thought the same thing. When they found it, the Traveler was just half buried, almost like it didn’t know what to do with its existence and then its purpose became helping these people that were struggling to survive.
Either that or maybe it did help people before this and it lead to its own kind of calamity. Because the Veil did show them how chaotic the light can be.
@@inquisitorichijou883 It'll be really interesting to see if the Traveler is being piloted by that Precursor that got away before the big merge, or if the Traveler has a mind of its own. With the way the Veil supposedly works, being some kind of massive blob of pure consciousness or something, I wonder if they'll make the Traveler some sort of powerhouse of matter, but with no mind of its own. Being mindless, it might have let a Precursor take it over and direct its power as soon as one of them figured out how to. It's not my favorite theory, but it follows thematically from the "Dark = mental, Light = physical" theme we've been getting since Lightfall and to some extent in Witch Queen.
Who are rhe precursors
Constellations is one of my absolute favorite lore books. Between the writing and the content and learning what the traveler feels through the speaker alongside the collapse of humanity, the birth of the ghosts and the fall of the city, its all absolutely beautiful.
In that first lore book, it mentions "nine impulses - pulling in nine directions", I presume this has never been expended on, but surely nine is far too specific to not relate to The Nine. Cause The Nine will undoubtedly have significance in the future (beyond final shape), and i think it would be very interesting if they were tied to the traveller in some kind of way. Considering the wording, perhaps they act like a guiding council. Or perhaps as reflexes, each sharpened for a purpose, and each acting in a way that best fits the situation.
It could also explain the divide in The Nine, that some want to help the guardian, the others dont - some of The Nine, some of the traveller's impulses, wanted to flee. This group used to be majority, agreeing that fleeing was best. But at some poit, the majority swapped, and The Nine decided to stay with humans, with the guardian, and its why they support the guardian as they do.
Idk, could be nothing, but i feel like mentioning nine specifically, and not being ambiguous, feels far too specific
bungie just really likes the number nine it probably means nothing
@@fonfiff7308 Bungie has more affinity with 7 though. If I were looking for a red herring number I'd personally think of 7 being that rather than 9. And from what I understand the Nine are separate beings from the Traveler and the Witness, existing between Light and Dark. It wouldn't surprise me if they were to be looking to use either or both to create physical bodies for themselves so they can interact with the world
It's definitely the Nine; remember, the Nine are the dark matter shadows of the planets (and presumably sun) of Sol; the traveler exists on that same cosmological scale, so it's quite literally feeling the pull of gravity on itself.
@@jordanmancini Nine has been important to Bungie since the Myth games, actually. There was a group of nine powerful sorcerers who had big implications in the story. They could've gone with seven but they picked nine, and they're doing it again in Destiny. It's not the overarching number for D2 the way 7 was for Halo, but it's still there haunting the lore tabs.
I think it means the nine major sources of gravity in the solar system. The Sun, and the eight planets.
Let's not forget that Rhulk attempts to extract the light from ghosts and kills a giant pile.. Until he is LITERALLY YELLED AT by the Traveler. Closest communication seen in the lore.
I think it should be noted that, in addition to Constellations, there's one final entry to the series: Crow's ship, the Radiant Accipiter, has it's lore tab written as the "last thoughts" of the Speaker, just before he dies. And in it, he mentions specifically that there WON'T be another Speaker, not in the same fashion at least. That he was the last, and that those who wanted to listen to the Traveler directly would be able to, and those who did not, wouldn't. So yeah, unfortunately, there won't be another Speaker. However, I do think that we will communicate with the Traveler directly in the Final Shape, in some fashion.
It is interesting that the Speaker's mask has been repaired through Kintsugi. In Season of the Hunt, Crow did actually mention the practice when we examine his hideout in the EDZ.
It sucks that everything got sunset. Now all this dialog and memories are only on UA-cam and lost forever
Your point about the speaker's mask being repaired and possibly empowered as a result makes me wish that instead of the exotic class items we're getting in The Final Shape, every class got the Mask of the Speaker as an exotic helmet with the same "Possesses 2 random exotic traits copied from other exotics". Imagine if we brought the mask with us into the Traveller and it turned into our first roll of the exotic when we acquired prismatic/ finally collect all the elements/ abilities and master prismatic. Plus if any object were to have a lore justification for having random rolled double exotic traits a mask that's basically a signal booster & receiver for the Traveller's communications feels like the best bet given Light's chaotic nature.
I bet it will be our Artifact for the season or year.
The Song of Life/Creation that hummed throughout the universe from the Traveler. It was discovered and studied by many civilizations.
The Hive had a singer that created the Deathsong from reversing, changing it, and began using it as a weapon.
So powerful was the Deathsong that 20 Hive landed upon a planet and began singing it. Within an hour, the planet itself was split in half.
The Witness could be planning to use the Deathsong within the Pale Heart to amplify and broadcast it throughout the universe in place of the Song of Life/Creation to wipe the slate clean.
I'd love if the song come back to the front as a major lore point.
But it's more likely that the witness plans to take over the traveller to use its terraphorming powers to reshape all the planets he took to the calcified representation we see in TFS.
I think you're essentially right. The writers seem to want to make everything the Witness has look superior to the Hive so they kind of play the role of looking like the Big Bad until the real Big Bad upstages them, but it would essentially be something like the deathsong. Or, another variant on the song of creation that changes everything to suit its opinion of how the universe should look, and then keeps it from changing. Like a song of perversion and fossilization.
Can I just point out how hard the OG D2 theme goes. The music as the backing track. For this video "Inner Light" that Brass at 3:36 in the song will FOREVER get my hair standing and as a Trombone player myself...warms my soul like the fires if Mercury!
Eyes up....Guardian!
I've been waiting for more speaker lore. You the GOAT, lore daddy
I honestly think the voice that talked to us when we were frozen in the end of beyond light, that was the traveler telling us to look within.
That was elsie bray dialogue that we remembered
What if Crow is a speaker? He's been gifted by the traveler before, and I believe he's gotten at least one vision from our big white ball: that hawk. It would make sense that a speaker like Crow would be chosen by the Traveler to enter and kickstart its rescue.
The Traveler spoke to us as well. In the red war campaign and i think 2 other times.
@@cerebralassassin2185 well if they ever need to reset for another game, The Guardian retiring to become The Speaker would be the way to go.
@@FizzieWebb agreed
1:13 really sounded like a start of a sponspred segment :D
Wished that I got to see him more, such an interesting and misterious chracacter.
Too bad his voice actor was so expensive, that's the single surest way to get killed off in this franchise 😝
@@atomic_waitCoulda easily found someone that sounds similar. They switched Ghost's voice like 3 times
I hope we get a live event where some players become Speakers. Good way to introduce a "Speaker" Title too.
the Traveller seeing Dreamers as stars reminds me of the World of Dreams in the Wheel of Time. Many people can enter the World of Dreams in passing, but some people can master the World of Dreams and those Dreamers describe it as endless space populated by stars and each star is another person's dreams that they can view, enter or affect. Inception is real in WoT and it sounds like it's real here too
The Ascendant Plane looks similar to how I imagine the Ways look, though their nature is somewhat different. Toland makes it sound like Tel'aran'rhiod, but characters like Xivu use it more like a simple fast travel dimension like the Ways.
"The speakers can hear the music." So... they're the final five cylons?
Any BSG reference, gets an auto upvote
Speaker was an absolute gangster.
let's not forget that The Guardian also has received dreams and visons from the Traveler as well.
The music from beginning to end was nostalgia and legendary at best,. Thank you for creating this video, the speaker is my favorite character at side from cayde
I still standby what I've been saying since this lorebook came out. The reason the player character is such a legendary & powerful guardian is because we're a speaker. We have a closer connection with the Light than most. We may not be the strongest but we are far stronger than most.
Don't forget the absolute GOAT Bill Nighy, voice actor of The Speaker
7:36 This hits deep
"Home", but not the home we know usually
Clicked so fast, back on my destiny grind after a few months break, it feels great!!
This is so good. Thanks for finally getting to this.
I'm a simple man. I see a new Byf video, I click.
I’m REALLY glad you’re diving into more light lore before the Final Shape! It’s very helpful and already hyping me up! My mind is swimming with postulations
The speaker telling Ghaul to off himself is still one of the coldest lines in gaming
Byf my dude!! Just wanted to thank you for diving into this beautiful, epic, tale of space magic! Destiny has helped me during my hardest times in life!! listening to all the lore and all the adventures destiny has to offer has been amazing! Thank you for your years of dedication Lore Daddy! Haha
Thank you Byf for the amazing lore videos as per usual, I’d be so lost on Destiny lore if it wasn’t for your channel
The Speakers whole thing was words, he never lied to Ghaul, he just didn't elaborate, hence why he also has one of the best roast in history.
As someone who only started playing in 2021, I hear people saying vanilla d2 wasn't that great, but man I would love to play through the red war
It was good other than the double primary system. Also the red war was actually a dang good story
Traveler "Take this power Guardian...be brave in dark places"
Guardian "more power...hell yeah!!"
Traveler 'Heh take that Witness' - Traveler proceeds to double flip off the witness
The travellerdoes a kick flip while a raid team dps' the witness
Something interesting about this: lucid dreaming feels more in the domain of Dark than Light, and the Traveller reaching out to minds it can talk to mirrors the Witness and the Hive chasing the Traveler and the moth-to-flame imagery that comes with them.
I dunno if it's really worth mentioning, but during festival of the lost this past year, Imaru said something about other ghosts making out bits and pieces of communication with the traveler (post the witness entering it,) and it's screaming.
Great lore breakdowns as always. One thing to add/note ik you've covered it previously during the season of the hunt. But Crow (Uldren) has had these same dreams of communing with the traveler during the hawkmoon mission and further backed up in the hawkmoon exotic ship. I think itd be really cool if u could tie these plot points together in a future video. Since it could most likely be very important when the final shape releases very soon
I’m 40 years old and I’ve been watching your destiny videos for over 25% of my life
Pretty incredible they you’ve been doing it for so long
Love the content as always
I think Byf just figured out our Seasonal Artifact for the launch of The Final Shape.
SPEAKER GOAT
Bill Nighy as the speaker was perfect.
imagine if the speaker's mask became an exotic to all classes
I didnt even open the game in month, but I keep up story wise with all your videos, keep it up, we all love it
Byf, you need to talk about how Destiny essentially just got it's own Venom.
Acquire the superblack shader, if that ain't a symbiote what is it.
Its a riff on the blackheart from the Garden. But head canon go off.
That knights dodge was insane
I don’t think there will ever be a new Speaker. He says as much before his death in a lore tab. That the time of Speakers is past. This could be emphasized if we gain the ability to communicate with the Gardner from outside the Traveler, and speak with her whenever. I could easily see Osiris be one that speaks with the Gardner to learn more of paracuasality.
Kintsugi binds that which was broken, together again. There's a reason our system chose that as imagery. Then they released the Precious Scars exotic (we're a titan main) and it just... yeah. The connections we keep finding with the lore and depth of this game are vast and wild.
My interpretation differs from Byf's a bit at ~11:20, I think the Traveler seeing the "bright, attentive star" is a retelling of the Dreams of Alpha Lupi. Sol itself is the star that caught the Traveler's attention, and when the Traveler speaks to it by moving, that's some kind of gravitational communication, almost like sending morse code through ocean waves but with gravity instead. I think this part refers to the sun rather than a Dreamer because the rest of the account describes the Traveler interacting with the other planets in the system, or possibly The Nine.
The speaker’s death has always been something that has really bugged me about destiny 2. He was killed off way too early.
Caydes gun shows signs of kitsugi... but with pure LIGHT instead of precious metals
You'll notice the nine impulses the traveler feels as it glides through space. I've had people try and say the Sun is one of the Nine instead of Pluto. Its so obviously Pluto.
Bringing the mask as our artifact would be interesting the more we unlock stuff for it more frequent we hear the travaler while inside the pale heart
Clovis I. Bray being the new Speaker would be hilarious 😂
I haven’t played Destiny in years. I think sometime in 2019 was the last time. But I still love watching your videos to keep up with what’s going on in the game. Maybe I’ll actually hop back on sometime soon. For old times sake…..
Now is the best time to do so. There's a lot of free new content out currently.
I was never mad at the Speaker even before Constellations came out. The Speaker never came to us and claimed the Traveler talked to him and said this or that. He just talked in general terms about Light, Dark and how we can help each other or w/e.
He never lied as far as I saw.
Good to see the Traveler is aware of the proper use of spoiler tags.
i bet there are actually multiple speakers simultaneously alive, think of this like Borderlands having 7 sirens at all times, and at some point there will be a plot point where we need to find other speakers or notes of other speaker prophecies/dreams/visions etc so we can get a grand picture of the travellers "thoughts". Like as if the traveller could only explain like a tenth of its grand scheme to people, so it splits it between speakers, and then when the parts are all together, we get revealed who the grand ultimate villian of destiny universe is. Calus was just a greedy tyrant in a ship, the witness is jealous of our potential, savathuun wants to be blind with the power of dark and light and sword logic and cunning....and the speakers when all their knowledge is put together, write the story of the true counterpart of the traveller.
Say what you want about D2 year 1. But the Ghaul cutscenes are potentially my favourite ones in all of Destiny; especially him saying, “You aren’t brave. You’ve merely forgotten the fear of death.” Then he pushes you off the cliff as the final middle finger
The speaker being a chad saying kill yourself was great 🤣
Itd be really cool if we the guardian get a chance to wear the mask as a helmet for certain things, similar to a festival of the lost mask.
I forgot the tormentors had a grab attack, that’s how long I haven’t seen them do it.
I always believed crow would the next speaker after the hawkmoon quest.
i want the speakers mask as an exotic for all classes, it would boost all of our ability uptimes and supers..
So wouldn't this mean that our guardian is, in fact, similar to a speaker? After we fall during the redwar, there is a cutscene that plays. That is very similar to these descriptions of these visions?
You know, I *really* hope we get some Speaker themed armor for the Final Shape. The main expansion armor set probably should've been it, but for the love of God Bungo. You set that up so long ago, give us our role not just as the Guardian, but as the Speaker.
given how this Speaker isn't a Prophet to the Traveler or a Mouthpiece is just more Mysterious, Make you wonder how He'll just be another new character in Final Shape. Either way I'm excited if not astonished.
Speaker: "I never said it spoke to me"
*cue trololo music*
Man, i haven't thought about this lore in a while.
OMG! In all captions cause woah!!!! I’ve recently been convinced to write my fanfic (please, no hate) about A Speaker… this is gold to me. I have it hashed out, and just uploaded a chapter of the Speaker falling to Ghaul, just a week ago. I am shaking, because I haven’t uploaded more because I’m afraid I’m overstepping some key lore that I have missed because I only started the game a year after 2 came free for PS Plus. Thank you bye! Ive always been fascinated by the idea of Speakers.❤❤
[Edit: my premise for the story was born from the “Growing” chapter in the Constellations lore book]
It would be so cool if Crow’s journey lead him to being a Speaker
Constellations has to be my new favorite lore book.
The Speaker mocked Ghaul and his species and he was right, they will end small.
21:05 Precious Scars exotic trait is also called kinsugi
imagine if after the final shape, we get a new generation of speakers. thatd be cool
Right off the bat, a pale glowing bird.
21:50 I JUST REMEMBERED WE ARE GETTING A NEW PERSON IN THE FINAL SHAPE FOR A VOICE ACTOR SO MAYBE YOUR EXACTLY SPOT ON
Speakers mask could be the Artifact for Final Shape
@9:19 "Tugged in nine directions by nine impulses..."
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love the story and the lore
Hey Byf, could you please tell Shrike that those batteries he keeps running over in Onslaught can be thrown at the ADU? and that they shouldnt just be left on the ground to despawn? thank you!
Lore portion is great though, keep up the good work!
How does this man give me hope video after video, when I feel there is none. Your amazing byf you should be a actual lore character in the game. A librarian of sorts.
Maybe the witness knows this and is jealous that we've had people that can have some kind of communication with the traveler
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t a guardians but I really hope his spirit is in the travel like caydes is
i might be wrong but during the final shape gameplay trailer at 1:08 to 1:18 could possibly be the Travelers voices (female exo voice) speaking just like how the witness did in the black garden cutscene with our own voice?
Idk if you’ve covered it before, but The Speaker says “I never said it spoke to me.” But upon completion of the mask they hear?? “I have cried out unheard for so long that my voice is raw.”
Could this be a metaphor? Or literal? And maybe a direct intelligent conversation could be had with The Traveler somehow?
I think the Traveler leaves species after awhile because it doesn’t want to make the same mistake it did with the precursors. Staying with them for so long caused them to become dependent on the Traveler for a purpose.
destiny lore as presented by byf > destiny in its entirety
All I can say is if Ghaul found the Witness or a Pyramid first he would have been a Disciple most likely
Imagine how hype it would be if The Guardian puts on the Speaker's mask and the first thing they hear is, "I am the Gardener. Long I have waited for you my Champion, my Guardian."
not having watched the video beyond the speaker cutscene, I believe the wording is key, because the Traveller *hasn't* spoken *to* anyone, it'd be more accurate to say it commands or speaks *at* the recipient, speaking to implies a reply
We know of the Speakers hearing music and Vance hearing music when a guardian dies i really want a music/sound subclass. It makes the most sense as resonance, you could argue it should be a light subclass but it seems to always be a psychic thing, and thats the realm of the darkness
Ngl Ghaul deserves the light at this point dude really was like "look i could have beat you... Please recognize me..."
Imagine if ghoul was takin inside the traveler instead of being burned up by it like we thought