I don't mean ANY offense, but I love how I have NO IDEA who you are (just saw this video in my recommended) and here we have a dude who is probably more knowledgeable about the game and mechanics than 80% of the big streamers that I watch, with a much stronger character and so on. I think it's amazing to think about how many people play this game just not streaming maybe or anything and they have this immense understanding of the game and builds and nobody will ever know. Good video mate!
I consider myself a 1% player making multiple mirrors every league and I came across a random guy that made me feel like I just started yesterday. Was looking around some discussions about some endgame farms and the guy was making his main currency farming voided valdo maps in week1 of the league. valdos are one of the rare things I have not touched yet in the game and my god that was an eye opener. He was making 1000-1700div PER DAY in week1-2 of the league doing this. This dude made more currency by day 3 than I can make in 4-8weeks of playing and I already make more currency than the majority of people No matter how good you think you are there are always people that make you look like you just started out :D Also wasnt a streamer or anything, just a random dude that minmaxed his gameplay to do voided valdos asap.
@@dirtymightmusic5239thats insane, what build was he playing? Im probably a tier below you as a player, its my first time having a mirror this league and now i have 3 i wanna try this build
@@Exileeeeeeee was last league pretty sure the build is not playable anymore. it was a DD pathfinder. The void valdo maps i see this league are more expensive than 3 mirrors so that will be a tough time :D no clue how "cheap" you can get non void valdo builds running. something i might try out a bit this league or next one
Big streamers don't know shit bro. They have a discord with knowledgeable people in there feeding them Information...... and even builds... the biggest PoE streamer hasn't made a single build of his own in years and people haven't even noticed. 👌💯
@@ashuragaming1981 I got mageblood today, but im using it for now on other character (Ice nova of frostbolts - main character); my quesiton is: whats next upgrade after mageblood? is it nimis or maybe body armour with fire res overcapped + better helmet with levels gems mods? ty
well i invested 4 mirrors in the build with ascendant in dual wield and used budget tank pob and its not tanky at all i am kinda dissapointed af like sure the dmg is crazy but i am dying to uber maven by any attack she does the only thing i can do is stand in her pools and i mean i can do deathless fight the point is it doesnt feel like tanky build at all when i did trickster with 1000 divine build i could facetank 4 ghosted feared valdo map and i still managed to get 40mil dps oh well now i know armor stacker isnt for me
Scion is my fav class... i have avoided it totally this league bc ive only been able to do giga uber exiles with her every season with minimal investment vrs other builds.
Already spend like 200div on a cheap version of built with personal changes, its good, but for this budget u can create other character much stronger. U need to spend at least 2 mirr for this character to delete everything
11:30 fyi the wisps dont really give loot anymore, with 7k wisps i got 5c of loot in exhcange of making the map 2x longer, they said they increased the currency drop rate but they did not, every time i had 0 difference in loot
Hi Bigdaddy, l am a standard league armor stacker and l have a question about the choice of amulet between Redeem influenced simplex amulet (increased 40% aura effect & all skill gem +2) and your reflected focused amulet (4+4). Which one is better?
Thank you for your reply l have not crafted your focused amulet yet. You helped me to avoid wasting currency. By the way, I’m a PS player and play armor stacker only. I think my current setup is the best version for me since scourge league. (100% PTA transcendence dual wielding OS flicker strike).
@@hugolopes10 I mean he did say you could get one going with 20-30 divines i was just wondering if there was one for like 50-300 or a little more divines lmfao
got another question im going to do scion armor stacker and in your pob you use molten strike but you use lightning penetration and lightning exposure but molten strike converts dmg to fire so i dont understand am i missing something?
i am making this build currently, at the moment im at the pre-mageblood stage, what would you suggest people do for currency until they get their mageblood and start farming t17's comfortable?
@bozy0223 ok let's say I'm not a High end player but it'd like to try armour stacker, how does one start amd transition into a 15-20d starting req in a few days 😂
@@jordanriemer7460 probably shouldn't try it, armour stackers are pretty notorious for being very expensive, and won't feel very good to play before you put a lot of currency into it
@@jordanriemer7460 if you want a high investment build play one of the trickster variants. This build will not feel good until you're in the ballpark of 3-5 mirrors invested, and at that point it is still weaker than other options such as the trickster I mentioned. It's not until you go for the fully perfect gear that this build really shines and achieves those insane billion+ dps numbers while being incredibly tanky.
That’s kinda the very base amount to swap, this build really really wants every single point possible, so getting to lvl 100 is extremely important. I think the biggest upgrades to start are lvl 100 then a mageblood for flasks
seems like mainly valdo's maps. maybe some hideout warrior-ing and/or selling crafts that he intended for armour stacker but "bricked" and serve other builds much better
It was the first ligue ArmorStacking gave me nightmare to start with. I allways started as armourstacker from 5 ligues ago, I never get any troubles (champion or jugg + doryanis prototype). At the beggining of the maps, u feel pretry slow without haste. U feel that u have way less damage than before from deter/grace nerfs. Plus, its very unconfortable to play with legion boots as jugg. U need tons of points to grab eldritch battery, and u have no ES gear except gloves and boots, wich is not easy to start with this configuration. I decided then to reroll for an other build, for the first time untill 5 ligues. I pet 3-4 mirror into my new build and armourstacking really disapointed me. Can you please make a video or a PoB for ppl who need help for the transitions of the build ? I mean, its easy to buy every piece of the gear and play it. But when you start with it, what are u looking for ? The problème for me was to use legion boots early. It broken my build. I had no probleme to start as champion or jugg before without using thoses boots. And in early ligue, restart all the top-way tree was to expensive and anying. I think i ll start without the boots next time. Or i ll stay stick to my new build… I feel really disguted about AS.
It doesn't really matter too much since atm it's dead mod but if you do hit +4 min then you get frenzy charge on bossing. Min endurance only is good for thug ghosted mobs
@@davidwang1307yes but it has a multiplier of 1.75 to 2.15 or something like that and you need to roll at least 2+ to double so the odd are very low and you also need to be lucky to get all 3 positives. Thats why its expensive.
The ideal brutal restraint has 20% stun avoidance and then you wanna use tattoos for the other 80%, and since you stack int on the rest of the gear for ES, you can afford to use ES tattoos and still wear a Twilight Regalia pretty comfortably. If you can fit fire res or %armor it's fine to add them on strength nodes, but unless you have good small clusters strength is gonna be the hardest stat to acquire overall.
Standard yes, in league no chance because no time to farm one passive voices and mb etc, but standard ssf you can do it in a year or half if you play daily 5-6 hours or more
be very hard now that hinekora locks are 80div each. 10 locks is the price of a mirror. On trade theres 2 for sale for 5 mirrors. Thats almost worth it to just buy the amulet instead of craft
when we talking about multi mirrors.. they are nooo freaking way its no rmt in it xD its just.. no way a person in 2-3 week can make solo.. this much and to craft the gear at some time
@@evildarkeevildark5943 There are people that get 30-50 mirrors week 1. Usually it's a combination of profit crafting, good investments early and a HUGE amount of knowledge. I currently have about 4-5 ish mirrors worth of stuff in the league and I'm not even close to what some people get.
10+ Mirror build - build which 99.9% players in POE will never get - thanks for demotivation.. I have only accumulated half a MB worth of currency since the start I play now armor stacker without MB with investment around 70-100 Divine and have super low dps (by feeling)
wdym demotivation, just play literally anything else and you will get 10x better build for half the currency, armor stacking is a meme below 5 mirrors, and its even after its just a money flex build unless you want to push delve, in which case you would go Zenith anyway...
@@jakubvojta2767 thnx for advice. I at least try to get MB and look on my armor stacker with MB need to do this at least in one league, so that later I know that it's not worth it)
Armour stacker is a mediocre high budget at this point. You can do a lot more with that currency, both in tankiness (trickster) and in damage (vaal ls)
@@rekt2065 in tota they flagged me and wife for "3rd party software". We have a guild so it's easier to share stuff, I suppose it triggered on one and they took the "whole guild". Took us 2 weeks for appeal and unban. Sadly, since it was still early in league train escaped and we never caught up. Never got any memo as to what triggered it, in the 1st place otherwise I would avoid (but like, the two softwares we had at the time was awakened poe trade and community version of poe overlay), but yeah, it is what it is, they seem to be very trigger happy and you can get unbanned, but it is just so slow :(
Agreed, after go’ogling around I didn't realize that Simmy Krotiel's Bigger Blueprint was updated and you can make it bigger even faster, yep, what Simmy suggested before was pretty good, but now it can grow up to 4 ins, I managed 3 ins myself and I feel like a monster lol
It's funny to see how armour stacker have more and more DMG while losing more and more armour over the patches
I don't mean ANY offense, but I love how I have NO IDEA who you are (just saw this video in my recommended) and here we have a dude who is probably more knowledgeable about the game and mechanics than 80% of the big streamers that I watch, with a much stronger character and so on. I think it's amazing to think about how many people play this game just not streaming maybe or anything and they have this immense understanding of the game and builds and nobody will ever know. Good video mate!
I consider myself a 1% player making multiple mirrors every league and I came across a random guy that made me feel like I just started yesterday. Was looking around some discussions about some endgame farms and the guy was making his main currency farming voided valdo maps in week1 of the league. valdos are one of the rare things I have not touched yet in the game and my god that was an eye opener.
He was making 1000-1700div PER DAY in week1-2 of the league doing this. This dude made more currency by day 3 than I can make in 4-8weeks of playing and I already make more currency than the majority of people
No matter how good you think you are there are always people that make you look like you just started out :D
Also wasnt a streamer or anything, just a random dude that minmaxed his gameplay to do voided valdos asap.
@@dirtymightmusic5239thats insane, what build was he playing? Im probably a tier below you as a player, its my first time having a mirror this league and now i have 3 i wanna try this build
... @@dirtymightmusic5239
@@Exileeeeeeee was last league pretty sure the build is not playable anymore. it was a DD pathfinder.
The void valdo maps i see this league are more expensive than 3 mirrors so that will be a tough time :D
no clue how "cheap" you can get non void valdo builds running. something i might try out a bit this league or next one
Big streamers don't know shit bro. They have a discord with knowledgeable people in there feeding them Information...... and even builds... the biggest PoE streamer hasn't made a single build of his own in years and people haven't even noticed. 👌💯
Really nice leaguestarter. Using this for 3.26 😂
Oh hey, you're the guy who helped belton armours tacker last league, nice build.
10+ mirror and his character isnt there yet.. I made a mistake trying to build this character i dont even have mageblood.. 😭
Withlut mageblood its a pain i tried it. Not having all flask up in all situation makes the character very clunky
@@ashuragaming1981 I got mageblood today, but im using it for now on other character (Ice nova of frostbolts - main character); my quesiton is: whats next upgrade after mageblood? is it nimis or maybe body armour with fire res overcapped + better helmet with levels gems mods? ty
great overview !
well i invested 4 mirrors in the build with ascendant in dual wield and used budget tank pob and its not tanky at all i am kinda dissapointed af like sure the dmg is crazy but i am dying to uber maven by any attack she does the only thing i can do is stand in her pools and i mean i can do deathless fight the point is it doesnt feel like tanky build at all when i did trickster with 1000 divine build i could facetank 4 ghosted feared valdo map and i still managed to get 40mil dps oh well now i know armor stacker isnt for me
10mirror and still weaker than my 1d hexblaster 😂😂 jke nice build bro keep it up❤
Sure bro ... sure 🙄
@@pierreviguie 10 mirrors to ignore boss mechanics 🙄
Scion is my fav class... i have avoided it totally this league bc ive only been able to do giga uber exiles with her every season with minimal investment vrs other builds.
Already spend like 200div on a cheap version of built with personal changes, its good, but for this budget u can create other character much stronger. U need to spend at least 2 mirr for this character to delete everything
Its like other people are playing a different game than me .-.
What do u think about grand spectrum +min enduring charges instead of ff?
11:30 fyi the wisps dont really give loot anymore, with 7k wisps i got 5c of loot in exhcange of making the map 2x longer, they said they increased the currency drop rate but they did not, every time i had 0 difference in loot
Can you do a jugg or chieftain version
it's a shame armour stackers lost their top end defence. It's like GGG only wants a couple of deep delve capable builds at a time
If you had roughly 3 mirror budget; where would you start with it?
you buy valdo box to or buy specific Valdo map to farm?
How do you search the small cluster juwels in the trade with "more mana reservation effency"??
You type "~enchant small" and select "Added Small Passive Skills Grant: #". Then select the reservation in the second combo box.
GGG watching this and thinking what to nerf next patch.
Hi Bigdaddy, l am a standard league armor stacker and l have a question about the choice of amulet between Redeem influenced simplex amulet (increased 40% aura effect & all skill gem +2) and your reflected focused amulet (4+4). Which one is better?
Try in pob but I think aura one better? Can come ask in my disc, we have channel for standard too now
Thank you for your reply l have not crafted your focused amulet yet. You helped me to avoid wasting currency. By the way, I’m a PS player and play armor stacker only. I think my current setup is the best version for me since scourge league. (100% PTA transcendence dual wielding OS flicker strike).
That's not an armor stacker anymore.. Starting to resemble something like armor packer now..
Why does he say trickster is getting nerfed? What's the OP trickster build?
5% EDR on boots would be nice
like your MTX, what is it?
Do you happen to have a budget video for 3.25 armor stacker coming or already up?
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@@hugolopes10 I mean he did say you could get one going with 20-30 divines i was just wondering if there was one for like 50-300 or a little more divines lmfao
@@thebestatevery8070 trust me as someone playing this at the moment its just not worth it. Especially if you can't afford a mageblood.
cloth and chain + regen mastery doesnt work or something? i believe it should be better than fire mastery
I always wonder what you do to start a league and how u get 10 mirror budgets
Quick money craft, flipping market, hosting 5way, boss, map, valdo etc carry. Many methods veteran uses to make money.
highly recommend the new amulet that belton crafted, 150div fee, more tanky but less dmg, he has a video explaining it.
It doesn't really make you tankier tbh and dmg loss is huge so I won't be using it.
got another question im going to do scion armor stacker and in your pob you use molten strike but you use lightning penetration and lightning exposure but molten strike converts dmg to fire so i dont understand am i missing something?
Smite aura.
You get a shitload of flat lightning from smite and wrath
i am making this build currently, at the moment im at the pre-mageblood stage,
what would you suggest people do for currency until they get their mageblood and start farming t17's comfortable?
I'm doind the same, I think farming Simulacrum is a good option, I think that's what he did this league as starter
Farm decks, they are pretty profit and cand farm mb in 2-3 days
@@Thiefk12 if they dropped stacked then i probably would picking up 30000 items 1 by 1 is not something i ever want to do.
Im salty about the death of transcendence and phys taken as so many of my builds just died over night
Dont even think of starting such build unless u live in poe xd
how do you go about making mirrors worth of currency? lucky drops from simulacrum? i play for a few weeks and am lucky to make a mirror
crafting, the high end players make all their currency from crafting
@bozy0223 ok let's say I'm not a High end player but it'd like to try armour stacker, how does one start amd transition into a 15-20d starting req in a few days 😂
@@jordanriemer7460 probably shouldn't try it, armour stackers are pretty notorious for being very expensive, and won't feel very good to play before you put a lot of currency into it
@@jordanriemer7460 if you want a high investment build play one of the trickster variants. This build will not feel good until you're in the ballpark of 3-5 mirrors invested, and at that point it is still weaker than other options such as the trickster I mentioned. It's not until you go for the fully perfect gear that this build really shines and achieves those insane billion+ dps numbers while being incredibly tanky.
Whould you say no Mb version is better than a 3 flask Mb? And what flask would you ditch if using 3 flask mb?
Ditch the fire res one, action speed will be better to make the build more comfortable.
Just divine it to 4?
Obviously his mb is corrupted
Yeah it's a corrupted one...
What atlas strategy you used for farming?
Mastercard
Is original sin still an option or do we loose too much from that
Every time I try in pob it's not really a dmg increase and you just lose stats basically
I use OS and personally feel better than KT, my other ring is triple synthesis ring with double aura effect and FC.
Cosmetic info??? Look dope!!
Check end of vid
Ok thx
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr erm, How to buy old cosmetic like demigod set ?
Hi, is it worth to get fortify on melee hit for weapon?
You already have 50% chance to gain fortify on hit with the champion mastery, so it's seems like a waste
How can I get armor is overcapped by fire resist that is not grasping mail?
recombinators.
You can't, you need to get it straight from rings and then try to fracture it for the GG armour
Abyssus helmet if I'm correct
@@stonedpanda1538Formless Flame
i have the dual wield items but my scion are level 75 have a problem if i use the dual wield version items and tree?
That’s kinda the very base amount to swap, this build really really wants every single point possible, so getting to lvl 100 is extremely important.
I think the biggest upgrades to start are lvl 100 then a mageblood for flasks
you are clearly way too new to play this build lol, you're cooked if you even dare and try to build this
What did you farm to earn so much currencies
Mostly valdo maps
Disculpen, que personaje es?
Where did u get so much curr bro ?)
seems like mainly valdo's maps. maybe some hideout warrior-ing and/or selling crafts that he intended for armour stacker but "bricked" and serve other builds much better
Minimum stuff to do valdos fine? Mb + what
Mb, nimis, 150m DPS or so is what I started with
It was the first ligue ArmorStacking gave me nightmare to start with. I allways started as armourstacker from 5 ligues ago, I never get any troubles (champion or jugg + doryanis prototype).
At the beggining of the maps, u feel pretry slow without haste. U feel that u have way less damage than before from deter/grace nerfs. Plus, its very unconfortable to play with legion boots as jugg. U need tons of points to grab eldritch battery, and u have no ES gear except gloves and boots, wich is not easy to start with this configuration.
I decided then to reroll for an other build, for the first time untill 5 ligues. I pet 3-4 mirror into my new build and armourstacking really disapointed me.
Can you please make a video or a PoB for ppl who need help for the transitions of the build ? I mean, its easy to buy every piece of the gear and play it. But when you start with it, what are u looking for ?
The problème for me was to use legion boots early. It broken my build. I had no probleme to start as champion or jugg before without using thoses boots. And in early ligue, restart all the top-way tree was to expensive and anying.
I think i ll start without the boots next time. Or i ll stay stick to my new build… I feel really disguted about AS.
which mtx is your armour, wings, swords?:)
Demigod sword, from season races prizes
can i afford to make armor stacker with 3 mirror budget? wich would feel good and not clunky?
Yea should be fine. Make sure to price check gear and self craft clusters.
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr sadly i am very noob at crafting if there isnt step by step guide written in the notes i cant make them
I have vids on clusters but it's very easy. Just get fractured intro base and harvest spam fire and ex annul
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr oh okay thanks for fast reply
question, why -4 min frenzy.. i see others -min endurance..
It doesn't really matter too much since atm it's dead mod but if you do hit +4 min then you get frenzy charge on bossing. Min endurance only is good for thug ghosted mobs
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr hi bigdaddy.. is there a trade off i dont know here about the mist reflection.. why cannot get +8skills and +4minimum..
@dMDiNg you can but it will probably cost over 10 mirror to make as the odds of hitting all 3 are very low
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr is not possible to hinekora lock and see the outcome first?
@@davidwang1307yes but it has a multiplier of 1.75 to 2.15 or something like that and you need to roll at least 2+ to double so the odd are very low and you also need to be lucky to get all 3 positives. Thats why its expensive.
What are your tattoos?
Mostly, max ES and stun avoidance. Then some reses and defences.
The ideal brutal restraint has 20% stun avoidance and then you wanna use tattoos for the other 80%, and since you stack int on the rest of the gear for ES, you can afford to use ES tattoos and still wear a Twilight Regalia pretty comfortably. If you can fit fire res or %armor it's fine to add them on strength nodes, but unless you have good small clusters strength is gonna be the hardest stat to acquire overall.
Thanks guys
Is there any possibility you could realise this build in a ssf scenario?
i mean everything is possible. if you luck out hard enough
Good luck please anyone with 3 1 passive voices in ssf respond it's 2024 ,I expect a response by 2030
Standard yes, in league no chance because no time to farm one passive voices and mb etc, but standard ssf you can do it in a year or half if you play daily 5-6 hours or more
Why Lightning Pen?
99.99999% of the damage this build does is lightning damage.
How the hell are you farming 10 mirror, are you playing 20hr per day ?
When you char can clean valdo maps. That every mageblood map is like 60 div profit
Mahaha
how do you craft the amulet
be very hard now that hinekora locks are 80div each. 10 locks is the price of a mirror. On trade theres 2 for sale for 5 mirrors. Thats almost worth it to just buy the amulet instead of craft
@@supmikey123 im just curious about the process :)
I made a vid a few days ago on it
can i league start this xdd
Of course, just keep running the beach until you drop a mirror off of Hillock lol
I can never understand how ppl get so much currency in a league
when we talking about multi mirrors.. they are nooo freaking way its no rmt in it xD its just.. no way a person in 2-3 week can make solo.. this much and to craft the gear at some time
@@evildarkeevildark5943 There are people that get 30-50 mirrors week 1. Usually it's a combination of profit crafting, good investments early and a HUGE amount of knowledge.
I currently have about 4-5 ish mirrors worth of stuff in the league and I'm not even close to what some people get.
@@evildarkeevildark5943 nah its just people quite literally playing 12-16 hours a day
@@KingMeeqs paired with high risk/investment strat
1 mirror is around $60 you can make that in 3 hours if you have a decent job
+1 on what mtx is that
Check end of vid
what's that mtx setup
@joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814
hace 0 segundos
Demigod sword, from season races prizes
10+ Mirror build - build which 99.9% players in POE will never get - thanks for demotivation.. I have only accumulated half a MB worth of currency since the start
I play now armor stacker without MB with investment around 70-100 Divine and have super low dps (by feeling)
wdym demotivation, just play literally anything else and you will get 10x better build for half the currency, armor stacking is a meme below 5 mirrors, and its even after its just a money flex build unless you want to push delve, in which case you would go Zenith anyway...
@@jakubvojta2767 thnx for advice. I at least try to get MB and look on my armor stacker with MB
need to do this at least in one league, so that later I know that it's not worth it)
?
Armour stacker is a mediocre high budget at this point. You can do a lot more with that currency, both in tankiness (trickster) and in damage (vaal ls)
did you see that misha got banned ?
Yes, it seems like ggg has made some ban mistakes recently. Sone other ppl I know we're also banned or account locked for no reason
Reason for ban?
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr hard to believe every ban is a mistake tbh but i hope every innocent player will get rightfully unbanned
@@rekt2065 in tota they flagged me and wife for "3rd party software". We have a guild so it's easier to share stuff, I suppose it triggered on one and they took the "whole guild". Took us 2 weeks for appeal and unban. Sadly, since it was still early in league train escaped and we never caught up. Never got any memo as to what triggered it, in the 1st place otherwise I would avoid (but like, the two softwares we had at the time was awakened poe trade and community version of poe overlay), but yeah, it is what it is, they seem to be very trigger happy and you can get unbanned, but it is just so slow :(
Agreed, after go’ogling around I didn't realize that Simmy Krotiel's Bigger Blueprint was updated and you can make it bigger even faster, yep, what Simmy suggested before was pretty good, but now it can grow up to 4 ins, I managed 3 ins myself and I feel like a monster lol