I became a heist enjoyer again. Setting up the rogues is boring (I was really inefficient at it, you can get it done in an hour) but once you do, and you have fast character it feels really nice to just zoomzoom through the blueprints. Profit is amazing, considering the amulet RNG. But, as always, Based or Cringe is in the eye of the beholder. If opening doors is not for you, that's completely understandable. Thanks for watching!
Can you or some heist pro give me a tldr of the efficient setup for rogues? I've tried to get into heist twice after the actual league and given up before I even got my rogues maxed out. Was thinking this might be a nice thing to try next league. Though dunno how much ms u have to sacrifice to actually stay safe in hc.
@@Parhaimmisto Woudnt consider myself a pro, but I enjoy Heist and I do it every league. This is how I gear my rogues: In the cloack, look for this mod: 5% chance to not Activate Lockdown in Grand Heists (need ilvl 83+ for the 5%) In the tools: +1 to Level of all Jobs for Heists (ilvl 82+) In the brooch and gear: increased Job speedSpeed you can craft this with Harvest And thats it!! i hope this was useful and tldr enough for you :)
oh and in the trinket if you cannot afford the divine one which i never ever had btw lol, either 10% chance to duplicate rogue markers dropped by mobs, or 10% chance to duplicate rogue markers from smuggler caches
Click on on door wait for door. Next door click on door wait for door. Next door click on door wait for door. Next door click on door wait for door. I mean I can keep going that's what hiest is.
I've been super lucky in heist this league and made about a mirror in 2 days. Got a focused amulet on day 1 and split, sold for 150 div each. Then found a simplex amulet on day 2 and split, sold for 250div each.
If someone wants to do this, you can increase the value of the "chaos orbs have a chance to drop as divine orbs instead" trinket by rolling "chance to duplicate basic currency" on your rogues' gear. It rolls after the trinket, so if you have 15% duplicate chance and a divine drops, you have a 15%chance to get two divines. So for every Chaos that drops, you have 2.49*(1 + duplicate chance) expected value, equalling to .0249c extra value per %duplicate chance. Doesn't sound much, but if you have 3 rogues with 15% (=max value) each, you get an extra 1.12c per chaos dropped, for a total of 3,61c per chaos dropped. Of course you could do it without the divine trinket, too, but you'd probably make more with duplicate div cards or duplicate catalysts instead.
just an fyi, since you were saying how good rewards group up together. There is a mod for cloaks that is a chance for the alarm to not start when you break out a reward. With that being said, you have a chance to be able to select an additional reward in your heists
the annoying part of heist is doing intro quests, unlocking rogues, leveling up the crew, gearing up the crew, doing a lot of contracts for discount blueprints or farming marks, no atlas progression, no atlas bonus, rippy af, no blueprint or contracts dropped, hearing them saying stuff like "rook? ROOOOOK" all the time but the rewards can be great.
“why do the good rewards keep grouping together” that’s why ‘% chance to not activate lockdown in grand heists” is also an important mod for your rogues
what are the chances of finding multiple good rewards AND have the rogue gear proc? It's nice to have but rolling the reward more times is way more important.
I started doing heist last week. Ran around 700 wings, got pretty lucky with the amulets (2 focused and 1 astrolobe), 2 farruls fur, 1 alberons. Haven't seen hh yet. Overall got pretty lucky so I'm happy with it.
About that trinket, I would suggest calculating the effect a litte differently. You found 686c with the trinket, therefore, 686 = 99%, for 100% you just divide by 0.99 -> 686/0.99 = 692.929 This means that without the trinket you would have found 692.929c, lets just round that to 693c, the difference between those numbers are of course transformed into divs -> 693-686 = 7 Therefore, we can conclude that 7 divs were dropped due to that trinket (or 6.929 if you hate rounding). This calculation doesnt rely on the theoretical value of chaos drops as used in the video, therefore, its basically more accurate, however, the theoretical value approach is more useful to value the effect of the trinket generally, whereas my approach is more useful to calculate the effect on a given number of drops.
How did you do that? I struggle cos plaing on mac with deforcenow and dualshock, all good, but pricecheking its pain in ass, pls give your dis or feedback
I did heist for a week and managed to gear up an LS trickster character with close to bis. I made enough for a mageblood in the first 3 days and managed to find 4 helicat rings and an amulet (not simplex), that sold for 150 div x 2 (split) and an 80 div trinket. That was on top of everything else, like tailoring orbs, divs (sometimes 5 at once) and replicas. I revealed, which is probably slightly less divs per hour than running them without revealing, but it was still very fast and efficient (you can do a deception contract in 30 seconds if the layout is not trash). I did not count divines per hour, but I was definitely making over 20 when it was all said and done. Very profitable and easy, but extremely boring and tedious.
@@jamesricardo2488 I didn't start at the start of the league, but I would assume you also do blueprints. The contracts do give some decent bubble gum currency early on if you open all the chests (I skipped them in contracts), but blueprints are a lot of more profitable, as long as you can find enough to buy early league. Some of the replicas are worth a lot more at the start.
@@jamesricardo2488 Buy contracts to level up rogue's (i'd just buy bulk random from trade site or discord this late in league), then run them as fast as you're comfy with. Look up which ones go to lv 5 and do that. Then run blueprints, can buy them bulk or grind them out.
yeah my buddy and I have been running heists a lot on standard since that league ended. everytime we blow our currency, we just go there for like an hour and gg
Maaan, you were miserable while leveling the rogues. I'm glad it turned around and you actually had fun. Enough fun to run some more, which was very surprising! I'm a casual heist enjoyer, I go I there just to waste time and take a breather, so this was fun to watch!
i havent been able to heist in 4-5 leagues, every time i go to Rogue's Harbor, the sheer amount of people with microtransactions crashes my game every time. GGG needs to add the ability to turn off other peoples microtransactions. its unnecessary, i only need to see my skins, i dont care about other peoples skins. i dont see a skin and say ooooo i want that, i only wonder how long until my fucking games crashes.
this used to happen to me and the crash text box would say some mtx name and an error. always an mtx i didnt own. i switched from vulkan to dx12 and it completely stopped crashing since last league. still runs like crap though if the harbour is busy.
They know you don’t care about other peoples MTX, but it’s free advertising especially for those who’d like to see what it actually looks like in game before they buy it, it’s a free way monetisation for them and very highly doubt they’ll add the option
I switched to vulcan and capped fps at 90 and the game has been buttery smooth since. But i had to do the fps cap and I don't know why exactly that works. @@zeus1815
Thanks Empy for doing all these. I know this might be a bit of a "hot take" (or not depending how much of a juicer you are I guess), but having a strat that makes 13 div/h while demanding so much preparation is just kind of ass. - Leveling up the rogues is boring as hell - buying/getting gear for them to make them good - buy 500 BPs (even with bulk buying thats just kind of annoying, especially in a league where you can just buy scarabs of the NPC) - make a Heist character that runs fast and invest in a decent trinket - you forfeit your town and basically get no gold - having to load into the shitty MTX filled cancerhole that is kingsmarch after every BP - doors I'd argue Heist is not profitable enough for an "alternate to maps" mechanic, especially, when Sanctum exists and is just a way "better" Heist. Running fast is fun though. Im glad we still have the runners and them feeling like they make bank, because every endgame builds seems to need either an amulet or a ring and no amount of mirrors can get me to do this.
Leveling all your rogues up to max level is a mistake. Get them just high enough to do some of your blueprints and let blueprints finish leveling them. That way you spend the least amount of time running inefficient contracts that aren't for gianna.
empy had nice profit per hour without rare heist bases even tho he should get some of them just getting one helical instead of cogwork would boost profit per hour by a lot and he should get one focused ammy only thing which makes me skip heist entirely is tons of loading screens and lag fiesta with all those mtx lvling rogues is quite fast and u do it once same with making heist character and trinket isnt req to profit
@@kevinblackwellwelder Plus the blueprints you can't run due to rogue level have a red background so you don't need to go hunting for ones they can run.
heist is such good profit because nobody wants to run heist, but what it gives you is actually pretty good.. and once you hit one of those GG multiple hundreds of divine bases it all pays off.
We already know Heist is cringe but let atleast see if the loot will be based. Turns out the loot is actually pretty based, even without a simplex. Since its that much you probably should have added the 3 hours of setting up the grand heists to the run time, taking hourly rates from 8 div closer to 6 - 6.5 div.
@@Liword132 I think its fine for most 50 Map projects Empy does. Rolling maps might take 10 minutes. You can sell bigger drops while mapping and keep items you want to sell in bulk until you have a big enough bulk. Which means prep time is not much and you can liquidate while playing. Empy just collects everything to give people are rough estimate of what to expect. But with this episode is a big difference between rolling 50 maps in 10 minutes and setting up 576 grand heists in 3 hours.
3 hours should absolutely NOT be added to runtime, that's leveling rouges, a thing that you do only once per league. You don't roll blueprints, so the only prep time would be scour + assign rougues. That's about 2sec per blueprint. Bying should be easy in bulk and selling is pretty much the same as with most strats: currency tradehouse and some uniques/bases for 1div+
I mean the profit was a quarter div for a wing. So if you don't get anything good you could just not trigger the alarm and run to a different one. Just gotta see how many rogue makers it takes to reveal a wing and if it's less than a quarter div it's worth doing. Of course this is slower, so who knows.
This is why it's critical to roll max "chance to not trigger alarm" on all your Rogues cloaks, gives you a total 15% chance you can snag a second reward, and I've even very rarely been able to grab a third :3
if you implement SPell Block and Attack block into your build, you could ignore the mines and Lasers completely. Sure, it makes you a bit slower but I'd think that it's worth being able to actually tank every trap in Heist
Could have also rolled the rogue gear to get 5% chance per rogue to not trigger lockdown when opening big reward chest, so 15% chance to get multiple rewards per run or just to be able to walk out without the doors etc shutting
I've been Heisting hard since Heist league and you taught me something new at 14:40. Holy shit I never knew it worked that way. Also what is the "currency trick" you did and what does it accomplish?
It lets you place whatever you’re running (maps/heists) into the right side of your inventory so it doesn’t get mixed with the loot you’re farming and dumping into your stash.
Thanks for the great videos thought the league Currently barely playing PoE myself since I'm just waiting for PoE2, but still love your content Seeing you run some of my favorite content at like 50x the speed I usually do was quite cool to see, keep it up
I'm a poe noob, did two leagues only, and I'm thinking about running a heist league starter on next league, is this noob friendly ? Is a heist character expensive gear wise on league start ? Is it advised to also run sanctum with it ? And kinda live outside of maps ?
u can literally get basic heist character gear for under 2divs. Queen of the Forest chest, Ascent From Flesh belt, Three-step Assault boots (big evasion-to-speed boost for Queen of the Forest) even with corrupted implicit for 8-10% movement speed on boots for cheap, Devoto's Devotion helmet, 2x Ichimonji swords, all of that can be even under 1div day 2 or 3 of the league. if u wana go premium u can buy Tempered Spirit unique jewel (must be socketed in specific jewel socket for max effect), u can get Watchers Eye with "%movement speed while affected by grace". try to pick up all "increased movements speed" on passive tree and u are ready to go, for really really cheap. i did this for 6 leagues in a row and it was cheap and effective every single time, ESPECIALLY on league start where u can make a fortune just from bubble currency alone
Early heist strat is to go to harbor every level from 58 to 68 and buy every lockpicking and demolition from vendor. You run them all before killing kitava and get some early currency to start mapping. You could start a sanctum build from here too, I do it when i know i'm playing a character that sucks early on. Buying contract is too slow early and not rewarding if zone is below lvl 81 so if you wanna commit to heist might as well do it after having progressed atlas a bit imo. Heist is more noob friendly and less build prohibitive than sanctum but also less rewards. Sanctum is probably your best non mapping option.
wait, the ctrl or alt click stuff works on other npcs too On lily ctrl click is sell, alt click is buy gems, ctrl+alt click is div cards, legit life-saver
Heist is perfect for the brainlets like me that cannot price check too well. you either get raw currency or one of the more profitable uniques/bases which there are not that many of , not to mention it is pretty rewarding ! In 2 days of not so intense gaming managed to get 5 alberons back when they were still 50div allowing me to get my first mageblood (yippee).
11:14 omg I knew about ctrl-clicking being useful on pretty much every npc with more than jus voice lines, but it never struck me to try alt-click instead those times when ctrl-click was reserved for a different action than the one I wanted. I'm gonna alt-click fkn all of them.
Heist is like super profitable. I made like 30 div just doing the challenge a few leagues ago. Doesn't change that I hate it. Never run it unless it's a challenge.
i bought my mageblood like week 3 after heisting for 1 week on league start and thats with 0 simplex/helical ring drops. pure alberon/farruls/replica HH.
why single wing only? the rogue's markers are cheap, and each additional wing reveal is roughly 4-10 chaos each, based on how many wings have been revealed. I realize it is a pain to do the additional reveals, though. I did a lot of heist this league, but I don't know if ill go back to it because of the lack of gold.
‘I realise it’s a pain to do all the reveals’ - what you said. Also farming said reveals. If i can just put in the next blueprint instead, why wouldn’t I do that :D
pretty good, add +1 hour for assigning all fucking rogues for 500+ blueprints 😛, also right now with divines being ONLY 100c blueprints are automatically more expensive (not counting more people doing this strat rn bcz of this video), overall it should still be somewhere around 10 div/hr with a good chance for a jackpot
I can't play sanctum, betrayal, expedition or heist. I require content without thinking: harvest, incursion (yes i need to read 2 sentences every time i enter that's hard), blight, simulacurum
Hello, really enjoy your content and trying things in-game with you. Will you do the best currency strategy, The Sanctum, to prove its superiority in this league? xD
been skipping heist for leaguessss now. I might give it a shot if I didn't have to go through the story of gathering and leveling all the rogues. and someway to check prices without searching manually
One caveat here is that gold is actually worth something. We know that 50 million shipments can earn 1-3 mirror shards, and running heist means you are foregoing gold to pay your farmers.
heist actually gains some gold from guards (not enough to sustain mappers but enough to sustain farmers), sanctum gets 0 gold if you do his strat where you don't kill anything, then yeah it's kinda rip bozo
@@Covertghost He literally showed at the end of the video: he earned 66 thousand gold over 11 hours. That's not even enough gold to sell a bunch of scarabs/random stuff on the auction house, let alone run kingsmarch.
@@kaide2759 I farmed over 60 Fledgelings this league and full cleared the heists for stacked decks. The gold is complete dogshit compared to even alch n go yellow maps.
@@vastonik dogshit yes, where did I argue that? I said the video isn't an accurate representation of the gold you get, because he was barely killing guards.
I've been saying heist needs streamlined for a long time, other content got a lot of it's more annoying parts cut down, heist still needs it. Lose rogue leveling. I'm not even sure contracts have a place in the game any more. Make atlas nodes that reward reveals. Here's hoping the heist characters being in kingsmarch is a subtle hint were going to see something done with heist. Perhaps rogues leading our shipments with a chance to find super heists or something, idk.
Wow people really love to hate heist. I love how everybody just complains how all you do is open doors as if the entire rest of POE isn't largely comprised of extreme repetition. Kind of the point of Heist is the simple fact that opening doors is literally different than killing mobs. Also, if you aren't a long term player that has game knowledge that more or less trivializes the challenge of the entire game(especially softcore trade players) content like Heist can actually be engaging and fun. Just because you build a character that doesn't die ever doesn't mean Heist is what makes the game boring. What makes the game boring is you've run out of new things to do and learn, and at that point all of the content becomes a door simulator, just with less doors I guess.
Probably "Camera Rotation Effects" in the UI options. I have it turned of, because it makes me dizzy when running up to Veritania and the camera follows around the tower. Also changes the camera angle in rogue harbour to not fit with the mini map for some reason.
Either you got super unlucky or I got crazy lucky. I've run probably half the amount you had and I've gotten 5 replica furs when they were around 20d, and two helical rings.
I bought them in bulk from TFT, took a few minutes. I never take into account buying maps in these strats either, only farming time, so it’s consistent accross strats.
It's more about being able to run more blue prints and thus seeing more rewards at the end, which means more helicat rins, more simplexes, etc. In the short term, revealing is better; in the long term, running them as is, is more profit. If you are poor without a lot to invest, it's better to reveal for sure. If for some reason lots of people start doing heist, you would probably have to reveal, as there would not be enough blueprints to go around, but nobody does heist.
Heist has always been one of my favorite gambas but the rogue leveling and having to share the hub with other players gets old and tiring very quickly.
Wouldnt gold be way higher if you killed mobs? perhaps some kind of autobomber or rf character that is close to being as fast as yours could actually be even better for this no?
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I became a heist enjoyer again. Setting up the rogues is boring (I was really inefficient at it, you can get it done in an hour) but once you do, and you have fast character it feels really nice to just zoomzoom through the blueprints. Profit is amazing, considering the amulet RNG. But, as always, Based or Cringe is in the eye of the beholder. If opening doors is not for you, that's completely understandable.
Thanks for watching!
Can you or some heist pro give me a tldr of the efficient setup for rogues? I've tried to get into heist twice after the actual league and given up before I even got my rogues maxed out. Was thinking this might be a nice thing to try next league. Though dunno how much ms u have to sacrifice to actually stay safe in hc.
@@Parhaimmisto Woudnt consider myself a pro, but I enjoy Heist and I do it every league.
This is how I gear my rogues:
In the cloack, look for this mod:
5% chance to not Activate Lockdown in Grand Heists (need ilvl 83+ for the 5%)
In the tools:
+1 to Level of all Jobs for Heists (ilvl 82+)
In the brooch and gear:
increased Job speedSpeed
you can craft this with Harvest
And thats it!! i hope this was useful and tldr enough for you :)
oh and in the trinket if you cannot afford the divine one which i never ever had btw lol, either 10% chance to duplicate rogue markers dropped by mobs, or 10% chance to duplicate rogue markers from smuggler caches
Ma Bro...
Dont punish yourself 😂
Could I ask if there's any other items besides the Jewel that have huge roll range value? I wasn't aware the jewel had value if it was 6/6
Rice jokes are even better than pasta ones. They really get engrained in your mind.
And the puns are at least thrice as good.
Click on on door wait for door. Next door click on door wait for door. Next door click on door wait for door. Next door click on door wait for door. I mean I can keep going that's what hiest is.
ggg thought "how to make clicking doors worse" and they came up with heist 10/10 gg noobs
only fun part of heist is the reward, peak design
btw you dont have to click on doors, you can just press the league mechanic hotkey
@@Liword132 it's the same
@@Liword132 click on key wait for door click on key wait for door want me to continue...
I've been super lucky in heist this league and made about a mirror in 2 days. Got a focused amulet on day 1 and split, sold for 150 div each. Then found a simplex amulet on day 2 and split, sold for 250div each.
Find only simplex after 1640 runs. Streamer client off((
atleast you know your lucky xd
@@positivesounds7598 xd
cant you split 3 ways now?
@@vincentFGC you can but only on 6 mod items, since every item will have 1 pre and 1 suffix and simplex can only have 3 stats
If someone wants to do this, you can increase the value of the "chaos orbs have a chance to drop as divine orbs instead" trinket by rolling "chance to duplicate basic currency" on your rogues' gear. It rolls after the trinket, so if you have 15% duplicate chance and a divine drops, you have a 15%chance to get two divines. So for every Chaos that drops, you have 2.49*(1 + duplicate chance) expected value, equalling to .0249c extra value per %duplicate chance.
Doesn't sound much, but if you have 3 rogues with 15% (=max value) each, you get an extra 1.12c per chaos dropped, for a total of 3,61c per chaos dropped. Of course you could do it without the divine trinket, too, but you'd probably make more with duplicate div cards or duplicate catalysts instead.
just an fyi, since you were saying how good rewards group up together. There is a mod for cloaks that is a chance for the alarm to not start when you break out a reward. With that being said, you have a chance to be able to select an additional reward in your heists
That sounds good, prolly worth if you run a lot, i’m guessing it’s pretty expensive with jobspeed also
the annoying part of heist is doing intro quests, unlocking rogues, leveling up the crew, gearing up the crew, doing a lot of contracts for discount blueprints or farming marks, no atlas progression, no atlas bonus, rippy af, no blueprint or contracts dropped, hearing them saying stuff like "rook? ROOOOOK" all the time
but the rewards can be great.
You don't have to do the quests fyi.
You can drop the quest contracts in any active zone...
It's one of the least rippy strats
“why do the good rewards keep grouping together” that’s why ‘% chance to not activate lockdown in grand heists” is also an important mod for your rogues
what are the chances of finding multiple good rewards AND have the rogue gear proc? It's nice to have but rolling the reward more times is way more important.
That works on the final chests?!!!
@@SyntheticaYT it does!
all these years, and i never knew the "league mechanic opens door" info. God DAMN that'll save me absolute SECONDS per league!!
I started doing heist last week. Ran around 700 wings, got pretty lucky with the amulets (2 focused and 1 astrolobe), 2 farruls fur, 1 alberons. Haven't seen hh yet. Overall got pretty lucky so I'm happy with it.
I dont understand why people keep mentioning astrolabe among their lucky drops... it's worth 40c
@@cocomoloco mainly cuz its a super rare drop (same drop rate as simplex/focused).
About that trinket, I would suggest calculating the effect a litte differently.
You found 686c with the trinket, therefore, 686 = 99%, for 100% you just divide by 0.99 -> 686/0.99 = 692.929
This means that without the trinket you would have found 692.929c, lets just round that to 693c, the difference between those numbers are of course transformed into divs -> 693-686 = 7
Therefore, we can conclude that 7 divs were dropped due to that trinket (or 6.929 if you hate rounding).
This calculation doesnt rely on the theoretical value of chaos drops as used in the video, therefore, its basically more accurate, however, the theoretical value approach is more useful to value the effect of the trinket generally, whereas my approach is more useful to calculate the effect on a given number of drops.
BTW, I used controller to confirm blueprints, saved the wrists and you can spam pretty fast.
really? is it faster than mouse? i may try that next time
How did you do that? I struggle cos plaing on mac with deforcenow and dualshock, all good, but pricecheking its pain in ass, pls give your dis or feedback
I did heist for a week and managed to gear up an LS trickster character with close to bis. I made enough for a mageblood in the first 3 days and managed to find 4 helicat rings and an amulet (not simplex), that sold for 150 div x 2 (split) and an 80 div trinket. That was on top of everything else, like tailoring orbs, divs (sometimes 5 at once) and replicas. I revealed, which is probably slightly less divs per hour than running them without revealing, but it was still very fast and efficient (you can do a deception contract in 30 seconds if the layout is not trash).
I did not count divines per hour, but I was definitely making over 20 when it was all said and done. Very profitable and easy, but extremely boring and tedious.
i just made a post detailing my experience with heist as well, and it coincides with your numbers, no revealing 25ish div an hour
Noob question, how do you start league with contract only? Any tutorial for that? My first league in poe
@@jamesricardo2488 I didn't start at the start of the league, but I would assume you also do blueprints. The contracts do give some decent bubble gum currency early on if you open all the chests (I skipped them in contracts), but blueprints are a lot of more profitable, as long as you can find enough to buy early league. Some of the replicas are worth a lot more at the start.
@@jamesricardo2488 Buy contracts to level up rogue's (i'd just buy bulk random from trade site or discord this late in league), then run them as fast as you're comfy with. Look up which ones go to lv 5 and do that. Then run blueprints, can buy them bulk or grind them out.
yeah my buddy and I have been running heists a lot on standard since that league ended. everytime we blow our currency, we just go there for like an hour and gg
Maaan, you were miserable while leveling the rogues. I'm glad it turned around and you actually had fun. Enough fun to run some more, which was very surprising! I'm a casual heist enjoyer, I go I there just to waste time and take a breather, so this was fun to watch!
Thanks!
i havent been able to heist in 4-5 leagues, every time i go to Rogue's Harbor, the sheer amount of people with microtransactions crashes my game every time. GGG needs to add the ability to turn off other peoples microtransactions. its unnecessary, i only need to see my skins, i dont care about other peoples skins. i dont see a skin and say ooooo i want that, i only wonder how long until my fucking games crashes.
this used to happen to me and the crash text box would say some mtx name and an error. always an mtx i didnt own. i switched from vulkan to dx12 and it completely stopped crashing since last league. still runs like crap though if the harbour is busy.
@@zeus1815 mine still crashes on DX12, DX11 and Vulkan
They know you don’t care about other peoples MTX, but it’s free advertising especially for those who’d like to see what it actually looks like in game before they buy it, it’s a free way monetisation for them and very highly doubt they’ll add the option
@@camm2113 I totally understand that, but it makes certain portions of the game literally unplayable and they need to fix it
I switched to vulcan and capped fps at 90 and the game has been buttery smooth since. But i had to do the fps cap and I don't know why exactly that works. @@zeus1815
Thanks Empy for doing all these.
I know this might be a bit of a "hot take" (or not depending how much of a juicer you are I guess), but having a strat that makes 13 div/h while demanding so much preparation is just kind of ass.
- Leveling up the rogues is boring as hell
- buying/getting gear for them to make them good
- buy 500 BPs (even with bulk buying thats just kind of annoying, especially in a league where you can just buy scarabs of the NPC)
- make a Heist character that runs fast and invest in a decent trinket
- you forfeit your town and basically get no gold
- having to load into the shitty MTX filled cancerhole that is kingsmarch after every BP
- doors
I'd argue Heist is not profitable enough for an "alternate to maps" mechanic, especially, when Sanctum exists and is just a way "better" Heist.
Running fast is fun though.
Im glad we still have the runners and them feeling like they make bank, because every endgame builds seems to need either an amulet or a ring and no amount of mirrors can get me to do this.
But then imagine you find a simplex for 400 div (1 in 1500 wings) and a focused for 150 div (1 in ~500) while making this much consistent profit.
Leveling all your rogues up to max level is a mistake. Get them just high enough to do some of your blueprints and let blueprints finish leveling them. That way you spend the least amount of time running inefficient contracts that aren't for gianna.
empy had nice profit per hour without rare heist bases even tho he should get some of them just getting one helical instead of cogwork would boost profit per hour by a lot and he should get one focused ammy
only thing which makes me skip heist entirely is tons of loading screens and lag fiesta with all those mtx
lvling rogues is quite fast and u do it once same with making heist character and trinket isnt req to profit
@@kevinblackwellwelder Plus the blueprints you can't run due to rogue level have a red background so you don't need to go hunting for ones they can run.
Profitable? Yes
Fun? I don’t know about that buddy.
I used to loathe Heist, but then Sanctum happened and it's worse
Well the way he set up the strat is basically skipping the "gameplay" part of Heist and all side-rewards... so it is kind of fun.
and what do you run? what is "fun" to you? Lets see if we agree
@@SpecShadownah, for me sanctum is 100x more enjoyable than heist
heist is such good profit because nobody wants to run heist, but what it gives you is actually pretty good.. and once you hit one of those GG multiple hundreds of divine bases it all pays off.
We already know Heist is cringe but let atleast see if the loot will be based.
Turns out the loot is actually pretty based, even without a simplex.
Since its that much you probably should have added the 3 hours of setting up the grand heists to the run time, taking hourly rates from 8 div closer to 6 - 6.5 div.
Yeah sadly nobody ever takes into account the prep and sell time when flexing their big div/h strats
@@Liword132 I think its fine for most 50 Map projects Empy does. Rolling maps might take 10 minutes. You can sell bigger drops while mapping and keep items you want to sell in bulk until you have a big enough bulk. Which means prep time is not much and you can liquidate while playing. Empy just collects everything to give people are rough estimate of what to expect. But with this episode is a big difference between rolling 50 maps in 10 minutes and setting up 576 grand heists in 3 hours.
@@1992Hatzu He does it that way for consistency, it's expected of anyone using this data to understand prep and sell times and adjust expectations
3 hours should absolutely NOT be added to runtime, that's leveling rouges, a thing that you do only once per league. You don't roll blueprints, so the only prep time would be scour + assign rougues. That's about 2sec per blueprint. Bying should be easy in bulk and selling is pretty much the same as with most strats: currency tradehouse and some uniques/bases for 1div+
19:55 that a reason you take chance not to proc alarm on grand heist lol
I feel really stupid now for Never considering just running the 1. Wing and Not revealing…
same....
Same
I mean the profit was a quarter div for a wing. So if you don't get anything good you could just not trigger the alarm and run to a different one. Just gotta see how many rogue makers it takes to reveal a wing and if it's less than a quarter div it's worth doing. Of course this is slower, so who knows.
@@Kcajakon Generally you could just buy the fully revealed ones if you wanted to do this
@@Ressilge expect that the cost per wing basically doubles. But yeah if you don't have reveals. Idk I'm out of touch being ssf
I usually like to keep my 'Bazuka is my Dad comment' and leave it there but Joe is a legend and is big smart.
This is why it's critical to roll max "chance to not trigger alarm" on all your Rogues cloaks, gives you a total 15% chance you can snag a second reward, and I've even very rarely been able to grab a third :3
if you implement SPell Block and Attack block into your build, you could ignore the mines and Lasers completely. Sure, it makes you a bit slower but I'd think that it's worth being able to actually tank every trap in Heist
1:30 would be best to have a party member in rogue harbour and tp to them
Really have been lovin these based or cringe series, you.. you need to keep doing them lol, we need someone to test for us!
Could have also rolled the rogue gear to get 5% chance per rogue to not trigger lockdown when opening big reward chest, so 15% chance to get multiple rewards per run or just to be able to walk out without the doors etc shutting
Not reward chest, end heist display thing
Love the terraria music 🎶
Respect, but fuck that.
UA-cam viewers will not believe after this he did MORE
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16:17 HE'S LEARNING
I've been Heisting hard since Heist league and you taught me something new at 14:40. Holy shit I never knew it worked that way.
Also what is the "currency trick" you did and what does it accomplish?
It lets you place whatever you’re running (maps/heists) into the right side of your inventory so it doesn’t get mixed with the loot you’re farming and dumping into your stash.
ive been accidentally doing the league mechanic button thing and it took you explaining it for me to realize thats whats been going on for ages.
Thanks for the great videos thought the league
Currently barely playing PoE myself since I'm just waiting for PoE2, but still love your content
Seeing you run some of my favorite content at like 50x the speed I usually do was quite cool to see, keep it up
I'm a poe noob, did two leagues only, and I'm thinking about running a heist league starter on next league, is this noob friendly ? Is a heist character expensive gear wise on league start ? Is it advised to also run sanctum with it ? And kinda live outside of maps ?
Relatively cheap however heist is best the first 2 days or 2 weeks+ in. Sanctum will net more overall.
u can literally get basic heist character gear for under 2divs. Queen of the Forest chest, Ascent From Flesh belt, Three-step Assault boots (big evasion-to-speed boost for Queen of the Forest) even with corrupted implicit for 8-10% movement speed on boots for cheap, Devoto's Devotion helmet, 2x Ichimonji swords, all of that can be even under 1div day 2 or 3 of the league. if u wana go premium u can buy Tempered Spirit unique jewel (must be socketed in specific jewel socket for max effect), u can get Watchers Eye with "%movement speed while affected by grace". try to pick up all "increased movements speed" on passive tree and u are ready to go, for really really cheap. i did this for 6 leagues in a row and it was cheap and effective every single time, ESPECIALLY on league start where u can make a fortune just from bubble currency alone
A heist character usually have zDPS so you are not going to be able to farm Sanctum with it.
Early heist strat is to go to harbor every level from 58 to 68 and buy every lockpicking and demolition from vendor. You run them all before killing kitava and get some early currency to start mapping. You could start a sanctum build from here too, I do it when i know i'm playing a character that sucks early on.
Buying contract is too slow early and not rewarding if zone is below lvl 81 so if you wanna commit to heist might as well do it after having progressed atlas a bit imo.
Heist is more noob friendly and less build prohibitive than sanctum but also less rewards. Sanctum is probably your best non mapping option.
IMHO it's fun only for the first time, and after a very long time.
wait, the ctrl or alt click stuff works on other npcs too
On lily ctrl click is sell, alt click is buy gems, ctrl+alt click is div cards, legit life-saver
he doesn't take much into account. time to purchase blueprints and whether it will sell or not.
Heist is perfect for the brainlets like me that cannot price check too well. you either get raw currency or one of the more profitable uniques/bases which there are not that many of , not to mention it is pretty rewarding ! In 2 days of not so intense gaming managed to get 5 alberons back when they were still 50div allowing me to get my first mageblood (yippee).
11:14 omg I knew about ctrl-clicking being useful on pretty much every npc with more than jus voice lines, but it never struck me to try alt-click instead those times when ctrl-click was reserved for a different action than the one I wanted. I'm gonna alt-click fkn all of them.
Heist has always been profitable lol, it is just love-hate relationship with players
Bazuka is my Dad.
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512 kbyte of Amiga and 64 kbyte of C-64 memory! This can't be coincidence! :D
Yo, cant you split bases into 3 with the black morigan beast?
the expensive bases cant have 6 modifiers so no.
Some Heist bases cannot get 6 mods on them. A requirement of black morrigan is that the item must have 6 mods.
@@cz85 that, i didnt now. thank your teaching me
Heist is like super profitable. I made like 30 div just doing the challenge a few leagues ago. Doesn't change that I hate it. Never run it unless it's a challenge.
i bought my mageblood like week 3 after heisting for 1 week on league start and thats with 0 simplex/helical ring drops. pure alberon/farruls/replica HH.
Easy
for me the only bad thing about heist rn its having to level and gearing of your team, so I don't even touch heist.
why single wing only? the rogue's markers are cheap, and each additional wing reveal is roughly 4-10 chaos each, based on how many wings have been revealed. I realize it is a pain to do the additional reveals, though. I did a lot of heist this league, but I don't know if ill go back to it because of the lack of gold.
‘I realise it’s a pain to do all the reveals’ - what you said. Also farming said reveals. If i can just put in the next blueprint instead, why wouldn’t I do that :D
pretty good, add +1 hour for assigning all fucking rogues for 500+ blueprints 😛, also right now with divines being ONLY 100c blueprints are automatically more expensive (not counting more people doing this strat rn bcz of this video), overall it should still be somewhere around 10 div/hr with a good chance for a jackpot
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i did 5 4 wing blueprints last league for the challenge and got a hellical ring, pretty lucky :D
I can't play sanctum, betrayal, expedition or heist. I require content without thinking: harvest, incursion (yes i need to read 2 sentences every time i enter that's hard), blight, simulacurum
First day of league, first heist, replica alberons. Just goated.
Easy
6.86 and 686 chaos. Just perfect math
Hello, really enjoy your content and trying things in-game with you. Will you do the best currency strategy, The Sanctum, to prove its superiority in this league? xD
Nah every1 knows, i made multiple sanctum videos over the years, things haven’t changed drastically enough.
The Terraria music hit me with a wave of nostalgia.
been skipping heist for leaguessss now. I might give it a shot if I didn't have to go through the story of gathering and leveling all the rogues. and someway to check prices without searching manually
Holy shit, a mathematician to calculate 1%
bruh the chisels on mouse clip LOL
soon we'll see any strat worse then delve....
One caveat here is that gold is actually worth something. We know that 50 million shipments can earn 1-3 mirror shards, and running heist means you are foregoing gold to pay your farmers.
heist actually gains some gold from guards (not enough to sustain mappers but enough to sustain farmers), sanctum gets 0 gold
if you do his strat where you don't kill anything, then yeah it's kinda rip bozo
@@Covertghost He literally showed at the end of the video: he earned 66 thousand gold over 11 hours. That's not even enough gold to sell a bunch of scarabs/random stuff on the auction house, let alone run kingsmarch.
@@PP-mb2ky he was also running past basically everything, did you even watch the video?
@@kaide2759 I farmed over 60 Fledgelings this league and full cleared the heists for stacked decks. The gold is complete dogshit compared to even alch n go yellow maps.
@@vastonik dogshit yes, where did I argue that? I said the video isn't an accurate representation of the gold you get, because he was barely killing guards.
If not for having to assign the rogues before running it wouldnt be so bad but that was the worst part for me.
using 'v' key is much more efficient than clicking to open doors in heist
Which is why i do it and I recommended doing it in this very video. (except I have it rebound to F)
@@Empyriangaming not at the beginning. I saw u switched after but nevermind. U clicked, u deserved a comment!
wow i didnt know that divine trinket would go for 40-50 div lol , i have 2 in my stash from the league start , time to sell it i guess.
Please try wispes legion strategy,it will be fun to see, thank you
I've been saying heist needs streamlined for a long time, other content got a lot of it's more annoying parts cut down, heist still needs it.
Lose rogue leveling. I'm not even sure contracts have a place in the game any more. Make atlas nodes that reward reveals.
Here's hoping the heist characters being in kingsmarch is a subtle hint were going to see something done with heist. Perhaps rogues leading our shipments with a chance to find super heists or something, idk.
Rogue leveling is quite fast. Getting reveal is the problem
Sadly with no gold dropping in heist just makes it not really worthwhile in the grand scheme of things unless you get lucky.
gold does drop in heist (if you're killing guards), it doesnt drop in sanctum
@@CovertghostDoesnt really matter. The amount is so laughable youd have more gold running white maps
Yoooooo perfect timing!
ancient crane technique POG
Why not use the old ghostbuster tech of equipping Defiance of Destiny?
EDIT: and double enkindled quicksilvers? Or is that too fast?
Wow people really love to hate heist. I love how everybody just complains how all you do is open doors as if the entire rest of POE isn't largely comprised of extreme repetition. Kind of the point of Heist is the simple fact that opening doors is literally different than killing mobs. Also, if you aren't a long term player that has game knowledge that more or less trivializes the challenge of the entire game(especially softcore trade players) content like Heist can actually be engaging and fun. Just because you build a character that doesn't die ever doesn't mean Heist is what makes the game boring. What makes the game boring is you've run out of new things to do and learn, and at that point all of the content becomes a door simulator, just with less doors I guess.
12:25 wait what? I should stop hating Heist doors now?
So I just felt like doing some heist earlier this league, bought like 3d of deception and 3d of bp's , got 2 simplex amulet 😂
What is this rogue harbour camera angle? I have pretty much a diferent one.
Probably "Camera Rotation Effects" in the UI options.
I have it turned of, because it makes me dizzy when running up to Veritania and the camera follows around the tower. Also changes the camera angle in rogue harbour to not fit with the mini map for some reason.
Either you got super unlucky or I got crazy lucky. I've run probably half the amount you had and I've gotten 5 replica furs when they were around 20d, and two helical rings.
Not bad, not bad... if you don't take into account the time you'll spend buying blueprints.
I bought them in bulk from TFT, took a few minutes. I never take into account buying maps in these strats either, only farming time, so it’s consistent accross strats.
@@Empyriangaming You're right, I'm the one who didn't take TFT into account.
Thanks for the answer btw.
why not use more wings? isnt the bp cost the lion share of the cost?
It's more about being able to run more blue prints and thus seeing more rewards at the end, which means more helicat rins, more simplexes, etc. In the short term, revealing is better; in the long term, running them as is, is more profit. If you are poor without a lot to invest, it's better to reveal for sure.
If for some reason lots of people start doing heist, you would probably have to reveal, as there would not be enough blueprints to go around, but nobody does heist.
@@iamtheone91 you get rewards at the end of every wing o.O
because you have to do contracts for reveals
and revealed bps are 8x the cost
@@Covertghost wait, afaik you only need coins for reveals and you can buy them
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should really run 5% activate cloaks
i like heist i just dont have time to farm it and also maps for gold
NEGATIVE, Your testing failed because i got few simplex on 4. wings, and i run mostly Haist blueprints
Why people hate heist? Doors
Me to my girl:
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Eyy, first time I''ve seen someone else with league mechanic set as F.
How many times did you die?
i wish that u do full ones but not the big Tab
In heist league i fractured the ´best Heist map 200 times, fun times ;D
How is it possible for running 1 wing blueprints to be better than revealing all 4 wings when markers are 300k to a div?
because you have to run contracts to get reveals? you can do it but you're losing some time doing this
because you are capped by reveals not by markers, it's pretty simple
6:24 Idk why but divines are now 105c lmao
Ye youtube falls further and further behind livestreams. Just what happens after a month+ into the league.. too much content xd
Heist has always been one of my favorite gambas but the rogue leveling and having to share the hub with other players gets old and tiring very quickly.
Wouldnt gold be way higher if you killed mobs? perhaps some kind of autobomber or rf character that is close to being as fast as yours could actually be even better for this no?
Absolutely
nah, you almost don't get any gold in heist. Maybe 10k in hour or something
Let's zooming !!
2 fulcrum and 2 alberons is more than avg luck. I haven't seenn single alberons in last 2.5k wings
Avg luck in terms of currency is 90% determined by amulets of which I got 0. Doesn’t matter that I got 2x 30c Fulcrums.
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Yep, soontm
sanctums next?
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Heist is fun until you have to play a build specific to farming an atlas strat