In the books (if I remember correctly), it actually elaborated more on Gollum's character before and after he got the ring. He was not a good person and he actively used the ring to find out secrets about people in his community to cause chaos for them. Eventually he was disowned by his family and that's when he went into the mountains
They also didn't like him using the ring to cheat in hide and seek(I'm not kidding this is actually in the books) and they also all suspected him of murdering deagol his friend/cousin(Iirc) and they eventually even started openly calling him a murderer which was the last straw and made smeagol run to the mountains
The ring was working overtime on Smeagol to begin with I think. Like it had sat in that river thousands of years, pissed off as hell I'm sure, cuz there were a hundred orcs all over that river and none of them thought to look for the ring which they should know is somewhere within twenty feet of Isildur's corpse. SO the moment the ring got picked up, I bet it was thinking, "welp, better make sure I'm not being carried by a bitch, lets see which of these fuckers can fight." Deagol gave as good as he got at first, but Smeagol just wants-ed it more
Yeah most people resisted the ring. But others like Gollum and Isildur wanted the ring as a sort of prized possession. It’s sad because both their stories end in their quite dramatic death.
It's been a long time so someone correct me if I don't remember correctly, but when Sam had the ring in the books it showed him being like the best gardener in the Shire? Then he was like "I already am in the pocket you go" Sam Wise is so pure and wholesome ❤ Frodo wouldn't have made it far without Sam.
I remember the picture provided could be described as "Glory". With war or defense or conquering leader, such an image was natural and very effective. With gardening...it was a bit like using an AI trained on the wrong dataset and much more transparent
I always said this about Gollum! I remember seeing this as a kid in theaters and being so shocked when he killed the other guy immediately. Dude wasted no time going to the dark side 😂
There's actually a reason for that. The ring, which is alive and has its own mind, only possessed two people. Isuldur and Smeagol. And both times it instantly went full tilt into the possession and... look what happened. instantly with Isuldur and ends up in a river for the next thousand something years. Instant with Smeagol, and wallows in a fucking cave for another five hundred or what have you. The ring fucked up. The ring learned. Subtlety. Also the story is a bit different in the books, but meh.
Not to mention the fact that there is a theory saying Gollum actually killed Frodo's parents in a quest to find the ring, because (as i remember, memory can be faulty) it is described that they died in a boat after quite a bit of commotion, and as Gollum only remembers Shire and Baggins it is plausible he killed them
It important to remember that the ring was conscious and trying to get back to Sauron from the point it was lost, and so it attached to Smeagol way harder than it did with Bilbo or Frodo because it was trying to get its feet on he ground as far as reentering the world, it also didn't tempt the fellowship as hard because Baramir and most of the others only wanted to take it and use it as a weapon for their respective nations, meaning it would never get back to Mordor if it were carried by anyone other than Frodo. It's even said in the movie when Gollum loses it that "the ring decided it was time to find itself a new master" and this is why it intentionally allowed itself to pass from Bilbo to Frodo, letting it get way closer to Sauron in time for his plan than it would have been if it had stayed with Bilbo or Gollum or anyone else. (Except for Sam, he's just cool like that)
The books talk about how Gollum was booted from his great grandma’s household or something like that because he was sneaking around being invisible and biting people’s feet I think I recall. Also he went underground because he hated how the sun hurt his eyes. It was a more gradual decision than the movies show
I really wish they could have flashed out Denethor a bit more. I mean he was once a great man that was pretty much holding the frontline with his troops on his own for decades but was reduced to one of the worst fathers in all of cinema due to the corruption and all the loss and heartache he went through.
I saw a comment that explained that Smeagol was indeed, not a great person to begin with, but I would also like to add that the amount of time that he spends with the ring is leaps and bounds more than anyone else in the story. The corruption had much more of a chance to settle in with Smeagol than anybody else
1:14 while I didn’t see it in theaters, I’ve seen it in what I believe is just the regular edition on tv, and we do get some of Sméagol’s backstory, albeit very briefly. Seeing the ring alongside another hobbit and fighting him for it until he killed him and took it, with it then transitioning to show his slow transformation to Gollum
In the books (if I remember correctly), it actually elaborated more on Gollum's character before and after he got the ring. He was not a good person and he actively used the ring to find out secrets about people in his community to cause chaos for them. Eventually he was disowned by his family and that's when he went into the mountains
They also didn't like him using the ring to cheat in hide and seek(I'm not kidding this is actually in the books) and they also all suspected him of murdering deagol his friend/cousin(Iirc) and they eventually even started openly calling him a murderer which was the last straw and made smeagol run to the mountains
The ring was working overtime on Smeagol to begin with I think. Like it had sat in that river thousands of years, pissed off as hell I'm sure, cuz there were a hundred orcs all over that river and none of them thought to look for the ring which they should know is somewhere within twenty feet of Isildur's corpse. SO the moment the ring got picked up, I bet it was thinking, "welp, better make sure I'm not being carried by a bitch, lets see which of these fuckers can fight."
Deagol gave as good as he got at first, but Smeagol just wants-ed it more
Yeah most people resisted the ring. But others like Gollum and Isildur wanted the ring as a sort of prized possession. It’s sad because both their stories end in their quite dramatic death.
The one turkey sandwich to RULE THEM ALL
It's been a long time so someone correct me if I don't remember correctly, but when Sam had the ring in the books it showed him being like the best gardener in the Shire? Then he was like "I already am in the pocket you go" Sam Wise is so pure and wholesome ❤ Frodo wouldn't have made it far without Sam.
I remember the picture provided could be described as "Glory". With war or defense or conquering leader, such an image was natural and very effective. With gardening...it was a bit like using an AI trained on the wrong dataset and much more transparent
sam was THE guy. yknow that breaking bad meme that's like 'i had a guy and now i don't?' that's sam.
samwise the brave
I always said this about Gollum! I remember seeing this as a kid in theaters and being so shocked when he killed the other guy immediately. Dude wasted no time going to the dark side 😂
There's actually a reason for that. The ring, which is alive and has its own mind, only possessed two people. Isuldur and Smeagol. And both times it instantly went full tilt into the possession and... look what happened. instantly with Isuldur and ends up in a river for the next thousand something years. Instant with Smeagol, and wallows in a fucking cave for another five hundred or what have you.
The ring fucked up. The ring learned. Subtlety.
Also the story is a bit different in the books, but meh.
Not to mention the fact that there is a theory saying Gollum actually killed Frodo's parents in a quest to find the ring, because (as i remember, memory can be faulty) it is described that they died in a boat after quite a bit of commotion, and as Gollum only remembers Shire and Baggins it is plausible he killed them
It important to remember that the ring was conscious and trying to get back to Sauron from the point it was lost, and so it attached to Smeagol way harder than it did with Bilbo or Frodo because it was trying to get its feet on he ground as far as reentering the world, it also didn't tempt the fellowship as hard because Baramir and most of the others only wanted to take it and use it as a weapon for their respective nations, meaning it would never get back to Mordor if it were carried by anyone other than Frodo. It's even said in the movie when Gollum loses it that "the ring decided it was time to find itself a new master" and this is why it intentionally allowed itself to pass from Bilbo to Frodo, letting it get way closer to Sauron in time for his plan than it would have been if it had stayed with Bilbo or Gollum or anyone else. (Except for Sam, he's just cool like that)
The books talk about how Gollum was booted from his great grandma’s household or something like that because he was sneaking around being invisible and biting people’s feet I think I recall. Also he went underground because he hated how the sun hurt his eyes. It was a more gradual decision than the movies show
"His humanity, everything that makes him human"
So... nothing?
I really wish they could have flashed out Denethor a bit more. I mean he was once a great man that was pretty much holding the frontline with his troops on his own for decades but was reduced to one of the worst fathers in all of cinema due to the corruption and all the loss and heartache he went through.
"I don't know if this is in the theatrical cut -- I've never seen it" my god what a flex
I saw a comment that explained that Smeagol was indeed, not a great person to begin with, but I would also like to add that the amount of time that he spends with the ring is leaps and bounds more than anyone else in the story. The corruption had much more of a chance to settle in with Smeagol than anybody else
His precious tho
The books actually make a point that Smeagol was uniquely susceptible to the ring. He was already a sociopathic creep
1:14 while I didn’t see it in theaters, I’ve seen it in what I believe is just the regular edition on tv, and we do get some of Sméagol’s backstory, albeit very briefly. Seeing the ring alongside another hobbit and fighting him for it until he killed him and took it, with it then transitioning to show his slow transformation to Gollum
He is the plot
Smeagol isnt a human though?