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"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."
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So. Not a fan of Tolkien being sold out to Amazon?
We see what you did there
Dwarves being literally too dense for Sauron to mind control is a really funny concept
“Now you can get anything with these rings!”
“Like, gold?”
“I mean, yeah, but you know you could aim for more?”
“MORE GOLD?”
“I mean, you could aim for more than mere gold”
“THE PUREST, BESTEST, AWESOMEST KIND OF GOLD?”
“*sigh*… Hey humans, want some rings?”
@@phundrak This is one of the funniest comments that I have ever read on the Internet...
Kudos to you, mate on your creativity...
@@MsSuyash1995 And Kobalds to you too, mate! :-)
Me: wow CGP made a fastvideo about that Prime series that started today
Confused me: sees video release date
True Sameeee
The Prime series was probably the reason this video popped up just now in our recommendations.
time travel.
I was shocked as well
Oh geez I thought the same thing
So that's why elves have been reduced to cookie and toy making slaves. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
please explain? (if it's Harry Potter then please don't.)
All the elves work for Santa in his sweatshops now.
Wait, what?
well that's a picture a would like to forget (the one about the elves)!!!
OOOh nevermind I get it.
Oh shit! That explains why all the elves leave at the end! That always confused me, like what, Sauron is gone so why are they leaving?? And this explains why Elrond is so sad about leaving his daughter, because she will eventually lose her immortality after watching Aragorn die. Damn
I am not a master of the lore and could easily have a brain fart, but I don't think what happened is explained well enough to conclude the ring was destroyed.
But in the end I don't believe it matters in the slightest, as removing the rings influence from the world would have been enough. Not to say it couldn't have destroyed the ring, but even Gandalf admitted it was possible the ring would survive. Either way it would had 'sealed away' Sauron entirely or cripple him to the point he could be taken down behind the scenes just to have the ring placed out of reach of every mortal ever born.
This is due to the same symbiotic link people use to explain why he would vanish if the ring was destroyed:
Remove the rings influence from the world and Sauron himself can no longer influence the world.
As for the elves leaving?
They where going to be doing so anyway, they lost their power even with the rings.
Sauron lied to them about a great deal of things, so there is no reason to conclude he was honest about the benefits granted by the rings. The passage of time already saw the Elven nations diminishing long before the hobbits walked into Mordor. It isn't far fetched to believe that part of the way the rings achieved the illusion was to make it harder to see the decay occurring, putting your mind at ease that everything is alright...
Telling you to just ignore the outside world a little longer so Big S can ensure your power never ever fades.....
Erste Nachname The Elves went west across the sea to the continent of Aman, where Valinor, the kingdom of the Valar (see part 1 of this video) is located. Valinor is also known as the Undying Lands. Valinor was untouched by all the evil and corruption that happens in Middle-Earth, so it doesn't lose magic over time like Middle-Earth does.
They considered sealing the ring or putting it away, but Sauron is immortal. No matter how far you put the ring from him, eventually his jailers will die off, mountains will move and rivers dry, and then he gets the ring again. Anything besides destroying the ring itself would be foisting the problem off on the next generations, who would be even less equipped to defeat a fully powered Sauron.
Three Rings really granted those powers. Unless you suggest that Tolkien lied about it :o
+vaiyt
It has been a long while, and flicking through the pages of the council didn't give me a quick answer, but you might have a better idea of the discussion then I:
I found references to lacking the means to unmake the ring followed immediately by 'so we must take it to the fire,' but I am overlooking how they concluded throwing it into the mountain would destroy it.
I did find and correct one reading error however, which led to my curiosity on why everyone was certain that the ring would be destroyed. Back when Gandalf is talking to Bilbo around his fire he talks about dragons destroying lesser rings of power and mentions this one will need to go into the Cracks of Doom. I read the sentence " to destroy it, to put it beyond the grasp..." incorrectly, placing a 'or' in there before to put it beyond the grasp...' This changes the sentence completely, making Gandalf appear less sure then he was to the destruction.
Still not sure why they all where so certain it would work, probably explained more in the Silmarillion.
One video to explain it all...that has a nice ring to it.
Haaa... ring...
this deserved two thumbs up tbh
Mário Longhi
Meaning it deserves none?
And here I stand, thinking that clever youtube comments died long ago. +1!
TheUnchainedMind meaning it deserves making a second account just to upvote it twice.
"These books are the end of the age of magic and the beginning of the age of men."
One of major themes of the books which is completly absent in the movies. They don't even care to explain why all those elves are leaving. One simple line from the books woud be enough to explain it:
"Do you not see now wherefore your coming is to us as the footstep of Doom? For if you fail, then we are laid bare to the Enemy. Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlórien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and cave, slowly to forget and to be forgotten."
But it doesn't make sense, as they had all of that before they put on their elven rings of power
@@jaguillermol He says near the start.. "the amount of big, and awesome and magic decreases as a function of time here" aka if the rings had never been created, the elves would have slowly lost their magical powers and died out but with the creation of the 3 more powerful rings they're able to prevent that from happening.
(I think!)
@@Ollieisaprincess No because during all the second age they didn't wear the rings
@@jaguillermol I thought they didn't have to be worn, just kept within the elvish kingdoms?
@@Ollieisaprincess ah, maybe. But before then. Well, i dont like the story because it ends, it has no continuation. Better with stories that can continue. "Magic ends" what kind of fantasy is that?!
"The end of the age of magic"...I remember reading a passage, in a book I can't recall the title of..(sorry), where the author said "the destruction of the one ring caused magic and power to bleed out from Middle earth as blood from an arterial wound." Tolkien was a master at forging a world in which victory can only come at immense cost. And as i've grown older I've come to realize, that's the price of every conflict. Well done, professor. Its a bitter lesson.
It's also a hard choice for the elves - to let it happen slowly, or to let the One Ring be destroyed and end it all much more quickly as the price of Sauron's defeat. The price of conflict is definitely a heavy theme (one that shows itself in other ways as well) but it's also a running theme throughout the books that the diminishing of magic and wonder in the world is happening anyway. It's inevitable, and different characters recognize and comment on that fact a lot. The elven cities stand out partly because of the degree to which this has happened literally everywhere else while the elven lords have had their rings to keep their realms the way they want them.
And with Sauron returned, it was harder for them to even do that, because there was the risk that Sauron could see into their minds if they used their rings.
@@Eamil it sad to think that that it all fades to myth and legend and the boring modern world eventually popped up
I think it's worth noting that the bitterness of this lesson may have been at least partly inspired by Tolkein's experiences fighting in World War II.
@@rokr0001 world war I, you mean.
@@twistedtachyon5877 I knew it was one of the World Wars. I appreciate the correction.
Got to love how Sauron's instructions to forge the Rings were in the form of spherical coordinates.
Came to the comments just to find this!
There's an oopsie right at the beginning, which wouldn't be too big a deal but it affects the graphics for the rest of the video. The Nine and the Seven are not the "lesser rings". They were Great Rings. It wasn't just to control the Three that the One needed to be exceptionally powerful, but the Seven and the Nine as well. None of the "lesser rings" Gandalf mentioned to Frodo near the beginning of FotR ever entered into the story; the Elves evidently made a crapload of them as practice for making Great Rings and they turn up often enough that Gandalf has reason to believe they too are hazardous for mortals. But only slightly, and we never actually see one.
The one visual aspect that set Great Rings apart from lesser rings is that they had gems. "The Three, the Seven and the Nine had each their proper gem," said Gandalf to the Council of Elrond. The lesser rings did not, which is why Gandalf worried about the ring Bilbo found a _little_ bit, but not too much, since it was a lesser ring to all appearance. The One also had no gem, but how likely was it that Bilbo had found the One?
Pretty damn likely as it turned out. But the only way to tell the One from a lesser ring without actually putting it on and using it is to put it in a fire for a while to bring the inscription out. There would have been no such confusion for the Seven and the Nine, so the graphics showing them with no gems, as if they were lesser rings, are incorrect.
What made the Three unique is that, while Sauron was personally involved in making the Seven and the Nine, the Three were made by Celebrimbor on his own and Sauron never even touched them.
Another analogy that may work better than stat buffs is that Sauron's design for rings included a backdoor that allowed him to hack the minds of their users. The One Ring was his root access login.
Lytrigian If I recall correctly, weren't the Three made, and in secret, /because/ Celebrimbor suspected betrayal by Sauron? So I figured the One didn't have an effect on them. Right? You seem like someone that would be able to correct me there.
Now, in defense of the video, the rings were possibly left simple just to keep them the same for simplicity's sake and to distinguish them from the Three. *shrug* just my theory there.
Jeb Beck Yes, Celebrimbor mistrusted Sauron, but the "backdoor" was something inherent in the "technology" so to speak. Sauron never touched the Three, so unlike the others they had no corrupting influence on their wearers, but they were subject to the One like all the others. This is why their power failed when the One was destroyed.
Except in the video CGP *says* the Seven and the Nine were "lesser rings". That's incorrect.
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+Lytrigian is that why the elves could still wear the rings during the Great War against Sauron?
+Lytrigian Very nice job on the extending/correcting of the video! This is why I tend to read comments.
One Ring: I can make you a mighty gardener!
Hobbit: Meh
I laughed so hard at this one I don't know why
You know it is funny because when the one ring tried to persue sam to use it it showed vissions of a beautiful mordor
+Bart Bouwman Show it said instead "together we can turn mordor into the Amazonian florest!"
Ya, know Amazonian Volcanic hell is more terrifying than the actual realm of Mordor really is...
I know why. Because it' was amazing associative humor.
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Maybe I misunderstood the lore but I always thought the implication was that someone sufficiently powerful COULD actually use the ring to defeat Sauron but they would be corrupted by it and basically replace him. Always thought that was the issue for Galadriel and Gandalf rather than being tricked by it.
You are correct. The ring does strengthen the power of those who wield it. Sauramon knew of this power and craved it. He had begun his search for the ring even before the events of the hobbit. Galadriel toyed with the idea of using the ring to restore the glory of the elves. Gandalf knew he could use the ring to "complete his mission" but also knew that it would be self defeating in the end as he would effectively become the new Sauron.
It is correct that the Ring could be used by the most powerful people in Middle-Earth. That was indeed the thing Sauron thought they might try, and he feared that it would happen. However, in a direct confrontation with Sauron only Gandalf and possibly the other Istari would _stand a chance_ - so certainly not a waterproof plan. When Sauron would be defeated this way, the Ring would be fully claimed and for Sauron it would be as if the Ring was destroyed. The victor would become the new Dark Lord because of the corruption indeed.
Lesser powers, like Galadriel and Elrond, wouldn't stand a chance in a direct confrontation. But they had another option: to use the Ring to build their military might and overthrow Sauron that way. It wouldn't have the same effect for Sauron, but he wouldn't have his lands or armies anymore so would be defeated for a long time. For the one who wore it, it would indeed turn them into evil lords too.
It would be as Tolkien outlined: the One Ring would be used as a weapon against Sauron, but he would be imprisoned instead of destroyed, and Barad-Dur occupied instead of toppled. As we've seen with Númenor, keeping Sauron captive is not a good idea.
Actually, not entirely true. Tolkien stated in letter 246 - in the context of Gandalf challenging Sauron directly with the One Ring that I talked about in my previous post that "If Gandalf proved the victor, the result would have been for Sauron the same as the destruction of the Ring; for him it would have been destroyed, taken from him for ever."
***** I'm not sure if Galadriel counts as a lesser being though. I was under the impression that the power of Galadriel was in the vicinity of Fingolfins power, the Elf Lord that wounded Morgoth several times in their duel. The magical strength of the elves matches the strength of much greater beings all throughout the lore. Galadriel wielding the ring would be a terrible sight to behold.
Ohhhh, so THAT'S why all the elves fucked off to the East at the end of the story!
+Amelia Bee ya, they went to the undying lands, or Valinor, to be with the Valar until the end of days
only on special occasion and permission of the Valar can non-elves enter, such as Frodo and Bilbo as well as Gimli.
Valinor is a city in accessible to men or those not allowed onto the land due to magic.
So Heaven in short, but cooler.
+Not Visible Sam went to the Undying Lands as well.
+Justgirlythings No. After Frodo and Gandalf left with the elves, Sam went back to the Shire. Happy end. Oh wait not so
sakor88 Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for lightening me up though :D
+sakor88 After his wife was dead and he had had 13 children
For those curious about what happened to the other rings forged with Sauron's formula:
Three Elven Rings:
* Narya - Given by Celebrimbor to Gil-galad, who passed it on to his lieutenant Cirdan. Cirdan kept it after Gil-galad died, and in turn gave it to Gandalf when Cirdan recognized Gandalf as a wizard. Gandalf took it with him when he left Middle-Earth.
* Nenya - Galadriel's ring. She took it with her when she left Middle-Earth.
* Vilya - Also given to Gil-galad by Celebrimbor, later it was given to Elrond. Elrond took it with him when he left Middle-Earth.
Seven Dwarven Rings: By the time of the "Lord of the Rings", four of the rings were destroyed by dragon-fire and the other three recovered by Sauron. An envoy of Sauron's offered to return the surviving rings to Dain Ironfoot in exchange for the Dwarves' help in seeking the One Ring. Dain sent the messenger away without giving him a straight answer. Presumably they were lost/destroyed after the One Ring was destroyed.
Nine Rings of Men: Surprisingly, it does not appear they were actually with the Ringwraiths, at least not all the time. (This is where the frustrating vagueness comes into the picture). Most notably when their leader (the Witch-King) is killed, the ring that would've belonged to him is not mentioned at all! Regardless of whether Sauron had them or not, they would've been lost/destroyed after the One Ring was destroyed.
Wait, Gandalf had one of the rings??? Was he wearing it/using it the whole time?
@@ericeaton2386 Yes - the ring is usually supposed to be invisible but at the end of Return of the King, in the scene at the Grey Havens, you can see Gandalf wearing a ring with a ruby set in it (on his left hand) when he is talking. That ring is supposed to be Narya.
@@ericeaton2386 I don't think so. I seem to remember a part in the books where, either at the council of Elrond or when considering how to get through Galadriel's territory (I forget which) the wiser of those present expressed misgivings as to Galadriel's trustworthiness. The biggest source of which being that while Gandalf and Elrond put off their rings, lest they become subject to Sauron's influence, she kept wearing hers. And, indeed, she seemingly had much more difficulty resisting the temptation to take the ring from Frodo when her chance came and, once she did, she promptly declared she would "diminish" and began preparing to depart Middle Earth, arguably implying her tie to the rings was shattered having been forced to confront it directly.
So, Gandalf had one of the Three, and had used it previously, but was not doing so during the action of the Lord of the Rings.
@@twistedtachyon5877 I guess that would also explain why gandalf is wearing it at the end or return of the king, at that point it's just a pretty ring with sentimental value
@@megapixzel Also, Narya was forged by Celebrimbor without Sauron. As long as the One Ring is not in use Narya should be relatively safe. The 16 rings that went to men and dwarves were all forged with Sauron so they should be more corrupting. So, Gandalf probably used his ring sometimes but took it off when the One Ring became a threat again.
Clever rebranding of this video
I only recently realised that Tolkien took a McGuffin he wrote into The Hobbit to give Bilbo plot armour and MADE IT THE MOST IMPORTANT ARTIFACT IN HIS NEXT SERIES. Like The Hobbit was a bedtime story for his kids. It was made before the ring had any importance, so all of this stemmed out of the desire to make a one-off Deus Ex Machina into an even bigger one. That's why the invisibility seems a little out of place with the ring's other powers...
The One Ring CAN be used to overthrow Sauron. It was one of his primary fears. In fact, the idea that they would try to destroy it never even occurred to him until they were at the very cracks of doom.
may i ask how? I assume sauron could see the wearer just like the wraiths can since he is so connected to it which makes it pretty useless for anything other than low level sabotage and since only one person can wear it that sabotage wouldn't be very extensive so how could it overthrow him? besides someone just saying it could.
sakor88 thank you for clearing that up sir. you have respectfully refuted my point and for that you have both my praise and respect. have a good day
CryoShockX
The way the One Ring works is that Sauron had to pour almost all of his power into it in order for it to be able to do what it was created to do (control all the other rings and its bearer). It wouldn't work unless it had a huge amount of power. And even then, it backfired on him because the Elves caught his intention and time and managed to cloak themselves before he could assert control over them and it backfired on the Dwarves because it twisted their desire into something that Sauron couldn't manipulate to his benefit. It only worked properly on humans.
Basically, Sauron took a massive risk with the One Ring. If it worked like it was supposed to, it would give him control over a huge portion of Middle Earth. But it didn't work like it was supposed to. The Elves cloaked themselves and allied with the remaining human kingdoms that hadn't become corrupted yet and took the battle to Sauron, where he lost the One Ring to Isildur.
Without his ring, Sauron is almost powerless. All he can do is whisper dark temptations. He has no actual power, since he is little more then a shade of his former self. That's why he's so hellbent on getting it back. He needs that thing so desperately, because not only does it contain most of his power but it also contains his only chance at taking control over Middle Earth.
Without it, his magical abilities are extremely limited, in comparison.
sakor88
A bit late to the discussion. A bit hazy on the books(been a long time since I read them). But would not the One ring turn the new owner into what would be effectively Sauron, albeit with a different emm, name only?
sakor88
my impression of the books was that the one ring is so much, I dunno an "integral" part of Sauron that it would corrupt anyone else even if they did use it to usurp him. Even if Galadriel wielded the Ring, she would eventually become a sort of an demi Goddess and maybe eventually be corrupted to become a tyrant, sort of I guess!! the film also reflects this with a nice effect. Hope you get what I just babbled..lol ;D
This is the best comment section I've ever stumbled upon. I'm also a Tolkien enthusiast, so I find this really interesting. All you guys have great questions and answers. Now, back to reading the comments.
My thoughts exactly
I am on the same boat, merrily merrily merrily rowing down because life is but a dream.
"Tolkien built the largest..."
Games Workshop would like a word wit....
"and most consistent"
Oh... never mind
Well, he didn't use the word "both," now did he? :P
You think some shitty game company made a larger world than TOLKIEN? hahahahahahahaha Go play with them plastic toys.
@@mikyto7313 They factually did, though. It's not as meticulously designed and the quality of the work varies wildly, but Games Workshop have the father and sons Tolkien beat in sheer output when it comes to lore.
@@rationalroundhead6739 Quality over quantity. Even then plastic toys with its """"lore"""" (even laughable to use that term for toys) are not surpassing Tolkien.
I guess by that logic LEGO has also more lore than Tolkien.
Please go back to your overpriced toys...
Mikyto I don’t play the game, personally, I’m just interested in the lore. And, again, it factually isn’t laughable to call it lore, that’s what it definitionally is. There is no similar extended universe when it comes to Lego. I know you’re being facetious, but if you’re gonna be so arrogant about your dismissal you might at least want to check that the reasons for your dismissal are factually correct.
He made a number of mistakes
1) The three, the seven and the nine are GREAT rings, not lesser. There are many lesser rings, possibly hundreds as it is not stated.
Saruman was wearing a lesser ring in FOTR as he never learned how to make a greater.
2) A person CAN overthrow Sauron using the one. The problem is they become the new Dark Lord. Gandalf and Galadriel at the very least could do it. It is suggested anyone could do it, even Frodo if they turned their minds to domination and tried long and hard enough.
3) The Three Rings are a snare themselves for the elves. They don't really belong on Middle Earth anymore and almost all the big war trace back to them. The War over the SImerals, the War of the Last Alliance and the War of the Ring all wouldn't happen if the elves remained in Valinor as they were supposed to.
The elves are only in Middle Earth because they are power-hungry and narcissistic despite their rep. Galadriel came to Middle Earth for power as she wanted to start her own kingdom. In Valinor, they are on the bottom as the angelic beings their rank over there. In Middle Earth they are towards the top as they are the most magical beings left on it. Valinor is superior to Middle Earth except for one thing. The elves are on the bottom not the top there and they don't like that.
I mean....... you're not wrong but you're not supposed to say it out loud.
Not anyone can overthrow Sauron with the ring and certainly not an hobbit. Otherways Gollum could've done that. Even Galardiel would have problems doing it, as tolkien writes in one of his letters that the ring shows her illusions what she could become, but that in reality it wouldn't be so easy
Idk let tthem go back to Valinor and once man becomes stronger maybe let the elfs back in shame to keep Man and elfs apart.
That sounds like things a dwarf would say...
I'm in!
Bear in mind that the Elves originated in Middle Earth, far *far* in the East. I think it was Orome who found them (After Morgoth did) and convinced most of them to leave and come to Valinor. The Sindar Elves stayed behind because they didn't trust Orome due to Morgoth's prior dealings with them.
End of the age of magic and beginning of the age of man. DARK SOULS!
Praise the sun!
A; The game is about undeads
B;the circle is about light and dark and none of them are the synonyms of magic
c; however the association is right, dark souls learned from Lord of the King a lot
DARK SOULS!!! I love you
Haha I know. There is no game I have gone and replayed that many times over. Other then kingdom hearts maybe.
Yes indeed
While the Ring certainly was deceitful, it really would have provided power to someone wielding it.Gandalf and Galadriel state that they would become extraordinarily powerful with the Ring (and there is no reason to believe that the Ring wispered that into their ears).
More convicingly, Sauron himself was very worried that someone would claim the Ring and overthrow him. That's why he accelerated his invasion of the Free People's countries and failed to watch Mount Doom for a Ringbearer. In his mind, anyone sane would take the Ring and use it against him: why would they destroy such a powerful artifact?
+Robbert-Jan merk #Boromir
+TheShifter Boromir would have been a boss with that thing, but would probably go power mad pretty quick tho :/
+Robbert-Jan merk Those two were exceptions to the rule, being wise and powerful enough that they could feasibly challenge Sauron for ownership of the Ring (and then become another Sauron in the process, as Galadriel's little fireworks show demonstrated). Most others would just be tempted to believe they could master it, only to either confront Sauron too early and lose, or have the Ring abandon them at the most inconvenient time.
vaiyt
Then why does Sauron fear Aragorn using it?
hunsler1006 The way I see it, Sauron was thinking Aragorn was the likely candidate to be using the Ring after he revealed himself. As the real heir of Isildur (you know, the guy who cut Sauron's ring finger off) he would certainly give Sauron pause.
edit: what the fuck, how did I wrote elendil there am I tripping
"Well, almost everybody"
Tom Bombadil laughs maniacally
The one ring would just be a ring to him
Just who is Bombadil?
@Miles Brenner I know. What I am asking is how is he so immune to the One's power. Is he a Valar? Maiar? Between them? Above Valar? Below Maiar?
@@akshatvats7992 there is a theory the great spider unglouat is a spontaneous creation the the dark chaotic energy and there fore not a creation of the valor. This spider becomes so powerful it almost consumed Morgoth himself. Tom Bombadili is possible on the other end the spectrum putting between a Miair and Valar.
@@evanjohnson1299 That makes sense. Thanks
Are you misleading us to think this is brand new content?! Well done.
I think the algorithm just smiled kindly on him today, what with the new LOTR series out.
@@Nyctomancer Not just by accident I recon. I believe a lot of people went to UA-cam to find out more about the rings, found this video, liked it and voilá: it pops up in our recommendations.
This videos was named "The one ring explained". It was renamed the day of the series premiere. It was not just the sweet kiss of the algorithm.
Yeah I just saw this
0:28
Forge the ring !
*deploys full 3D Torus formula*
2:11
That is also good:
...dwarves who loved treasure...
*image of dwarf with Bitcoin*
Magic internet money!
Omg it's the formula for a torus? Hilarious!
Well, rings are tori.
Very satisfying indeed ! I just wished he added used 2*r instead of r for the z coordinate to flatten the cross section of the ring and get that "finger ring" shape instead of a donut shape with a circular cross section.
Slight error in terms of being able to wield the Ring, someone other than Sauron could indeed have used it, even to defeat Sauron himself as Tolkien writes in letter 246,
"One can imagine the scene in which Gandalf, say, was placed in such a position. It would be a delicate balance. On one side the true allegiance of the Ring to Sauron; on the other superior strength because Sauron was not actually in possession, and perhaps also because he was weakened by long corruption and expenditure of will in dominating inferiors. If Gandalf proved the victor, the result would have been for Sauron the same as the destruction of the Ring; for him it would have been destroyed, taken from him for ever. But the Ring and all its works would have endoured. It would have been the master in the end."
Here Tolkien is basically implying that, yes, Gandalf could have taken up the Ring and could have gone so far as to destroy Sauron - but would then have stood in his place as another Dark Lord. Another relevant Tolkien quotation on the matter of Gandalf as the Lord of the Rings:
"Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been far worse than Sauron. He would have remained 'righteous', but self-righteous. He would have continued to rule and order things for 'good', and the benefit of his subjects according to his wisdom (which was and would have remained great)."
And
"Thus while Sauron multiplied evil, he left "good" clearly distinguishable from it. Gandalf would have made good detestable and seem evil."
So in the end, while Sauron could be defeated by another great being with the Ring (lesser peoples would of course be consumed by it), the inherent Evil within it would be victorious nonetheless, only with a new host.
sakor88 Sauron was convinced that all would succumb to an inherent will for power, but I'm not sure about Gandalf, any source on that?
sakor88 Even then, I'm not sure that Aragorn could have effectively used it against Sauron, as he was but a man. Sauron believing him to have the Ring merely lured him forth as he could reclaim it - not in fear of defeat. If you get some sources I'd be happily proven wrong (it's an interesting theory) but I'm not 100% sure of it at the moment.
Yes, I think Aragorn could have attempted to wield the Ring, like his ancestor Isildur, but ultimately would have fallen into shadow. Only Gandalf could have truly become the new Lord of the Rings, I believe, though Aragorn could indeed have posed a threat it would seem, reading this new evidence.
However, being a mortal Aragorn would have eventually fallen into the Unseen realm, to become a wraith if I am not mistaken, as that is the power of the Ring if used constantly.
sakor88 I wouldn't be sure about that - only a truly powerful being could ultimately command the Ring, otherwise it will worm its way back to its master (such as with Isildur) or debilitate the user in some other manner. I'm not sure if any mortal could have truly used the Ring and come out on top, though they could indeed try.
+Milo Garner Gandalf+OneRing=Illuminati.. lol i'm conCERNed
also it gives u unlimited executions, fire arrows, and makes stealth kills and slows time.
And infinite brand power
Jake Bishop I see you also play Middle Earth: Shadows of Mordor.😃
Jake Bishop It now let's you make clones of yourself
It replenishes your supply of Cheerios if you run out
LOVE this video, just one note: Sauron actually feared that someone with a strong enough will, such as Gandalf or even Aragorn would bend the ring’s power to them and replace him as a new dark lord, so it corrupts the wearer with Sauron’s evil because in making it he imbued himself into it, forging his bond with it, but someone strong enough could master it and use its power against him, possibly even using it to gain control of Sauron’s own minions.
The middle earth games in a nutshell
So then there was actually SOME truth to Boromir wanting to use the ring against the enemy. Even if Boromir himself was not powerful enough to wield the ring (which, of course he wouldn't actually know unless he tried to), it's not entirely false to say that they COULD have used the ring against the enemy - it's not all lies. The downside is that they would then be corrupted and turned into another Sauron or worse.
@@PeterDB90 yes exactly so. Maybe not the best for men but if gandalf got it he could most probably beat sauron... It's just he would replace him and be far more terrible.
@@apimpnamedslickback5936 but how could Gandalf be more terrible than Sauron? Sure he'll be corrupted, but i feel like worst version of Gandalf can never be worse than the worst version of Sauron, no?
@@vario6492 worse than Sauron in the Third Age perhaps. Gandalf the White had power and brilliance likely similar to Sauron before he lost his physical body, and he’d be amped by the power of the Ring.
MY BRAIN IS HUNGRY FOR MORE LOTR LORE!!!
Ultranist Go read Silmarillian and the(I think it's up to 12) Histories of Middle Earth.
+Ultranist And "Children of Hurin" (tragic but good, somewhere between the Sil and LotR in writing style/complexity). Oh, and "Tales From the Perilous Realm" is something else by Tolkien set perhaps in a very, very early version of Middle Earth...? Not really sure about that one, the stories are interesting anyway.
Erulasse Aranel Not much to do with middle earth(has an "easter egg" talking about the blessed realm) but I really like Tolkien's 'Roverandom" it is just adorable, and I wish I had been able to read it when I was a child.
LinusSexTips I liked only cos of your name.
just go watch men of the west he has good videos about it
for some reason i always thought that the one ring amplifies one's natural talent. and that's why it turned hobbits invisible. (since hobbits are good at hiding)
It would have been good to see someone else wear it instead of just that boring, miserable old sod Frodo.
***** Although not canon, you can see Celebrimbor wearing it shortly in Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor.
tyler Lowery Oh boy, where can I get me some invisible gardeners?
tyler Lowery Immortality is kind of the opposite of amplifying men's talents. Men are special BECAUSE they die. It's called the Gift of Men and it entitles them to escape the physical world and go beyond in death. No other race gets this special right
***** >old sod Frodo
You mean Bilbo, right?
One thing on the corruptibility of Men: the time it takes to corrupt a man is really variable. We see Boromir on one end of the spectrum - a powerful and proud man desperate for the ability to save his kingdom only held out for a few weeks being in close proximity to the Ring. Aragorn, however, was much less affected. And Isildur possessed the ring for something like 2-3 years with almost no ill effects - in fact, when he was killed, he was actually traveling to give the Ring to Elrond for safekeeping, after realizing that he wasn't able to use it or keep it safely.
3:03 He killed his best friend immediately for the ring, the reason he was corrupted so fast is because as Tolkien said somewhere (I don’t feel like getting the quote) Gollum had greed and darkness in his heart. I imagine hobbits worked a lot more then, and his aunt didn’t treat him nicely either (though that may be because he became the creature Gollum and she may have treated him nicely before)
I love this universe so much. Its amazing how one man was able to create it all.
Well when it's all about WWI and WWII he had a lot of material to disguise as elves and dwarves and orcs, etc.
Marcara081 Yeah except... it's not. Tolkien made that very clear. There is nothing wrong with drawing parallels, and the world wars clearly had influence, but he didn't take war material and try to disguise it as something else. It just became a part of who he was, so it couldn't help but influence the writing.
shivore However, I have heard that Tolkien based Mordor and surrounding lands on the more industrialized, gloomy north of England, while he based the Shire on the English West Midlands. I don't know if that's true, but it makes sense.
This universe we are living here is already interesting than that fake tolkein universe everyone's crazy about. You guys have no idea.
It's not quite true standing, the industrialization of evil is an important theme in all of tolkien's works but he didn't base mordor on anything in his own world, in fact middle earth is supposed to be a prehistoric version of our own world so that doesn't work
So is that why the elves leave at the end of the Return of the King?
***** Do you know were they went exactly? Another continent? I know Gandalf went with them too but wasn't he technically done with his "job" in middle-earth after the ring was destroyed? Lol sorry for the questions. If you don't know them it's cool.
AL3XOWNZ To the "Undying lands" in the west, where they originally lived before coming to Middle-Earth. As for the question about Gandalf, I'm not sure really.
***** Frodo being a subspecies of humanity doesn't he die even going to the new lands?
***** Yes but humans aren't supposed to live forever, they have the "gift" and when they die they move on to other places past middle earth and the undying lands
***** well i know the author can do whatever he/she wants but if you write a fictitious world you have to follow the rules of that world or lose all credibility
Regarding all the 'failures' Sauron had, unless the ring is destroyed, no matter how many times he would lose or be defeated, he would've won eventually because his biggest strength is patience and his near-immortality. It took many unlikely events just to get the ring to mount doom, and it is hinted the elves never expected Frodo to destroy the ring himself, but just to get the ring there and hope Fate will bring the ring into the fires.
I kinda wish he’d make another LOTR video. These are so captivating
Ah, this explains why the Elves were such BAD ASS ULTIMATE WARRIORS, DEFEATING ARMIES OF BALROGS in the past, and later can only do flashy stunts to kill ONE Oliphaunt.
IIRC there was one time when all five or seven attacked one elven city.
where are you guys getting this from the books? i would really like to know about 5 balrogs and elfs battling them
Dude.. Fingolfin... the guy literally fought one on one with the most powerful Vala of all time!
Fëanor fought all the Balrogs. At once. By himself. None of them actually landed a killing blow either, he died of his wounds.
Arkenn Stark To be fair, Morgoth was pretty drained because he couldn’t morph shapes after the tree’s got destroyed, and because he permanently decreased his power by dumping tons of it into the earth to turn everything really shitty.
can we get a LOTR trivia contest between CGP Grey and Stephen Colbert?
CGP Grey already lost.
The Lesser Rings were essays in the craft. The Rings of Power were the Nine, Seven, and Three given to Men, Dwarves, and Elves respectively. The Lesser Rings were referred to by Gandalf as "mere trifles".
IF he got this simple thing wrong, Colbert would rip him apart on things from The Hobbit and TLotR, not even tapping into the Silmarillion, Lost Tales, and others works in the universe.
CGP Grey Is that why Colbert got to be in the second Hobbit movie? #BestPartOfThoseStupidMovies
James M Colbert got Smaug as a guest on the Colbert Report. Can't beat that.
Thor214 Grey gets his inside information from Brady the Dwarven King.
Can I get in on this competition I'm relatively sure I could beat grey and Colbert would be a good match, I'm not just boasting I know these books inside and out :)
Ready for this to be recommended to everyone after 7 years.
I need more LotR videos!!!
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2:42
"The ring tempts everyone"
shows picture of Tom Bombadill
"Well, almost anyone"
I like this xD
OOOOHHHH. So THATS why they all get on boats and leave at the end. I never really got that. Where did they go and why?
They returned to the Undying Lands, the home of the Valar where magic still flourished.
ShallowShi Oh neat! Thanks!
They went to Valionr, only one small Group of Elves stayed behind, the people of Thranduil
well... eventually even they leave for Valinor.
Well, if I remember correctly it goes a bit like this.
In the beginning the world was created flat, and both gods and men lived there, the gods in the west over the sea, man in the east.
The light came from two huge trees, a silver one and a gold one, all kinds of weird shit.
Basically as the story goes on, things become less vague and magical, and more "real" , the time of magic is ending.
Now the west is basically heaven, it's the magical area, and the east is basically just normal earth with earth rules etc. So the further west you go, the further you move away from reality.
Now men are forbidden from going west.
Somewhere in the middle was numenor, where the ancestors of Aragorn live, and Sauron basically convinces them that the gods are a bunch of assholes and that they should just go west. Now it's important to note that Sauron is there because he tried to take over middle earth and the Numenoreans had to come and go "no, bad Sauron, you come with us".
The men of Numenor, being dumbasses, go "yeah, he's totally right, FUCK those guys, we should go west!".
So they do, this pisses off the gods, and atlantis happens. Numenor gets send to the bottom of the ocean and here is where it gets interesting.
The gods reshape the world into a sphere. So that if you go west, you simply end up in the east. And only the elves are able to navigate "the straight way".
So as far as I can tell, when the elven boats go into the west, they don't just "sail west", they are actually slowly phasing away from our 3 dimensions, sailing the straight way into what is basically heaven.
So it's not a movement in 3 dimension, they move away from it, away from earth, and rigid physics, and non magic into a more "supernatural" dimension.
Sauron, like Melkor and Saruman can't be "destroyed" for good. They simply exit the symphony they helped shape unknowingly. They are celestial being immortal beyond time and matter.
Correct!
I thought that Sauron could be destroyed because he had put himself into the ring and then ring was something that could be destroyed taking him with it. So basically while trying to obtain more power he also made himself vulnerable classic villain-style. I could be wrong though.
The Ainur are only playing the part that they have given themselves when playing the music. They are beyond time. The world they created will one day end and they will all be back in the void, where Melkor/Morgoth was cast. It's not clear what happens then, however.
From what I remember they can be destroyed, but it is not easy and cannot be done on middle earth. It involves the void.
TheJohnmusk
Well, Melkor was cast into the void by the Valar at the end of the First Age. It's been awhile since I've read anything other than LotR (years since I've read the Silm, and longer for everything else), but I think that at the end of all things (still far distant) then there would be one more great battle that Melkor, Sauron, et al. would come back for. But I'm not sure how fleshed out this concept was (or even if I am remembering it correctly).
Loving this strategy of changing titles to take advantage of trends
The lesser rings are actually separate from the 20 rings of power. We don't know how many there were or what happened to them. An important distinction, as it explains why Gandalf didn't immediately know that Bilbo had the one (the lesser rings are unadorned, the 9, 7, and 3 all have jewels). Also, the one ring actually could give someone with sufficient strength the ability to over-throw Sauron. It's part of the reason he was so desperate to reclaim it.
After all, Tolkien is telling a pre-historic history in a Romantic way.
That's why it's so damn good.
What does this mean?
@@VoidTakeMe i think what he meant is that TLOTR leads to the age of man and the end of magic, such as the world as we live in
@@VoidTakeMe Tolkien original wrote the lotr as a fictional prehistory, in his original drafts an Anglo Saxon discovers Aman, and is sent back to Anglo Saxon Britain or "middle earth" with the lotr, Hobbit and silmarillion
This is so cool! As a mere casual Tolkein fan, I am loving this series, Grey. It really highlights Tolkein's brilliance. The illustrations are impeccable too.
What I think is the most amazing is that when people asked Tolkein questions, he would respond to fill in gaps that his books didn't cover, just mind blown.
PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS IN THUS SERIES I NEED IT
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Should do a part 3 talking about Tom Bombadil: the greatest character who never was. (In the movies at least).
Thank god he is not in the movies
who is he?
@Alex, Bombadil was kind of a goofy character who more or less had omnipotent power in a small area of the forest and was pretty much immortal. He was devoted to his wife, to the natural order in his little demense, and otherwise very absent minded. He is immune to the power of the one ring. But, Tom isn't a good guardian for the ring, according to Gandalf -- he (Tom) simply wouldn't understand how important it was to keep the ring hidden and it would therefore be able to eventually find a way to escape to Sauron.
@@rcb3921 she he is not a Ainur? what is he doing , what is his role? Did he have any impacts during first,second and third ages? and even before , did he had any interaction with morgoth , someone said Bombadil and Ungoliant were just primordial beings
There is a theory that Mr. T. Bombadil is Eru Aluvitar (god of all creation) in physical form. Mainly from what his wife says, he's immune to the ring (no other creature is 100% immune to the ring it effects EVERYONE in some way except Tom.), and he's been around since day 1.
I LOVE YOU FOR THESE VIDEOS. The movies make so much sense now. It's all so vaguely explained. More please
UniversalPotentate omg if you wanna know so bad read the books (the backstory one of wich's name I cannot remember")
There is something called Extended Edition, which is way better and more in depth than the normal version.
willl676 Nothing wrong with the extended cut but they still don't give much insight in any of the magical rings and the way they work..
I love that this is reappearing in peoples recommendeds now
"The Rings of Power"
I thought he made a new video.
In Return of The King, in that little chunk where Sam is the ring bearer, he definitely has enhanced hearing too. There's a specific part where he hears the orcs coming and eavesdrops on them from a pretty significant distance
Yes he did! Nice memory!
This just highlights how great a writer J.R.R Tolkien was. How he managed to bring the story around full circle is impressive to put it modestly. And this also highlights how he was way ahead of his time, no wonder the LOTR books (and now films) have been such a massive success.
The last point is interesting. The defeat of Sauron is the defeat of the Elves, and the rise of Men in their place. So the books document the demise of our world's earlier stage before it turned into (pre-)history as we know it.
it must've been really hard for fans to compile and process all of Tolkien's work about the world he built. Dozens and dozens of cabinets filled with maps and notes, the books themselves, interviews etc.
Thus Tolkien fans turned into Tolkien scholars and regular scholars into Tolkien fans. Also his son Christopher Tolkien dedicated his life to this task and there’s a whole society (owned by J.R.R. Tolkien‘s descendants) managing his heritage.
As a fan you learn to cope with the fact that there is much conflicting lore and I’m really grateful for Wikis like tolkiengateway that point me to things I haven’t read, yet. In the end, reading is enjoying :)
_"The elves' base level stats allowed them to resist and take off their rings just in time."_
*Awesome.*
10pts for reminding me what the parametric equation for a torus is.
POV: you thought CGP time travelled
I really like it when there's vagueness and unanswered mysteries in a fictional world. Cuz that lack of stuff actually makes it more believable.
that's why men invented transistor and rockets
They wanted to show up the stupid, arrogant elves.
dumb elves
They aren't dumb, they're just assholes
Fucking assholes
Jack Archer lol
Very cool, I wasn't aware that the Elves were kind of reluctant to destroy the one ring. If the time of hot-blooded elves wasn't kind of over already this would have made for very interesting dynamics in the books.
Sméagol didn’t hold out well. He killed his life long best friend a couple minutes after finding it
If only Amazon watched this video before writing the dog water they produced
Love those XCOM references.
My soldier got mind controlled ? I hate it XD
Was looking for this comment!
Weird, for all the time I spent reading these books as a kid and as sad as I was when all the elves started to up and leave, I never connected it as the end of the magic age
Well, it is more connected with the Elves yearning for Valinor.
Thor214
But that's because the elves recognise the coming age of men, due to the end of magic in middle earth.
smalltime0 The Noldor in M-e were there largely because of the Kinslaying at Aqualonde.
"Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the Valar will fence Valinor against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the mountains. On the House of Fëanor the wrath of the Valar lieth from the West unto the uttermost East, and upon all that will follow them it shall be laid also. Their Oath shall drive them, and yet betray them, and ever snatch away the very treasures that they have sworn to pursue. To evil end shall all things turn that they begin well; and by treason of kin unto kin, and the fear of treason, shall this come to pass. The Dispossessed shall they be for ever. ..."
they were later pardoned (mostly), but many remained for a number of years.
Thor214 it is connected with what Galadriel calls 'the long defeat'; as the Dominion of Men arrives Elves will fade and disappear even if Sauron loses.
Because of Morgoth's very poisoning of the world, Elves can no longer live in Middle Earth outside of places like Rivendell or Lothlorien, unless they become rustic like Legolas' subjects and end up in the forests and caves.
The only option for many Elves is to sail west to Valinor, the only untainted land.
smalltime0 couldnt be more wrong. Magic was not leaving middle earth. it never was leaving. however the people that could wield were.
7 years later, this gets recommended due to the Amazon show.
"All shall love me and despair"
Ah good quotes ...
here is a challenge explain tom bombadill
…I still can't figure it out…
Tom Bombadil is the spirit of Middle Earth itself, if I recall correctly. He would not be tempted by the ring, but he would be so unphased by it, he might even forget where he left it one day, and it could end up being picked up by anyone
I like the hypothesis that Bombadil is the second most evil entity in Middle-Earth, with Sauron being the first. Think a Lovecraftian sort of evil god. Under this notion, Bombadil is a devious ruler of dark nature spirits that Gandalf and the elves would ultimately leave behind as a ticking time bomb that humans would have to face alone (because Gandalf and his fellow wizards were not charged with doing anything about Bombadil, only Sauron). All the anecdotes about Bombadil from Gandalf are basically lies, told just to prevent the ring ending up in Bombadil's hands, but also to avoid anyone worrying about the threat of Bombadil, which would thereby jeopardize Gandalf's priority of defeating Sauron.
It doesn't actually make complete sense, but it is an entertaining bit of speculation.
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LOTR Wikia is so disreputable and inaccurate. Do not base your knowledge on Tolkien, LOTR, and Middle-earth on that site. Rather, read the books or use Tolkien Gateway. Tolkien Gateway is more informative and accurate.
He's a primal spirit of nature, a being of no ambition other than to live, to love, and to be feel joy. It's why the ring holds 0 power over him, it has no effect on him at all, the only entity which can make that claim.
I have to admit even as a self titled LotR Lore Nut , you offer great insights in such simplified and understandable manners that I feel like I'm re-learning it all again. Great job man , I wish I could donate to a dedicated channel of just LotR Lore :)
7 years?
Wow. The ending there leaves me a little depressed. I never knew all the rings were connected and when Frodo destroyed that 1 ring it would cause a chain reaction that would end all magic.
The ending of Elder Days (time before the dominion of Men and the dwindling of the Elves and other races) is major theme of the books.
Godunow100 what happens to Gandalf? and the dwarfs....and the rest of the people like does that mean they leave or ...die ? ;_;
TheMsLollidella Gandalf goes west with Frodo,Gimli,Legolas and all the elves.The humans rule middle earth,and the other races basically die off.
Venom Z ohhhh I see aw
I do think ur forgetting the hobbits a little bit. Yes, they do not go with the ship to the west but basically ur saying they die out.
Please do more of these LOTR videos!! I've been watching them everyday for i don't know how long now, and i just want more!
Why would you keep watching these over and over again?
Don't get me wrong they're not bad but they're not entirely correct either. Many things are lost in their abbreviated nature and some things are just slightly wrong...
You should read the books, or listen to the to,Kiel professor podcast there's so much more information out there!
+Jonne Steen Redeker hey which podcast are you referring too? I tried looking it up, but no success. I really want to get into Lord of the rings! going to try and ready them soon!
It's literally called "the Tolkien professor" it's done by a man named Professor Corey Olsen a midievalist and Tolkien scholar.
You can always contact me with any questions as well, I love discussing Tolkien.
+sqeezie st
Check out CivilizationEx for more detailed LoTR videos and some other stuff like Game of Thrones and Star Wars.
So, destroying the Ring only works for Men? Por Elves. What happens to Wizards? Is this good for Dwarves? What happens to the Orcs? And the Uruk-Hai? What about the Dragons and Great Eagles?
...Things.
+Nicolás Zan you don't want to go into it....
+Nicolás Zan Wizards are Maiar spirits (the lesser version of the beings that helped create the world). Gandalf leaves Middle-Earth, but it is unclear whether Radagast does, Saruman was killed and the blue wizards no one knows anything about.
Dwarves are said to diminish as well, not necessarily because the age of magic ends, but more because they just don't have a place in grand scheme of the world and their race has been on a decline for ages, accelerated by their wars with the Orcs and Dragons. Side note, the Dwarves were made against the wishes of God and weren't planned to be in the world.
The Orcs are hunted down and exterminated, Aragorn spends the rest of his life in glorious genocide leading the armies of Gondor around the world to annihilate every Orc and Orc-kin he can find and his people continue that legacy.
Dragons were almost dead, Smaug appeared to be one of the last if not the last of the great Dragons and the Dwarves continually fight to kill the Cold Drakes, the lesser versions of Dragons.
The Great Eagles didn't die immediately but like anything magical they are implied to have gone away in time.
Middle-Earth is supposed to be a pre-history version of our world, so anything that doesn't exist in our world died out at some point after LOTR as the age of magic ended.
+Nicolás Zan The Orcs get pretty upset and flee battle, presumably buggering of to caves to trouble the world less and less now that there's no mind controlling dark lord encouraging them to fight in wars they tend to lose.
It works out for Dwarves initially because Sauron's now leaderless armies stop attacking them, but eventually they go the way of the elves (slow breeders, progressively less lofty kingdoms). Saurman is dead, Radagast maybe also killed by Saruman, Gandalf goes on vacation in the undying lands.
Eagles are still around today silly, and of course Dragons troubled Europe well into recorded history. Middle Earth is our Earth after all (Tolkien asks nicely that you don't think to hard about the geography.)
So THAT's how dinosaurs went extinct! They were magical creatures!
How has YT never shown me this channel in my feed???? Until today!
You have to give Tolkien so much credit for the lore and world building he accomplished in his stories. In the hands of a lesser writer the ring of power would simply be a simple Macguffin.
I think I read somewhere that the one ring gives power according to your inherent power, so if Gandalf, Saruman or one of the powerful elves they would get super buffed.
Yes, that is right. But it is still a liar. With most beings the Ring has enough power all on its own to force them to do something insanely stupid and put the ring back in the hands of Sauron (like Frodo putting the Ring on in the very Cracks of Doom). But for stronger willed beings, the ring gives them just enough power for them to THINK that they have broken it to their will. Then it twists their mind until they decide to use their newfound power to Sauron on, then they go Mordor, the ring deserts them, and Sauron takes back his own.
It is worth noting that, while Gandalf and Galadriel worry that they would become a new Sauron would they take up the Ring, this is false. They could never master it and it would betray them. Even their wisdom does not protect them fully from the lies of the Ring.
+ingenparks There is some evidence for this point of view, but I think someone really powerful like Galadriel, Elrond, or Gandalf could have used it to overthrow Sauron....only as they say they would have become like him and would have been corrupted by the ring...Sauron seems to fear this and the Wise seem to think they can do it with Galadriel being the best example. Remember Sauron is not that much greater than many other characters we see, Luthien defeats him in the first age, and he suffers several defeats in the 2nd, so while more powerful than everyone else he isn't invincible.
Maybe. Tolkein wasn't very specific. Perhaps I spoke with excessive certainty.
part 3, Why did Sauron want the one ring. he already controlled the ring wraiths and armies of of goblins, orcs, uraks and even sauruman. Was the one ring ring the only thing that could bring him back into physical form? What powers would he gain on receiving the ring? His ability to control the other rings (mind attack) would be useless as no-one apart from the ring wraiths have the rings on, and he already control them without the ring.
From what I recall of the story: Basically.
He would gain his body back, basically. As others have mentioned in other comments, Sauron put part of his essence into his ring, that is why it has a will and wishes to return to Sauron, it's literally a part of him. That's the reason why he cannot be killed by normal means, only the destruction of said ring would do the job. So, he wants the ring back cause he's incomplete, and for all the "Dark Lord that subjugates the world" fanfare he only took Mordor in his eye form. The attack on Gondor was impressive, but it's didn't exactly require an alliance of man, elf and dwarf to defeat, and I'm pretty sure the ghosts wouldn't be able to do shit if Sauron was there in his full OP mode.
Elrond is using a ring to preserve Rivendell an Galadriel is using one for Lothlórien.
zzkill1 If I recall the first encounter frodo had with the wraiths was when they were still really weak because sauron himself was weak at that time.
The One Ring would allow Sauron to control even the Three Elven Rings again. I'm sure the bearers of the Three Rings would take them off again (Galadriel, Elrond, and Gandalf) at the cost of losing whatever strength and powers the rings gave them, but having Sauron's enemies weakened is still a plus for Sauron. Having it back would allow Sauron to recuperate and focus a lot of lost strength.
Contrary to what zzkill1 said, during the Lord of the Rings, Sauron's physical form had already begun to return albeit not at full strength. The One Ring is not required for Sauron to regain his physical body. The idea that he needs the ring to have his body is just an idea from the movies.
Another important thing to note, Sauron desperately wants the One Ring because not only is it his greatest achievement, the ring is also his greatest Achilles heal. Sauron can be physically destroyed, but he can return again as he has done before. If the One Ring is destroyed, it is virtually a permanent death to Sauron.
Hope this helps!
P.S. If you haven't read the books, just try and dive into them. They're wonderful.
the council of elrond actually considered to throw the ring at sea to be lost forever and in my opinion would be the most logical way because the two forces would be in stalemate for a long time.
"I can make you a MIGHTY GARDENER" ...me: "He'll yeah!Show me your power!"
It’s not necessarily a lie that you could use the Ring to overthrow Sauron and take over the world. The Ring grants power in proportion to the power of its wielder, so it is conceivable that someone like Gandalf could take over the world with it, as he _with_ the Ring would be greater than Sauron _without_ it. But it would invariably corrupt him, even if he started with the best of intentions.
Thumbs up for Tom Bombadil at 2:43.
Yay I know the backstory of LOTR now!
Now when my family watches The Lord of the Rings I can know what's going on.
Vizthex It's all in book called The Silmarillian By JRR and a few other book by his son.
You really need to read the books!
just great videos these two! Love how it's put together, to the point and how you don't droll enjoying the sound of your voice. Thanks!!!
Hope to see more Lords of the RIngs videos!
I would really love to watch you explain the Dark Souls and Bloodborne story lines. Just as intriguing as LOTR but covered in so much mystery.
+Theaches not to mention the blood of the innocent
The problem is that DS story is interpretative and theres no oficial story, so its based on what you passes through (sorry my english)
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these games have no story at all i don't know what you're talking about.
They have an immense and incredibly complex story. Literally everything you see in the game tells a little piece of the lore behind the ideas the games want to bring to you.
I don't think invisibility is an "automatic" power of the ring. I always tought its power was to "make real what you desire most".
Isildur wanted power to rule. The ring gave him that, before betraying him.
As for the hobbits, their main goal in life is to be happy and not disturbed. They don't like men and other races, they keep to their own. So invisibility is the ultimate Hobbit wish, and that's why Bilbo and Frodo have that power.
But Isildur used its invisibility as well. It wasn't just the Hobbits. Not to mention all four Hobbits who wore it turned invisible.
Read the book before jumping to conclution.
Actually the Ring transfers the wearer to the wraith world, which is a world of spirits-the Ring is a wraith itself of Sauron.
The invisibility works on all non-immortals (Gandalf and the Elves )as they do not exist in both worlds.
Isildur uses The Ring to become invisible though.
Shattered Anvil read above comments
Oooh! Thank you so much for these videos on LOTR lore! You managed to convey a great amount of information in such a small video, and very clearly too. I'll make sure to check the other videos :)
There needs to be more videos made! I’ve shown this and part 1 to so many people. Great explanation!
One mistake I've noticed so far - Celebrimbor did actually gift Durin III with a ring.
It is said that he did, but there is no proof. Plus, Durin III's ring is as tainted as the other 6 as Sauron helped make them.
CGP Grey They are pretty tricksy, those dwarves.
***** Or they could have been tricked. Sauron could change his appearance, after all.
Depends on who you believe. In an appendix of the LotR, yes Celebrimbor gifted the ring to Durin. If you read the Silmarillion, then Sauron gave it with the rest of the rings of power. Either way, Sauron eventually regains the ring when he imprisoned Thrain.
Can someone clarify something for me: I remember in the last pages of TLotR, when they suggest to march on the back gate, Gandalf (I think) remarkes, that it would be suicide because of several reasons. And he also mentions that they don't have the one ring to throw down the enemy by force.
So, is it possible for highly powerful individuals to actually use the one ring, although for a short amount? Or was Gandalf just high on the stuff he smokes?
If someone great enough, say Gandalf or Galadriel, were to assume the ring they would vanquish Sauron but inevitably set themselves in his place. Galadriel makes this clear to Frodo in her garden.
The rings main purpose was to dominate the mind of others. Spectulation if that Gandalf (by himself and others), who is a stronger maia than Sauron, would take the ring - the ring would control Gandalf and through him would be even a dangerous dark lord that Sauron ever was. Especially since most of Saurons powers had thinned through the ages.
Nokomarie She specifically mentions having a will to dominate. Galadriel and Saruman are the most likely to have been able to most effectively use the ring, as Galadriel's past includes a great will to rule others, and her use of Nenya to the peak of its powers shows this.
Gandalf would had to have been subtly changed a bit before using the One Ring to its peak, in my opinion.
So. What the video kind of didn't stress enough, is that Sauron put a whole lot of his own power, of his essence, into the One Ring. That's why destroying the Ring also defeated Sauron himself, because so much of himself was actually in it. (It's also why, when Sauron was defeated the previous time, he was able to come back. Kind of like a horcrux, in that way.) Since the Ring is essentially filled with Sauron, and is incredibly powerful, you need someone who is themself very powerful already to overcome that, and master the Ring. Gandalf or Galadriel could certainly do it. The problem is, doing so would bring them into contact with so much of Sauron, they would be unable to resist being corrupted... and would inevitably take over as Dark Lord in Sauron's place.
Virini Wielding a power of that magnitude almost always invariably corrupts the user. It isn't so much that it is Sauron, but being granted such a huge amount of power without having it before.
The illustrations are fantastic! Really appreciate the effort put into this video
this is such a great summary and just goes to show how well thought out all of the books really were
I fucking love these new LOTR videos you are doing!!! I love the stories, but have yet been able to explore deeper into them. This is a fantastic introduction!!
Tolkien honestly blows my mind with the sheer amount of lore he managed to build into his universe!
very intricate and cohesive! wish this video was longer
You know what’s interesting?
Tolkien died in 1973, which reversed is 3791.
3 rings for the elven kings under the sky,
7 for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
9 for mortal men doomed to die,
1 for the dark lord on his dark throne.
No that isn't interesting
Palt I think it is
@@trashyaqua6239 You're wrong
It's a coincidence. Coincidences have no meaning and a such arent that interesting past the first time you hear it.
It s an interesting coincidence.
Why didnt the movies explain this? This vid was so helpful and only took a few minutes to explain it all!
because if holywood had to make that vid it will last 9 houers ;)
HULUBULU hejhej I would watch it.
me to ofc :)
They brief over it at the start of the fellowship.
I don't know about the LOTR laymen, but I would gladly invest 9 hours to watch that..and not jut once LOL :)
I like the special email subscriber secret screening. CGP grey: taking back control of subscriptions.
This was a great video. Great illustrations and very informative. Also like the humoristic undertone. THX!
I know this video is many years old but... The ring's abilities just make perfect sense when it comes to it's return desire. An invisible (yet shining) undying and obsessed man makes the greatest courier you could ask for.
WOW, a 4 minutes video just answered my biggest question about the Lord of ring story. Thank you!
+sakor88 which part was wrong?
My understanding is that a part of Sauron's magic is in the ring. Sauron's magic might not be the same thing as his soul, but it is an intrinsic part of his being (unless, like elves, Maiar didn't have souls I can't really remember). Sauron's magic is still a part of Sauron's being that is in the Ring. Sauron's magic is twisted to domination and control, so the part of his being that is the ring strives to be with a bearer who can best shape the world in their own image. So while the video isn't technically correct, it doesn't seem quite wrong to me either.
The video is not wrong, it just glosses over a few things because there's only so much you can explain in four minutes.
The video didn't mention that certain people are powerful enough that they could wrest control of the One Ring from its original master. However it does mention that the main problem is that the ring itself contains part of Sauron's essence. Anyone who manages to become its new master would just end up as bad as he was.
For the vast majority of people, the Ring's promises are indeed lies. Very few have the willpower to use it properly. A King of Gondor could defeat Sauron militarily by using the Ring, but that wouldn't kill the guy or destroy his tower, and as seen with Númenor keeping Sauron prisoner is a *bad idea*.
Killing sauron with the ring is exactly what Sauron wants. You cannot really use his power against him for you allow him to live through it. The fortresses you'd build or the armies you'd gather with the knowledge of the rings would simply be tools of Sauron himself for he is one with it.
There was three books written to say that specifically. Gandalf himself wouldn't dare using it in fear of being corrupted like Saruman, who did not even see the ring. The only who could wear it was Tom Bombadil who was an irresponsible fool. You cannot defeat Sauron with it period.
Based on what?