What Would Happen at Jerusalem in 1187 if, The Winged Hussars Arrived?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- 🏰 Welcome to another thrilling episode of Parry This!, where history meets imagination! Today, we're embarking on a unique journey back to the Siege of Jerusalem in 1187, a key event in the Crusades. But we're adding an exciting twist - envisioning the legendary Winged Hussars, the fearsome Polish heavy cavalry, charging into this medieval battlefield. 🐎💨
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Historical Background of the Siege of Jerusalem - Delve into the strategic and political landscape of the 12th-century Middle East. Understand the significance of Jerusalem and the roles played by key figures like Saladin and Balian of Ibelin. 🛡️⚔️
The Winged Hussars Unveiled - Learn about the late 16th-century Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth's elite cavalry. Discover their iconic winged armor, tactics, and impact on warfare. 🌍🔥
Hypothetical Scenario: Winged Hussars at Jerusalem - Imagine the dramatic shift in the Siege of Jerusalem with the Winged Hussars' intervention. Explore how their tactics and presence might have altered the course of this historical event. 💥🤔
Tactical Analysis and Potential Outcomes - Dive into a detailed analysis of the hypothetical battle strategies and their potential impact on the Crusades and beyond. 📜🌐
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You just summoned a bunch of Sabaton fans with the way you worded the title.
Not if, when.
@@Yogasefski We're heeeeEEEEre...
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
Death from above, it’s an army of Wings!!! 🤘🏻
Indeed he did.
COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAINSIDE!
Imagine if you were a 12th century Christian, and when all hope seems lost for Jerusalem a bunch of heavily armoured heavy cavalry with wings on their backs appeared. Their first thought must be that god sent his angels to fight for them.
It would look exactly like Angelic support.
Personally i think the varangian guard wouldve made more of an impact on this battle since they were geard and used to urban combat among other things
Or the mercenary guard that fought at the siege of Constantinople whereas the winged hussars are as you said a heavy shock Cavalry
Edit* the mercenaries that fought at the siege was Giovanni Giustiniani Longo and 700 Genoese mercenaries
Yeah, I suppose that could be possible. But, Poland and the power to deploy the Winged Hussars all the way to Jerusalem. did not exist back then.
@@Wolfen443 the Varangian guard served the Byzantine Empire and Giovanni is genovan
That would make the best sabaton song of the century
Damm I was going to say the same thing 🤣
It does sound a little too epic not to be.
Polish hussars actually fought impossible odds many times and are perfect time travellers here.
At Klushino, where 2,5-3k hussars rolled 30-40k Russo-Swedish army that was behind fortified encampment, charging them 10 times before they broke, leaving swedish mercenaries surrounded and forced to negotiate their surrender.
Same in battle Orsha, where 30-35k of the Polish-Lithuanian force crossed the river and rolled over 60k rested Russians, with hussars playing the main breaking the enemy job.
And at Kircholm where 2,7k mainly winged hussars rolled 12k Swedish forces out of existance after tricking them to split their forces in fake retreat.
....And the winged hussars arrive making sure that you to subscribe
Well, then truly they are heroic.
What if a single SEAL Team was at Custer's Last Stand??
I have a plan for Custer's Last Stand. Might be the next video in the series.
The KKK is fucked
On what side 😂
Love the tale! Sala-hudin and his troops, seeing the Hussars with their iconic wings may well have scared the daylights out of them. It could be well likened that the Hussars may have appeared, to them, as the Army of God lending aid and succor to his children and church. Islam could have been changed or even altered after this revelation.
It would definitely change Islam perhaps even leading to many converting to Christianity
I think terror and conversion are likely outcomes.
What if cold war era Polish military got sent back to 1939?
But which decade? Late 1940s, '50s, '60s, '70 or '80s? Much would be the same, but the differences could change the outcome of 1 September 1939 from win to loss.
that’s a good idea
@@Echowhiskeyoneeven the 1946 Polish armed forces has two Tank Divisions, several Tank Brigades with T34/85 tanks, several Infantry Divisions with 152mm and 122mm Artillery, also self propelled anti-tank guns and assault guns 76nm to 152mm, and 120mm to 240mm mortars. Polish Air Force with 1945+ aircraft! (Bonus if they get the Polish Paratrooper Brigade and Armored Division, and several Infantry Divisions from the Western Front. Polish RAF squadrons too.)
1939 Poland had plenty of Infantry, but only a couple Battalions of light tanks and tankettes. Polish airforce was outmatched.
1946 T34/85, or even T34/76, plus other AFVs, and Veteran Polish soldiers, would annihilate the ill prepared Germans!
Pz I tankettes, Pz II light tanks, less than 100 total Pz III and IV. The German mechanized forces would be totally outmatched!
Luftwaffe would have a numerical advantage, but Polish would have Quality!
@@EchowhiskeyoneMy scenario presumes 30 days of Logistics, meaning 4 to 7 days of moderately intense combat, and 25 days of Defensive holding, or "skirmishes" to advance. Spares sufficient to keep 80%+ of the tanks, AFVs, and aircraft operational for 30 days of combat.
Poland has aircraft manufacturing capacity sufficient to maintain, and repair c.1946 aircraft. Vehicle maintenance would become more difficult after 30 days; as would supply of petroleum (Romania, mostly; some from the UK via the Baltic).
@@EchowhiskeyoneMy suppositions would mean almost certainly Poland could Defeat a German invasion of Poland. However, it would be nearly impossible for Poland to invade Germany; unless the Soviet Union could be deterred AND France and the UK mount a major invasion of Germany from the west!
The Soviet Union is unlikely to invade unless Germany is clearly winning against Poland. Stalin's purges of the Soviet officer corps, and other issues would make an opposed invasion of Poland too risky!
I definitely think they would have won the battle. Would have been an overwhelming shock and awe factor, paired with the best heavy cavalry of the late mesieval period.
I agree. I think the advantage both morale wise, and power disparity wise would be absolutely massive.
Using pistols right before charging would add to the shock value as gunpowder was still unknown in the classical world, the Mongols wouldn't arrive until a few decades after
Agreed. the bangs, smoke, fire, and compatriots falling dead would be terrifying to a pre gunpowder army.
6:45 here you go my brethren
Deus vult BROTHER.
Doing God's work.
Jerusalem was worthless, and it was absurd and foolish for the Crusaders to target this small desert city.
They should have supported Byzantium against the Seljuks, Persians, and Arabs. The main targets of the Crusaders should be Mesopotamia and Egypt, the two major food producing areas in the Middle East at that time. Capturing the products of these two areas would allow the Crusaders to fight independently for a long time, instead of continuing to rely on European shipping support. Even if they could not occupy them, they should loot them and cause famine to destroy their populations. By then, the entire Islamic world would be overwhelmed.
The Crusaders were scattered, without a unified command or a strategist. They even sacked Constantinople. The main focus was placed on a small city with no strategic value.
Instead of imagining Hussars rescuing Jerusalem, it is better to imagine what would have happened if Byzantium had received direct aid from the Catholic coalition in 1453.
When examining the failings of the First Crusade, it is important to remember that for Eastern Christian forces, it was mostly a war of reconquest for land and resources and to halt the military advance of the Muslim Caliphate, whereas for Most Western Christian forces it was either a quest for personal power, ie, Bohemond of Taranto, or a religious action taken to please God, ie Godfrey of Bouillon. So Jerusalem was far more important to Western Crusaders because of it's symbolic importance in Christianity.
7th panzer divission arives at battle of verdan
I'm assuming you mean Verdun? Either way I'm all for it.
Verdun is nearly the Worst place possible to commit the German 7th Panzer Division (c.1940)! The terrain in and around Verdun is unsuitable for Panzers to Maneuver, and heavily defended, with concrete and field fortifications difficult to damage by c.1940 German Panzer Division tanks or Artillery!
To one flank the Muese Argonne! To the other the heights of the Wovre!
@@paladinsix9285 i know. Thats the point.
yes.@@RadBruce.
That would be a very large force.
Welp that's new.
Indeed it is.
Wargaming some of these fights have been some delightfully good times.
I just watched your video about Helms Deep from few years ago, and then this one. It's so much more enjoyable with your own writing, and humor and informal tone. This generic Chat GPT narration is killing everything, suddenly everyone sound the same, same sentences, same needles overdescribing, same faceless tone... just go back and compare. Please don't drown in AI deluge, it takes the good and the bad and makes average out of everyone. For the worst it's a progress. For you it's not
Julius Caesar with army he fought Vercingeterix with vs Atila the Hun?
Caesar would just hit and run Atila's forces. Caesar's legions are terrifyingly fierce and disciplined. He would have fortified many villages, forts, and walls to make sure the Huns would not make any breakthroughs unless their current expanded territory between Gaul to Greece, his army and command chain would be spread thin, leaving them being picked at by Atila one by one. United they would stand a chance, divided they would fall as the Huns are more than Caesar's men (even if we count the Gallic auxiliary loyalist to Caesar). The best they can do is to defend.
If Pompey Magnus would help, the manpower of Rome against the Hun invasion would drastically increase, even if they are mostly raw recruits(If we count the Caesar's civil war era of Pompey's legions). Pompey would have a reason to ally with Caesar with this one, because if there is a threat heading towards Rome their personal interest and backstabbing would just be for later as they value their country's honor welfare to some degree.
Roman armies in the 5th century were a shadow of what they used to be, still Attila was stopped at the Catalaunian Fields. Caesar would butcher the Huns, maybe not the strongest opponent for his legions.
@@Duke_of_Lorraine
It is questionable if roman armies in the late empire were not superior especially their cavalry
I have a fun idea for an idea kind of like this, but even more disparate, and it would be the first time i send troops forward in time to win a battle.
@@ParryThis please make it so oh gracious one!
What if the Polish Winged Hussars arrived to rescue Takamori's forces in the Battle of Shiroyama. Takamori also is reinforced by air by the Red Baron and Jasta 11, has a rearguard of Papal Swiss Guard and can call in artillery from the battleship Bismarck.
What
If the Hussars had managed to save Jerusalem, would they still have been as effective against the marauding ottoman forces at Vienna back in their time or would they have then been a known entity that the Turks would have been more ready for?
Ohhh, this is gonna be good; now, you're invoking my Polish Noble ancestry; I created the first officially recognized representation of the Polish Winged Hussar Knights in the United States back in 1999-2000...
Where in the USA?
I live near Seattle, where there is some Polish presence.
My family is from Silesia, c.1845; then Wisconsin/Minnesota; Washington state c.1875 to 1890.
When I was in NYC, 2003, I visited the statue of King Wenceslas!
@@paladinsix9285
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The Winged Hussars are so awesome. Definitely a great matter of National Pride for Poland.
We remember In September When the winged hussars arrived.
Deus Vult!
And the winged Hussars arrived.
Waiter: What will you take?
Winged Hussars: We will Take Jerusalem
Deus Vult Deus Vult.
YEET
YOTE
Bro instantly hooked me with the sabaton reference
Awesome to have so many fellow sabaton fans around.
Hattin is pronounced 'Hah-TEEN'
How about a platoon of M18s (4 open topped tank destroyers.) helping the romans at the battle of Cannae? Bringing tanks to an ancient battle might seem to be too much of a difference in technology but I think that in the case of the M18s it might be reasonably balanced.
The reasoning for this is:
1: The M18 is an open topped vehicle. That means that the soldiers inside are vulnerable to the weapons of the era. Combine this with Cannae being famous for an incredibly tight encirclement against the Romans the M18s might end up trapped in the encirclement and vulnerable to being climbed and attacked in melee range where the cannon and maybe even 50cal are rather useless.
2: Roman military command may try to treat the M18s improperly. The M18s would be at their best on a hill away from the battle but one of the more famous issues tanks have had to deal with in their development is being treated like calvary. (A particularly notable example is some British forces in Africa, Prior to WWII, being trained to have the driver and loader dismount the tank to fight like infantry leaving only the gunner and commander in the now-immobile tank. This may work with calvary but definitely not tanks.) As mentioned the M18s may also be sent to take part in the Roman columns instead of being at a proper range and end up being defeated in melee combat.
3: The M18s were tank destroyers. They were optimized for long range combat with APHE and AP rounds rather than the HE rounds that would be most effective against enemy infantry. And even referring to that the blast radius of HE rounds would be mildly less effective since the armor of infantry at the time may reduce their effectiveness.
4: Could they even deal enough damage to make a difference? Yes they have modern cannons and 50cals but they also have limited ammunition and the Carthaginians number around 20,000 strong. Would the M18s deal enough damage for the Romans to make a breakthrough and escape or prevent the encirclement?
Huh.... this is actually a pretty good suggestion and honestly your reasoning is sound. Open top tanks would certainly be more vulnerable to infantry attacks & given the numbers against them it is likely one or more would get overrun.
I've written that suggestion down.
The Romans never get encircled in the first place
They encircle the Punic army and slaughter them quickly
The Roman Republic then defeats Carthage for the 2nd time and start the Industrial Revolution
Roman Legions now have Guns and Tanks
Honestly the more interresting parts of the scenario (at least to me, and dont get me wrong i do love the tactical aspects) is how the tank crews would even coordinate with the romans, given the language barrier. What kind of incentives there could even be to choose one side or the other in a war that isnt their own. The culture shock experienced just by having to live side by side, what interactions would happen with the legionaries and camp followers. How the modern troops would have to navigate roman politics to ensure their own safety from their uneasy and very ambitious hosts. How they would secure food and commodities in a world where those dont automatically come with neat logistic trucks.
Although we would have to assume they are somehow supplied with at least fuel and ammunition, since the second they loose their status as otherworldly supersoldiers, all the other questiins would resolve pretty quickly and probably tragically
@@christiandauz3742 No because they are nowhere near the tech to even produce 90% of the tank parts and all the ammuntion will be used up so no gunpowder.
The feathers on the wings of the Hussars fluttered in the wind of the charging horse. It was a strange sound to uneducated superstitious soldiers especially when they were already in fear of the heavy cavalry headed right at them. While the Polish horses were used to the sound, it was said to terrify the animals of the opposing forces. One German officer was said to have remarked that the Hussars had "sung them to death with those wings". The lance was not heavy as stated. In fact, it was hollowed out to be as light as possible. the idea was to have it impale the enemy and then shatter. The hussars would then ride back for another lance and charge again. That way by sending your hussars in waves the enemy would receive wave after wave of charging lancers with little or no relief between charges.
This would convert the muslims. It would look like the wrath of god to them.
That's a solid enough point. Any of them familiar with Christianity would likely think it was an army of angels.
Sat-Cho alliance in the battle of Toba-Fushimi in January 1868 from the beginning of the Boshin war travel back in time to alter history in the battle of Sekigahara in 1600 during the latter stages of the Sengoku Jidai. The satsuma domain and the Choushu domain (Shimazu and Mori clans) replace their sengoku jidai counterparts in the battle and bring with them their western equipment with them.
Video idea: what could a platoon of navy seals with full modern gear and equipment do at the Warsaw rising with the Polish resistance
There's no such thing as a stupid question... except for this one.
WWII Airborne troops of two nations, total of 75 (your choice of nations, ) dropped over the siege of Peking, 1900.
I love when my ideas get picked
A magical feeling?
Cacciatori delle alpi (led by Antonio Garibaldi) at Teutoburg forest
Interesting suggestion.
Possibly my favorite one of these you have done yet. Super interesting and very fun to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. I really like the alternate history videos you do.
Glad you like them!
Had to restart this video 3 times cuz I kept distracting myself humming sabaton
Do a video with the siege of Constantinople please.
Maybe have the modern Army Corps of engineers on the Byzantine side or maybe George Washington or another general was on their side. Or have the Byzantines command a few hundred French musketeers.
These are just examples that could be interesting.
Bruh I got jumpscared by Sabaton lmao, haven’t heard that song in so long
why not have them at Hattin to save the army? Even if Saladin is driven off, the Kingdom of Jerusalem had no army left. Saladin wins Jerusalem later by attrition.
LOTR fans must love this scenario for sure. But, their ability to break the Siege completely is questionable at least Saladin s not the arrogant and careless Sultan of the Vienna Battle too.
In your opinion what is the strongest calvary of the medieval era? No firearms though
You should do some videos putting the advanced units in the hand of the attackers. Bur regaurdless keep up the great work.
I did one so far, where i gave WWII troops to the Confederates in Pickett's Charge.
what if the d-day landing force was at the Gallipoli Campaign?
Suggestion scenario: What if Admiral Nelson had his Royal Navy fleet right before Battle of Trafalgar replaced by the Royal Navy first full ironclad warships HMS Warrior and HMS Black Prince. How would this change the battle of Trafalgar ?
Well...I guess they would win harder. i doubt Admiral Nelson would change his strategy, unless you are saying his entire fleet would be replaced by just the two warships, in which case, they would likely lose, as Ironclads were certainly not impervious to cannon fire, and the fleets at Trafalgar represent the peak strength of the age of tall ships.
eventually Saladin would have won, he was the master of logistics after all.
Cool scenario.
Now transport the Hussars to Constantinople, 1453 and resurrect Władysław who died in 1444 to lead them.
To fix a couple misconceptions about the Hussars:
1) Lances. The lances and spears were used in heavy cavalry way back in antiquity. What made hussar lances unique is their length as they could literally outreach the pikemen, so their charge is more like an attack of Macedonian phalanx with the speed of a fully galloping horse and the power of a knight's lance hit.
2) Armor. Hussars wore relatively light armor. In their early period they didn't wear their iconic cuirasses and instead wore simple mail shirts, not too different to those in the Battle of Hastings. The main point is that Hussars derived from light cavalry and were originally a counter to horse archers.
3) Armament. Aside from lance(which was extremely long and expensive, designed to be longer than pikes), they could carry a steppe bow, two pistols, a sabre and a rapier-like sidearm sword. What would totally shock the people from 1000-1100s, would be the pistols. Like the magic wands of death that can't be stopped by shields and mail/scale armor of the time.
Highlight whether you're talking about Polish hussars or just (Hungarian) hussars. Because if you're talking about the latter too, you're incorrect
Great video and awesome analysis...
Glad you enjoyed it!
Keep in mind the husars would have had PLATEMAIL something that hadn't been created yet. People might’ve thought the armor was heavenly as well.
Winged hussars*** or otherwise known as Polish hussars were the only hussars that wore such. Anyways, the conceot of Hussar didn't even exist then, it only came to be in the 15th century in the Kingdom of Hungary
I see Winged Hussars and Jerusalem, I press Like.
6:47 COMING DOWN THEY TURNED THE TIDE
I wonder how they do against the mongol horde
. . . “The Song” would kick in.
Fantastic job. Would still really like to see something dealing with the Battle of Little Bighorn.
Coming up, i have something planned for that.
DO CONSTANTINOPLE NEXT PLEASE
Phenomenal exercise.
Thank you for this video
My pleasure
@@ParryThisI wonder what it would look like if Medieval European Knights fought against each other, and Native Americans such as Apaches, could you please make a video about it
Introducing Gunpowder warfare to 1187 Europe is a huge game changer
The Mongols now have to deal with everyone having Muskets
This gives Ghosts of Mons vibes
Reclaim 'their' lands. No.
Definitely was not Muslim lands. The crusades were definitely defensive and reactionary to the invasion by the Muslims across Europe, including Italy.
The First Crusade was a defensive reactionary response to roughly 400 years of Muslim aggressive expansion and conquest of predominantly Christian Lands and peoples.
@@ParryThis That was my point, the video says the muslims were reclaiming their lands, none of it was their land. Enjoyed the video though.
Without more specific information about the how and when the Winged Hussars arrive, it is difficult to define a specific effect that they would have on the battle. Was there room for a single, open field charge? Against which of Saladin's forces would it be directed? What, if any, effect would the follow-through have? Would the defenders of Jerusalem have the presence of mind to take effective action, or would they see these "angels on horseback" as divine intervention, and assume they had no cause to press their advantage? It's all pretty nebulous. ='[.]'=
Whenever the Polish Winged Hussars arrive, Saladin's vast Camp is in the open; not well defended because there were no Crusader forces within 100 miles (and not besieged).
The Crusaders in Jerusalem had food for months, perhaps a year, and "unlimited" water. Deprive Saladin's forces food, water, arrow supplies, and all other Logistics; they must come to terms, or attempt to withdraw without supplies and in terrain favorable to the Polish!
@@paladinsix9285
Saladin had good light and medium - heavy horse, if they did not hit hard enough the first time attrition would play against them
The issue here is, it's hard to make it super specific, as the Siege of Jerusalem is pretty heavily debated tactic wise. The different accounts we have of the battle are mostly fairly vague, and some contradict each other.