Would you consider reintroducing the ironclads again but in the battle against or with the Spanish Armada....they would be near invincible to everything but the possible fireships. Or even a group of WWI machine gunners defending the within the thin narrow gap at the battle of Thermopylae. keep up the interesting work
Just imagine if Spanish Tercio were presents at Nicopolis and not the french medieval knigths! Sultan Yildirim the thunderbolt Bayezid would have been up against a real challenge!
I have an interesting one, WW2 Germany with a modern logistics system (Either the 1980s West and East German plus Austrian miliary and civilian stuff likes trains and trucks or the current 2023/2024 German and Austrian ones). Whichever you think would give them the bigger boost and would be a better insight into how the Wehrmacht worked than simply tanks, artillery and planes.
They lose even faster because this requires even more fuel that they dont have. It goes the same for all of the wonder weapon arguments. The MAUS, the rocket planes. They all require fuel (and rubber for the trucks) that the germans just didnt have
I generally like the supplementary forces you've used previously, but this was a good change. I'd like to see something involving the landsknechts; maybe going back to defend Rome from the Goths or to join one side or pick a side in the Teutoburg campaign.
The Ottomans were the pioneers in the use of gunpowder and firearms in Europe it is not often said. It does not surprise me that the European armies had to adapt to the Ottomans by incorporating army corps. But Europe's first standard army in the Middle Ages came from the Ottoman Empire when Europeans used archaic charging tactics of heavy chivalry. The Ottomans even before the Spanish Empire had an excellent army, better logistics and cannons of different sizes and calibers. I would add that the Ottoman armies were the first armies to use uniforms for each army corps which was ultra modern for the time without mentioning the Mehter which was the first corps of martial music those which helped the army to walk in a disciplined manner and improve morale. The Ottoman army specialized in siege warfare. Of course the Europeans adapted Ottoman tactics and even adopted them. Like for example the Infantry regiments the use of uniformes and ranks and the adoption massively of fire armes, the martial discipline which was the strength of the Ottoman armies. The Europeans took these different concepts and added the spear to their formations which gave the tercios for example, see modern armies. The weak point of the Ottoman armies was their poor command and naval technological inferiority to the Europeans, which led to the disaster of Lepanto and which allowed the Europeans to gain the upper hand.
I have to disagree there is no way on Earth 4,000 Spanish Tercio could defeat Ottoman army even with their superior technology, simply because out of 25,000 at least 15,000 were Sipahis! Sipahis were effective not because their armour rather because they were extremely mobile force with bows and javelins. So they would never charge against pikemen as claimed rather keep their distance and engage in a skirmish. Their bows and javelins had less penetration than guns but their rate of fire was many times higher and Tercio was very lightly armoured so they could not last long especially with low numbers. 4,000 of them were going to be just slaughtered, slow formation of Tercios could never force them to engage in melee. So the amount of Tercios needed is much higher or crusader army had to be more complex with units which would force Sipahis to engage..
Here's an interesting one: the English Forces at Agincourt, including Knights, archers, and armsmen, replace the Greek contingent at Thermopalaye.They must either delay the Persian army until Greek forces arrive or inflict enough casaulties as to force them from the field.
The main problem would be the (very) slow rate of fire of those early arquebuses, plus don't know if their range was similar to Turkish bows. Probabilly you should double the spanish force, at least 10.000 men strong, to stay sure of a victory. PS. didn't the turks were crushed few yrs later by Tamerlane, that ruthlessly exterminated so many of them?
Just take a breath it’s okay you don’t always need to cut after like half a sentence. I love your content I just feel bad all that editing sounds exhausting
For exemple in Lepanto battle the Spanish Tercios they were decisive and shower clear superiority from the Janissaries in the boarding hand to hand; they have a best armies in history.
Better leadership, not even better or more organized troops makes the biggest difference in these cases. Even an army overmatch or less militarily effective under a good leader can execute some effective delaying battle and retreat mostly in one piece.
What if a full strength Mid Imperial Roman legion was helping the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae. For references: ua-cam.com/video/eR-J_JSBNTI/v-deo.htmlsi=ruHZcYIwiIR8AKZU
If you study medivial history, you should have heard of Gjergj George Kastrioti aka Skanderbeg, king of Epyrus. If he was in nicopolis he would have smashed the ottomans.He destroyed ottoman for 25 times with all the armies composition they had at nicopolis and even better composotion after they took Constantinople and emploed cannons in 1445 1465 and so on. He destroyed ottomans armies at every battle where he was outnumbered, and never got beaten in battle against ottomans when he directed it.Look it up, the guy is legendary Christian commander unknown by most.
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intresting i wonder how a 17th century tercio fair, they would be similiar but have distinct difference, much more firepower than a 15th century terico and better artillery plus they would also have somewhat different fighting methods, tercios had by the thirty years war started to adopt more modern doctrines such as volley fire and fought in a maner not dissimilar to the dutch.
Maybe instead of sending a small number of soldiers further in the past, you can do one where a lot of less technologically advanced soldiers go into a battle more recent. Like could five full legions of 1st century AD rome succesfully defended Constantinople from the Turks?
as a hema practicioner, ill say that havier armour impeding mobility is kinda a myth. what actually happens is that you will run out of stamina significantly faster than someone wearing lighter armour, so its more of a stamina thing than a speed thing
Armour does not greatly reduce mobility. Please stop perpetuating this myth! Full plate battle armour only weighed about 60lbs. A knight could run, jump, climb a rope/ladder , etc in their armor. Regardless, it's a shame things didn't go this way historically. Oops... did I say that... #don'thatetheplayerhatethegame
What if some WW1 French Artillery went back in time to assist Napoleon Bonaparte win at the Battle of Waterloo.
Yes make this the top comment please
pretty obvious Napoleon would win with ww1 artillery
@@weilam03 but it would be funny
@@weilam03 let’s be honest take any battle and give them better junk and they win but it’s still a cool idea
Napoleon would have multiple orgasms when he saw how those artillery perform.
Would you consider reintroducing the ironclads again but in the battle against or with the Spanish Armada....they would be near invincible to everything but the possible fireships. Or even a group of WWI machine gunners defending the within the thin narrow gap at the battle of Thermopylae. keep up the interesting work
Battle of Midway but with a modern Carrier Battle Group?
I think a Spanish Tercio would win the battle.
Just imagine if Spanish Tercio were presents at Nicopolis and not the french medieval knigths! Sultan Yildirim the thunderbolt Bayezid would have been up against a real challenge!
How about sending a tank battalion from the US 1st Armored Division (1991 post Gulf War 1 era) to the Battle of Kasserine Pass?
WOAH cool! Wish for US Army Green Berets soon!
I have an interesting one, WW2 Germany with a modern logistics system (Either the 1980s West and East German plus Austrian miliary and civilian stuff likes trains and trucks or the current 2023/2024 German and Austrian ones). Whichever you think would give them the bigger boost and would be a better insight into how the Wehrmacht worked than simply tanks, artillery and planes.
They lose even faster because this requires even more fuel that they dont have. It goes the same for all of the wonder weapon arguments. The MAUS, the rocket planes. They all require fuel (and rubber for the trucks) that the germans just didnt have
I generally like the supplementary forces you've used previously, but this was a good change. I'd like to see something involving the landsknechts; maybe going back to defend Rome from the Goths or to join one side or pick a side in the Teutoburg campaign.
The Ottomans were the pioneers in the use of gunpowder and firearms in Europe it is not often said. It does not surprise me that the European armies had to adapt to the Ottomans by incorporating army corps. But Europe's first standard army in the Middle Ages came from the Ottoman Empire when Europeans used archaic charging tactics of heavy chivalry. The Ottomans even before the Spanish Empire had an excellent army, better logistics and cannons of different sizes and calibers. I would add that the Ottoman armies were the first armies to use uniforms for each army corps which was ultra modern for the time without mentioning the Mehter which was the first corps of martial music those which helped the army to walk in a disciplined manner and improve morale. The Ottoman army specialized in siege warfare. Of course the Europeans adapted Ottoman tactics and even adopted them. Like for example the Infantry regiments the use of uniformes and ranks and the adoption massively of fire armes, the martial discipline which was the strength of the Ottoman armies. The Europeans took these different concepts and added the spear to their formations which gave the tercios for example, see modern armies. The weak point of the Ottoman armies was their poor command and naval technological inferiority to the Europeans, which led to the disaster of Lepanto and which allowed the Europeans to gain the upper hand.
I have to disagree there is no way on Earth 4,000 Spanish Tercio could defeat Ottoman army even with their superior technology, simply because out of 25,000 at least 15,000 were Sipahis! Sipahis were effective not because their armour rather because they were extremely mobile force with bows and javelins. So they would never charge against pikemen as claimed rather keep their distance and engage in a skirmish. Their bows and javelins had less penetration than guns but their rate of fire was many times higher and Tercio was very lightly armoured so they could not last long especially with low numbers. 4,000 of them were going to be just slaughtered, slow formation of Tercios could never force them to engage in melee. So the amount of Tercios needed is much higher or crusader army had to be more complex with units which would force Sipahis to engage..
Battle at Waterloo with WW1 british battalion with artillery and tank.
So, the goal is to have British win without Prussians ? :)
@@SaeronorWithout the Prussian Army in the area. Wellington Anglo Dutch Army might have been broken.
@@KevinYau-v7i ...which is something that gets mysteriously forgotten pretty often.
This alternate Timeline would have Muskets everywhere by the early 15th century
Here's an interesting one: the English Forces at Agincourt, including Knights, archers, and armsmen, replace the Greek contingent at Thermopalaye.They must either delay the Persian army until Greek forces arrive or inflict enough casaulties as to force them from the field.
This one was really good. Super interesting.
Glad you think so!
Modern French Foreign Legion holding the Ardennes against the Wehrmacht in the battle of France
Spain has a history of humilliating the Turks
The main problem would be the (very) slow rate of fire of those early arquebuses, plus don't know if their range was similar to Turkish bows. Probabilly you should double the spanish force, at least 10.000 men strong, to stay sure of a victory.
PS. didn't the turks were crushed few yrs later by Tamerlane, that ruthlessly exterminated so many of them?
How would french knights or a contingent of musketeers change the battle of Alesia?
Basically Spain would just be stuck in the heat.
Yo wtf I was literally thinking about this an hour ago before I saw this video.
Just take a breath it’s okay you don’t always need to cut after like half a sentence. I love your content I just feel bad all that editing sounds exhausting
I also wander what a d-day would look like with modern air support or modern ships support
What If a WW2 US and German battalion were in the Battle of Bull rub?
50 men of Tier1 force went back in time to help defend Constantinople in 1453.
For exemple in Lepanto battle the Spanish Tercios they were decisive and shower clear superiority from the Janissaries in the boarding hand to hand; they have a best armies in history.
mind you i suspect lepanto was as much due to ottoman overconfidence and better handling of the allied galleys.
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Better leadership, not even better or more organized troops makes the biggest difference in these cases. Even an army overmatch or less militarily effective under a good leader can execute some effective delaying battle and retreat mostly in one piece.
What if a full strength Mid Imperial Roman legion was helping the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae.
For references:
ua-cam.com/video/eR-J_JSBNTI/v-deo.htmlsi=ruHZcYIwiIR8AKZU
Just having singular leadership would have a huge impact on the western forces.
Catholicism and Christianity are very different. They’re not the same thing.
Before the appearance of Protestant denominations, they were not. The Catholic Church is the same unbroken faith founded by Christ.
50 us army rangers got sent back to Wake Island December 7 after the first bomb dropped on pear harbor give them 4 days to dig in.
Battle of Saragarhi?
I like both methods of added futuristic units to existing units as well as replacing them and both methods should be used again
Very cool. I don't know how 1500 arquebusiers would make up for the huge numbers of bows the ottomans had.
If you study medivial history, you should have heard of Gjergj George Kastrioti aka Skanderbeg, king of Epyrus. If he was in nicopolis he would have smashed the ottomans.He destroyed ottoman for 25 times with all the armies composition they had at nicopolis and even better composotion after they took Constantinople and emploed cannons in 1445 1465 and so on. He destroyed ottomans armies at every battle where he was outnumbered, and never got beaten in battle against ottomans when he directed it.Look it up, the guy is legendary Christian commander unknown by most.
If you don't like a Babymetal song, move on to another one, their range is huge and every.somg is different. Live oerformances of Headbanger at Legend 1997 or Megitsune at Red Fox festival are good ones.
Thanks for listening and giving it an honest shot. 👍 from me.
I always thought it was the 3 groups pike shot and swordsman combined no mention of the third component,?
If the Ottomans stood back with their archers and pelted the unarmoured shot with arrows?
This was enjoyable, but I recommend the format you used for the "WWI soldiers" and the "Rangers at the Alamo".
intresting i wonder how a 17th century tercio fair, they would be similiar but have distinct difference, much more firepower than a 15th century terico and better artillery plus they would also have somewhat different fighting methods, tercios had by the thirty years war started to adopt more modern doctrines such as volley fire and fought in a maner not dissimilar to the dutch.
it would have to be a total replacement. If it was just a unit the crusaders would fight about how to use them.
Under that legendary leadership even the original force could have won i think.
Maybe instead of sending a small number of soldiers further in the past, you can do one where a lot of less technologically advanced soldiers go into a battle more recent.
Like could five full legions of 1st century AD rome succesfully defended Constantinople from the Turks?
So, "What if Varus entered some weird part of the forest where trees did not speak Germanic and then emerged in Thrace, only a bit later?"
I like this one. Romans in Britain defending against the Great Heathen Army.
Love this premise. I think it's more interesting that you adjust the troops every time.
as a hema practicioner, ill say that havier armour impeding mobility is kinda a myth. what actually happens is that you will run out of stamina significantly faster than someone wearing lighter armour, so its more of a stamina thing than a speed thing
It´s not exactly a myth. While true on the personal level it is observable on horseback and in formation
Great video. Very well done.
Thank you very much!
Armour does not greatly reduce mobility. Please stop perpetuating this myth! Full plate battle armour only weighed about 60lbs. A knight could run, jump, climb a rope/ladder , etc in their armor.
Regardless, it's a shame things didn't go this way historically. Oops... did I say that...
#don'thatetheplayerhatethegame