Old vs New Off-Road Review: Which Jeep Wrangler Is The One to Buy?
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The Fast Lane Car I just picked up my 2015 jk 33s same bumper and a 12000 lb winch loving it
You guys forgot about the EcoDiesel option.
100% agree with your comment about waiting for the truck.... i am too....
The Fast Lane Car dxxxsd#*()’tggggjggt ain’t.
cxssms
The best part about the new JL/JLU line is now all the aftermarket parts for the JK line will get cheaper.
Say that louder. The manufacturers haven't heard you yet.
@@MattHolstein I kinda doubt it anyways..🧐
Great video of father and son wheelin'. Although it's strange to hear Tommy calling his Dad by his first name. But for the sake of the video, I get it. Both of these 2 door Wranglers look good. But the JK looks awesome. I only have a limited slip diff and after seeing this, I have to save up for at least a rear locker and soon.
I call my father by his first name. And I would hate to be called "Dad". Just feel like it's lacking respect.
Sacatolas Moreira This is definitely something I've never heard of. I would never call my Dad by his first name. THAT is a lack of respect. I have 2 sons and if either ever called me by my first name, there's going to be a problem!
I’d like to see Tommy’s wheels and tires on the new Jeep. They say you can put 35s on it. You guys should test that.
If you're a Mall Crawler you can.
I started out with a 2003 TJ. I drove that as a daily driver till i traded that for a 2010 JK Sport. After driving these for 15 years as a daily driver i decided to change things up. I am doing more travel, but i still wanted some off road capabilities, so i traded in the JK for a 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. I love the comfort of the new Cherokee and the ride going down the interstate. I do miss my JK but I think the Cherokee will do just fine for me. By the way, I love your videos on the Jeeps and your Diff loc series. Thanks for everything you've done for JEEP.
I love Pennsylvania gulch! Taking a motorcycle through there is a fun challenge. The jeeps make it look easy though...
Personally, I think the JK looks much more rough and tumble. Much more badass. Love the simplicity of the design. JL has too many edges and looks more like an SUV than an offroader.
That being said the JL seems to be a much more capable vehicle from the factory, and much more comfortable and maybe higher quality too. Ill stick to my JK for the sake of character and sentiment, but I have to admit jeep did a pretty damn job continuing the Wrangler name.
Wauto Colorado in no way does it looks like a suv
Jeeps are SUV’s though
Yes exactly
I agree, JLs seem to have more smooth curves
Yeah okay a Rubicon vs a wrangler sport $60,000 worth of factory updates vs his $40,000 of his updates they should have run neck and neck jk Rubicon vs the jL Rubicon
Never was a Jeep fan until I started watching your channel.First ,your team puts out a lot of content,a lot!Second,you all keep your sense of humor and enjoy what you are doing.Third.you are always coming up with interesting tests and comparisons that translate well for consumers.good to see Tommy back too!
When they said "old" I was expecting a TJ at the newest
same. i have a tj and i don't know what a JLU is only JL, I guess JLU is the unlimited? for TJ we have the LJ nickname...
I got luck only one model was left for JK rubicon which I grabbed on discount price 10 k less than JL rubicon, I was impressed by JL because of it looks but my objective was to get axel locks and the price, I see lot of UA-cam blog diverting customers toward JL , I understand it’s pure marketing
I love the father and son reviews. The best part of the video was the end and Roman’s interpretations of other intros but you missed one. “Thiiiiiisss is the 2018 Jeep Rubicon Wrangler...”
"And for more thoughts on the JL Rubicon, head over to my blog on..."
My son had a 2019 JL. It spent more time at the Jeep dealer being fixed than it did in his garage. Check engine lights for Electrical & 4 wheel drive problems. After a 12 week stay at the dealers, waiting on parts, or so they said. He sold the Jeep and got a Tundra PU.
I was replacing a 97 TJ. I decided to go with a preowned 2015 JK that was in dealer new condition inside and out. It was the Freedom version with leather seats and Alpine sound system. I wanted a Sahara but the Freedom was close enough to satisfy me.
As far as I am concerned the JK has all the technology I would ever need. The JL has more technology and thus more things that can go wrong or break. I’ve had my JK for a couple of years and I’m totally satisfied with it.
My thoughts? Get a used stock JK Rubicon that's been driven by some pavement princess for a couple of years. You'll pay new JK sport pricing for something way better. There are very few Rubicon drivers out there that wish they got a Sahara or a Sport, but there are tons of Sahara/Sport drivers out there that wish they got a Rubicon. Especially once they hit a real trail.
Dwealdric exactly I bought a 2015 mall crawler 30 000 km 33s on 18s has a Bush bumper and a 12000 lb winch way cheaper than a new one and still like new
If you off-road a used rubi by far better way to go than new.....if ya can find one that isn’t overpriced.
Or buy sport and build it better rubi has half @$$ 44 same tubes and c's as d30 .
I looked at all kinds of Used models...almost bought a JL...then a Sahara...was looking at the 10 year anniversary Rubicon...but felt it was over priced...settled on a 2014 Rubicon with 50k miles on it with a beat to shit wench. I anticipate wrenching time...and look forward to learning it.
@@street_legal_go_kart7356 true, rear air lockers and manual sway bar is pretty much all you'd need for most off road. The electronics in the rubicon's gonna break real fast
Good run, the factory lockers are great, but I love the cloth upholstery in Tommy's JK and so on and so forth,...as long as they're Jeeps, it's the drive that counts, and it looks like fun no matter what.
By the way Roman,...you weren't the only one who 'reacted' when the Land Rover tipped and swayed there,...except I let out with a word that I shouldn't show here.
This whole video is just awesome. I love that the Land Rover driver credited TFL for his purchase.
Gary Goldberg I saw a review stating get a land rover they leak like crazy, but are super cheap and ready to off road! $2500 found it in the Colorado Spring!
that one was a '97 bought for $2500 so that guy obviously isn't concerned about warranties or shelling out lots of money. it's a toy. nobody drives a new LR off road. it's always the 2nd or 3rd owner or beyond. if something breaks, you can find used and after market parts and do it yourself with older trucks. even a rebuilt engine or tranny is not that much, unless you're flat broke, and then you wouldn't be off-roading tempting fate.
This is new vs newer....im still rocking a 97xj.....thats old
But gold
I've got a 98 XJ aaaand love it. Still have a 91 yj, a 66 wagoneer, and my 2010 jku lol. I have a problem loving jeeps.
I was thinking the same. Ooooh a 2016 jk is so old... Not
I'm running a 1980 CJ7
@@papab3ar78 mines an 80 cj5. Good year
I'd love an Old vs New for the new ZR2 Colorado vs the S10 ZR2.
Might as well compare a covered wagon to a Lambo then....
I like the mechanical side of the jk, but I like the looks of the jl
I'm always impressed with Rubicons but also slightly underwhelmed by them. They do these intense trails stock off the showroom floor but then it's like, it should. It's the ultimate jeep produced currently, the literal top of the line for the brand and model! These trails should be the baseline for Rubicon.
You don’t need a rubicon for anything these guys do.
I still love my JK. I have a Rubicon Unlimited so I have the electronic disconnecting sway bar and locking differentials. :D
14sport no sway bars much quicker .
Rock jock 44 Detroit locker stronger than rubi .
Now let's talk about the pricing difference. lol
They don’t even have 2door rubicons available here in Australia. Bloody shame, they’d sell heaps. Id buy one in a heartbeat
I love the JK, I have stock LSD and mine keeps up with the rubis
But at the end of the day a jeep can vertuelly go anywhere and you will belong to a wonderful club of the jeep world
WELCOME my fellow JEEPERS
I love the little StraightPipes reference :)
Good comparison. Have to admit - the two door wrangler looks much better than the four door.
Way better off road handling too...
The suspension in the JK is much better. That new JL doesn't flex nearly as well. Also doing an axle swap on a JK isn't terrible. You could go really big and put Currie Dana 60s under it for 13K, sure, but for 35s, a set of locked up Dana 44s with 4:10s is plenty. You could always find a junkyard Rubicon and pull the axles and the control box. I've seen dudes do it in their driveway for under 4K.
Great video! taking my jeep tj out on yankee hill today.
Great video! Those lockers sure add a lot of benefits to off roading. Have Tommy put in a lunch box locker in the rear since theyre so cheap. Hope you wring the hell out of that new Rubicon while you have it!
I would never put a lunchbox locker in the rear. That type of locker locks up when torque is applied so you'd be locked at all times unless your foot was off the gas. They work great in the front because they only engage in 4WD,
Love the new JL in terms of looks and design. It looks modern and yet very classic and recognizable.
81 Cj5 comparison? That's what I have. But I LOVE my chev 383 (6.4 liter) stroker! Wish I had the modern suspension though.
"If you are going to do any hardcore offroading, get the rubicon, it's more expensive but you get XYZ..."
Absolutely not. A stock Rubicon is fine for easy to moderate offroading. if you want to do real hardcore offroading you will be ditching those stock axles all together so that you can run 37+ tires. You will also rip the entire stock suspension out so that you can have longer control arms with higher travel springs and shocks for extra flex. Every Rubicon owner I've ever wheeled with has pulled the electronic sway bar disconnect out (usually because it stopped working) and replaced it with the Currie Antirock sway bar. The ONLY benefit to getting the rubicon is for the 4:1 ratio transfer case rather than the 2.72:1 that comes in the other models. However for the price difference you could just buy the 4:1 case or some other t-case with a similar ratio and still save a lot of money.
In short, if you want to do some real offroading/rock crawling you would be better off getting a base model like the sport or sahara, then building it up yourself with aftermarket parts which are FAR superior to stock Rubicon parts.
P.S. Ditch the manual transmission. They suck for real off roading. When you have your jeep at a 75 degree angle on a hill and you need to get moving and you can't let it roll back or you'll be on your roof, no amount of heel-toe magic or old school grit is going to save you in that situation. And no matter how good you are with a clutch you WILL burn up your clutch while playing in the rocks. Don't even give me that "manuals are better" or "manuals are more fun" nonsense. They aren't. you will NEVER shift as smooth as an automatic, you will NEVER have the hill control of an automatic, and automatics are stronger.
Manual Wranglers work fine offroad. Crank the starter while in gear. You might have to toggle something or remove a fuse, but YJs start in gear...uphill.
@@RKmndo Yeah, because that's not going to cause unnecessary wear and tear..
@@KurNorock On what? The starter? The clutch?
I never had to replace the clutch on my YJ, and I used that Jeep for towing. The starter lasted over 100K miles and 10yrs+ of Chicago Winters. It was cheap and easy to replace, and some people just rebuild them for even cheaper.
If you're comfortable with stick and your gearing is good, crawling with a manual trans isn't rocket surgery.
@@RKmndo Exactly. IF your gearing is good. But how many people have "good" gearing? How much of an expense is that?
Most 4x4s these days are lucky to get a 2:1 or 2.73:1 low range and none of them have a "granny gear" anymore. Not to mention those 3.10 and even 2.90 diff ratios.
Sure, IF you can keep your forward momentum, any tranny will do. But the moment you hit a rock or crevice and the wheel stops turning, so does your engine.
And yes, trying to use your starter motor to make your 4000+ pound jeep climb a steep hill is bad for your starter. Obviously. That is so far beyond its application. Not only do you risk burning the starter up, you also risk breaking teeth off your flywheel.
And sure, a starter might not be THAT expensive, but it is still $150 you didn't have to spend, and if it craps out while you are climbing that ledge, causing you to roll over onto your lid, that is just more expense.
Hell, even if it craps out and you don't roll, the odds that you can push start your rig in a rock garden are slim to none. Now you are that guy, holding up the group because you were doing stupid shit, and somebody has to tow you to some flat land, or possibly, all the way back out the trail ruining their day too.
And don't even get me started on the toll you are taking on your battery.
I’ve been an F150 owner for almost a decade and the Rubicon Truck is also extremely tempting. Question is Diesel or the penstar and manual vs auto
I just bought a 2012 jk two door sport last week and I love it. My only complaint is with the factory soft top. It's a big PITA.
2012 here too..ditched the factory one and had a Smittbilt one installed...way nice and easier and better looking...
Do you recommend the manual or automatic transmission on a 2020 wrangler?
People are saying disconnecting your front sway bar off-road can be risky for the sway bar link if not tied properly. How risky really is it??
Great info .... trail looks good.... can’t see too many vehicles being tested on it, a tad narrow.
Awesome video! This is exactly what I look for in your videos! I will say that you should have asked that guy in the TJ Rubicon if he wanted to be a part of the video. That would have made a near-flawless Old vs. Young vs. New. Don't worry though; SOMEday, I will be that guy. 14:33 I actually said almost exactly that two years ago on the "Top 10 Essential Off-Roading Tips for Newbies (Part 1 of 2) - DiffLock Ep. 7" video. Ah, found it: "Straight-up: if a Rubicon Hard Rock two door can't get there, then "there" was not meant to be reached." EDIT: Forgot to mention that the appearance by the Discovery was an excellent catch. I can guarantee that there are lots of people out there (including my family) who got their vehicles in part because of you guys and your advice, reviews, and experience.
Great duo. Would definitely like to see more videos with you two. Awesome video you guys!
Tommy hits the real nail on the head: The new JL is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. Fiat once again "went upscale" and crammed it full of lots of techno whiz-bang that a Wrangler is not supposed to have. Even the JK is far too techno for it's own good. However, at least with the JL now out, the prices will drop on the JKs and they will become more affordable to those of us on actual middle class, suburban dweller budgets. So there is that to look forward to.
I just traded my Jk Wrangler sport six speed for a new JL Wrangler sport 2.0 four cylinder turbo with a 8 speed automatic both are two doors . So far I like the JL a lot and it’s getting better gas mileage.
Great video. Impressions at the end had me cracking up. You should do Fred from Dirt every day next time.
Pfft... my 03 Grand Cherokee with vari-lock axles would keep up with more comfortable seats and room to sleep 2 in the rear. But other than the blinkers in the fenders of the JL I like it better, just a fan of the more luxurious look and I use luxurious tentatively Haha.
Get a rear locker in that JK 👍
Love ur video’s, and really appreciate this one. Tommy my fav is ur 20 second mod break down. Wife and I are both JK owners, mine is heavily modded and wife is now looking at the JL’s....they are both great Jeeps. Think the JL did a great job of evolving the Jeep without compromising what Jeep stands for (is pricey though). Appreciate that you are comparing them off road, and know that is the reason I follow you guys!!! Thx again, keep the video’s coming!!!
The new Jeep looks good. I'm just glad they figured out a way to get Jeeps to be EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE. Seriously though, I love the new Rubi
Perfect timing! I'm deciding between a 2018 JKU or 2018 JLU this week!
So what did you end up with?
Same here. Which did you get?
"And youth!" Lol.
R: I want the Rubicon Jeep Truck
T: That's not out yet.
Is Roman talking about the pickup?
Some key differences not mentioned: 1. The Rubicon (JK or JL) comes with a 4:1 Rock Track transfer case, versus a 2.72:1 in all other models. 2. The JL comes with larger brakes (Rotor Dia. & Dual Piston Calipers) which make a significant difference when upgrading to 35s. This becomes a necessary safety upgrade - especially on the heavier unlimited models. 3. The Rubicon comes with a more robust D44 (JK)/ M210 (JL) front axle. When shopping back in 2015, we chose a Rubicon Unlimited over a Sahara due to the heavier duty suspension and 4.10:1 axle ratio - strictly for trailer towing advantages. Then we got into off roading and joined a local Jeep Club (Jeeper's Anonymous); looking back, I would sorely regret not choosing the Rubicon. The Rubicon will go places and climb things a Sport or Sahara simply cannot do because of the locking differentials.
It's unfair that you use the lockers on the Rubicon. Should have been open diff on both to make it similar to compare.
that's like tying an arm behind your back in a sparring match to make it fair. all it proves is that in order to make things competitive one has to be handicapped.
This is what I wanted to see.
WTH are your lockers engaged on simple terrain and turns? Oh and the JK is equipped with Brake Lock Differentials. Not as cool as the Rubi, but still pretty capable. Thumbs up for Jeep Truck!
Jim T right! They had no business engaging the lockers!
hey TFL crew, can you guys get a ROXOR and do gold mine hill and offroad comparisons with jl, jk, tj, yj etc. I for one will eat that content up! Great work guys! cheers!
Haha... Are you kidding me. Not even the same league. And if anything you'd want to compare it to a CJ7. But I assure you, no contest. Just saying.
Not a good comparison tbh, why not the jk hard rock rubicon vs JL rubicon
Holy hell you tripped me out with the straight pipes intro hahaha
Chase C. Who?
I opted for a '17 loaded up Rubicon over a JL, because of the $10k price difference. The JL's are great, but the JK has had all of its bugs worked out, and it has a much stronger aftermarket. Will be a while before the JL has the same aftermarket support. Oh, the Johnny Lieberman imitation at the end wasn't half bad :P
Stuka87 you bought a brand new 10 yr old model...when the new one just came out. Not smart.
Mid trim JL sports are going for the same price as my fully loaded JKU Rubicon. JL Rubicons are going for 10-15k more than my JK costs. JL's are better, but they arent THAT MUCH better.
you can get a 2018 Jk Rubicon for the same price as a 2018 Sport (not sport S) JL.
He made the point of saying his JK has had those 10 years to work the flaws out of them. The JLs are new. We still don’t know their flaws yet. Time will tell.
Gi I have been in and driven a JL. They aren’t quieter, their driving feel is roughly the same, the interior and nav system is a lot better, but it’s not worth the price difference. And there is a lot more to reliability than just the engine. It always take 1-2 model years to work out the bigger issues with production. If the price was the same, I would say go JL, but at the time JKs were much cheaper. Plus the after market for JKs is way better currently. If I do trade this JKU in, it will be for a Gladiator.
Great vid. A question- @15:32- the new Jeep rolling over the camera-there appears to be NO armour underneath...I thought, and you guys said, they come with under carriage plating. Do they or don’t they?
Two friends of mine went to buy a new JL... saw the price and bought TRD Pro 4Runners.
toyota is for men, jeep is for women
Did they buy the hard top or soft top TRD Pro 4Runners.?
manbeastx69 Toyota doesn't have anything soft. We like to keep things tightly bolted together to prevent the Jeep tow pit stops on highway.
Don't hate because Toyota cant innovate,its a Jeep thing.At least Toyota tried with the FJ Cruiser but you still have the Rav 4.....Fahrvergnügen
But then again u guys who like 4 runners are watching Jeep videos wtf?
I personally am not a fan of the new headlights, but really, not much you can do inside a circle.
Great video. Why do you keep calling your Dad Roman?
You guys need to branch out to some harder trails, Pennsylvania Gulch and Switzerland Trail are way to mild for those vehicles. Try Middle St. Vrain if you want to stay close to Boulder, although it usually does not open until the end of June.
they don't own the rubicon, though. i think subaru blacklisted TFL for years because of a damaged vehicle. that would suck if jeep did the same after returning a dented rubicon.
The JK looks really good. I like It more than the JL. The JL looks great too.
Have a 12' JK that I will never give up...☺
Did Tommy say.... Bestop soft top "trektop" NX black Twill ?
Lights on fenders? Whoever made that decision should be fired lol.
Land Rover guy wins the day on this video. First time sticking it in and that angle. 🤣🙌
Great vid as always. Would like to see you guys do a detail video about all the differences between the jk and jl
Great job gentleman. Tommy's Jk is quite similar to mine. Same color and many of the same type upgrades. Enjoying your channel.
Can't wait to see how the Jeep pickup truck turns out. It is coming, right?
Next April
yeah you can already find spy shots of it on the road.
it wont be like the old j10
Tommy, did you consider regearing your JK to 4.56 (or even 4.88 since you have manual, 35s and doing actual offroad)? This would be one of the best mods one could do to a JK hands down!
Need more Jeep videos! Loved the review and opinions. I have a JLUR with the Mopar 2” lift with 2.5” Fox shocks, 35” K02s with KMC XD832 wheels and absolutely love it.
Does the main TFL Crew ever dread Monday Morning? Only cooler jobs Fighter Pilot and Italian Super Car factory test driver!
I miss my JK. it was a 2010. No crazy mods on it, but it had 33’s and a couple tops to play with. Total slug on the highway, but it was awesome taking the doors off in the summer. I had too much of a commute to justify it. Can’t wait to pickup a Wrangler in the future ! Great review TFL
Bring on the 75 Mack videos!
Nice video. I was milling around in my head everything you guys talked about. Settled on a '18 JK Recon. Had everything I needed, nothing I didn't. And it was much cheaper with the current discounts than a similar JL. Both awesome rigs though. I look forward to more videos. Here is an idea, if you want. Do a tow test on the JK and JL. How well do those tow up the Ike? I'd love to see that, as many Jeepers tow campers and such.
I'm with Roman. The replacement for my JKUR will be a JTR. I also agree with Tommy that the JL sounds way better.
Hey TFL do you think my 01 4Runner 4x4 with a rear diff lock could make it up that?
The new ruby is sweet, but I'm with Roman, I'll save my credit score for a new JT ecodiesel...
Don't be surprised if when you get to the top you find a half rusted out '62 Jeep Wagoneer sitting there.
Why is the new MOAB a “higher” grade than the Rubi ? It seems the MOAB, other than the 33” wheels, is a 2016 75th Anniversary Edition (Sahara with Trak-Lok rear diff), no Tru-Lok or sway bar disconnect.
It has a locking dif! Thanks for the help! Going back up in a zr2 Thursday!
brad soyak Oh whoops haha! have fun!
Idk if it's the camera or what but this video definitely feels a notch above the rest
Why does Roman always wanna compare a Rubicon to yours ? You ever notice that ?
A jeep is a jeep = bad ass all the way around!
After a few years the JL has definitely had a lot more Recalls 🤢Then the much simpler less electronic mumbo-jumbo JK😃🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
You guys NEED to look at the new (to the U.S.) “side by side” by Mahindra, the “Roxor” - it’s an epic mashup of a brand new CJ2a, CJ3a, and CJ7...and I would venture to say its more “Jeep” than the JK or the JL!!!
Looked at a 2015 Lifted Jeep Sahara Unlimited for Sale. Runs well and clean except for the rust underneath the ride. Rust everywhere on the frame. Saw two small areas where rust has eaten through. Is this normal? Should I stay away from the purchase? Thanks
Major problems with JL'S already. Trackbar brackets and other welds on the frame are complete shit, with trackbar brackets ripping off after a few hundred highway miles and no offroading.
As always, wonderful videos. Love the interplay between Roman and Tommy. So natural, not forced and very informative. I must be honest, I am super impressed with the Jeep brand, it does what it says it can do, and more!
Why do they have such a hard on for manual transmission. 1 you can’t have a beer with a manual when off roading 2 when you get such it’s way more difficult to switch back and forth between d an r in manual. I’m just saying manual sucks, just my opinion.
My JK build is very similar. I just put an aussie locker in and it can run with the rubis all day now
Land Rover master race confirmed. No one else has such advanced automatic chassis lubrication systems.
Roman helping the Rover dudes wheeling is the best part .
LMAO!!!! “When he went sideways and up”!!!!!
Jk has a classic look to me
Maybe I'm wrong but I have been looking for a jeep and I dont think they offer anything truly rugged. If you get a Rubicon for off road ready set up it still has all the fancy power windows and electric shit everywhere. I want boat seats and a ice chest center console. I dont want to leave nice leather and carpet in the rain or take that much tech through a river crossing. I dont want a 50k off road toy I plan on abusing. I want an old beater with a modern engine and breaks
You guys can keep your jeep wranglers and I'll keep
my jeep zj and still go
anywhere that your pricey
wranglers do and still be in stile for a lot less money 💰😮haha 👍
I can’t take this review serious. Base model compared to rubicon. If your gonna do this review then call it what it is. It’s not old vs new it’s sport vs rubicon.
If you don't like the sound you can replace the muffler and get a throatier sound. (If you buy the correct muffler).
Did they make the JL longer or did they just make the back window larger it's hard to tell just by looking at it
How are you going to compare a sport to a Rubicon it is absolutely ridiculous they should’ve done apples to apples Rubicon to Rubicon