How to shoot and Grade Sony HLG. Ft. Gerald Undone!
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2020
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This is why I shoot HLG2. I hope this video sheds some light on Sony HLG2.
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Thanks for having me on, Lee! 🤓👊🍁
Gerald Undone I appreciate you helping out on this one dude 🙏🏼
Great video Lee! And well explained, Gerald. I know everything you mentioned but I do NOT think I could have executed an explanation as well as you did here!
Nice collab, guys!
Great video, BUT Im confused sorry... Gerald on his youtube chanel that video where he compares slog vs hlg vs cine at 07:50 comparing hlg3 with hlg2 says 2 is worse than 3. And on same video at the end of hlg part, his election is hlg3 for being slighlty, slighty more versatile than hlg straigh, but he wouldn t use hlg 1 or 2...
Finally! Been trying to find a video on how to correctly correct HLG (a lot of videos were on DaVinci Resolve). It was just the right aomunt of technicality & simplicity for me. Thanks so much!
This is eally helpful work-around. Great collaboration. Really clarifies the whole question of whether or not to use wide gamut formats on a 8 Bit camera and the advantages of HLG
Great content. You’ve gained a subscriber sir. I just ordered my first a7iii and looking forward to trying out the HLG 2
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Great to see some Gerald!
Gerald is everywhere now) I love that guy lol. Lee make more collaborations, even podcasts would be great
Very informative! I thoroughly enjoyed this one!
This is right on time. Much thanks.
This is really useful. Thanks for putting this together.
Yes. HLG seams pretty clean from noise. Footage from my GH5 with HLG looks so clear and detailed without those digital artefacts you can easily grasp from other footage. It actually reminds image from high end movie productions with very clear shadows and large dynamic scale than all other profiles in GH5. Problem comes when you try to edit and deliver with the same standards but I figured out the way. Definitely not a dictionary one and according to books but works and that’s most important.
This video made me switch from S-Log 2 to HLG2 to try it out, thanks Lee!
After a month, what is your verdict?
@@CamTalksTech looks like it was to much for him
like your vibe dude...good stuff. enjoyed your style of comparision. i'm leaning towards HLG now hehe..thanks
Wow clean image and wait what it allows 100 ISO. 👏 excellent comparison. Thanks for sharing
Thank you! Will try HLG someday..
thanks for your test of HLG, give us lots of help
Color grading is always one of my biggest struggles, and the thought of strugglin g with it prevents me from shooting at all sometimes. So this video was awesome for me 🤙 I have an a6300 so I am not sure if I have HLG2 or not, but watching you tweak the color settings helps me to know what to do. I have to rewatch what gerald said a few gimes to understand that better still
Phil J Drums pretty sure a6300 doesn’t have hlg but you can shoot in slog2
Huge fan of hlgtv for years. Backyard Bokeh, Save my Highlights, Love it or Log It, a very Zavitz renovation all great shows
Jon Burrows underrated comment
I'm just getting my feet wet in video color grading so it was really interesting for me seeing you work with color in video.
Really liking the collabs.
Jon Pais Thanks Jon
Only guy on UA-cam making me want a SONY camera.
Patrick Tomasso you would never be caught dead with a Sony
@@LeeZavitz you know me too well.
Very good instruction. helps a lot.
Lovin’ Your Work!
SPDTDL thanks!
Awesome resource for Sony users!
I’ve kindo switched to HLG3 halfway through last year and I’ve been loving it.
Slog-2 tends to have a purple tint on things especially in shadows and that doesn’t look natural or film like at all. I love the BT2020 wider color space of HLG, it works better for skin tones for me. It tends to cast more green ish, which is more film like. Kindo like how ARRI Cine cameras or Fujifilm photo camera tend to look.
Yeah Ive been using HLG3 for about a year now
Wider color space is not more color information. Its simply stretched on output to the card.
Great vid mate👍
Awesome info. thanks.
amazing man! thank you :D
I learned a lot from this video! ..........thought I have a pc, my main setup is LumaFusion with a Fuji xt30! I’m just getting into filming so, I’ve got a lot more to learn about color grading! And, no HLG on my Fuji, unfortunately!
Thanks , this is really useful
Thanks for watching
THANK YOU
Gj teaching how to just eyeball it. Thank you. Which sony profile would be best for low light
Awesome thanks! I have a question if you don’t mind. Say I choose gamma "still" and color mode "pro" on my Sony camera. Do I have to convert this profile to rec709 or should I just import it to davinci and start color correcting and a bit of grading? Thanks 😊
For HLG, you need HDR color space like Rec.2100, which is much larger than the Rec.709. This means, to truly see and reproduce the image, a HDR10+ capable monitor is required that can show the actual image in color space bigger than DCI-P3 (which most modern monitors can). Then, the consumption will need to also be the same way: HDR capable monitor with wider gamut capabilities. It's very hard to see and understand the real potential of HLG without proper reproduction of the image, especially online.
Great video!
Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there anything special to think about when exporting hlg-footage from Premiere? I basically just just put it at H.264, match source (high bitrate) and render at maximum depth, and I found that the footage falls apart when it's exported, but not in Premiere. I use the A7III, with HLG 2 (BT. 2020).
Maybe there's something else I've done wrong? I'm very new to this.
Thanks in advance.
as far as camrea settings go, would you have ISO on auto for these clips and focus the camera on a set frame speed and aperture that doesnt change?
@UCTc_AeO-lZzigNewmMPcs9g,
I want to understand if the colors in the final videos depend on color styles with cine style or if they are treatments after pre-production
Hi Lee! Do you decrease in camera sharpening in your HLG picture profile or leave it on the default of 0? Do you sharpen at all in post?
Awesome video. Do you need to over expose for HLG2? Thanks.
How do you correct the green tint when importing bt2020 working in a 708 timeline?
Hi, recently purchased a Sony A7CII, can you do a video tutorial how to shoot (what settings to choose) and output 4K HDR video with Final Cut Pro?
That's cool Lee!! So do you confirm that you have to work in rec709 color workspace in timeline right? Thanks
I have a new Sony A7IV, and I have a shoot coming up to where I need to use my GH5 also. If you were to ty and match them, should I shoot in HLG on both?
I plan on using a grey card and recording a Color chart, the Spyder Checker 24. Any tips on using 2 different cameras and getting them to match?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
great
hey I'm going to film a wedding in hlg is it okay to use them at receptions, I'm worried about using it in any low light.
what make you to prefer more hlg2 than the cine2 or cine4?
thanks
When shooting with Slog3
Exposure +2 is recommended
So what about the HLG3?
Hey Lee! I loved the video. I have a question on your highlight recovery. I shot a couple over exposed clips to test highlight recovery but when I lower exposure or my highlights everything that is clipped at 100 stays clipped and lowers. I don't get any new information back by lowering it. Am I doing something different? Thank you Lee!
If your footage was clipping when recording then its "Baked in" - the only way you'd be able to recover something over 100 is if you push it to clip in post.
Hey Lee great video. I shoot a lot of real estate and typically shoot slog and agree things fall apart in low light, which I deal with often. Think I’m going to try HLG2. I’m a bit confused on the BT2020 stuff though, so premiere will automatically convert to Rec709 upon import??
It is backwards compatible to rec709. But not as much luminance or color information than 10 bit log would provide.
How do you change my timeline to 709 in Premiere?
That highlight recovery on HLG is crazytown banana pants.
Yeah man. As Gerald informed me. HLG is log on the highlight side of things. So it’s great for highlight recovery but not so good for shadow recovery. But I still love shooting in it
Hlg 3 😎
So it’s PP10 default settings with saturation at -1. Everything else is left alone, correct?
I actually like HLG, so much easier to edit and colour grade and big benfit is useing lower ISO values.
interesting, so this seems like it has way more Dr then cine profiles, right?
How much more can you recover from highlights like at 8:59 compared to Cine4?
Any good to reduce shooting video noise on hlg 2?
nice video :=) i made also a video about this topic but it is in HDR^^
Talk to me like i’m 5.
Gerald Undone: Here’s a graph showing a linear curve
Me: okay
Joke aside, learnt a lot from you guys. Thanks.
Hi Lee, how are you converting HLG3 BT2020 to Rec709 in premiere? Are you using a LUT to do so?
It is backwards compatable to rec 709. Just drag and drop. You can get a conversion LUT but it may just darken the entire image. Just use some curves to to adjust your black white into 16-235 to have the details in those areas visible in rec709. Its not a complicated thing. Its a consumer option meant for consumers who wanted to shoot a file that displays direct to an HDR capable screen. Consumer electronics play to sell tvs is all it was back in the day.
So does premiere automatically transform bt2020 footage to rec 709?
hey bro why did you stop using Fujifilm? Lets discuss 😁
I have a question: do you just import the HLG footage in the timeline or do you first have to set the timeline in rec709? Because I don't find that setting anywhere. Or how do you otherwise convert the HLG to rec709 before dropping it into the timeline? Thanks!
Depends on what you are editing in. Resolve and premiere convert to 709 when you drop it in. In Final Cut I think you have to change project colour space to 709
@@LeeZavitz I forgot the mention the question was about Adobe premiere pro! So just drop it and then apply the correction LUT will do the trick?
Really informative video. Do you change any of the default setting for hlg2
Waqar Mahmood just -1 on saturation
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If you grade the picture so that a well-lit, bright-white sheet of paper is at 75% HLG (no saturation), you'll have a picture that looks "right" on SDR.
im trying to over expose with HLG2 like you do in the video (starting at 08:50 ) and recover the highlights, but when i reduce the exposure like you do it seems to have lost the data and doesn't recover. Was there a step you missed out on showing?
I’m not sure? Maybe you overexposed further than 2 stops in some of the highlights. I wouldn’t over expose in practice. I was just trying to show how far you could push it if you messed up your exposure.
@@LeeZavitz i see, i'll have to do some more tests. thanks :)
Can you make a video comparing HLG 2 vs HLG3? Would appreciate it since I'm now used to work with HLG3
Lazaro Salmeron HLG3 has slightly more dynamic range but also more noise.
I use hlg 2 under bright conditions as noise is less than hlg3 and use hlg3 on bright conditions as it gives high dynamic range and no noise to worry about. Yea, love to see a video on that too. cheers!
what metering mode did you use?
Gerlad is cameras linus tech
please help me i cant seem to recover any blownout highlight detail on hlg in davinci resolve. is this a feauture of premiere pro?
This was help me.
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How do you not get noise ? i keep my iso no more then 400 and i still get noise.
Do you export in HDR?
So do you use no correction Luts for HLG2 did not know that was possible, certainly not for HLG or HLG 3 or am I mistaken?
I don’t really use luts. They never give a desired look I want
Did you use Rec709 or BT2020. I used Bt2020 and skintone are always green =/
Bt2020
Did you shoot in raw or jpeg?
Why do you use HLG2 over HLG3?
Hi! How are you converting HLG3 BT2020 to Rec709 in premiere? Are you using a LUT to do so?
If the colour space of the project is rec709 it auto converts it
@@LeeZavitz Thanks Lee! Greetings from Brazil 😀
Why wouldn't you use HLG3 profile instead of HLG2? Will the noise level increase that much?
Kiss Mr & Mrs in shadows yes
Why did you decide on HLG2 vs HLG or HLG3?
MinWoo Park I liked the look of it. Has less noise than hlg3
Just a correction on noise, there isn't a difference in noise between profiles as long as you are actually exposing them properly. ISO3200 HLG2 does not expose the same as ISO3200 SLOG2, therefore a direct comparison for noise is pointless.
theres a difference in noise, from my analysis sony applies noise reduction to some gamma, not to slog. also yes iso 3200 for hlg2 does not expose the same as slog2, but the higher the iso you go the more noise, therefore if you go higher for slog you get more noise, now youd have to come in post and reduce overall exposure to get them balance, requiring more work with potentially more problems.
How to remove the green color from HLG2 ?
Bring the Hue vs Hue Curve up but just a little. Often it fixes the light green touch with sony cameras
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how to expose for HLG 2. is it at ev 0.0 or +0.7 ?
I aim around that area. +0.7
@@LeeZavitz I want to ask you Mr. lee can i used auto iso with exposure compensation to get right overexposed . 7 or 1 ev after the auto iso right exposure meter to 0.0mm automatically?
and what a zepra level for hlg2?
I hope you will answer me 🌹🌹
I’m a FCPX editor.
Why did you go for HLG2 over HLG3?
No real reason I just like how it looks
From what I've seen in another gerald undone video, hlg3 is slightly superior to hlg2. May want to look into switching to hlg3.
If you don’t care about noise there’s slightly more dynamic range in hlg3. I still prefer hlg2
@@LeeZavitz ah OK. Thanks for the clarification. I think because hlg2 is slightly more linear and hits true black sooner? so helps to bury the noise. Maybe I will do hlg2 for low light and hlg3 for outdoors. Thanks Lee!
Bt2020 or 709?
Mentioned in the video
Does it AF better than sLOG2?
wmosleycr7 I’m not sure. I know that shooting in clog on my canon 5div the autofocus is worse than if I shoot in any other profile. But Sony has much better autofocus system so that is something I would have to test
Yes it does. Autofocus works much worse with slog profile on A7 III than any other profile, especially in low light.
what you're saying now that the siii is out?
it is called s from slog, baby!
Makes more sense to shoot slog on the a7siii cuz it’s 10bit
Everything was fine until... you compared to the Slog2. With all do respect that comparison was a huge mistake. It actually contradics what Gerald explained. Slog has other uses, other methods of exposure, shadows/highlights recovery, etc. Comparing it to HLG without the right tools/scenarios makes it like apples and oranges. Anyway, good video. I mostly use HLG3, but ´ll be trying HLG2 soon!
Why not HLG 3?
Up same question here
HLG did not work for me. The best I got was with Slog2 with ITU Matrix709 overexposed by 2 stops. I am not an expert, but I don't know why HLG did not work for me. Maybe I am grading it wrongly. Why cant we have a consensus on this. Everyone has his own theories.
because video is subjective. slog2 has more dynamic range but can be problematic in low light and requires more grading.
Exposing LOG is not that hard. You have more dynamic range color information than HLG. HLG is never used how it was intended because the “shooting for HDR” fad died. Its just a display format now as all the main cameras have always been able to record more than a display can show.
3200 hi iso??? haha
color balance white, color balance black - no. its blue man. not prof, and face greeeennnn
Why HLG2 and not HLG3?
Can we output footages shot in HLG to 4k Monitor like feelworld LUT6 for preview ?