SurRon E-Throttle Shootout and Install - Domino vs. Magura vs. Stock
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Hey everyone. In today's video we are going to be comparing throttles. Enjoy!
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Our EMBtuner app now allows people with our controller to set their own throttle votlages for free - tuning session no longer needed.
This is what the people needed 💯
Hey @SurRonster Which throttle you have ?
I got a magura E with my x260 and NEVER tried the OEM throttle. So I was lucky at first, no deadzone, newer style revised cable, THOUGHT it was great. It eventually would stop at random, left me stranded MILES from my truck. Got home, re-meshed the gears, dealt with perfection at first, dead @500 miles, meshed and jiggles wires to find the potentiometer was wiggin out. Now it works but has the noted 10% "deadzone" and WAY WAY limited power. Very frustrating. Wouldn't recommend Magura to ANYONE. Way too expensive, unreliable, and CS in non-existent IMO. Ended up going back to stock 🤔🥺🤗
My first bike came with cable, my second came with the E-Throttle. I prefer the cable.
Thanks for the great info.
Awesome comparison idea, keep it up guys!!
Great comparison! Thanks guys!
Domino $100 shop around...Hands down best...magura didn't work out for me...junk. Great vid guys..
Get the hall sensor version cause the pot version doesn't hold very long, mine died after one year of intensive use.
OMG you guys read my mind. Was going to ask if you had mounted a DOMINO E-THROTTLE yet because I’ve had one for months but has more wires than the stock e-throttle. Yes the stock SR e-throttle sucks & I have hated it because it’s more than a 1/4 turn. It’s weird because it’s just a little more than a 1/4 turn and so uncomfortable having to double grab the damb thing ! Seriously the DOMINO comes on a lot of e-motorcycles in Europe. One thing I do is put a lite coating of grease on the last 3” of the handle bars to keep the throttle tube moving freely at all times. I’ve done this for years on my dirt bikes. Plastic throttle tubes can work for years with no problem if using a little grease on your bars. Great information and saves us a phone call.
we need a thumb throttle!
I love your detailed breakdowns. Just a suggestion for future videos, you should do a breakdown of ASI settings such as optimal settings for specific types of batteries (60v/60v with bypass/72v, the most extreme settings that each battery can handle for short periods of time, and most importantly what each setting means and how it affects the bike.
Already have a video on this called how to program your e-moto Bros ASI kit :)
@@emotobros Oh wow, I actually watched that video when you guys first released it. I just spaced out and forgot about it lol.
Any idea of when the update is coming out for being able to switch from the 72v battery to stock?
Technically you can switch at the moment but it isn’t exactly safe to do so because there is not an accurate LVC and also it’s a bit glitchy with saving.
The magura throttle tube is quite short. The grip that comes with the generic magura ethrottle fits perfect but it’s tiny lol. It works okay on my scooter but is certainly not good on my Sur Ron .
What’s the best throttle for holding a steady constant speed? My dad wants to maintain a steady speed without the sensation of an on/off switch.
Apparently, I have to install resistors on mine...
It cuts out, if you twist fast, and shuts off at a certain range. I found a diagram to get around that.
exactly what i was looking for!
I have the domino throttle on my onyx rcr and it felt really cheap when installing it. But it’s a very recommended upgrade to the stock throttle. But I will say I like the sur ron stock throttle because the extra stiffness on the domino will gives you cramps on long distance rides. For what you guys do tho I can see it working a lot better.
I was going to agree that stiffness isn't best when you're doing long range stuff. Better when you're eating dirt off road.
Is the domino still working ? The pot inside mine started to be jerky as it wears of
Great video guys! As someone who has owned and rode with all 3 throttles, I can say hands down that the Domino throttle is the best!!!! Feels close to my KTM throttle. The stiffer spring tension helps to hold consistent throttle over rough terrain. The only thing better would be a Domino with a metal housing!
Really wish they would’ve done that for $130
They don't have any other three wire throttles ?
Nice GMT Master Rolex...
One thing you didn't mention in your test is that the magura throttle, after just a few months of hard use we'll start getting spots in the potentiometer that are rough and glitchy. Causing the bike not to have smooth throttle response. I've literally replaced half a dozen of these on my electric dirt bikes over the years. A couple years ago I switch to the Domino, and even though it's much more expensive in the end it pays for itself. Condensation gets inside the and ruins the potentiometer inside the magura. The higher dollar Domino is waterproof. Been running it for about a year-and-a-half I never had a problem on either of my bikes.
I know this is old, but you've explained my EXACT issue. I got a magura and NEVER EVER used a stock 😅. At 500 miles my throttle started to get "glitchy" in eco-mode, and I do use it around town or on longer trips. Thought it was normal for eco I didn't know. First E-dirt bike! Had my bike in the bed of my truck going home and got caught in light rain.... Following day I'm at the skatepark and throttle input stops. All sensors gone BUT kick-stand. Power cycled bike and cleaned kick sensor, all good again!? Next day... I'm 2 miles from my truck POACHING city spots, bike tried to "slow roll" in sport mode at a few 🛑? Power cycled bike, NO THROTTLE! Walked FAR back to truck. Did DEEP diagnosis and started to suspect hall sensor. Tapped the throttle housing with screwdriver 🪛 and throttle kicked on HARD. LUCKILY bike was in a stand but it tried to jump off! Pulled apart Magura, and wiggles potentiometer and wires and got it working but now had way lower throttle input and stops whenever it wants. 😢 Suddenly has the dead-spot I NEVER had before either. Glad it's just the throttle but man I was so disappointed!
I think you hit the nail in one swing. Mine was on the fritz, and I think the rain while hauling finished off that potentiometer!!! CS won't even reply. What a TERRIBLE PRODUCT iMO. Waiting on the "newer" OEM Surron dual sensor now to see how that goes.... Wish I found comments like yours before these issues ❤
I agree the grip on the DOMINO is way too big/thick and just needs a nice thin half waffle RENTHAL grip or any other normal thin MX grip is all.
fark, pretty fast bike there dude
Should have added the pre 2019 cable throttle to the shootout
i have a new Sur ron e throttle for nearly a year and still haven't installed it, im still using cable throttle :)
Haha same here, the factory cable snapped after 2 weeks on mine because of a lack of grease, i bought 2 spare throttle cables and the electric throttle at once and i’m still using the mechanical throttle combined with a metal quick throttle from eBay :)
Good timing once again. I got my Domino about a week ago and haven't had time to install. I'll be setting up a tuning session soon. Any more info coming about your batteries?
Extremely Amazing on domino, wish it was plastic. Can you change it or no
I have a the magura throttle hooked up to the stock controller, and if I full throttle it just cuts out. Any idea how to fix this?
I had different stock wire colors and am trying to replace with a domino throttle. My stock controller wires were black, blue and brown. I traced back to the throttle connector and matched the stock throttle colors. For these colors,
black = black (ground)
Green = blue (signal)
Red = brown (5v+)
If you have these wires exposed after cutting your stock throttle (brown, blue and black) then you'll need to connect it like this to follow the video:
Stock Black = Domino white
Stock blue = domino black
Stock brown = domino blue
Hope this helps.
Thank you mate for explaining what wire is ground, signal, and power 👍
All these other videos just tell what wire goes without saying ground ,signal , power
I am looking to get a new throttle but really like thumb throttles and the Urmosi has always been one of the best. Unfortunately they only work with cable throttles. Any idea if it is possible to convert mine to a cable instead of the electronic style that comes stock now? Makes me wish I had an older model with the cable style.
nice!
My magura throttle keeps giving power for a second after I let off of it it like lags any idea how to fix?
Am I the only one that has all eyes on the watch and not paying attention to what he saying or doing nice watch brother real classy
Can the domino throttle work on arrow 10 ebike ?
Where can I buy a stock Segway x260 throttle?
How about comparing the longevity?
Magura was used on the Zero X & MX from 2009
After a while they all fail and get jerky ,Total rubbish, avoid like the plague
Always get the Domino 👍🏻
Domino throttle with a T-Rex housing?
i had the same problem with the screw chewing into the plastic housing -- 110 bucks it should be metal - love the throttle - how do you tune - i am on an electric motion
Hi thinking of buying a Sur Ron throttle for stealth bomber ebike but confirmed what size grips both 22mm or 22 and 24
yo dudes, have really been enjoying all your surron videos. i'm a newbie when it comes to a lot of this stuff and your detailed reviews have really helped me out
I had to replace my stock e-throttle on my early 2020 MY sur ron and the replacement throttle was much snappier and had less dead spot. Normally i would have thought it was a placebo but i have two bikes and the replacement was better than either. Im somewhat convinced they updated it at some point however i havent opened them up and compared the location of the hall effect sensors.
Spring is still too light but oh well, i mostly ride on the street where its less annoying
Nice video guys, did you post a link for the domino throttle can’t find it. Thanks
Fixed!
Could these throttles be attached to the new Kaabo Wolf King GT sine wave addition? to replace the basic 3 wire thumb throttle that comes as stock?
Straight gettin it in the yard
I have a question about the domino throttle. I'd like to use a protaper 3 inch riser handlebars but this throttle only fits 7/8 handle bars. Will this fit the protapers bars? Sorry if it was in the comments I wasn't able to find it.
Does the stock throttle need to be tuned if it’s being replaced?
It shouldn't need to be.
Can the standard surron throttle be tuned has mine has play/delay in Eco it's not cable ??
What seat do you have on the bike and forget have extra cushion
What colors go to what on the domino unit
Can you replace stock early cable throttle with domino electric throttle ..
I’m sure it’s possible but it’s a bit more complicated since you’ll need to extend the domino wires down to the potentiometer
Will this work on the talaria sting with the stock controler
Are they gonna make a domino plug n play
Wells done 🤙🏻
im still running the stock x controller atm will that need to be re-tuned for a new throttle?
4:50 YOU HAVE A BIRDS NEST IN YOUR BASH GUARD MOTO BRO
Bro is there any hope of being able to fix/rewire if the wires got ripped out where they connect to the throttle?
If you can solder then back to the potentiometer than most likely you can.
@@emotobros yup took it apart and there’s absolutely no chance of getting in there.. next one is definitely getting reinforced with electrical tape. Thanks for the help though!
only thing keeping me from buying the domino is having to retune....
Nice submariner 👌🏼 I see it
🤝🤝 good eye
@@emotobros surrons and watches good taste haha
Hey emotobros, I have your controller with a chi battery. I want to install a domino throttle. Can I do the throttle calibration off your app?
wouldn't it make more sense to adjust the throttle cut off points to reduce the amount of rotation that you need to do or you can't do that with surron motor controller?
This is an option but isn’t ideal for a couple of reasons. The main one is that fidelity is lost when you artificially change the limits of the throttle. This makes finessing the throttle quite challenging. If you’re running low power this is potentially a non issue. However, super high power setups benefit from having that bottom end torque control.
@@emotobros okay thanks for answering 🙂👍
What light is that?!?!! So sick!
Check out parts link in the description 🤘🏽
Nice watch! Don’t scratch that rolly!
Thanks! Wouldn’t dream of it 😤
For anyone who’s gotten the new version of the domino throttle:
White - black
Blue - brown
Black - blue
You mean the newer Surron throttle wire colors are Black,Blue,Brown the domino is still lt.blue, black, white.
@@scottdmartin did you have to reprogram your controller after hooking up the Domino throttle or did it work immediately?
@@chrisclaudino3085 domino runs at like around .035v - 4.956
So you need to re calibrate
Your stock throttle is at .887v - 4.297 or something so it will think it’s cracked open a bit when you install a domino
still didn't work.
@Scott Martin can this be done with the controller in settings? Or do I need to add a resistor to the throttle wiring? I have fardriver 84530 qs138 90h. Not a sur Ron but still hall sensor motor.
Can the headlight be adjusted so that it's not pointed up? If so can I buy one of those mounts?
It is a 3D printed mount that we don’t currently sell, I just made it for personal use. We do have a video on how to modify the stock bracket for use with that headlight though if you want to check that out.
@@emotobros ok! Thanks for the reply! If you do end up selling those I'd be interested. A full plug and play kit might sell well 😉
I had bought the Magura throttle and I swear the stock throttle was better. Supposedly, the latest batch of Sur Rons have a really snappy throttle now. Great video content again. Cheers.
Yeah stock actually isn’t horrible, just a bit limp and a long throw. Magura was a huge let down especially considering it’s more than stock! Thanks for support as always 🤘🏽
I like my stock throttle compared to my domino on my onyx.
This is a 60v machine. What size resistors did you install?
The bikes comes with a built in step down converter 👍🏽
Where can I buy the circular led's headlights?
Hello, all are parts can be found linked in the description. If there is no link they’re no longer sold where we got them.
Uh yea guys, I didn’t install the second throttle right… so I didn’t like that about it. Disappointed, wish they could fix that problem. Good thing I moved the throttle tube over to the correct position. Now it works for some reason. They should probably look into that
Could I switch the throttle to the left instead? I’m left handed
It can go on either side but on the left the throttle would roll forward and not back which may feel awkward.
@@emotobros oh ok
Domino throttle does not work for 2021+ Sur-Ron models. Tried it today, did not work on any number of combinations.
White - black
Blue - brown
Black - blue
this may work for newer domino's but not with newer su-ron's.
There is not anything that changed in 2021. Did you change the throttle voltage to match?
@@emotobros No I did not. I thought the throttle only has a resistance (R) with a potentiometer that goes from R to 0. Had no idea about voltages - how would I do about changing the voltage to match? I also have a discussion on ua-cam.com/video/62XAtONWKVY/v-deo.html with another sur-ron poster where he (along with other commenters) also acknowledges that the Domino does not work on Post Feb-2021 Sur-rons. I'm suspecting a change in the controller software that expects a different resistance and 5k might not be recognised any more. My 2c, happy to test whatever you suggest though. My, measured, Domino resistance is 5.2k btw.
Wait are you saying it doesn’t work on stock controller or on the BAC4000?
@@emotobros Stock - I do not have the BAC4000. I'm guessing a misunderstanding but searching for the Domino led me here and I saw no mention of the BAC4000 until your comment right now that made me research it more. Yeah, stock controller it is :)
Ahh that makes more sense. Not super surprising it doesn’t work with stock controller since the voltage range is so different from stock. With BAC4000 you can easily change voltage range to work with any throttle.
Do all these work with sagway x260?
They do
Why not swap back to the cable throttle?
Cable usually comes with their own list of problems. Namely cable stretch, cable corrosion and the use of an external potentiometer/encoder.
@@emotobros my first surron had cable I really liked it. Just ordered a new one. Will be my first electric throttle. Will see how it goes. Sounds like some needs to make a spring upgrade for the stock throttle.
New sur rons have a black, orange/brown and l. blue throttle wires. Anybody been able to hook them up properly?
Wondering myself
@@signaturestreetballmoves black orange/brown blue = black red green. The 3wire from the controller that the throttle clip plugs into has the original colors and they match up.
Why are you wearing sunglasses indoors
HE DEFINITLY WEARS HIS SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT
What, bro, if you're going off a jump, you're going to lead off the throttle. 90% of the time, unless you're literally goofing all. Also, if you take a jump and you gun the throttle in the air you run the risk. of stripping the grid. out of your belt drive. These aren't. dirt bikes. So we get no revenue in the air. Unfortunately,
Long story short, keep the stock throttle.
🙈🙈🙈 70$ for changing 2 voltage . Most important of domino you don t know ... but nice backjard track
Yeah we know it’s rough but the $70 is actually includes a full custom tuning session where we will dial in the bike perfectly. We used to have everything at $35 regardless of who you bought it from but too many people were taking advantage of that price point and it costs us multiple 1000s per year just to use the remote software.
Sorry, but I'm not impressed with this review approach. Definitely, I may be ignorant of the whole topic, and I'll talk more about that, later. First, in your consideration of these throttles you've only looked at the mechanical aspects: smoothness, return spring rate, and degree of turn. Because videos can be paused and rerun I was immediately dismissive when you claimed the stock throttle had too much turn when 2:51 shows it's less than 1/4 turn. You said you wanted something with less turn/quicker action, but you only compared the degree with the Magura at 7:58 which showed it was also less than 1/4 turn. And, as far as I can tell the Domino isn't any less than 1/4 turn, either, although you subjectively say it feels like 3/16. Then, you only ride the Domino and not the Magura.
I'm a stickler for this, because I've done lots of throttle testing on motorcycles and know you have to take precise measurements to know what degree turn a throttle actually is, and I also know that quicker turn throttles - 1/5 or 1/6 - are sometimes too quick and actually degrade control. People like the idea of a quick action throttle but in practice it's not so simple.
I feel I'm ignorant on this topic because you say the throttles have to be programmed. My thinking is that these are all electronic throttles, so the mechanical aspects play some part in the feel/response, but wouldn't the primary quality of these throttles be determined by the twist/response ratio, which is something that can only be felt when actually riding the bike?
Questions:
1. Can any/all of these throttles (even the stock one) have their twist/response quality altered by programming/tuning? Or is it just a matter of getting the controller seeing "in-spec" voltages?
2. Luna Cycle also sells a "cable throttle conversion kit" which is a traditional cable throttle mated to an electronic box. Wouldn't this be a valid alternative, as then one could mate whatever motorcycle throttle he or she is used to with that kit?