This dialogue is straight out of the book ALMOST word for word. I still get goosebumps when I hear the text voiced by great actors such as Ms. Heady and Mr. Bean
@@ToppeThrane I mean she's married to actor Marc Menchaca. Calling a woman by "Miss" is a sign of respect especially here in the American South. I always call my boss Miss _her name here_ and most of my employees call me by Miss before my first name as well even though I'm married.
For all cerseis faults, she was at least intelligent enough to know Ned was the only person with integrity and honesty that she felt she could freely share these details with
Hiw is that an intelligent decision? Confirming to your political opponent that he is, in fact, right about his deductions that can very easily land you in a grave.
No. Robert cheated on Cersei and even raped her. Robert Baratheon is a real monster and Lyanna is very lucky that she did not become Robert's toy, which he will break physically and mentally
Not true , Jamie and cerci were together waaaaaaay before she ever even was thought of for Robert. She is doing what most people do . Shes fitting the lie into a true story
@@uglyclownface9216 she intended to stay faithful in her marriage but she could not take what he did, she is a prideful person and her relationship with her brother is a form of vanity.
@ironlungslc9529 I get what you mean, Cersi was bad but she was good at it lol. I loved when she took revenge. It was always oddly satisfying, don't get wrong she's still a bad person. But she was so good at it, it was hard to hate💀🤣🤣
That's the worst part, because she's dead she's like this saint or goddess. Bobby doesn't know his girl ditched him for a married man with children, who's much older, kind of a religious fanatic, and is pretty much abusive of his wife.... Pretty damn stupid to love someone this much.
And this dialog, although self-centered and selfish, is relatable and why these early seasons are pure gold. This show was a master class on power dynamics
@@n0obz27 not the incest part.😂😂 I'm guessing her tragedy of marrying someone who doesn't love her, but abuses her. Or her love for her children maybe.
Btw no it wasn't word for word here came from the book everyone says the show was so good till later seasons 😂😂😂yeah till they ran out of books to copy and paste and they just said f it when it came to the last 2 released books that's why season 5 was the last with this great conversations
@@Daniel-ug4puExactly lmao these guys act like this show would be good if not for GRRM. its literally a copy paste of his work lol. and then they complain that it became bad when they "ran out of book material" as though they didnt almost entirely skip adapting all the content from books 4 and 5. Even major plot points from the earlier books were changed for no reason, like Robb's campaign and a lot of Cat's story (including Lady Stoneheart)
@@staciasmith5162I dont the women deserved everything robert gave her dont forget jaime is how he is because of her he was in the kings guard because of her
You can hate Cersei all you want, I don't think she lied at any moment here. I think she genuinely wanted to be with Robert until she realized he will never love her.
@@tavernadoeogan0187 Actually, Cersei had always been this way. She'd always been a narcissist, since she was young and visited the witch, she wanted power, you can see that on how delighted she was when she realized that she and her children would rule (she just stopped smiling when she was told that her children would die). She was just offended that someone "as perfect as her" was less desired by the king than a dead woman.
She was extremely proud, and the most beautiful woman in the kingdoms. Her father raised her with the expectation she would be queen. To have him react like that wounded her pride more than anything. I think it was the last thing she expected
@@tetezinhageek2163 true she all that, but the monster she became at the end? No. She was selfish, yes, narcissistic, true, but she had not gone far enough to kill for the sake of killing. Most of the time , she shoulderd the blame for what Joffrey did. It wasn't just the lack of love, Robert was very violent with her when he was drunk and while he was ashamed of what he did to her when sober, he just blamed the wine and continued the cycle all over again. Not to mention , because of this he saw fit to warm his bed with other women instead of his own wife when sober, further insulting her.Her own father saw her as nothing more than a broodmare to further the line and treated her as such.She was a bad person, but it was her circumstances that made her a monster.
This is a prime example of how sticking to the source material is a million times better than subverting expectations with showriters. This dialog is so much better than everything after season 4.
Sure, after season 4 HBO could have put the show on hiatus for 30 years waited out the last 2 books and in 2045 recast the actors and continued the series with "source material" 🙄.
@@Cloudipy Yes, "actor". There's no need to specify that she's female because 1, that would be redundant, and 2, insisting on the feminine form implies that there's something inherently different about women who act that separates them from men who act, and that this difference makes them, by necessity, incapable of measuring up to their male counterparts, when we know for a fact that women can and do act at least as well as the best male actors. You're insisting on a dichotomy of skill and talent that does not exist.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Did you read that comment back before you posted it? My perspective could only possibly be "biased" if I was "biased" *against* gendered bias, and you would only think that if you yourself were biased *in favour of* gendered bias.
But his character didn’t change, which is what I respected from the show in the first season. If he schemed with Petyr then it would be stupid writing.
@@DC-nw3ucnaw, i dont think Robert would have killed any of them.. honestly, i think deep down he knew none of the kids were his, he was just past the point of cating about anything anymore to really bring it up/look into it. He would probably just divorce her and have them all evicted at most. Well, maybe Jaime,l woyld die but thats more because he also broke his vows by sleeping with cersei. But then again, he probably wouldnt really give a fuck about that either, especially since that owuld result in a ear with tywin.
@@santijauregui459 it's mainly cuz of LF. If Ned agreed to LF and took Lannisters as prisoners as LF suggested, Ned could've been the King after getting rid of Stannis and Renly of course.
Cersei "do you love your children?" Eddard "with all my heart!" Cersei "No more than I love mine!" Eddard "...and they're all Jaime's." Cersai "thank the gods!" 😂😂😂
I hate they couldnt deliver with this show. It was so goddamn magnificent, only for them to just fumble in the endzone. One of the biggest upsets in TV for me was how this show ended on a whimper instead of a roar.
They were given the green light to put the show on hiatus since the HBO approved a 12 season run but the creators were "bored" of the show and wanted it over
Rpz impressionante como tem comentários de pessoas assim como tu ....que n fica feliz por ter assistido uma ótima série e sim fica com raiva e lembra apenas das coisas ruins
For all of Cersei's failings, and being a total P.O.S lets be real, I love that in the few moments where she lets her guard down we see a hint of her humanity. She's a proud Lannister who's father basically delegated her to just being a "brood mare" , her marriage with Robert started hopefull but turned spitefull because of his drinking and cheating; and the only relationship she has that makes her feel happy whatsoever, the one with Jaime, is completely taboo.
@@roleoahotondji54 It was during a flashback where she threatens to have a soldier scoop out the eyes of a shaman woman living in her father's forest if she doesn't give her a fortune of the future. The woman says she's cursed to have 3 kids and have each of them die
I love the way George Martin writes! It's so three-dimensional his bad guys aren't solid bad and his good guys aren't solid good they're real people very three-dimensional❤
@@nerddom-square Yeah but Tommen killed himself bc he realized his mother went batshit crazy and killed his wife along with thousands of people. So technically Cersei's insanity and tyranny was everyone's undoing including her own.
Because at the beginning, they had the books to guide them. Then the author had writers block ( or a serious case of fuck it all I made enough money), and D&D had to come up with something themselves. They are obviously airheads
@Mustang-bk4ns Admitting the incest? Admitting all of her children are Jamie's "Thank the gods," which means also, politically, this can and will be used to attempt to invalidate Joffrey's right to the throne. Maybe the personal stuff about her marriage and Robert may have been ok, even though Cersei is not generally a character willing to show emotional vulnerability. But the rest, no way. I agree that in some way this is nice for her to be able to admit things she's lied about for so long. Sure. But it also feels like a classic "I'm going to tell you, but now I have to kill you" moment.
@@SwollenostrichTMbut I don't think she meant for him to die. She wanted him sent to the wall, because she knew killing him would start a war. Still crazy that she admitted all this, because even at the wall, he could spread rumors all over.
@@LBF522he was a good man. It was stupid, but he knew that Robert would have killed her and her children, who were blameless, apart Joffrey of course.
To be 100% honest after watching this show a second or third time I see things very differently. If I had this conversation with Cersei I wouldn't have been as combatative about it anymore. Or at the very least he could've been alive if he sided with Renly and took his offer. After watching this show a second time I see how much of a fool he was. Good man and good intentions but very bad decisions and trusting the wrong people. Should've trusted Renly over Peter that was his first big mistake. This show would've gone much better and different than it did but I guess that's the nature and lesson of the story. You have to be a good man but you must be wise and a good judge of character with the strong conviction to do what must be done.
Well said. Ned didn’t want to play the game, but the problem is, the game doesn’t care. He needed to be more strategic than this and messed up. Didn’t deserve the consequences of course, but it’s still like dude… you need to be more careful ffs!
Robert loved Lyanna. Cersei loved Rhaegar. But instead, they loved each other and died because of it. Now, instead of Rhaegar and Lyanna on the throne, we have essentially their jealous spiteful exes
I don't think Robert even really loved Lyanna. Over the years, he grew to love the idea of who she was rather than the actual person. He hated that something he was due (their betrothal) was taken from him. Even Ned says in the books that he knew Robert wouldn't have remained true to Lyanna, it just wasn't in his nature to be monogamous.
It must have felt good, to be as evil and cold as Cersei was. But finally tell the truth. And have someone who would hear everything, fairly before judging her. I’m sure Ned did not like the incest, but he also knew who Robert was. And most there was a moment where someone(Ned) felt for Cersei.
its good that cersei and ned understand eachother, and that ned was allowed to return to winterfell and live happily ever after with his beautiful family.
It doesn't seem so odd, does it.. how she became what she did.. married away to a man she admired and worshipped, she got to be queen, but for what price?. Now she's stuck in that world, she has to play the game.. We can dislike her all we want, because those we like more, who are more honorable, those she tries to get rid of, kill off... But when it comes down to it, it's not hard to understand why she grew sour.
Cersei was messed up and evil at times but like most GOT characters there were many layers to her. This scene reveals her motivations for hating and eventually killing Robert and when you hear her side of things you can at least understand why she was the way she was. It doesn't make me like her but at least it makes me have some sympathy for her, and for all the noble women of Westeros who were traded like commodities for political gain by their families.
@@rhiannongreen2642 if that’s true then yeah she was cheating but it sounded like she was just like every other girl obsessed with him and was loyal until he started forcing her drink and all
Imagine him knowing this woman's brother lover permanently disabled his son trying to kill the son. He would know his assumed bastard who was his sister 's son would be murdered at her direction.
She didn’t disrespect Lyanna. Lyanna disrespected herself by laying with a married man. For real. Cersei had every right to be spiteful about Robert calling her Lyanna on their wedding night . She was dead and she never loved Robert. He was just delulu.
@@neishasurprise484Robert wanted Lyanna but because of the oath he married Cersei. What are you talking about? Cersei was always a bratty bitter evil girl
@@babyt556 I never said Cersei wasn’t those things but it doesn’t deny the fact that Robert married House Lannister for the power they could provide and she was his lawful wedded wife. Coveting a dead girl who never loved him and ran away with a married man on him is just gross and delusional. Cersei had every right to hold a grudge against him for it. She’s not disrespecting Lyanna by speaking the truth. Lyanna wasn’t some innocent, pure little girl with no faults. By Westeros standards, Lyanna would’ve also been considered a whore for running off with a married prince when she was already engaged to someone else. Those are just the facts. Whether you like Cersei or hate Cersei, you can’t blame her for disliking her husband. There wasn’t much to like in that man.
I think that he always knew but was in denial. When she told him that ''his legacy is a lie'' in my opinion you can tell that he was aware of that but only now it really hit him cause Cersei dared to say it out loud. That is what i think tho. I could be wrong.
Oh he abso fucking lutely knew. He forced her to marry Robert and kept an iron fist around their throats until the day he died, but what he could not do is force her to perform legitimately in bed with Robert or otherwise, nor prohibit his firstborn son and heir who was her brother from going near her, especially since Jamie was appointed a member of the Kingsguard. She knew her place in a world where as a woman she was under the boots of men, and she knew it well. In all likelihood she was actually a sociopath and never even loved Jamie, or anyone for that matter. But she knew making their bloodline purely one of secret incest gave her a power not even her father could take away from her. This was demonstrated when she used the knowledge of it to refuse to marry Loras. She threatened to ruin the entire family, her children and brother included, unless Tywin relented on forcing HER to marry someone SHE didn't wish to marry. That one moment of supreme selfishness revealed who Cersei truly was, and why she did the things that she did - for HER, and her alone.
She clearly didn’t regard Ned stark as a credible threat, or she wouldn’t so openly have disclosed all this information. The Lannisters had stacked Kings Landing from the time of the fall of the Mad king Aerys Targaryean, & Cersei knew it. Tywin seems to have deliberately allowed Robert to become king, so that he would let the Lannisters have their men in the capital unopposed. Robert allowed it, caring only at the time for the destruction of House Targaryean. They were also the richest house, able to bribe such forces as the City watch and any other royal force. Ned Stark left after the rebellion was over, blissfully unaware of who held the real reins of power behind the scenes. The starks were formidable in their own right, and if allied with the riverlands & the Vale may have been strong enough to defeat the Lannisters. With the baratheons they definitely would have, which is probably why Tywin chose to betray Aerys in the first place. But to think about the genius of little finger, who decided to have these two great houses duel it out, to weaken them both to allow his own ascension in power and position. He knew that house Arryn could’ve tilted the balance of power away from Tywin, so he made sure they remained neutral. Later when house stark was all but annihilated at the red wedding, he went on to arrange for Joffreys murder to begin to weaken house Lannister. This weakness reaches its peak with Tywin’s death, & Cerseis imprisonment by the faith militant. Littlefinger, the sly and cunning bastard then plotted to use Sansa to retake the north via the knights of the vale, so that he would have both the north and vale on his side, aka the winning combo even Tywin dreaded. Then, with a weakened house Lannister in the south, he would use that combined force to conquer the south, and seat himself on the throne with Sansa at his side. It was the ultimate chess game, & frankly he would’ve won had it not been for Brans magic.
They deviated from the book. She was never happy to marry Robert. She probably was excited about Rhaegar but she hated him when he rejected her. Robert wasn't of any interest to her.
He never should have confronted Cersei. He should have gone straight to Robert. He also should have taken Renleys advice. But, he made mistakes snd lost his head. Damn honorable fool.
I hated it when Ned pretends to be all uppity and superior with the Lannisters. Had Jaime not killed the king, he'd have been dead and Ned, being a rebel should have known it. Instead he insulted him all his life calling him kingslayer. He kills Lady, takes his daughters to North in a difficult situation and confronts Cersei like this. It is his superiority rather than honour that blinds him.
It feeds into Cersei's narcissism as well. She's was always regarded as one of the most beautiful woman in the kingdom. Lyanna by comparison was considered "pretty" but not necessarily a great beauty. Cersei took it as a slight that someone, especially her own husband, could find someone more beautiful than she. Someone regarded as "plain". That's when the hatred truly began.
Interesting thing is that Cersei was actually prettier and more attractive than Lyanna in the books, yet both of Cersei's love-interests (Rhaegar and Robert), were head-over-heels for Lyanna and didn't give a hoot about Cersei. Lyanna had a fire and a spirit that Cersei didn't. Cersei was just a petty, vindictive, hateful and arrogant bitch, while Lyanna's pretty much everything a man wants, in a woman.
Ned is a total idiot for this. I felt so bad for him and what happened. But this was dumb. Katlyn didnt help either when she kidnapped tyrion and then jaime attacked him and his guys. But this was a bad decision.
@@KingInBlack69 yea that’s true. He really dropped the ball with this though. I know he wanted to at least do right by tommen and the daughter. But I think he didn’t quite know how vicious Cersei was.
Cersei was the worst kind of person but given her position, she almost had to be. She had to look out for herself and her children and find what little happiness she could. Stark shouldve just told her "Your secret is safe with me." And kept it pushing. The Lannisters wouldnt have ruled for long because Daenyres was on her way and wouldve booed up with Jon Snow and together they wouldve ruled. This is a lesson that sometimes doing the right thing is not actually the right thing in that moment.
@@namelesswhocares8648 even if he had come back, telling Cersei in confidence as an act of goodwill was naive to the point of stupidity. Catelyn kidnapping Tyrion because the attempted murderer had “his knife” was an act of egregious idiocy. Rob Stark breaking his marriage contract for “love” was incredibly dumb. The list is long as to why the Stark’s made their own problems. Oh yeah…I’d say Robert was right about killing Daenerys. Ned sucked at his job as the Hand.
@@masonlerner9342all true. But at least Ned was trying to save Cersei's kids here. Because sure as fuck Robert would have killed them if he knew the truth.
Man, how well they did things back in the first few seasons... The laid down the character motivations and back stories so well, it gave birth to such strong, spectacular arcs! Too bad the last seasons did such a clumsy job of closong them...
Ned died taking with him many secrets. One was that he knew lyanna did not love robert as much as he was madly in love with her. She was in love with rheagar, thats why she ran off with him and married and gave birth to the half wolf/ half dragon manchild jon snow aka aegon targaryian.
Cerseis has been through alot it sucks that she had to suffer through abuse relationship. Robert may be a fan character but he was a terrible husband, king and father.
Actually I blame lyanna for all of this she could have told Robert that she doesn't love him nor she wants to marry him and that her arrange the marriage and someone as prideful as Robert would have taken that in his ego would have let her go , after all he only wants to marry her just so he could be ned brother, he wouldn't lose his friendship with ned for some horse face girl from the north
This dialogue is straight out of the book ALMOST word for word. I still get goosebumps when I hear the text voiced by great actors such as Ms. Heady and Mr. Bean
She really is a miss? Wild, I think she could get almost any man.
Bro wrote an entire appreciation post only to end it with ‘Mr. Bean’ 🤪
@@ToppeThraneWho says she wants to be with one?
@@ToppeThrane I mean she's married to actor Marc Menchaca. Calling a woman by "Miss" is a sign of respect especially here in the American South. I always call my boss Miss _her name here_ and most of my employees call me by Miss before my first name as well even though I'm married.
@@Platymapuss It is funny how it mostly different like here in Europe. I would only use miss to young women and female children
For all cerseis faults, she was at least intelligent enough to know Ned was the only person with integrity and honesty that she felt she could freely share these details with
BUT, just to be sure...
But just to make sure, don't really interfere with your wacko child having him decapitated.@derianvandalsen
@@derianvandalsen😂
@@derianvandalsenI mean to be fair she did try to save his life still.
Hiw is that an intelligent decision? Confirming to your political opponent that he is, in fact, right about his deductions that can very easily land you in a grave.
The drunken utterance of “Lyanna” caused all this…
Damn Robert is worse than Rick Sanchez when it comes to getting drunken
No. Robert cheated on Cersei and even raped her. Robert Baratheon is a real monster and Lyanna is very lucky that she did not become Robert's toy, which he will break physically and mentally
Not true , Jamie and cerci were together waaaaaaay before she ever even was thought of for Robert. She is doing what most people do . Shes fitting the lie into a true story
In fact Jamie and cerci were together for so long their mother had caught them and threatened to tell their father about it
@@uglyclownface9216 she intended to stay faithful in her marriage but she could not take what he did, she is a prideful person and her relationship with her brother is a form of vanity.
Fuck I forgot how good this show was
Season 8 casts a powerful, sad shadow over the whole thing
God's, the writing was strong then!
That is true.
After finishing every episode you would relish the moments and GOT music.
I know right... Really peaked in S8
@@pranav57887 was pretty awful too tbh
Your sister was a corpse, and I was a living girl and he loved her more than me
Hard line
People hate her but I liked her in a crazy way 😂
@ironlungslc9529 I get what you mean, Cersi was bad but she was good at it lol. I loved when she took revenge. It was always oddly satisfying, don't get wrong she's still a bad person. But she was so good at it, it was hard to hate💀🤣🤣
That's the worst part, because she's dead she's like this saint or goddess.
Bobby doesn't know his girl ditched him for a married man with children, who's much older, kind of a religious fanatic, and is pretty much abusive of his wife....
Pretty damn stupid to love someone this much.
@@samf.s.7731 "pretty damn stupid to love someone this much" yup, very good thought
Obligatory "Gods, the dialogue was strong then!"
😂😂
GO FIND THE GOOD DIALOGUE STRETCHER! NOW!
It's exactly like the book
How long will it take em to figure it out
You should’ve invented one for S8
This comment is underrated.
And this dialog, although self-centered and selfish, is relatable and why these early seasons are pure gold. This show was a master class on power dynamics
Emphasis on *was* 😢
Relatable?? 🤨📷📷
@@n0obz27 not the incest part.😂😂 I'm guessing her tragedy of marrying someone who doesn't love her, but abuses her. Or her love for her children maybe.
Btw no it wasn't word for word here came from the book everyone says the show was so good till later seasons 😂😂😂yeah till they ran out of books to copy and paste and they just said f it when it came to the last 2 released books that's why season 5 was the last with this great conversations
@@Daniel-ug4puExactly lmao these guys act like this show would be good if not for GRRM. its literally a copy paste of his work lol. and then they complain that it became bad when they "ran out of book material" as though they didnt almost entirely skip adapting all the content from books 4 and 5. Even major plot points from the earlier books were changed for no reason, like Robb's campaign and a lot of Cat's story (including Lady Stoneheart)
No way, a short that makes us almost feel for Cersei? Gods, I miss season one
Ikr. I hated how openly disrespectful he was to her at Winterfell. I felt bad for her when Robert hit her.
Uh, isn't she telling him that he's she's being incestuous with her twin brother 😮
Nope still hate her 😂
@@adamhunter4120 yeah I said almost 😅
@@staciasmith5162I dont the women deserved everything robert gave her dont forget jaime is how he is because of her he was in the kings guard because of her
You can hate Cersei all you want, I don't think she lied at any moment here. I think she genuinely wanted to be with Robert until she realized he will never love her.
It's not only that... He despised her over and over again... creating this lady monster we know
@@tavernadoeogan0187 Actually, Cersei had always been this way. She'd always been a narcissist, since she was young and visited the witch, she wanted power, you can see that on how delighted she was when she realized that she and her children would rule (she just stopped smiling when she was told that her children would die). She was just offended that someone "as perfect as her" was less desired by the king than a dead woman.
She was extremely proud, and the most beautiful woman in the kingdoms. Her father raised her with the expectation she would be queen. To have him react like that wounded her pride more than anything. I think it was the last thing she expected
@@tetezinhageek2163 true she all that, but the monster she became at the end? No. She was selfish, yes, narcissistic, true, but she had not gone far enough to kill for the sake of killing. Most of the time , she shoulderd the blame for what Joffrey did.
It wasn't just the lack of love, Robert was very violent with her when he was drunk and while he was ashamed of what he did to her when sober, he just blamed the wine and continued the cycle all over again. Not to mention , because of this he saw fit to warm his bed with other women instead of his own wife when sober, further insulting her.Her own father saw her as nothing more than a broodmare to further the line and treated her as such.She was a bad person, but it was her circumstances that made her a monster.
@@zodiac5403that last sentence applies to almost all (bad) people in the world, some extremes notwithstanding.
This is a prime example of how sticking to the source material is a million times better than subverting expectations with showriters. This dialog is so much better than everything after season 4.
To be fair, they did their best considering. George should've finished his book
Dont always agree. Maybe when given this multitude of seasons to tell the story sure. But we both know this is not the case
Sure, after season 4 HBO could have put the show on hiatus for 30 years waited out the last 2 books and in 2045 recast the actors and continued the series with "source material" 🙄.
@@latronix-omnigenus you speaked my mind, I always found thoses takes ridiculous.
Would have been better than killing the Universe@@roleoahotondji54
She is a great actor. No body could have played Cersie better than Lena Headey.
Is she a transgender now? 😂
I'm sure there's a word for female actors
@@Cloudipy Yes, "actor". There's no need to specify that she's female because 1, that would be redundant, and 2, insisting on the feminine form implies that there's something inherently different about women who act that separates them from men who act, and that this difference makes them, by necessity, incapable of measuring up to their male counterparts, when we know for a fact that women can and do act at least as well as the best male actors. You're insisting on a dichotomy of skill and talent that does not exist.
@@rachelfox8108No, that's just your own biased interpretation of that word.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Did you read that comment back before you posted it? My perspective could only possibly be "biased" if I was "biased" *against* gendered bias, and you would only think that if you yourself were biased *in favour of* gendered bias.
"It's time to go home...you're played by Sean Bean, so you're probably gonna die anyway"
Nobody plays a tragic hero quite like Mr. Bean.
@@MyEnemyNow I can't get the image of Rowan Atkinson fumbling around the Seven Kingdoms 😂😂😂
@@SakariWolf13 Can you imagine? 🤣
Ooft... time to apply some cold water lol
"did what he did what little he could do", damn that's violence
Tbf she mentioned he was drunk out of his mind. Thin blood doesn't always flow if you know what I mean
This line is perfection and communicates failure of Robert perfectly!
Women hate whiskey d...
It was stupid of Ned to have confronted Cersei with what he knows instead of going directly to Robert the King.
He was trying to show mercy and let her send herself and her children into exile before he makes it public.
@@fupopanda Exactly.. he knew Robert would kill her and her children. He was honorable and wanted to help her.
But his character didn’t change, which is what I respected from the show in the first season.
If he schemed with Petyr then it would be stupid writing.
@DC-nw3uc I don't think robert would kill any of the kids. Well, maybe joffrey.
@@DC-nw3ucnaw, i dont think Robert would have killed any of them.. honestly, i think deep down he knew none of the kids were his, he was just past the point of cating about anything anymore to really bring it up/look into it.
He would probably just divorce her and have them all evicted at most. Well, maybe Jaime,l woyld die but thats more because he also broke his vows by sleeping with cersei. But then again, he probably wouldnt really give a fuck about that either, especially since that owuld result in a ear with tywin.
The conversation that killed Ned.
Not really. Cersei never planned to kill Ned, she planned to broker a peace between Joffrey and the North.
@@Papaty25 true, I was more saying that Ned started the domino effect ending with his own demise with this encounter
@@santijauregui459 it's mainly cuz of LF. If Ned agreed to LF and took Lannisters as prisoners as LF suggested, Ned could've been the King after getting rid of Stannis and Renly of course.
@@chinmaychirantantripathy4305 that’s not in neds character though he never wanted to be king
@@torakunoichi Yes he didn't even want to live. He only falsely confessed his treason cuz of Sansa and Arya.
Cersei was giving him opportunity to back out and bro just kept diggin and diggin his grave😭
Cersei "do you love your children?"
Eddard "with all my heart!"
Cersei "No more than I love mine!"
Eddard "...and they're all Jaime's."
Cersai "thank the gods!"
😂😂😂
Cersei killed it here, she delivered perfect responses for everything he said. It's even difficult not understand her motivs
Yes, but unfortunately she chose to become bitter and evil, she could've chosen better.
I hate they couldnt deliver with this show. It was so goddamn magnificent, only for them to just fumble in the endzone. One of the biggest upsets in TV for me was how this show ended on a whimper instead of a roar.
It couldn't end on a roar. The Lannisters were dead and defeated.
@tonyjunior-thefirstgentlem410 I mean, dragons can roar. Wolves don't roar, but perhaps howl?
They were given the green light to put the show on hiatus since the HBO approved a 12 season run but the creators were "bored" of the show and wanted it over
Rpz impressionante como tem comentários de pessoas assim como tu ....que n fica feliz por ter assistido uma ótima série e sim fica com raiva e lembra apenas das coisas ruins
Seemed like just trying to cram too much into too little
For all of Cersei's failings, and being a total P.O.S lets be real, I love that in the few moments where she lets her guard down we see a hint of her humanity.
She's a proud Lannister who's father basically delegated her to just being a "brood mare" , her marriage with Robert started hopefull but turned spitefull because of his drinking and cheating; and the only relationship she has that makes her feel happy whatsoever, the one with Jaime, is completely taboo.
She's been a terrible person since she was a child
@@liamedwards7656 how exactly?
@@roleoahotondji54 She threatened to have a woman living on her land eyes removed for fun when she was a child
@@liamedwards7656 when did this happened? I don't remember it happening in the show. If so, it's indeed a pretty terrible thing to say.
@@roleoahotondji54 It was during a flashback where she threatens to have a soldier scoop out the eyes of a shaman woman living in her father's forest if she doesn't give her a fortune of the future. The woman says she's cursed to have 3 kids and have each of them die
It's her villain origin story😅
"Your brotha? Or your lovor? "
Love how subtly Ned gives her the finger.
Thank you, I thought I was the only one who thought that 😂
me too
The smartest thing Cersie ever said "Its time for you to go South"
Time for him to go HOME, because the South didn't seem to agree with him
You mean North, since they're in south
I love the way George Martin writes! It's so three-dimensional his bad guys aren't solid bad and his good guys aren't solid good they're real people very three-dimensional❤
“your brother, or your lover”
Bro thought he did something there 💀
He did tho
Nah mate, pull out your own sis and use that post nut claeity to realise he actually did do something there
He did 😂
@@Bell_plejdo568p yeah he got himself killed
@@_E_Pluribus_Unum_salty oldhead
There’s so much nuance to her character in the earlier seasons then they turned her into Dr. Evil post season 5
That tends to happen when all of your children die.
@@nerddom-square Yeah but Tommen killed himself bc he realized his mother went batshit crazy and killed his wife along with thousands of people. So technically Cersei's insanity and tyranny was everyone's undoing including her own.
How did this show go from this masterpiece to the awful shitshow that seaosn 7 and 8 were
Because at the beginning, they had the books to guide them. Then the author had writers block ( or a serious case of fuck it all I made enough money), and D&D had to come up with something themselves. They are obviously airheads
@@Bamboule05 "who has a better story than bran the broken?" Uhhhhhh literally every other character present lol
@@DubsteadyMusicI get people didn't like the ending but people don't realise it was GRRM himself that said Bran would be king. Not D&D
@@Bamboule05D&D are definitely capable writers though. A lot of their original scenes are excellent
They ran out of book material..
An amazing moment of raw truth and vulnerability by Cersei, but Ned should’ve known at that moment he was a dead man.
How would he have known from Cersei putting that info out there?
I thought she was glad to have Ned know how she felt
@Mustang-bk4ns Admitting the incest? Admitting all of her children are Jamie's "Thank the gods," which means also, politically, this can and will be used to attempt to invalidate Joffrey's right to the throne. Maybe the personal stuff about her marriage and Robert may have been ok, even though Cersei is not generally a character willing to show emotional vulnerability. But the rest, no way. I agree that in some way this is nice for her to be able to admit things she's lied about for so long. Sure. But it also feels like a classic "I'm going to tell you, but now I have to kill you" moment.
@@SwollenostrichTMbut I don't think she meant for him to die. She wanted him sent to the wall, because she knew killing him would start a war. Still crazy that she admitted all this, because even at the wall, he could spread rumors all over.
This is why even Cersei herself did not want Ned to be without his head.
Because it would start a war.
The mistake that killed Ned Stark and Robert. He shouldn't have confronted Cersei. He was dealing with a wicked woman.
My points exactly. THANK YOU!!🤦🏾♀️ Why the hell didn’t he go to Robert with the truth?
@@racheljones5803 he does mention the reason that he doesn't want bloodshed especially against children.
I agree. Ned going to Cersei was stupid. He should have gone straight to Robert with this information.
@@LBF522 Ned went there to die anyway.
@@LBF522he was a good man. It was stupid, but he knew that Robert would have killed her and her children, who were blameless, apart Joffrey of course.
To be 100% honest after watching this show a second or third time I see things very differently. If I had this conversation with Cersei I wouldn't have been as combatative about it anymore. Or at the very least he could've been alive if he sided with Renly and took his offer. After watching this show a second time I see how much of a fool he was. Good man and good intentions but very bad decisions and trusting the wrong people. Should've trusted Renly over Peter that was his first big mistake. This show would've gone much better and different than it did but I guess that's the nature and lesson of the story. You have to be a good man but you must be wise and a good judge of character with the strong conviction to do what must be done.
Well said. Ned didn’t want to play the game, but the problem is, the game doesn’t care. He needed to be more strategic than this and messed up. Didn’t deserve the consequences of course, but it’s still like dude… you need to be more careful ffs!
Robert loved Lyanna. Cersei loved Rhaegar. But instead, they loved each other and died because of it. Now, instead of Rhaegar and Lyanna on the throne, we have essentially their jealous spiteful exes
I don't think Robert even really loved Lyanna. Over the years, he grew to love the idea of who she was rather than the actual person. He hated that something he was due (their betrothal) was taken from him. Even Ned says in the books that he knew Robert wouldn't have remained true to Lyanna, it just wasn't in his nature to be monogamous.
If you say they loved their respectful SO’s then why would then call them jealous spiteful exes??
@@KashiKay They're spiteful towards each other is what I was trying to get at. Both think they were screwed out of what they really deserved.
First couple seasons followed the book pretty closely, that’s why they were so good.
If only Ned had just gone home …
In the end, everyone wants to be loved.
It must have felt good, to be as evil and cold as Cersei was. But finally tell the truth. And have someone who would hear everything, fairly before judging her.
I’m sure Ned did not like the incest, but he also knew who Robert was. And most there was a moment where someone(Ned) felt for Cersei.
Ned was naive . He should have just hidden the truth till an opportune moment
its good that cersei and ned understand eachother, and that ned was allowed to return to winterfell and live happily ever after with his beautiful family.
😂😂😂
It doesn't seem so odd, does it.. how she became what she did.. married away to a man she admired and worshipped, she got to be queen, but for what price?.
Now she's stuck in that world, she has to play the game.. We can dislike her all we want, because those we like more, who are more honorable, those she tries to get rid of, kill off...
But when it comes down to it, it's not hard to understand why she grew sour.
Ned should of kept his mouth shut, and made negotiations
The moment Ned signed his own death warrant
Cersei was messed up and evil at times but like most GOT characters there were many layers to her. This scene reveals her motivations for hating and eventually killing Robert and when you hear her side of things you can at least understand why she was the way she was. It doesn't make me like her but at least it makes me have some sympathy for her, and for all the noble women of Westeros who were traded like commodities for political gain by their families.
She definitely deserved better but no excuses for her actions afterwards
Not sure she did, she was already sleeping with Jaime before she married Robert.
@@rhiannongreen2642 if that’s true then yeah she was cheating but it sounded like she was just like every other girl obsessed with him and was loyal until he started forcing her drink and all
@@rhiannongreen2642 The children came afterwards though
ned stark trying not to get himself killed because of his pride
*(literally impossible challenge)*
Can anyone blame her for hating Robert?
When you don't love someone, you leave him not making babies with your brother.😅
I blame her
Robert was definitely scum..
Anyone with a functioning brain would
Nah Robert was a cheating, pedophilic piece of crap but Cersei was evil herself
This makes me sad for Cersei.
Imagine him knowing this woman's brother lover permanently disabled his son trying to kill the son. He would know his assumed bastard who was his sister 's son would be murdered at her direction.
But he does? Why else would he say 'my son saw you with him'?
The time when lyana won and didn't wanted to. But ned lost. And shouldn't have
What a sad wedding night!!!! 😢😢😢
I feel like so many problems could have been averted if these two had a longer conversation
Another slap for disrespecting Lyanna
That would have warranted a haymaker to the face.
meeting the hand of the hand of the king
She didn’t disrespect Lyanna. Lyanna disrespected herself by laying with a married man. For real. Cersei had every right to be spiteful about Robert calling her Lyanna on their wedding night . She was dead and she never loved Robert. He was just delulu.
@@neishasurprise484Robert wanted Lyanna but because of the oath he married Cersei. What are you talking about? Cersei was always a bratty bitter evil girl
@@babyt556 I never said Cersei wasn’t those things but it doesn’t deny the fact that Robert married House Lannister for the power they could provide and she was his lawful wedded wife. Coveting a dead girl who never loved him and ran away with a married man on him is just gross and delusional. Cersei had every right to hold a grudge against him for it. She’s not disrespecting Lyanna by speaking the truth. Lyanna wasn’t some innocent, pure little girl with no faults. By Westeros standards, Lyanna would’ve also been considered a whore for running off with a married prince when she was already engaged to someone else. Those are just the facts. Whether you like Cersei or hate Cersei, you can’t blame her for disliking her husband. There wasn’t much to like in that man.
"Cool motive, still murder"
Tywin lived a lie or he was in denial the entire show. Yet, I believe he & Tyrion knew about Cersi and Jaime's incest relationship for years..
I think that he always knew but was in denial. When she told him that ''his legacy is a lie'' in my opinion you can tell that he was aware of that but only now it really hit him cause Cersei dared to say it out loud. That is what i think tho. I could be wrong.
Oh he abso fucking lutely knew. He forced her to marry Robert and kept an iron fist around their throats until the day he died, but what he could not do is force her to perform legitimately in bed with Robert or otherwise, nor prohibit his firstborn son and heir who was her brother from going near her, especially since Jamie was appointed a member of the Kingsguard.
She knew her place in a world where as a woman she was under the boots of men, and she knew it well. In all likelihood she was actually a sociopath and never even loved Jamie, or anyone for that matter. But she knew making their bloodline purely one of secret incest gave her a power not even her father could take away from her. This was demonstrated when she used the knowledge of it to refuse to marry Loras. She threatened to ruin the entire family, her children and brother included, unless Tywin relented on forcing HER to marry someone SHE didn't wish to marry. That one moment of supreme selfishness revealed who Cersei truly was, and why she did the things that she did - for HER, and her alone.
Lyanna took everything she wanted. 😂 rhegar and robert.
She clearly didn’t regard Ned stark as a credible threat, or she wouldn’t so openly have disclosed all this information. The Lannisters had stacked Kings Landing from the time of the fall of the Mad king Aerys Targaryean, & Cersei knew it. Tywin seems to have deliberately allowed Robert to become king, so that he would let the Lannisters have their men in the capital unopposed. Robert allowed it, caring only at the time for the destruction of House Targaryean. They were also the richest house, able to bribe such forces as the City watch and any other royal force.
Ned Stark left after the rebellion was over, blissfully unaware of who held the real reins of power behind the scenes. The starks were formidable in their own right, and if allied with the riverlands & the Vale may have been strong enough to defeat the Lannisters. With the baratheons they definitely would have, which is probably why Tywin chose to betray Aerys in the first place. But to think about the genius of little finger, who decided to have these two great houses duel it out, to weaken them both to allow his own ascension in power and position. He knew that house Arryn could’ve tilted the balance of power away from Tywin, so he made sure they remained neutral.
Later when house stark was all but annihilated at the red wedding, he went on to arrange for Joffreys murder to begin to weaken house Lannister. This weakness reaches its peak with Tywin’s death, & Cerseis imprisonment by the faith militant. Littlefinger, the sly and cunning bastard then plotted to use Sansa to retake the north via the knights of the vale, so that he would have both the north and vale on his side, aka the winning combo even Tywin dreaded. Then, with a weakened house Lannister in the south, he would use that combined force to conquer the south, and seat himself on the throne with Sansa at his side. It was the ultimate chess game, & frankly he would’ve won had it not been for Brans magic.
They deviated from the book. She was never happy to marry Robert. She probably was excited about Rhaegar but she hated him when he rejected her. Robert wasn't of any interest to her.
Did what he did & did what lil he could do...
He never should have confronted Cersei. He should have gone straight to Robert. He also should have taken Renleys advice. But, he made mistakes snd lost his head. Damn honorable fool.
But Robert would have killed two innocent children in that case. Still foolish though.
Technically she shared two wombs with Jamie 😂
This scene is exactly as written.
I hated it when Ned pretends to be all uppity and superior with the Lannisters. Had Jaime not killed the king, he'd have been dead and Ned, being a rebel should have known it. Instead he insulted him all his life calling him kingslayer. He kills Lady, takes his daughters to North in a difficult situation and confronts Cersei like this. It is his superiority rather than honour that blinds him.
It feeds into Cersei's narcissism as well. She's was always regarded as one of the most beautiful woman in the kingdom. Lyanna by comparison was considered "pretty" but not necessarily a great beauty. Cersei took it as a slight that someone, especially her own husband, could find someone more beautiful than she. Someone regarded as "plain". That's when the hatred truly began.
Well actually Cersei wanted someone else. A Targaryen to marry him but he took Lyanna as well as we know
Interesting thing is that Cersei was actually prettier and more attractive than Lyanna in the books, yet both of Cersei's love-interests (Rhaegar and Robert), were head-over-heels for Lyanna and didn't give a hoot about Cersei.
Lyanna had a fire and a spirit that Cersei didn't. Cersei was just a petty, vindictive, hateful and arrogant bitch, while Lyanna's pretty much everything a man wants, in a woman.
Lyanna was a "pick me" girl yet a secret whore inside.
Northerners always look so uncomfortable and out of place in kings landing
I could listen to Sean Bean take people’s orders at McDonalds for 6 hours straight
The *venom* in her voice as she pronounced Lyanna 😮💨
Back before Cersie started drinking wine while staring out the window.
Nothing of all of this would have happened if he went home that day.
The last time you feel bad for Cersei.
Should've just come home
Ned is a total idiot for this. I felt so bad for him and what happened. But this was dumb. Katlyn didnt help either when she kidnapped tyrion and then jaime attacked him and his guys. But this was a bad decision.
To be fair he was trying to save her kids. Robert would have killed them if he knew the truth.
@@KingInBlack69 yea that’s true. He really dropped the ball with this though. I know he wanted to at least do right by tommen and the daughter. But I think he didn’t quite know how vicious Cersei was.
Cersei was the worst kind of person but given her position, she almost had to be. She had to look out for herself and her children and find what little happiness she could. Stark shouldve just told her "Your secret is safe with me." And kept it pushing. The Lannisters wouldnt have ruled for long because Daenyres was on her way and wouldve booed up with Jon Snow and together they wouldve ruled. This is a lesson that sometimes doing the right thing is not actually the right thing in that moment.
I felt bad for Cersai when she told "he whispered in my ear Lyana"
I remember watching the first season, when Ned Stark was in jeopardy thinking, "we;; he'll be OK". Really great series.
More than brother and sister? Oh we know, Cersei… We know… Also… Interesting attempted justifications for incest. 😂
The Starks were such morons.
Ned simply assumed robert would come back alive from his hunting trip.This is why he called him a fool when he next saw him.
Robb was a fool, not ned
@@namelesswhocares8648 even if he had come back, telling Cersei in confidence as an act of goodwill was naive to the point of stupidity. Catelyn kidnapping Tyrion because the attempted murderer had “his knife” was an act of egregious idiocy. Rob Stark breaking his marriage contract for “love” was incredibly dumb. The list is long as to why the Stark’s made their own problems. Oh yeah…I’d say Robert was right about killing Daenerys. Ned sucked at his job as the Hand.
@@masonlerner9342 Fair enough
@@masonlerner9342all true. But at least Ned was trying to save Cersei's kids here. Because sure as fuck Robert would have killed them if he knew the truth.
If Ned had Social Media, all the kingdom's would have tuned into Winterfell's Page😂😂😂😂
Seriously man stark was so stupid telling her instead of going straight to robert.. he thought she wouldn't get him in the end..
This is one of the best dialogues that game of thrones ever produced
Dialogue Now: A fInGa In tHe BuM. I have balls you dont.
That's how her villain era came about lol
Well, Robert was an A-hole.
The only time I ever empathize with Cercei.
“Hated him??? I WORSHIPPED HIM.” 💔
Ah, game a thrones. A perfect throw, a perfect run, only for the crew to fumble on the one yard line.
Essentially celebrating early, with no one around for 20 yards, just to drop the ball all on your own, right before you cross into the end zone 😂😂
She gave a completely understandable reason on why she was unfaithful…. But not with your brother 🤢
No wonder Cerci was angry and bitter toward Robert
dialogues were so well written in seasons 1-4 by season 7&8 they felt like parody
Man, how well they did things back in the first few seasons... The laid down the character motivations and back stories so well, it gave birth to such strong, spectacular arcs! Too bad the last seasons did such a clumsy job of closong them...
The last seasons killed it for me, I'm waiting for memory wipe tech
“Keep the bloodlines pure” (choke)😵💫 you mean like that little freak of a son/kinglet you produced?
It's a shame that Lena Heady never received Emmy for her performance. She was one of the greatest villains in the show.
Ned was like: stop stop, too much information about your sexual life and my sister 😔
In the books Cersei seduced Ned here saying the Hand also needs a woman when his is thousand miles away ... It's not so easy to sympathize Cersei😂
What?!!!! Are you dead serious?
Ned died taking with him many secrets. One was that he knew lyanna did not love robert as much as he was madly in love with her. She was in love with rheagar, thats why she ran off with him and married and gave birth to the half wolf/ half dragon manchild jon snow aka aegon targaryian.
A great written character is one that you both hate to love, and love to hate.
She is an awful person, but you know why she was awful.
"Your brother or your lover"
Dude gambled his life just to say this😅
Cerseis has been through alot it sucks that she had to suffer through abuse relationship. Robert may be a fan character but he was a terrible husband, king and father.
Actually I blame lyanna for all of this she could have told Robert that she doesn't love him nor she wants to marry him and that her arrange the marriage and someone as prideful as Robert would have taken that in his ego would have let her go , after all he only wants to marry her just so he could be ned brother, he wouldn't lose his friendship with ned for some horse face girl from the north