What Do Progressive Christians Believe?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- When I started to dig deep into progressive Christianity, one of the things I discovered is that it is very difficult to define. And the reason progressive Christianity is really difficult to define is that it is not characterized by what you believe. Quite the opposite of historical Christianity.
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Must be human nature to honor the god of our own image rather than acknowledge that we were made in His image. Love that Alisa is revealing the heresy in progressive Christianity.
There is human nature, what Paul called the carnal mind and Jesus called the world. There is what Paul called the Christ mind. Would it be different from the inspirations of the Holy Spirit or is it all one? John 17.20-23 If it is all one, is the world an illusion? Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment.
@@robertdouglas8895 Are you God that you can judge?
Yeah, probably why the Tower of Babel happened.
@@freshliving4199 The judging that Jesus told us to not do is condemnation of others. Judging what we are to decide what to do is done through the help of the Holy Spirit. So in that sense, I am God.
@@robertdouglas8895 Even Jesus did not come to judge. How is it that you are allowed to?
I can't help but think of "for such a time as this." Alisa, your ministry and boldness for speaking the truth is beyond encouraging. I never imagined myself, being a 34 year old mother having to search for CHURCHES that are grounded and have a hunger to read God's word. I have seen so many of these progressive subtleties as my husband and I seek out a church for our family and kids. I praise the Lord for His eyesight and discernment to see these lies. From the outside, they certainly are enticing, popular and draw the crowds! May we continue to live out lives as Christ did, showing the perfect balance of truth and love!! Thank you for your ministry. (Oh and, I was a total ZoeGirl fanatic back in the day...like every song....lol!!)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and when you mentioned the way those folks might look good on the outside, one particular passage that came to me was Matthew 7:15, where we're warned by Jesus Himself of false prophets who come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Thankful for your kind yet convictional tone sister! I resonate with what you said about it being "hard to define". Though I love my progressive friends, I have found it to be constant word redefining and semantical acrobats.
I am a new Christian, and your podcast has served as guide post on my journey, I am a fan and love your work.
I am curious about your perspective on Mark Zuckerberg courting Church leaders and some mega churche for the Meta verse. This troubles me a lot, I view it as sacrilegious, commodifying our most cherished beliefs. I have heard many secular pundits, and non Christians criticizing this move, (Russel Brand aptly calls it the colonization of our consciousness). But Christians seem to be eerily silent, or endorse this abomination. I think this both an interesting and poinant topic for debate. Thank you for all that you do.
What is it to you to be a Christian?
@@freshliving4199 To be honest I am still trying to figure that out. I think obeying the tenets of Jesus Christ as it is laid out in the Gospels and New Testament, faith and belief that the only way to god is through Jesus Christ. When I was Baptized, ( I am recovering addict), my past sins died on cross. I 'm reading the Bible daily, read the New Testament a few times making my way through the old, read so far from Genesis to Psalms. I attend church, my wife and I volunteer there, ( my Church, The Vineyards in Cambridge Ontario, has a program called Urban Hope that Caters to the homeless, though it is getting harder due to COVID restrictions ).
But I digress, I am still a new Christian, and to be honest I am still finding my way, I sometimes struggle, because I have to change the habits of thinking from a lifetime of agnosticism. But I also believe a part of you has to die to be reborn Sorry for being long winded, I am trying to answer your question the best I can.
The problem I have with the Meta verse, and church' s being on board, aside from eliminating human contact, maybe augments Alisa Childers concerns about Progressive Christianity, that it will dilute and twist the gospels, in order to appeal to new converts. It already has distorted the meaning of the church, moving it into the digital realm . I am trying to determine whether my concerns have merit.
Welcome to the family! I’m so glad you have made Jesus your Savior. It’s refreshing to see God at work. I heard a Christian talking about the Metaverse and it made sense. Satan is the great mimicker. He couldn’t create the real world so he’s creating an alternative reality. Stay away from it. Stay in prayer and your Bible. The world will confuse you. God is not the author of confusion. Happy for you.
I am speechless... it clearly says it is the Word of God!! I take these people as creators of their own gods or gods of themselves!! May God renew their mind and embrace truth that is only found in Jesus, the Son of God
The Bible is the word from God.
Jesus is the Word of God.
Get it?
@@freshliving4199 I surely get it, God's letter to us all and Jesus being the centre of it all ❤
ROMANS 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Also JESUS said Behold I come quickly with rewards. ‘Progressive’ would not be getting anything.
Excellent points as usual! Thanks so much for all you do!
I got to watch this in person! I hope many people were informed and blessed !
It is certainly a complicated movement from what I have learned since I found out my son and wife are in this. But the premise is as old as the Garden: “Did God really say? “ “I will be like God”. Heartbreaking! Thanks for all your hard work, Alisa, in educating us in this horrible “theology”. Blessings upon you.
Hi Maria, I just wanted to let you know that I understand and my heart goes out to you with your back pain, I struggled with chronic neck pain for a several months and nothing seemed to help no matter how many doctors I saw. Finally, a spinal surgeon told me that my pain was psychosomatic and I’ve been treating it with therapy, yoga, and mindfulness since then and it’s improved my pain significantly! Not saying that this is necessarily the case for everyone, but it’s definitely the case for many people and may provide some relief! Praying for you and hoping your pain goes away soon :)
I encountered some of this in an adult Sunday School class I was teaching. I was teaching about God's plan for marriage and families. I brought up why biological gender was so important. I also discussed how society acceptance of common-law marriage and same sex marriage were lies Satan told us. Some class members brought up the LGBTQ and common law issue and how we are not to judge others. So okay, we are not to judge others. However there still needs to be a standard of right and wrong. My response was the class is about studying what God says in scripture and not what is politically correct.
If we are made in the likeness of God, are we bodies? What are we?
Jesus said, "Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment" do the senses of our bodies give us truth? What good are they if they don't?
Did you teach Deuteronomy 22:28-29 ?? That's part of God's plan, right ??
@@sanjeevgig8918 Not any more. People don't use shekels as currency. Sorry, my mistake. Israel uses the shekel.
@@robertdouglas8895 LOL. I expect Xtians to be ignorant. LOL
@@sanjeevgig8918 The problem is that the world is a mirror.
One thing I have noticed about the progressive movement....the first thing they do is completely get rid of any type of corporate Bible study (sunday school, small group studies, etc.). If the people are not studying the Bible then they can convince the people of anything they want them to believe. If no one is studying their Bible, then no one can "argue" with them when it comes to their "teachings." It's so sad to me. I miss the old days of Sunday school, Sunday night corporate worship and Bible study, wednesday night Bible study. The mega church model is: one service on sunday mornings...and they prefer that to be online. We must have each other. We must do life together. We need to worship together and study together.
The term "progressive Christian" is an oxymoron.
Does understanding increase?
@@robertdouglas8895 no not with progressives (aka regressives)
AMEN sister Childers Progressive Christianity isn't Christianity. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
So helpful
How?
Love this!!
All scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2Timothy 3:16. The Bible commands believers to call out false teachers, and “progressive Christians” are subscribing to false doctrine.
I wish you would actually have someone you label a "Progressive Christian" on your show, that to me would make for a much deeper conversation.
LOL; This has been asked many many times; she is not into debate; she knows she will get destroyed in a debate; just preaching to the converted. LOL.
@@sanjeevgig8918 yeah it's unfortunate, I feel Alisa paints such a small and narrow narrative of the Christian household. Through my own deconstruction (I know this is such a overused word) I found some beautiful rich streams of Christianity (especially the Celtic stream) that existed before I believe Christianity got into bed with empire.
There are other apologists that get into such debates.
@@pkmcnett5649 I am curios why Alisa being such a youtube sensation does not have any on her channel? I have watched many of her videos where she will post small sound bites of certain progressives she finds heretical, then she usually paints them out to be irrational and dangerous, and then there is no counter argument offered for their deeper intended message.
@@Stastylen One of the best things I did for my mental health was to stop debating theology with strangers online. Just wanted to share that. God bless.
Human nature has always been to think we know better than God, which is how we always end up with all this heretical nonsense poisoning our society. Thank you, Alisa, for your efforts in promoting the true Gospel.
If god knows better than humans, then why did he not know that the earth is not a flat place and that the sun does not travel?😆
@@maluwa6957 That is language of appearance. Just like how we say the "sun rises" and "the sun sets".
@@properpropaganda9831 That's because the bible was born in to a pre-scientific world, where people knew nothing about science . Galileo came long after the bible was written
@@maluwa6957 Just where do you get the idea that anybody at that time thought the earth was flat?
It is he who sits above the *circle* of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;
Isaiah 40:22
You're absolutely right! In our human nature, we do indeed want to think that we know better than our Lord Himself and the Truth is that as our perfectly loving and wise heavenly Father, He always knows what is best for us.
Thank you!
Question: By who's understanding of the bible are we to go with? Even the reformers could not agree on teaching when they used the same scriptures.
I would argue that any church that has moved away from the apostolic teaching as taught by Jesus to His apostles and then through the apostles has been taught by the Church century after century, has become progressive.
Greg, yes, but not necessarily a scripture only problem. Progressive "Christianity" is political at its roots. It's a political movement that has taken over many churches to bring about political change in American such as anti-capitalism, social justice, situational ethics.
Great book! Thank you for your work
You’re the best, Alissa.
As a long time listener, can I please ask a random question and get a response?
I need to know the brand of those boots 😂 seriously they’re very cute, super flat for Chelsea boots, love the brown color. I would LOVE to know.
Thank you 👟🥿🥾
"Progressive" Christian theology is actually regressive theology. Read I/II Samuel, I/II Chronicles, Micah Chapter 7, read Jonah, read Job Chapter 38. "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: 'Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.'" (Job 38:1-4 ESV)
What is "the deposit of faith handed down?" Does Apostolic authority matter? Prodistants claim Sola Scriptura but plural interpretations follow and nothing is doctrinally definitive or catholic "universally agreed."
Calvinism also challenges the authority of scripture by delegating thought to famous old dead guys philosophy rather than the scriptures themselves.
Please, could you elaborate on your point. How does Calvinism challenge the authority of scripture?
@@computationaltheist7267 Calvinism relies heavily upon their perceived version of the intellect -- I.E. embracing a certain philosophy (5 points) in which to view the scriptures "properly". Through the use of their philosophy to 'interpret scriptures properly' they negate the plain meaning of the text. For instance, having to come up with ideas such as 'all does not mean all' or there are various 'wills of God' (which do not directly appear in scripture, but must be indirectly reasoned to existence through assuming Calvinistic philosophy is correct). Basically Calvinistic philosophy is the lens that interpret scriptures, not the other way around.
Everyone should read “Progressive Christians Love Jesus Too” by Randal Rouser
Malachi 3:6 “For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
Pretty simple God doesn't change his will or purpose. Humans on the other hand, what a mess... Soon we all will have to know the truth.
Is simply trusting Jesus enough? Apostles creed to define Who He is & what He has done to Rescue us
This is scary
Very much. I am shocked.
Does God change HIs mind?
Leviticus 24. 13 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 14 “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. 15 And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. 16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
Leviticus 20.9Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the LORD, who makes you holy.
"`If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
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"`If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If God commanded these things and the Bible is true, why do people not do them now?
People say that fear of God is not fear of God but respect, but if God sends people to hell for sinning like not killing blasphemers and adulterers and not agreeing that Jesus died for their sins, I can see how people would be really fearful of God, not just respectful and then just say they repent and Jesus died for them just to try to end the fear, but does it ever end with a wrathful god?
It's not the Holy Spirit or the Bible. You understand the Bible when the Spirit of Truth lifts the veil. I don't believe the Holy Spirit will make anyone downplay the Holy Writings of the Old and New Testament. Those are other religions.
The Creeds didn’t develop until later - early Christianity was diverse and there was no orthodoxy. Different groups in different areas all considering themselves followers of Jesus in some way had different ideas about the details and that was ok. Progressive Christians just want to return to Love God Love Your Neighbor- everything else is riffing on that. Creeds are man made a form of idolatry.
Walter Martin - Kingdom of the Cults and one of my apologetic profs in Melodyland said "The biggest cult is not JW's, Latter Day Saints or any other cult. It is liberal Christianity
"We have always gone to the Bible to settle our disagreements..." No, we havent. Its called theological debate and its been a thing in Christianity before the Bible was canonized. Theological debate was the process of canonization of the Bible. The reason disagreements exist is bc the Bible needs to be interpreted. How do u explain that the Statement of Biblical inerrancy was written in 1978 if we were united on the Bible since the beginning? This statement of inerrancy is a reaction by the few to those they disagreed with about homosexuality and the Bible. Really, do u think that knowing that both male and female bodies are pivotal in reproduction, common sense now, has zero baring on our understanding of God and creation? The fact that we know the earth revolves around the sun, or that earthquakes happens bc of moving tatonic plates has no baring on how we think about God? Of course it does. Even in the Bible, we see the "progression" of theology. At one point circumcision was required the most imprtant identifying marker to the faithul but later paul says it is not longer. Things changed. Morality needs context and the context of Abraham or even Jesus was very different. Imagine morality in the time of slavery "treat ur slaves well..." Great! But today we would see that as immoral as no one should own other people. We need to move forward in our thinking or at least vet the true universal wisdoms like love ur neighbor, heal the sick, etc. How ironic that if she applied her logic to the Bible, she would be prohibited from teaching the Bible. Smh.
Progressive Christianity is hard to define bc you are trying to measure it with ur conservative logic. Conservative Christianity is all about answers. The Bible is a book that give u answers. Progressive Christianity is about being okay to not have the answers. The Bible's purpose is to makes us ask deeper questions. This is how scripture was used from the beginning. Jesus is both God and human is not supposed settle an argument rather make us wonder what that means that Jesus lived among us.
She's a wise woman.
Progressive is the wrong word, here; It's more like...Regressive, or
maybe, DEgressive!
The true Church teaches that Jesus is the living word of God, not the Bible. Our authorities are Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Church or “ the body”. The Bible is a wonderful tool given to the Church by our Apostles and Church Fathers to teach us truth.
If she was really biblical she would be silent and learn from her husband, and not be able to teach a man.
If the Bible is the infallible, inerrant , literal , unchanging word of God, then why did we Christians remind God that he was wrong on so many issues, such as Slavery, women, Homosexuality, creation and the natural world? Did God change his mind on these issues or did we humans get God wrong ? But then if god is eternal and unchanging and all knowing why did he get it wrong in the first place? Now did you realize that all what we keep reading about god in holy books along with every idea about God that humans come up with are all human projections of God and never who God really is? Even if there happens to be a God somewhere out in the unknown, how would any fallible, mortal human know who this God is, what he looks like, what he thinks or speaks? That's why Jesus told people to look within themselves to understand God instead of looking out words. ' The kingdom of God is within you' ( Luke 17/20/21)
The God Christian fundamentalists have created for themselves is a God who lives above the clouds, while keeping a watch on his flock on earth. This god dishes out rewards and punishments to people as well. Wonder how many young thinking Christians in these times would actually believe in such a God? I live in an Asian Country and read a book written by a young lady Megan Phelps-Roper who escaped from a very fundamentalist Church group in the US. Her grandfather Fred Phelps who founded the Church was a die hard fundamentalist who believed that God created the world in 6 days and that Homosexuals are cursed by God and should be killed. In his old age he had repented and changed his mind on the Bible, Christianity and even God. In a nursing home on a bed he had confessed to his family that he had been wrong about God all his life.
Any religion or ideology that takes a fundamentalist approach towards what they believe has no future because its never going to last very long.
_If the Bible is the infallible, inerrant , literal , unchanging word of God, then why did we Christians remind God that he was wrong on so many issues, such as Slavery, women, Homosexuality, creation and the natural world? Did God change his mind on these issues or did we humans get God wrong? But then if god is eternal and unchanging and all knowing why did he get it wrong in the first place?_
When did "Christians remind God that he was wrong on so many issues"? Why would you think anything has changed or that God got anything wrong?
_Now did you realize that all what we keep reading about god in holy books along with every idea about God that humans come up with are all human projections of God and never who God really is? [...] That's why Jesus told people to look within themselves to understand God instead of looking out words. ' The kingdom of God is within you' ( Luke 17/20/21)_
Why would you contend that looking within yourself is the means to circumvent projection? Human projection is the ONLY thing you'll find there. Quit twisting the meanings of late 16th, early 17th century English. Modern translation: "for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." (ESV) The kingdom of God had already come and was standing directly before them.
Not only does Jesus fully endorse the sovereignty of God, he references the Old Testament scripture as the authority backing it:
And Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.'" Luke 4:8
If scripture is to be discarded as irrelevant to whatever your inner whims are, what's the point of quoting it with an implicit appeal to authority?
_Even if there happens to be a God somewhere out in the unknown, how would any fallible, mortal human know who this God is, what he looks like, what he thinks or speaks?_
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves." John 14:9-11
_The God Christian fundamentalists [...] Any religion or ideology that takes a fundamentalist approach towards what they believe has no future because its never going to last very long._
This is just an example of the informal fallacy of "guilt by association". It doesn't bolster the conclusion you're positing at all. Furthermore, 2000 years of history kinda works against you.
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Paul "was a product of his times"... NOT.
The bible is the written word of GOD and is unchanging and eternal. Those who add or take away from it do so at their peril. (Rev 22:18-19, Prov 30:5-6, 2Tim 3:16-17, Gal 1:6-9).
Dear sister you are making a major false statement on how progressive Christian, so called, see the Bible. They in fact are more Orthodox in understanding of Christ centred spirituality and what the Bible is than Evangelical fundamentalism. The latter derives authority from the book as ideology like the sincere and zealous Pharisees. Whereas the former draws authority from the Son within courtesy of the INSPIRED written word which had led the reader to discover that is " born again or more correctly said above. I will Labour no further but suffice to say if you put as much effort in seeking the genuine Christian Gospel as the early church fathers viewed it ( Orthodoxy) as that of defending Roman Catholic/ Protestant TRADITION...your heart would love the Father/Jesus even more so. Please refrain from attacking what you never had fully understood, and study the original Hebrew and Greek languages and discover how Mediaeval and later Protestant bias affected our English Bible translations from not these original languages but from Latin. Embracing Christianity in mid life I was once a Fundamentalist but slowly in reading my Bible I began to see a different way of " seeing." Thank God for His unrelenting love grace and mercy that from being labelled a heretic by my brethren who I loved I was led to truths espoused by Eastern Orthodoxy (Apokatastasis Thesis etc) and names such as Brad Jerzak, Richard Rohr, Paul Young, Brian McLaren etc etc. As the two desciples on the road to Emmaus my heart burnt at the verification of that I knew in the Spirit but words had failed me. Both Jesus and Paul after his conversion used Scripture to reveal God's character and true nature of unrelenting LOVE to reconcile ALL of His creation. Yes ALL of mankind if sadly so many many have to be restored by God's refining fire for complete restoration into His image. If not incrementally in this age than painfully through regret of having taken His name in vain. Appollogies for my long comment. Maranatha and may you discover Jesus as Paul did as expressed in Galatians 1/16. ❤️
*Read the bible. Turn off the chitter chatter.*
The Bible is not your authority.
God is.
God speaks through the Bible.
As a progressive Christian I refuse to believe that the Bible is the word of God. To me it's an ancient set of writings about a tribe of Semitic people who went under the name Israelites, how they lived, what they believed and how they tried to understand the concept of God, life and the universe. To these ancient people God was a being who created the world in 6 days, who separated the sea in order to save his chosen people who were the Israelites while drowning the entire Egyptian army who were their oppressors. They believed that the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth. They also believed that women were inferior to men, and that from all the other tribal deities who were worshipped in those regions of the world, that their tribal deity who happened to be Jehovah was the only true God, and that anyone who worshipped other God's deserved to be killed.
Jesus then came along and reminded people who God really is. He told us of an universal God of abiding love and compassion towards all. He showed people what it means to be truly human. He reminded us that we all are children of God and that any attempt to degrade another human being means you degrade and violate the holy God.
Yes I am honored to be calling myself a progressive Christian. Progressive Christianity “affirms that the teachings of Jesus provide but one of many ways to experience the Sacredness and Oneness of life.” For those who have been taught repeatedly that Jesus is the only way, such a statement is very disorienting. Progressive Christianity “seeks community that is inclusive of ALL people.” For those who have been encouraged to create community exclusively with people who look and sound like them, this statement invites variety that creates confusion and possible fear. Progressive Christianity “believes there is more value in questioning than in absolutes.” For those who have taken comfort in predictability and answers, this statement evokes anxiety and perceived chaos.
So, Progressive Christianity opens the doors to disorientation, confusion and chaos? Well, yes! In some ways… And this feels very messy for the parts of us that really prefer comfort, ease, and order. Progressive Christianity recognizes that being human on this living planet means experiencing diversity, death, and fear while learning to find meaning, love and friendship amidst it all. Is Progressive Christianity dangerous? Most definitely if a Christian doesn’t want to recognize their participation in a system that has allowed certain humans to thrive at the expense of other humans and more-than-humans.
Regards and God bless
_Jesus then came along and reminded people who God really is. He told us of an universal God of abiding love and compassion towards all._
True, though not in the way you're implying. He did not claim the Old Testament scripts were wrong or otherwise irrelevant. He assigned it upmost authority:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19
_He showed people what it means to be truly human._
He came to show that being truly human is not enough to set you free:
"I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness." John 12:46
"For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world-to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice." John 18:37
_He reminded us that we all are children of God and that any attempt to degrade another human being means you degrade and violate the holy God._
We do all bear the image of God, and should honor one another. (Imago Dei) However, that does not imply that we are all children of God:
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me." John 8:42-45
_Yes I am honored to be calling myself a progressive Christian. Progressive Christianity “affirms that the teachings of Jesus provide but one of many ways to experience the Sacredness and Oneness of life.” For those who have been taught repeatedly that Jesus is the only way, such a statement is very disorienting. Progressive Christianity “seeks community that is inclusive of ALL people.”_
For one who affirms the teachings of Jesus, I think you missed some parts:
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." John 3:36
_Progressive Christianity “believes there is more value in questioning than in absolutes.”_
Indeed. The scriptures warn of this type, among many others: "always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7
_So, Progressive Christianity opens the doors to disorientation, confusion and chaos? Well, yes! In some ways… And this feels very messy for the parts of us that really prefer comfort, ease, and order. Progressive Christianity recognizes that being human on this living planet means experiencing diversity, death, and fear while learning to find meaning, love and friendship amidst it all. Is Progressive Christianity dangerous? Most definitely if a Christian doesn’t want to recognize their participation in a system that has allowed certain humans to thrive at the expense of other humans and more-than-humans._
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
@@reubenmartin1930 Well done, sir. I learned some of what Progressive Christianity entails, and simple ways to respond with scripture.
In particular, I liked the John 8:44 response to the “all are children of God” claim. It just demonstrates that such tenets within Progressive Christianity contradict the teachings of Jesus.
You have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus or His teachings. You are a child of your father the devil. You sound compassionate and loving. But you are just the opposite of that. You lead people away. May God convict your soul and bring you to salvation. Jesus the Christ is your only hope, you have nothing else.
Guess I'm not a christian since the bible is not my God
WOW! Alisa, you misrepresent progressive christians. I'm an exvangelical christian and NONE of what you said is true about me. Other than I don't worship the Bible or put it at the same level as having a living, tangible relationship with the Holy Spirit. Have you ever interviewed a progressive christian? There are a handful of them who would enjoy having a kind, respectful dialog with you. Also, our theology might be different, but you are loved and we are ALL part of the body of Christ.
Progressive Christianity is not only dangerous its of Satan. You know how I know because the UA-cam algorithm automatically puts negative comments that oppose her view. Progressive Christianity is false teachings.
Explain how she misrepresented. Progressive Christians hold their own will higher than Gods. You guys are a political movement masquerading as religion.
@@jamesjones11301994 By my commenting "none what she said is true," should explain what she misrepresented. You also lied about progressive christians in your comment. I'm not a progressive christian but please stop spreading lies about them. Alisa is still lying about progressive christians to this day. God tells us not to lie!
Do you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God? Also can you explain what you mean by not putting the Bible on the same level as your relationship with God?
@@ZandJ12345 I do not believe the bible is the inspired word of God. I believe God speaks through parts of the bible and other parts are cautionary tales written by men. A lot of christians worship the bible instead of God- this is idolatry.
Bible is God's word! S😢 sorry
you need to go to therapy....you have been traumatized by Christianity
Apologist since when does the body of Christ have any labels to me this is a secret society label are you a member of the freemasons?
Apologist? Is that what you are calling a secret society? Definition is below. There are many apologists on UA-cam and other websites.
Def: "Apologists are people involved in apologetics, a branch of theology concerned with the defense of the faith. An apologist hones his ability to defend the Christian faith by presenting proofs from the Bible, logic, and other empirical and intellectual sources."
The Book of Hebrews can be said to be the first apology of Christianity