8 Points of Progressive Christianity
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2022
- Alisa Childers gives us a brief summary on the 8 points of progressive Christianity.
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After watching my old church of 12 years start down this path, I’ve really been on a deep dive to learn more about progressive Christianity and this new age thinking. Not for my own benefit, but to be able to speak against it. This is a great breakdown but it also breaks my heart to hear.
Anyone who analyzes people thinking differently about Christianity and can come up with almost nothing good about them has a blind side.
@@robertdouglas8895 1. I believe SOME new Agers have good intentions
2. Sadly they are deceived
I’ve talked to occultists
1. I like that they actually listen most of the time, although they don’t like me lol. But when I talk to atheists, they usually mock and don’t try to understand
Atheists
1. I like the nice ones that care to find a middle ground
2. Pride is a major downfall, and same with some new Agers which makes it hard to talk to them.
We aren’t blind. We just want to bring people into the light of Christ. That’s all
@@robertdouglas8895 when it comes to progressive “Christians”. I have had ONLY bad experiences, so I will speak on that. They don’t read the Bible, or they take a verse that they think supports some liberal agenda, then then run with that. Others are chiller, but deceived so much that they really shouldn’t be! I even had to argue with one about why it’s bad to cuss people out and use vile words 🤦🏾♀️
@@tiredoftheworld4834 If you are tired of the world, you haven't seen what is real. With different eyes, you see the light in everyone, not as separate bodies, some, always self included, better than others. But we are one Spirit. John 17:20-21
New King James Version
Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [a]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
You'll see the note here, ,"Jesus prays for all believers." Many Christians see themselves as the special ones here, all others excluded except the ones that convert in one lifetime. If they would, as Jesus says, leave the 99 behind and go after the one, that would make them better than the god they think sends people to hell if they don't make the grade before their bodies die. We are not bodies. John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
When you accept all of the Bible as true, you must think God created these bodies that die or that they condemned us to death since we are guilty. That comes from peoples' own guilt.Jesus said what the world looks like as Spirit when you forgive: we are all still as God created us and don't have the power to change that.
Matthew 12:7, NIV: If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.
Sacrifice confirms we are evil.
@@robertdouglas8895 sacrifice doesn’t confirm we are evil. Look at the condition of the world and it’s obvious. Even secular people say they like animals more than humans.
Thank you for this! I used to be a progressive Christian but I continued to seek the Lord and he showed me it was false gospel that I was believing. I thank him everyday because I was living in sin and wasn’t truly saved and didn’t even realize it.
“I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.”
Proverbs 8:17 NIV
Exactly - Progressive Christianity is heretical.
Christ came to save us from sin and death not hell
@@livewireartistry Good one! I needed a laugh this morning! 😂
@@ABC-1234- Study your Bible Brother.
Read it contextually 💓
@@livewireartistry sin leads us to hell so technically you could say Christ saved us from hell
Wow, that’s SO GOOD! I learned a lot through your teachings, Alisa! God bless you and thank you for what you’re doing!🙏🏻
Ahhhh
She creates strawman to attack.
How about you actually talk to a real progressive Christian!
I came across a Facebook post titled THE OTHER SERENITY PRAYER. They used only the first paragraph. It read "God grant me the serenity to stop beating myself for not doing things perfectly, the courage to forgive myself because I'm working on doing better, and the wisdom to know that you already love just the way I am." ---------- The first paragraph of the actual Serenity Prayer goes "God grant the me serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. The first one should be titled "The Egotistic Serenity Prayer."
So many of the women teachers are progressives. It's encouraging to see women like Alisa stand for the orthodox (small "o"!) Christian faith.
Yeah it’s kinda weird. And I feel like many churches are getting into the “social gospel” and leaving out the saving fact.
Well she's a woman and not supposed to be preaching at all so that in itself is progressive.
@@tiredoftheworld4834 It's a big problem, mainly because there is no social gospel, there is only one gospel. We do good works AS believers, not to become believers. Anything attached to "faith alone in Christ" in terms of obtaining salvation needs to be removed.
Doesn't hurt to "qualify the word orthpodox wit the word "historical" as in" historical, orthodox Christian faith. Or the word Biblical works also- just so people do not think you are nodding to easternor Russian orthodox etc.,
Not all women preachers/teachers are progressive….and God uses both men and WOMEN to preach, teach…it’s about souls getting saved!
Thank you for your faithfulness and courage to stand firm on things many called and ordained Pastors are not addressing. Beliefs matter, core values matter, both in life and in the church!
Amen! I had a “Christian” tell me that God’s commandments are actually just “suggestions.” These are the false prophets and teachers we are warned about in the Bible who will tell you what you want to hear rather than the truth of God’s Word. Just another way our enemy is using his deceptive lies to lead people astray from God’s truth.
People with "itching ears".
lol the "10 Suggestions"
So what commands do you pick and choose? Do you eat pig? Where wool and cotton? Worship on Sunday? Those are all sins. Not to mention that fact that there is a graven image in every church here. Don't act like your better because you only belive in the blood parts. Ya gotta do all or none of it.
@@madeinusa5395 there are 613 of them actually.
@@frankstanley8499 Actually, the commandment says, "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together" (Deuteronomy 22:11). First of all, it would be nearly impossible to make such a garment: linen is very fine and smooth, while wool is too thick and coarse. It would be like weaving shoelaces with barbed wire. Secondly, even if you could make such a garment, it would be impossible to maintain it. Linen must be washed in water, but wool must be dry-cleaned. Regardless of how you try it, wool would shrink every time it is cleaned, so the garment would be ruined and unusable before long.
Hi Alisa Childers, I am a progressive Christian. For point five, you said "you don't ask questions because you want to know answers."
I can tell you, though, that progressive Christians such as myself are interested in knowing answers. I started studying philosophy and theology because I wanted to understand the different answers that people give to my questions and try to find out which one is true, if that is possible.
Christians should be getting their answers from the Bible, not mortal men, philosophers and ideologues. I pray you ask The Holy Spirit for guidance! 🙏🏻❤️
Keep asking questions jb. God doesn't want intellectually lazy people. That is why he gave us the freedom to choose. He wants us to come to him of our own free will. Most of this is just bunk.
@@jennyknapp3332 that is a strange philosophy. The Bible is not a book of answers. That is reductionist. It doesn't explain why gravity works or why there is a universe or why we humans have lungs and live on land instead of having gills and living in the water (most of the surface of our planet is covered by water after all). The Bible is the living Word. A record of the way people experienced the One True God.
The Bible is about God and not about people. Turning the Bible into an instruction manual is antithetical to faith and trust. We see in a mirror dimly... and that is the intention of our current experience with God. One day we will be able to see Him clearly, but today is not that day.
@@EleventhHour78Why gravity is a thing, or why we are land creatures; the answers to such questions are not necessary for our Salvation. If those answers were important, they'd certainly be found in The Bible.
Answers to important questions, such as "Are we condemned, and if so, why?" or "How should we behave, how should we relate to our families, and treat others?" or "What is the path to Eternal Salvation?"- those ARE found in The Bible.
A progressive priest tried to convince me there's no Hell because God is too loving. I've changed that belief. Jesus said it so I believe 🙏 it.
Jesus spoke of fire, Gehenna and Hades. Translations of expressions like eternal punishment and torment are dubious.
Just get your answers from Gods word….always!! Too many leading people astray. You have to read the Bible. Blessings! ❤️
Matt. 7 : 21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So many are just making stuff up and sticking on the vocabulary and names of scripture, even the Lord's name. Lord, have mercy on us all not to be deceived and come to Your truth.
This was good!!
The one that hits it in a nutshell is they value questioning over absolutes.
There are many in churches today that are into progressive Christianity unknowingly also. I have come across many that are into practicing yoga and mindfulness meditations in churches. New Agers and progressive Christians are like cousins, they are big into yogas and meditations, do a lot of teachings on self love and mantras and they are influencing a lot of people around the world not only here in America. We believers need to be in vigilant. Thank You Alisa for spreading this kind of awareness and teachings. I am from India, and it breaks my heart to see how Hinduism and other Eastern religion has impacted and misled many Christians here. I am still learning about this new age religion and i see they are just a modernized Hinduism that is being formed to fit the western culture and thus lured many into this religion. I try my best to speak up against these kinds of practices/religion and make awareness of it whenever I get opportunities. God bless your ministry!
I condemn them and wish destruction upon them in the mighty name of JESUS
Why don't you do yoga in the name of Jesus?
Really good summary and spot on biblical answers. Thanks for your hard work and may God bless and keep you, your family and your ministry!
This makes so much sense now; what they are doing is all out there for us to see we just have to look for them and then act accordingly. Super cool thank you!
I'm having to pick my jaw up from the floor. I've heard of progressive Christianity, but had no idea this is what they believe. Thank you so much for this video. I really learned a lot!
This is NOT what they believe! This woman creates strawmen to keep you in evangelical churches so that she and her friends can keep making money off of you!
@@logicalcomrade7606 How do you know that's true?
@@logicalcomrade7606 These people gave up the money to follow Christ. Maybe you should keep listening.
@@logicalcomrade7606 The points are from the Progressive Christian website...
Really good. I'm a missionary in the Philippines and honestly I had no idea that this has become so pervasive in the States. Very grievous indeed. Thank you for making this very clear.
You "didn't know" because none of this is true. This woman has no idea what actual progressive Christians believe.
To calm your spirit, remember that only megachurches and wannabe megachurches are like this. Very few small churches are like this.
After 8 years abroad, I moved back to the US with my family. It is HARD to find a church that preaches the Bible and not a false gospel these days! So many churches (even in the Bible belt where we live) teach social justice gospel, prosperity gospel, etc. Their church websites speak more about inclusion and affirmation of LGBTQ, CRT, global warming, etc. than Jesus. It grieves me deeply to see the churches turn away! We need to speak out and teach out kids apologetics!
@@SeanWinters I've noticed that too. Small, non-denominational churches seem to have avoided this, though I can't speak for all of them, obviously (and plenty of them have their own issues.) While some of the major protestant denominations have embraced it.
Thank you! This video was affirming in a lot of ways and helped to shed light on many of the twisted words/phrases and Biblical terms they are trying to redefine. Praise the Lord for His true Word and for those pursuing and clinging to Scripture!
I'm very new to your Channel, BUT *I'M LOVING* your content *=)* fantastic video and breakdown *=)* God bless Sis 💜 And God bless *ALL* my Brother's and Sister's out there reading this 💜
Thank you Alisa for explaining this! I was shocked when I heard a rabbi say to someone who is not a believer say to him that he sees God in him, ya sounding new age to me & seeing you explain this really helps. It’s sad that I know some people that went to Christian University with me in this route. Lord help those that are in progressive, open their eyes to the truth
When I was in grad school (many moons ago), I had to solidify a biblical worldview which meant studying the difference in these philosophical views. They can sound very Christian on the surface, but we have to read the Bible and understand how vastly different these views are. These views are seeping into churches and well meaning people.
Thanks. This confirmed I'm a progressive Christian. I respect where you stand however.
But why use the name of Jesus Christ for your new religion? Is it out of nostalgia for a Christian childhood or something like that? Or do you have some obsession with Christian culture?
Brilliant, Alisa! You speak with such clarity... God bless and keep you always!
Just as it was in the beginning with Eve .The enemy having mankind questioning the truth of God by enticing her to ask ... “Did God really say ..?”
But the Holy Spirit says to those with ears to hear ......”The enemy was a lier from the beginning, he is the father of lies .....but the Lord is the way the TRUTH and the life.”
The Devil uses the same trick over and over because it keeps working.
Thank you for explaining so clearly what progressive Christians believe. I understand better now. Thank you for your ministry.
As someone who probably fits under her label she missed the emphasis on Mercy, Restorative Justice, Ecumenicism, Incultruration, the words and actions of Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Henry Nouwen, MlK jr's letter from birmingham jail, Jesus's Sernon on the Mount, the Greatest Commandment, as well as Comtemplative Prayer practices like Lecito Divina.
song of ascents. Of David.
1 How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!
2 It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron’s beard,
down on the collar of his robe.
3 It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the Lord bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore.
Psalm 133
The lord's prayer First Nations version:
O great spirit, our father from above, we honour your name as sacred
and Holy. Bring your good road to us, where the beauty of your ways in
the spirit world above is reflected below.
provide for us day by day- the elk, the buffalo, and the salmon.
The corn, the squash, and the wild rice. All the things we need for each
for each day.
Release us from the things we have done wrong, in the same way we release
others for the things done wrong to us.
@@loveandmercy9664 Thanks for showing why progressive "Christianity" is not biblical.
@@loveandmercy9664 I can't be united with anybody who refuses to put the Bible as the ONLY rule of Christian faith.
@@davidlafleche1142 Where does the it say the Bible is the ONLY rule of faith in the Bible?
@@davidlafleche1142 I think Progressives believe that the only rule of Christian faith is Jesus's example and teachings of God's way. That's different.
For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
If ever there was a time that shouts this truth, it’s now!!
You and Mike Winger (he just gave a message about this) are right on target on this subject. 💯
You are entitled to your opinions, iam a progressive Christian!
I have heard of some of those 8 concepts before but hearing them all together makes sense of so much of what these folks believe and do. The problem is that on the surface so much of this sounds warm and loving to the world and makes it difficult to stand against.
Satan is very cunning and knows what words to use.
I wandered around lost and on my own for a long time. I finally found my way home and even though my journey led me back to a different faith than Alisa I have a great deal of respect for her and admire what she is doing to call out false teachings. Thank you for this one, great message.
I love that you made it understandable. Thank you.
Thank you for the points 😊
Thank you for enlightening us
Thank you for all that you do! I’ve learned so much of what to look for. Just the other day I watched a Holy Post podcast video with Jen Hatmaker, just to see what would be said. One thing that struck me was this sense of striving and “look at me, I have it all figured out now”-but it just made me feel kinda empty and anxious. But what really stood out to me was that one of the hosts asked her what she missed most from traditional/historic Christianity and she said “the certainty”, which you have clued me in on-that progressives almost worship uncertainty-but it made me sad bc it was like almost in that moment she thought “maybe I’m wrong, maybe I should turn back from this” but then she dismissed it and embraced the uncertainty again. It just really struck me, and then I find this video about the uncertainty thing. It’s all very interesting.
We are not made with the capacity to understand the infinite. How can we be certain of our understanding of God? The words in the bible? No. they are guides but do not offer certainty. Life is a mystery. Our relationship with God is a mystery. Jesus tells us how to live. If you need certainty you are missing the point and only seeking ... comfort.
The Holy Spirit will lead you in
ALL TRUTH!
Hi Alisa, do you have the full video of your presentation to this extracted video here? Love to see the whole video on your biblical exposition.
Excellent presentation and very well explained!
I really enjoyed listening to your video It was good !!
Wow! IM A PROGRESSIVE CHRISTIAN AND DIDNT EVEN KNOW IT!! I THOUGHT I WAS JUST, BEING OPENMINDED
It’s refreshing to hear someone like Alisa be a woman dedicated to THE truth. So many women teachers have fallen into the ditch of feminism, social justice and putting FEELINGS above that truth. Prioritizing peoples’ feelings is why there are so many false teachings nowadays.
Very good👏
Where can I watch this full talk?
Great website love her teaching
I thought growing up that Progressive Christianity meant Salvation by Faith Alone while the Traditionalists believed in Salvation by Works so I was often times confused why Progressive Christians often times demonized Evangelical Protestants because Evangelicals were the ones who believed that Amazing Grace Salvation is given as a gift to anyone who believes and accept that Christ completed the work on the Cross. Boy I was wrong.
so good, thanks
Progressive Christianity is a syncretism between the old religion, Christianity, and the new religion, atheism. Often when a society moves from one religion to another there is an intermediary period where the two religions are combined, for example there were Scandinavians a thousand years ago who worshipped Jesus and Thor before moving entirely to the new religion, Christianity.
Alisa! Fantastic teaching here…you have revealed what is causing the shady veil to fall over the church.
Mrs Childers, will your book Another Gospel be translated in Dutch?
Amen, Sista! 👊🏻
You either believe or you don't. Change is good, but ruining core values is not.
Great video!
Love what you do Alyssa. Appreciate your work of bringing darkness into the light.
So clear and powerful! Thank you for posting!
Alisa, are you familiar with the book "Altogether You" by Jenna Riemersma? I would love to hear your perspective on it.
There is no question or doubt about it. My way is always the better way; my truth is always the better truth; and my life is always the better life.
Excellent overview
Very good video.
Progressive means a belief in man progressing toward greater things; they believe in human perfectibility. They believe that if all who agree join together, "we can do it!' Progressivism doesn't acknowledge the God who is real, and who has revealed Himself to those who are willing to believe in Him. Jesus said God has has hidden His truth from the _wise_ and _prudent _ and has revealed His truth to the "babes". The progressives, alone, aren't too wise in their own eyes to believe; there are plenty of conservatives in the same boat. That's just one reason we need to quit dragging God down to the level of the politicians, Left or Right. The most important is that God is Holy, and mankind is not, including all politicians and their political philosophies. All are sinful, loaded with pragmatism, which denies the importance of the holiness and truth of God.
It sounds more like the adoration of self and seeking to be on the same level as God.
all this time i had heard of progressive christianity but had no clue it meant this! i thought they just were politically more liberal or something. this is actually scary and i say this as someone who is just in my 30's . thank you for always making these kinds of videos explaining this stuff
You had no clue it meant that because it doesn't. This is just what she wants to say it means.
We are saved by faith, not by works. It’s not about “enlightenment”, it’s about refusing to remain ignorant.
I think its only Evangelicals that believe her. They seem to need this kind of literalist perspective. I think it makes them feel like they have a leg up on everyone else. Plus she has a bad habit of misrepresenting them.
You "think"? Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
progressive Christians don't believe that.
I am not a christian but I am all for progress and science. But I know for a fact that the first step toward gaining in true knowledge especially gaining in scientific knowledge is the acknowledging and the admitting of ones own ignorance which requires the humbling of oneself, and the subsequent step involves trying, working and making an earnest, sincere and dedicated effort toward acquiring true knowledge in that area or subject of study or any other chosen area of endeavour, although the best motivation for that would be purely only as a means and as an end to serve the world and the community at large, and not as a means and as an end to profit from and to make money out of it; I suppose much like a christian would say, the first step toward gaining in virtue would be the confessing and the acknowledging and admitting of ones sin and the subsequent steps would involve repenting from, turning away from and shunning all sin and evil, and doing all one can to be virtuous.
EXCELLENT!!
This was laid out so well. I will be able to share this with my progressive thinking daughter without her feeling attacked. Truth only
Wow. I believed in panentheism for sooo long! Thank you for calling this out!
Very interesting. I appreciate the explanation of Progressive Christianity by Alisa.
Was never really informed & sure what this PC agenda was espousing.
Also, we Progressive Christians don’t all have to believe the same thing. And God is not usually called “He.” Good job! You make it sound awesome!!! I mean, some of it was a bit off, but all-in-all, you did a great job explaining my beliefs. Although I would say they came from the same Bible that you study and not from culture. Go with God!!! 😘
I had heard of her first point in one of my classess in college a long time ago
When explaining panentheism and God fitting into the things created (like a hand fitting into a glove or seeing the divine in someone,). can you clarify how that is different from the Christian being indwelt by God the Holy Spirit? And God making His home in His people?
The difference is that the Holy Spirit doesn’t indwell a person before they are saved… that happens at conversion.
I attended a church a few years ago. For the most part, it seemed like a pretty good church. There were some problems, and also, because it was another race, I picked up that they probably didn't really want me there. But a lot seemed really sound and I enjoyed going there while I did. One thing bothered me when the kids led the music. They were highschool and college students, and they gathered on stage, with some musicians, a guitarist or maybe two, a piano player, a drummer, and sometimes a saxophonist. The singers had tambourines if the songs were appropriate for them. For the most part,the songs were okay, although I'd have preferred more older hymns and spirituals.
But they had one that worried me: "The Jesus in me greets the Jesus in you". I wasn't sure that they did not mean it as born again Christians, talking about Jesus being in us, through the indwelling Holy Spirit, or whether it was just trying to syncretize the extremely popular "Namaste" of yoga practitioners and popular Buddhism., as if it was the same as the Holy Spirit indwelling us, when it isn't. It was possible to think about it both ways, but I was a visitor there. Had I tried to delve more into what they meant by that, I would have been seen as ungrateful, and perhaps wanting to think the worst. That wasn't true; I was just worried about it. Maybe I should have been more willing to be hated, but I kept my mouth shut, and never even mentioned it to the lady whose guest I was. I haven't talked to her since the pandemic, but to be fair, my phone broke and I got a new one, and her number was in the old phone.
As someone who probably fits under her label she missed the emphasis on Mercy, Restorative Justice, Ecumenicism, Incultruration, the words and actions of Gandhi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Henry Nouwen, MlK jr's letter from a birmingham jail, Jesus's Sernon on the Mount, the Greatest Commandment, as well as Comtemplative Prayer practices like Lecito Divina.
song of ascents. Of David.
1 How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!
2 It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron’s beard,
down on the collar of his robe.
3 It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the Lord bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore.
Psalm 133
A Rabbi showed me that verse on a ecumenical retreat.
The lord's prayer First Nations version:
O great spirit, our father from above, we honour your name as sacred
and Holy. Bring your good road to us, where the beauty of your ways in
the spirit world above is reflected below.
provide for us day by day- the elk, the buffalo, and the salmon.
The corn, the squash, and the wild rice. All the things we need for each
for each day.
Release us from the things we have done wrong, in the same way we release
others for the things done wrong to us.
@@loveandmercy9664 I don't think Alisa's denying that sometimes those who don't profess Christianity can show love, kindness and wisdom (sometimes more so than many Christians). Other teachings may be helpful, but ultimately not if they contradict Christ's teaching that no-one can come to the Father except by him. We don't compare ourselves with others; we compare ourselves with who we were before following Christ and who we become as we allow Him to transform us.
Wow Allysa you really hit nerves. So many progressives her commenting and lashing out. Teaching us exactly how to pray for them. What's your describing is universalism. They say the Christian name. But it's really just basically the teaching of the universal universalist Church it sounds like.
This all kind of reminds me of Elijah and prophets of Baal. Can you imagine a bunch of Progressive Christians and Biblical Christians coming together with the Progressives laying down the gauntlet to prove who is right? No doubt I can see fire coming down from heaven, consuming their altar.
Excellent
The redefining of Biblical terms is very key here as it is how Progressive Christianity creeps into Seeker-Friendly churches. I hear many messages that talk about loving people without love being defined. I hear church community outreaches that focus on what they are for not what they are against. This ultimately ends with compromise to the truth of God.
Some progressive churches do not use the word God to be more palateable to athiests/agnostics in the congregation.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:17(KJV)
Amen!!!!!!
Speaking as a Progressive Christian, I think you provided a pretty good summary. However, I have a few minor corrections.
You said that we aren't asking questions to get answers and that thinking we have answers makes our peers see us as less enlightened. That's not entirely accurate. We do seek answers, but we recognize that the answer I come up with and the answer you come up with may not be the same answer, and we are okay with that. I don't think any of us would claim that we have definitive knowledge on anything that is unprovable, but we certainly would be able to claim that we found an answer that makes sense to us.
I'm a pantheist (unlike most Progressive theologians who are panentheists). Some pantheists do see God as a synonym for the universe, but I don't think I've met a Christian pantheist who believes that. Many of us believe - as Lutheran theologian Dr. Paul Tillich said - God is "existence itself" or "the ground of being". Or, as Rev. Dr. Caleb J. Lines said, 'I like the idea about thinking of all living things connected by a web. Whenever something happens at one point in the web, it sends reverberations that impact all other things. God is that luminous web. If we try to say much more, other than God being the source of connection and love between us all, we are missing the point. That's what I mean when I say "God".' To be clear, neither of them are pantheists, but their words are no incompatible with pantheism and still resonate.
We also don't celebrate or encourage everything someone else might do. For instance, if someone's beliefs or actions are causing harm to themselves or others, I will try to dissuade them from continuing. You and I are likely to disagree on whether certain things are harmful or not, but that's different than saying that we Progressives support harmful behavior or thoughts.
Our hearts can be as " happy warriors."
Wow!! 😯
The Great Falling Away is here
We communicate with shared ideas and exclude with differences.
What if the great falling away was the schism between East and west or the Protestant reformation
The great falling away has been here for a long time
I mean, in all those points there is something which _Apostolic_ Christians can agree with at some level (e.g. one cornerstone of the relationship with God is admitting the fact that God is mystery, He is not a concept but a person, and therefore we cannot reach the absolute understanding of the Truth - which does not mean absolutes doesn't exist or that we have not received the correct faith that was once delivered to the saints)… but that's exactly the problem. Those points are so vague that they can mean practically anything people want them to mean, and that's kinda dangerous, and this video shows one aspect of these dangers.
Uhm...you skipped the bit in 1 Cor. 13 where it says "Love keeps no record of wrongs"
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word!
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
sounds like Universal Unitarian
“Therefore, since God in his mercy has given us this new way, we never give up. We reject all shameful deeds and underhanded methods. We don’t try to trick anyone or distort the word of God. We tell the truth before God, and all who are honest know this.”
2 Corinthians 4:1-2 NLT
Excellent presentation :) I might add that progressive Christians view the Bible as allegorical rather than factual; some say one can interpret it to suite one's own fancy.
Parables are allegories. Jesus used them often.
Even the church fathers interpreted the Bible through an allegorical lens.
There are allegories in the Bible, but not everything is allegorical, and much is literal. The context reveals which is allegorical or not. The further away from the apostles, the more philosophical, and the more likely the so-called ECFs were to allegorize everything away that they didn't want to deal with as literal. But not all early church teachers, after the apostles allegorized everything.. There were some faithful to the truth.
@@lindajohnson4204 which ECFS were faithful to the truth?
@@loveandmercy9664 This is about the third time in as many weeks that someone has tried to draw me into a showdown about the ECFs. Frankly, I do not remember who, and I'm working from a phone, and one that's sticking and malfunctioning, but if I speak a name I believe was faithful, I just bet you're going to seize on it to try for force the ECFs down my throat, to prove your point., which someone has been trying to do over and over just recently. Lately, it has been to force baptismal regeneration, or infant baptism, on me, by brute force, so I guess that would either be Roman Catholic or Lutheran. But I keep refusing, partly because I'm relatively ignorant about the ECFs, and would have to get something online to refer to, and because I don't trust the motives of the bullies who try to force their opinions down my throat so forcefully,. If you were able to force me to see that every single ECF was in agreement with you, including Barnabas, it would still not mean that the Bible teaches what you're going to try to force on me. If they disagreed with the Bible, it would mean nothing. So I am not interested in engaging with someone about the ECFs who is so gung ho about using them to prove his point, especially since it has been the same attack, over and over. I am not interested in talking with anyone who is ruthless in forcing something down my throat, whether three different people in the last three weeks, or probably closer to two weeks, and that's whether you are the same person, from the same organization, or a bot, or whatever else you could be. I despise ruthlessness in theology. It's all about the force; there is no fear of God there. It is supposed to be about God, as if we believe He is real. So I beg of you to please leave me alone. This is not an admission of being wrong, but it is of being not especially well, and very tired. I will say that I have less respect for the ruthless religionists who believe that their intended end justifies their evil means, than I ever have in my life. Please leave me alone.
If they don't think Jesus Christ is the only way to be right with God the Father and to Heaven, I would argue that progressive Christians are not Christians at all.
Your argument is reasonable, they would just say you are not "enlightened"
Progressive Christians can call themselves Christians, but it's really a different religion all together the Gospels make it clear Jesus, is the only way to salvation if and scripture is divinely inspired, if you don't believe so there's no reason to call yourself Christian.
Thanks! For #5, there is definitely more value in accepting the absolute truth of the Word of God and especially of accepting Jesus, who is Truth, than in questioning. But there is also value in questioning any doctrine to ensure that this doctrine is sound and consistent with the Word of God. Conservative Christians could use a great deal more questioning and seeking and searching to be certain that every belief is firmly rooted and not contradicted in the Word of God and freely admit when we are unsure exactly what is true on certain difficult to understand doctrines.
Paul lauded the Bereans, whom he called more noble-minded because they accepted teachings with an open mind but checked the scriptures daily to see if the things he said were true. Jesus and His disciples quoted the Old Testament 100 times or even 1000 times more often than preachers do today. Backup every word with the Word.
Check out the work of Neville Figgis for relevant apologetics against liberal theology. It stands up even after a century.
This is all very familiar to anyone who has been following Marxist thought.
I started reading a book that I picked up some years ago. Christianity and Liberalism, by J. Gresham Machen. One passage: "The truth is, the God of modern preaching, though He may perhaps be very good, is rather uninteresting. Nothing is so insipid as indiscriminate good humor. Is that really love that costs so little? If God necessarily forgive, no matter what we do, why trouble ourselves about Him at all? Such a God may deliver us from the fear of hell. But his heaven, if He has any, is full of sin." This was written 100 years ago.
Which also reminds me, I don't remember the word "sin" or the cross mentioned in that progressive list at all.
8:38 Theres different rewards in heaven sure, i would just argue that wealth doesnt exist in the system down here without dominating, hurting and exploiting people.
This sounds pretty cool! Thank you for introducing me to progressive Christianity. I want to try to become involved in one of these churches.
But why use the name of Jesus Christ for your new religion? Is it out of nostalgia for a Christian childhood or something like that? Or do you have some kind of obsession with Christian culture? Please, I just want to understand
For real 😅
"But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles. But even if I am unskilled in speech, yet I am not so in knowledge; in fact, in every way we have made this evident to you in all things." -
2 Corinthians 11:3-6
So what´s the difference between progressives and ecumenism
We live for the almighty, he does not live for us. For we do not deserve to be forgiven but the father through his divine grace sent us his only begotten son to save us from our sins! Praise the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings for he is God! ❤❤❤❤
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It’s happening more and more in once traditional churches. Such evil times.
It isn’t evil. It’s removing the evangelical hate and exclusion from Faith. The Bible was given from God but it isn’t all God is. Her speech reeks of evil, justifying excluding those not like her. As usual, epitomizing the burning desire conservatives have to control and dominate people who believe differently.
Excellent and truthful explanation. Sadly I know someone who fits all of this description, completely consumed by new age beliefs.
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Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6
For somebody who claims the people that she is criticizing make a lot of assumptions and assertions, she sure makes a lot of assumptions and assertions.
Saying that everybody deserves death is one of the most hateful and arrogant things that people like her say. It’s the same type of thing and abuser tells its victim in order to keep it feeling worthless, and the church has been doing this for centuries. My response to that vitriol is always “well? You first.”
It is not an assumption to claim that all life is connected. We have many different ways to show this, but if you cover your eyes and plug your ears and sing la la la when presented with it then you are a fool, plain and simple.
It’s not hard to understand why church populations are on the decrease, but of course they will continue to blame it on a snake and some fruit. That’s another tactic of an abuser, that when the victim finally breaks away they still try to put the blame on them.
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Jesus saved us from death. He took our place on the cross. I believe that’s why she said that.
If you know Jesus, you are definitely thankful for what He did. Philippians 2:6-11
@@DawnOtto1 You "know" nothing but what you have read in a book written by humans. We did nothing, there was no garden, we have disproven that. If you choose to ignore this, never ever go to a doctor again because modern medicine is based on biology which is true because everything we know about evolution is true. Telling people that they are "born broken" over something that 1) never happened and 2) even if it did they didn't do it so why should they pay for it? is abusive and arrogant because you assume superiority over those who disagree with you. Try responding with something other than quoting irrelevant texts.
@@ManahManah77 I choose not to hear you berate the God of creation. May he gently nudge you and speak His Word of truth in your ear, and may you heed to His Wisdom. He knows you better than anyone in this planet, including yourself. Have a nice day.
@@ManahManah77 P.S. you wont be able to deny Him.
@@DawnOtto1 What a smug and predictable response. You sound like a pouting child. Again, please, never go to a doctor again. At least that way you'll not be a hypocrite by denying science while using it to better and prolong your own life. Get off of the internet while you are at it. Also, disconnect your electricity, your water, everything that science and technology have given you. You choose to plug your ears, is what you choose to do. "You won't be able to deny Him" is a demonstration of your own darkness and sullen hatred of mankind, as you condemn anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do. I believe there was a historical Jesus who walked this earth and that the things attributed to him were probably said. The message of forgiveness and recognition that we are all the flawed is not anything divinely inspired, though, it is simply called humility. Morality is a natural part of our evolution as human beings. We are not the only living things on this planet to have emotions such as sadness and empathy, and as social creatures it was beneficial for us to not kill, steal from, and otherwise be destructive towards each other. Children have this empathy naturally, and it's only when they witness or are subjected to cruel things like you an this woman preach, and you are a horrible human being if you think a child would go to hell if they are not "saved". I mean, that's on the level of psychopathy. I suppose I've wasted my time here as you are going to just plug your ears and offer no original thought as response, so I'll just hope you don't harm anyone with your actions that are motivated by such arrogance.
😮 How convenient - I pray for those who are lost including this woman.
I'd go wild if it were called 7 point progressivism with the acronym AVOCADO or something.