Thank you. Simple is always best when it comes to reciprocating components. There is obviously a bevel at the base of each extractor and I would imagine that hardening/tempering is a delicate procedure with such small items. The ejector mechanism is a thing of beauty.
t has always a mystery to me why anyone would want an inappropriate cartridge in a double rifle, this highly complicated and liable to fail system would be redundant if an equivalent performing cartridge with a proper rim was used, highly innovative as it is, there is just another thing to go wrong, what we need is a simple rimmed cartridge in a double rifle, given that it is to be used in a hot climate which can increase pressures and inhibit extraction. A very clear overview of this complicated many thanks for posting! Chris B.
Hi Chris, I could not agree more on the complexity of the system and the answer on why it was done, boils down to money - when the 450 31/4 was banned in the British colonies, everyone wanted a piece of the action and as Westley was already selling the 425 as bolt cartridge, a simple decission was made to offer the 425 in double configuration untill sufficient 476 Westley Richards rifles ( with a proper rim) could be supplied- Bulk of the rifles in 425 double actually went to India where most hunting at that time was done from the back of an Elephant or tree stand- so I guess reliability was not life threatening.
@@oldcolonialtreasures114 That is a good point about shooting from an Elephant or tree stand being without immediate danger, and of course the 450 ban brought about many "work around" calibers like the 475 and 470, it was a typical government knee jerk reaction which probably did very little to stop rebel activities. Stay safe! Chris B.
Fantastic engineering!! That said, having the choice I would pick a rimmed cartridge for a double, just a bit simpler, and perhaps more reliable…. Great video!
I built a 416 taylor double rifle. I am gonna rechamber it to 416 rigby. I made extractors for the rim less case bu they kept breaking. I think I over engineered them. Made them spring loaded. I'm gonna make some lime on you 425 westly Richard's. Very simple but effective. Making them with tiny springs made the blades small and fragile.
@@markmitchell-hy2vs I have almost 100 rounds of 416 rigby ( rimless ) I got a real good deal on. Also got the reloading dies with the ammo. Otherwise I would do that. Thank you appreciate the info
If you can spark erode the holes into the extractors for the slides that makes life easier. It might be worth deepening the extractor bed and fitting thicker extractors. They also have a small diameter plunger with a light spring coming in from the sides,held in by a small screw.This works onto a couple of detents to hold the slide in the up or down positions so it can't flop up and down. Sadly it does make the extractors a bit thin in places but it has to be there.
Rigby had a double in .416 Rigby by a Maharaja ,he almost wore that barrel out through years of big game hunts . I think the .416 nr2 for some time will be limited to Rigby rifles , proprietary cartridge
The ejector sliding piece sits in a square cut in the ejector body open on top and bottom and yes the screw prevents the sliding piece falling out and limits the amount of travel up and down
@peetsnort:- Ejectors are the last thing you need on a double rifle, they are noisy and ping your expensive brass into the leaf litter never to be found again, extractors are quiet, and the brass is easily removed and dropped down the neck of your shirt.
@@453421abcdefg12345 I may beg to differ, I hunted a buffalo last year with the Wilkinson double in 470 as an extractor only rifle and another buffalo bull last week with the 425 Westley Richard in ejector double- the ejector was faster to reload for me and once the first shot was fired it really didn't matter what pinged and what didn't- also I had the spare tracker follow me on my right and he recovered 100% of my cases. When speed is absolute I will prefer an ejector-BUT on a proper rimmed cartridge.
Thank you. Simple is always best when it comes to reciprocating components. There is obviously a bevel at the base of each extractor and I would imagine that hardening/tempering is a delicate procedure with such small items. The ejector mechanism is a thing of beauty.
Very interesting thank you ,always wondered how those cartridges eject in a double
t has always a mystery to me why anyone would want an inappropriate cartridge in a double rifle, this highly complicated and liable to fail system would be redundant if an equivalent performing cartridge with a proper rim was used, highly innovative as it is, there is just another thing to go wrong, what we need is a simple rimmed cartridge in a double rifle, given that it is to be used in a hot climate which can increase pressures and inhibit extraction. A very clear overview of this complicated many thanks for posting! Chris B.
Hi Chris, I could not agree more on the complexity of the system and the answer on why it was done, boils down to money - when the 450 31/4 was banned in the British colonies, everyone wanted a piece of the action and as Westley was already selling the 425 as bolt cartridge, a simple decission was made to offer the 425 in double configuration untill sufficient 476 Westley Richards rifles ( with a proper rim) could be supplied- Bulk of the rifles in 425 double actually went to India where most hunting at that time was done from the back of an Elephant or tree stand- so I guess reliability was not life threatening.
@@oldcolonialtreasures114 That is a good point about shooting from an Elephant or tree stand being without immediate danger, and of course the 450 ban brought about many "work around" calibers like the 475 and 470, it was a typical government knee jerk reaction which probably did very little to stop rebel activities. Stay safe! Chris B.
@@453421abcdefg12345 You sure are 100% spot on !!
Elephant platform is not a. stable platform. And often it was and is a target for the Royal Bengal Tiger ,
Very interesting. Thank you!
Fantastic engineering!! That said, having the choice I would pick a rimmed cartridge for a double, just a bit simpler, and perhaps more reliable….
Great video!
I do agree, somewhat !
I built a 416 taylor double rifle. I am gonna rechamber it to 416 rigby. I made extractors for the rim less case bu they kept breaking. I think I over engineered them. Made them spring loaded. I'm gonna make some lime on you 425 westly Richard's. Very simple but effective. Making them with tiny springs made the blades small and fragile.
If you go for a Rigby 416 #2 it's a rimmed 416 case. Same as the Rigby 416 but with a rim.
@@markmitchell-hy2vs I have almost 100 rounds of 416 rigby ( rimless ) I got a real good deal on. Also got the reloading dies with the ammo. Otherwise I would do that. Thank you appreciate the info
If you can spark erode the holes into the extractors for the slides that makes life easier. It might be worth deepening the extractor bed and fitting thicker extractors. They also have a small diameter plunger with a light spring coming in from the sides,held in by a small screw.This works onto a couple of detents to hold the slide in the up or down positions so it can't flop up and down. Sadly it does make the extractors a bit thin in places but it has to be there.
.500-416 you can rechqmber to also ,that is made by several makers .
Rigby had a double in .416 Rigby by a Maharaja ,he almost wore that barrel out through years of big game hunts .
I think the .416 nr2 for some time will be limited to Rigby rifles , proprietary cartridge
So unlike a rimmed case, which head-spaces on the rim, this cartridge head-spaces on the shoulder? Is that correct?
Being a bottleneck case designed for bolt action rifles initially, I do believe you are correct
Yes , correct with the added complication that brings to chambering under duress.
I always wondered how the companies extracted/ejected rimless cases.
So that extractor sits in a hole that must be filed or broached. Are they pivoting or sliding? Is that little screw a limit for up and down movement?
The ejector sliding piece sits in a square cut in the ejector body open on top and bottom and yes the screw prevents the sliding piece falling out and limits the amount of travel up and down
I feel it should be law for all doubles to have ejectors.. besides It's so James bond
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@peetsnort:- Ejectors are the last thing you need on a double rifle, they are noisy and ping your expensive brass into the leaf litter never to be found again, extractors are quiet, and the brass is easily removed and dropped down the neck of your shirt.
@@453421abcdefg12345 I may beg to differ, I hunted a buffalo last year with the Wilkinson double in 470 as an extractor only rifle and another buffalo bull last week with the 425 Westley Richard in ejector double- the ejector was faster to reload for me and once the first shot was fired it really didn't matter what pinged and what didn't- also I had the spare tracker follow me on my right and he recovered 100% of my cases. When speed is absolute I will prefer an ejector-BUT on a proper rimmed cartridge.