Remember, a Steam console would make classics going back to the beginning of gaming available to you in a console friendly environment. Its library would instantly be the most vast and deep of any console ever.
Honestly considering the rate this generation has gone and how Sony cant intelligently spend their money to save their lives, they may replace Sony after that as well. This generation of consoles barring Nintendo has been the worst for both companies. The PS5 has become Sonys worst selling home console in their history. Even combining the xbox and sony consoles this gen, they still dont even outsell the switch. Not even close. We're talking sonys 64 ish mil and microsofts 31 ish mil to Nintnedos 164 Million.
I feel like a Steam home console could be a great option for those that can’t afford a powerhouse PC. A lot of people want to have the ease of access that the Steam software offers but can’t access all the games because of how they might run on a less expensive PC
We won’t need consoles in a few decades. Streaming will be good enough by then. Although, I anticipate these companies to always offer a local option simply bc people love it.
I don't think traditional gaming will die. People like to sit down and play. The zapper. The wii. Kinect. They all came and went. And vr itself is barely hanging on. Sure they can be fun when done proper. But a majority of people like to sit down and just play a game
You gotta love Valve, it's a fresh breath of air. They are an a open company with a flat hierarchy where employees are empowered to take ownership of their work and a company that listens to its community. I hear for example, that instead of suing modders they actually hired them in the past. Just a different way of doing things. Hope their console does well.
We love it when companies make billions of dollars in shady backdoor ways directly off of black/grey market gambling economies aimed at children, while doing everything in their power to make their noses appear clean. I hear, for example, there’s a whole ongoing Coffeezilla exposé about it. Just a different way of doing things.
@@DragonHeart613 there is an extremely high chance that they currently are and it's late in development, they've recently begun family and friends playtesting for a project internally called HLX
They did, but this was long before their massive spike in users, and before the Steam Deck became a big thing. I think they have a better chance than ever to try it, especially since Playstation and Xbox games are on the platform.
yup, but they didn't have proton, even if alot anti cheat games don't work on steamos/linux still the more user they are the harder to resist for the anti cheat to avoid so many console players
They did... but there are a couple things of note 1) Proton didn't exist back then. Wine did, sure, but it wasn't built into Steam so getting non-Linux native games running took a decent bit of extra effort. Valve relied on developers to provide Linux-native or SteamOS compatible builds of their games. So the amount of compatible games compared to now, was minuscule. 2) Valve did not build the Steam Machines themselves (outside of a proof-of-concept prototype that they gave to beta participants (I was one) to test) so the entire Steam Machine initiative was 3rd party manufacturers who were even free to NOT ship with SteamOS pre-loaded, or not ship with a Steam Controller if they didn't want to. There was also no limit on what hardware minimums or maximums should be adhered to, so you had hundreds of disparate devices, some shipping with Windows, some with SteamOS, some with very weak Intel iGPUs (remember, this was 2013 timeframe, there weren't any good iGPUs for gaming back then), some with insane dual GTX Titan X's, and prices ranging anywhere from $350 to $5000+. It was an absolute mess of a situation.
So they should just give up after failing one time? Pretty sure they just used it as a learning experience. I get the feeling there is a lot of "quit" in you.
I never had a Steam Deck but I really want one and a Steam home console sounds insane. I love having options available to me than just having one console to stick with.
Just be weary I love my steam deck but if you're more of a live service kinda guy this isn't for you anticheat and Linux just doesn't mix yet . But if your a consumer that enjoys more of a single player experience that's where it shines.
@@BryAnthonyC I'm very skeptical on the idea of Valve/Steam rolling out a console because they already tried this before with their SteamMachine and even though that console showed some early promise, it ended up failing big-time. They should just stick with Steam Deck & continue to make improvements on that. My brother & I are both hoping to get Steam Decks this year. They should just focus on making SD better & better and when the Steam Deck 2 inevitably gets announced one day, hopefully SD2 will be even more of a beast.
@@jimmymac2292 Not everyone is into PC Building. Not everyone prefers PC Gaming. Alot of gamers if not most prefer Console Gaming because it's easier & less complicated than PC.
@@DragonHeart613 it failed because linux gaming was garbage at the time and other reasons that have either changed or been fixed by them. if the steam deck released in the state the steam machine was in it would have failed too
Steam cant put Nintendo in the corner. We buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo games. Switch is very underpowered but sold many millions more that steam deck.
A steam box would be awesome, but what I’m mostly excited for (mostly cuz I already have a beast pc that’s smaller than my ps5) is when Valve releases their operating system for SteamOS. I am sick of having to use windows on my pc. It’s unfortunate because a lot of the multiplayer games I play require windows, but for my single player games it would make it so nice to have a more console friendly OS on my PC.
Don't expect a version of the SteamOS that is straight up ready for desktops any time in the near future. There is just too much hardware configurations for them to deal with when it comes to desktops. Easier to just stick to handhelds and/or some kind of fixed consoles, since they will be dealing with a much more limited number of factors as far as builds go.
@gothael if he can dual boot. That is an option. Winblows for anticheat games, SteamOS for the rest. Hopefully with a more solid rollout and mainstream traction, game studios will figure out how to run it all. I've been hopeful for this ever since I made my first steam machine using the old OS (debian iirc?). I digress. He could dual boot.
@@VisariDaBstyou can actually already get the same exact os that the steam deck is using on your desktop right now it just doesn’t work on nvidia graphics cards because Linux has amd drivers and intel drivers baked into the os
I do want a home setup for the reason being comfort. I deal with multiple chronic illnesses and for the last year I've been bed bound. I finally got a desk to go over my bed and that's helped a lot. I don't have a PC, never have, and just am not a hardcore gamer to justify it, so the Steam Deck is perfect for me. There are times of course where I would like to play on the TV or a larger screen in general and would love the home console setup. I think it's a perfect way in between for people who want to game comfortably and not have to sit at a desk all day, especially if they do that for a living already. I've seen many complain about not having a new gen for the controller and I hope they make it for sure if they plan to implement the home console, that should be pretty well understood. I'm not sure about the VR though unless they go into the direction that Viture is going, that would be the only way to stand apart from other VR headsets that can only be worn for short increments at a time. Viture is not perfect yet and although they have made their glasses to go with Steam Deck, I think Steam Deck could truly find a way to better it even more, even if it takes them all the way until their next gen to do so, which is still years out. Trying to jump on the VR train right now would not only be rushed and foolish but would tarnish a reputation of future VR tech they try later, but less people would be willing to throw down money for it since VR tech is just so expensive. I just don't think we're there yet, technology wise, Viture being the only one to come close, and have been a true game changer. I liked the idea of Steam working on it, but not with the picture they showed, which could easily be a random picture of an average VR headset. As competition goes, I agree, it is good. Valve could take everything Viture has succeeded in and fine tune it, work out the kinks, in design and more. Valve has proved they don't need to collaborate, instead design their own stuff, and learn from other companies' mistakes, and what the consumers really want in a device.
Of course they don't...LMFAO its going to be hilarious when the Nintendrones get disappointed by the 1080p two Switches taped together Switch 2, they've said 10,000 times they do not care what anyone else is doing.
I feel like the real problem with a steam console is the price. The Cheapest Steamdeck is $400 imagine how much an entire console would be worth I can see it costing $700 maybe more.
For $400 you get a very powerful portable device for the price. For the exact same price, you could make a console that can be overclocked further because battery doesn’t matter, they wouldn’t have to pay for things like the screen and speakers and the quality of the material wouldn’t matter. That budget could then be put into improving the specs. I think they could make a very powerful console for a pretty cheap price
It depends on what's inside the console and how much of a loss they're willing to take. Clearly they don't need to spend money on a LCD/OLED screen, or a lithium battery. Switch's technical limits come from the fact that it's a portable (as will Switch 2's).
$400 is reasonable for a device with a built-in screen, a controller, hepatics, gyro, track pads, a battery, and a custom chipset. If anything, a console could be around the same price, since you don't need to include most of what makes the Steam Deck a Steam Deck.
A PS5 already is 700 where I live, and if Valve would release a console with similar specs I would definitely be more interested in that (I dont own a PS5 yet)
With the Steam Deck and Steam Home Console it will be so ridiculously easy to play PC games that I don't see how Sony will sell their console because Steam is just a much better option. side note: Microsoft is making everything an Xbox is so they are not that affected by this and Nintendo is doing their own thing so it is only a problem for Sony
hot take: If microsoft and valve were to switch places back in 2001, where originally, "steambox" was the one competing with playstation and xplay was the pc storefornt, if they switched, we would be in a MUCH worse state than we are now. XPlay would fail to deliver good software/a usable storefront and SteamBox would not deliver any decent first party titles. Compared to that, we are in the better timeline.
Though I'm not interested in getting a Steam console, I'm all for Valve entering the console market and I hope they see some decent success. In my opinion, Sony and Nintendo need competition. Especiall Sony.
I think that Valve would do a 10x better job at creating a home console and being a competition to PS than xbox does now... It would even be awesome to see them create more games in the future, as they used to in the past
I’ve always wanted the ready player one experience I think for people who have physical limitations, anxiety, depression if you can go out and call these massive adventures and do all those things that they talk about in that series. I think a lot of people would be happier people I know there’s the other side of the coin just like everything else, but I truly do believe that it would do more good than harm again another wonderful video
I think that all VR really needs to see a surge in popularity is comfortable rig. Give us goggles/glasses/helmets that don't look like they could stop a bullet just from being that thick, swap the traditional controls for something more natural like hand gestures and voice commands, maybe figure out something to do with legs so people can move comfortably in the game, and then you're golden. A truly comfortable VR experience would be a game changer. Instead, we get stiff necks, sweaty eyes with racoon lines around them, oh, and the biggest name in the VR market is currently being run by the same people as the most toxic and outdate social media platform on the web (is Facebook worse than Twitter now, I avoid both, so I don't really know anymore).
EPYX was a very successful game maker that wasn't satisfied with the state of handheld gaming so they made a very innovative one themselves. But getting it to market was probably too big a hurdle for them to get over alone, so Atari released it as the Lynx.
Honestly, I'd rather play a steam console than a playstation. The pluses are: the largest library of games, already a lage fanbase. Minus - it could be a AAA console with no real 1st party support. That is the only thing that i dont like about it.
The prices are also much better, particularly for older titles, indies and wait for the big summer and winter sales. I just got the 5 modern Resident evil games (RE 7, RE 2 remake, RE 3 remake, RE 4 remake and RE village) with all their dlcs for around £40 on the xmas sales absolutely monster value.
I sure hope that physical media, and therefore the CD Drives or something else on computers, comes back because of the console. Owning something instead of licensing it is really REALLY important.
Steam home console would be great but I haven't played on a TV in years. I pretty much play exclusively handheld nowadays. Switch and steam deck. Sometimes with the viture pro xr glasses
The irony with Stadia, is they were actively paying devs to port games to Linux, which would have been extremely beneficial for steamdeck users now. Especially considering, they could have foot the bill for games with anticheat to be ported over.
I would actually love a steam box. I play co op games on my PC with my wife, and that's the only reason i turn the thing on. I just like proper consoles. Steam console would be badass!
They had to do it backwards because last time windows screwed them over when they first tried steam machines. This time they have their own OS that'll likely be free and open to anyone who wants it, which will drive them hard as a standard imo.
valve is bridging the cap between pc and console gaming with linux that has bit of reputation with ''normal'' people. Love to see it. Valve is taking full advantage of freedom of linux
I feel that the console experience is so much more user friendly and that has an immense value for the consumer in general. A steam console would have to be as user friendly as a playstation to be successful. And I think it will!
Valve is the only company that can possibly be competitive in the home console market this late in the game. Microsoft dropped the ball two generations in a row, and we’re reaching a point where Sony might have a monopoly on powerful home consoles.
I feel like the only other company that can go for it would be Epic Games, but even then, jumping in now would be a bit awkward and late to the party. I don't play anything from them, but it's the only other game store like Steam that could potentially try their hand at it one day, but even then, you can even play games from them on Steam with a work around, and although I know nothing about the new Steam OS yet it would still blow whatever EG could ever come out with, already being this well into its life and creating its reputation for 3 years. I don't know how it all works, but I do know Steam is one of a kind because it's already established with games beyond games, which is the main reason I chose it over the other handhelds like the Rog Ally or Lenovo Legion Go. It's also extremely stable in terms of not constantly throwing out updated consoles, as you've brought out before. You are the one who convinced me to get a Steam Deck and I did and I don't regret it. I do look forward to see their official accessories, because it's about time, Steam Deck can do and be even more than it is right now just by adding a couple of accessories. As you said, it can always be better. I like how they are not a greedy company and established themselves and this handheld PC before throwing all the extra stuff in, a very smart move, business wise.
I thinks it's wild the same people freaking out about all digital are excited for a steam console. Pc had been all digital for a long time. If steam makes physical games for it, I'll eat my words.
There could be some great synergy with Steam devices. Maybe a dock with a Thunderbolt 5 eGPU that was able to drive a new VR headset? Steam is kind of setting a standard for what PC games should be able to run on, and that didn't exist before. I'm anxious to see what they do going forward.
I got a Steam Deck a year ago and entered the PC gaming space. While I really do love it, the need for launchers is a glaring flaw. My Switch and Xbox one are looking better and better, despite them being old now.
VR is still too expensive for an experience that can really only be enjoyed by one person at a time. That experience being shared is what is holding VR back, imo
To better articulate what I think people REALLY want is "What can I get for $200-$300". Basically a stand alone steamdeck. I think people figured that you can cut costs if you remove a bunch of the things on it (screen, joysticks etc) you can probably shave like $140 off the price of one, especially if you can put your own drive in. Seems like a no brainer honestly. You can actually get some good performance out of the deck, imagine adding a few fans or something you can have a good 60FPS 1080p machine that you don't care if your crackhead roommate steals.
What's the difference between building a PC that will have future upgradability than buying a Valve console, which is essentially a PC, without upgradability? It will fail like the last time.
Valve needs to play it smart. The deck *is* a console, it has a dock, and it’s a great normaliser in the chaotic PC space. Adhering to its requirements is a good motivator for devs to ensure wide compatibility. Nintendo did great with the switch, valve should persist and do the same, keep the space clean and encourage devs to make a highly optimised and compatible games. All the deck could use in future versions is an egpu for desktop and then it’s more than a desktop console.
Interesting that you think Valve would be competing with PlayStation and Xbox wouldn’t. I’d argue that the steam console and Xbox would be more aligned and competitive than they would with PlayStation. Xbox has already said they’re working towards offering a better solution to access Xbox games and Gamepass on all PCs/handhelds. I anticipate Xbox will take that further and open up the ability to access Steam games on the Xbox console. This to me is a sign that Xbox is on the right path. People say they’re dying, but they spent $79B on Activision alone, in context, Sony in its entirety is worth $90B. Xbox is far from dead. That said, this just means a new mainstream competitor has entered the market. Competition always breeds improvements and innovation, i.e. Xbox switching to GamePass and opening up their platform.
I hope this happens soon,. i have my pc up in my gaming room and would love to access my steam games from a console device hooked up to my living room tv
My utimate dream would be a desktop version of Steam OS that can rival the functionality of Windows, I would love the move to linux but it just seems way too finicky
I had an Alienware version of this years ago. Looked identical and honestly ran very well. I streamed it to my TV with the SteamLink. Over time, though, I found myself without enough time to play more than one console. In that case, Nintendo won.
Regarding SEGA...despite all the terrible decisions that SEGA made, they'd almost certainly still be in the hardware game today had Microsoft not decided to brute force their way into the console market. Due to the nature of ecosystems and game libraries, there just aren't four available chairs at the game console table, so SEGA lost their seat.
@ottosantiagolassus But without Microsoft, SEGA would have limped along as the redheaded stepchild yapping away in the corner. With so much money at stake, do you really think that only Sony and Nintendo would have had the game console feast all to themselves? There's always room for a third console if it's quirky enough, but there's never room for a fourth and MS pushed SEGA to fourth. Don't believe all the 28 year old UA-camrs that weren't there.
Agreed. Especially when you consider that while gaming as a whole is growing (via pc, mobile, software sales) the "high end" console market is not growing
As soon as a Steam home console hits the market everybody can kiss goodbye to PS5 exclusives being ported to PC. Highly doubt Sony would be "giving" away their games to a competitor. Steam should stick to improving the Deck. It's a console that neither competes with Sony/MS nor Nintendo directly. It has its own place in the console world and that's great by itself already.
Ah. A "Steam Machine" with an AlienWare logo. Didn't we have that (failure) already a decade ago? The Steam Machines are an old idea, Valve has tried it several times and never got a foothold in the market; the SteamDeck was their first attempt that lived longer than six months.
Yeah, but a lot of things have changed since then. So who is to say that it will fail again. SteamOS is many times better, Valve did a lot of amazing work on proton making game compatibility a lot better. I think it could work this time
....I don't really want VR to become the main thing, feels like it'll just constantly give me headaches and the entire time. Ill stick to a TV/monitor or whatever instead. lol
Well it's nice to see Steam realizes not everyone wants to play video games on a pc. I don't expect a disc drive with there console but if Playstation does't 180 this digital gaming push Steam will definitely hand them there ass. Even if the Steam console is twice the price of PS5 PRO.
Very excited about a Steam console. I was excited about it the last time time they tried as well. Let's hope they execute it well. I thimk there is certainly a market for it. I doibt the Steamdeck will be able to really compete with Switch 2 though. I think companies like Samsung or LG should be able to enter the console market fairly easily if they wanted.
I have been waiting for a consolized PC for over a decade now. I don’t like the form factor of PC gaming, in a chair at a desk. Not comfy or cozy. Very much lookin forward to how it performs when it’s released.
if the Steam Console is good and has the games i want to play, then sure i will buy one. But i need to see it first, talking about is one thing, i need to hold it, and see how it works
I really don't see it happening. To me its more like "remember when they made us wear the screen on our heads?" People are typically the most excited when something is new, and lose interest as tine goes by. But even at this point, peoole are not interested with VR. Very few devs make games for them as a result. Even Apple's headset has already halted its production because they're not selling well. Its fun for short bursts. But it's not going to replace playing in front of tv's
Competition breeds innovation, among other things. That being said, I'm a Valve fanboy.. I'll admit it. I hope they have great success when all these things come to fruition. I know I'll be dropping whatever they are going to cost.
They can make a new half life they don’t need to push the ball it just have to have great gameplay, looks good and have a good story and be fun. That all. Anyone who thinks different then you a spoiled brat and not real gamer.
I’ll 100% buy a steam console. I’ve been in and out of gaming the past few years because of a 3k pc setup that crashed do to a faulty pin in a power cable. Before that I was all about PlayStation/Xbox. Now with a decent pc bottlenecked by a shit cpu/motherboard I exclusively play on steam deck and switch. And can’t bare the thought of touching my pc anymore. Steam console would bring me back into the “home console” world.
Wood, it's upsetting that you are still over-exagurating about VR: Let me tell you the real reason it will never take off - It's too physically demanding from the player and thus less approachable (even the minor act of moving your head to move the camera). Also, it's just bad for any kind of game that isn't 1st person pov. Imagine this, you are a full adult with a very demanding job. You work in the labor force. You don't get much free time to yourself, you got off a very long shift and you just got home and want to relaxing and play some games with the boiz. No one in that position is thinking "hell yeah, lets get physical." Now lets combine that with someone who is more youthful, a child who just got off of school. Unlike an adult, a child is way more energetic, therefore, children would be the consumer (on mass) more likely to adopt vr than adults. And when your VR platform has more squeakers than adults, actual adults don't want to deal with that shiz. . . which is what we are seeing now thanks to the meta quest, the VR space being dominated by under age children with the users who can actually pay for the hardware themselves feeling alienated in any online space. VR won't take off cause the "concept" of VR is too demanding for general audiences. It works for someone like you because your job isn't that demanding. Not everyone is under that luxury. And when success or fail of hardware is determined by how many people you can get, that "everyone" is a huge factor. A niche consumer-base is always going to fail. And that isn't due to price or feel, that's due to the nature of what the type of experience it even is.
I just want a Steam OS I can dual boot with Windows. So I can boot into Steam OS for games and Windows for work. I think Steams advantage is trust. They are run by one of the most well known gamers rather than some faceless executive. VR wise right now flat screen to VR mods are the big thing playing some of the most famous flat screen games in VR is a huge deal and an amazing experience. I would love you to comment more on VR, I know it's not the best for views but I'm a huge fan and it would be great to have some videos of your VR experiences.
You look like you've been hit in the face with a wet skipping rope.. 🤣 Can't wait to see what Valve does with a home console. Great to see people talking about other exciting ideas, other than Switch 2. Big Ups
If Valve turn VR around, be alot telling what Meta or Apple just don't understand the users. And Steam Power phone won't be far in the future as Linux phone is a thing(not Android) its just very beta but usable.
I've been looking to replace my PS5 with pc ever since getting my Steam Deck and comparing prices of the games. Also, my controller started drifting and new games I like stayed drying up from Sony. The last game I enjoyed was GOW Ragnarok and Astro. I was less than impressed with Horizon FW. All the other 3rd party games are way cheaper on Steam. My problem has been that every pc UA-camr seems to steer me towards a 1440p 120fps $1500 machine and I'm just not in that world. I think i will just build a budget pc, and I'm done with Microsoft and Sony firing devs left and right because of management decisions.
Talking about a steam console is funny, because xbox is literally making a console, a mobile, and a software platform and people are acting like xbox is dead because they cant grasp that concept
Remember, a Steam console would make classics going back to the beginning of gaming available to you in a console friendly environment. Its library would instantly be the most vast and deep of any console ever.
Too many people don't understand this. You can't even play GTAIV on a PS4/5, but it's easily accessible on Steam.
I'm pretty confident that Valve will soon replace Xbox in the minds of console gamers. Xbox replaced Sega. Valve will replace Xbox.
Honestly considering the rate this generation has gone and how Sony cant intelligently spend their money to save their lives, they may replace Sony after that as well. This generation of consoles barring Nintendo has been the worst for both companies. The PS5 has become Sonys worst selling home console in their history. Even combining the xbox and sony consoles this gen, they still dont even outsell the switch. Not even close. We're talking sonys 64 ish mil and microsofts 31 ish mil to Nintnedos 164 Million.
The Future is not the consoles wars but the battle of the Ecosystem
Sony replaced Sega in the console market.
xbox's initial goal was to be PC IN THE LIVING ROOM.
Then they decided to compete with Sony🤷🏻♂️
I highly doubt that unless Valve starts selling at retail stores.
Doubtful. That "console" is basically a PC minus the keyboard and mouse. Its main competitor is the PC, not xbox
I feel like a Steam home console could be a great option for those that can’t afford a powerhouse PC. A lot of people want to have the ease of access that the Steam software offers but can’t access all the games because of how they might run on a less expensive PC
This is literally why I bought a Steam Deck - that, and the fact that my computers have always been Macs.
We won’t need consoles in a few decades. Streaming will be good enough by then. Although, I anticipate these companies to always offer a local option simply bc people love it.
It could likely replace the expensive PC for some. Why spend 3 times more, when you can get 95% of the experience for a third of the price.
@@SirS2pendous streamings too expensive for companies to keep up with for gaming
They did this before. They just need to keep improving the deck.
I don't think traditional gaming will die. People like to sit down and play. The zapper. The wii. Kinect. They all came and went. And vr itself is barely hanging on. Sure they can be fun when done proper. But a majority of people like to sit down and just play a game
You gotta love Valve, it's a fresh breath of air. They are an a open company with a flat hierarchy where employees are empowered to take ownership of their work and a company that listens to its community. I hear for example, that instead of suing modders they actually hired them in the past. Just a different way of doing things. Hope their console does well.
We love it when companies make billions of dollars in shady backdoor ways directly off of black/grey market gambling economies aimed at children, while doing everything in their power to make their noses appear clean. I hear, for example, there’s a whole ongoing Coffeezilla exposé about it. Just a different way of doing things.
@@Nucleosynthese Fans would love Valve even more if they actually make Half-Life 3.
@@DragonHeart613 there is an extremely high chance that they currently are and it's late in development, they've recently begun family and friends playtesting for a project internally called HLX
Him Growing out a mustache is probably the last thing I think he would do. 😂
Didn't Valve/Steam already try their hand at a home console previously with the SteamMachine? Remember that thing?
I do
They did, but this was long before their massive spike in users, and before the Steam Deck became a big thing. I think they have a better chance than ever to try it, especially since Playstation and Xbox games are on the platform.
yup, but they didn't have proton, even if alot anti cheat games don't work on steamos/linux still the more user they are the harder to resist for the anti cheat to avoid so many console players
They did... but there are a couple things of note 1) Proton didn't exist back then. Wine did, sure, but it wasn't built into Steam so getting non-Linux native games running took a decent bit of extra effort. Valve relied on developers to provide Linux-native or SteamOS compatible builds of their games. So the amount of compatible games compared to now, was minuscule. 2) Valve did not build the Steam Machines themselves (outside of a proof-of-concept prototype that they gave to beta participants (I was one) to test) so the entire Steam Machine initiative was 3rd party manufacturers who were even free to NOT ship with SteamOS pre-loaded, or not ship with a Steam Controller if they didn't want to. There was also no limit on what hardware minimums or maximums should be adhered to, so you had hundreds of disparate devices, some shipping with Windows, some with SteamOS, some with very weak Intel iGPUs (remember, this was 2013 timeframe, there weren't any good iGPUs for gaming back then), some with insane dual GTX Titan X's, and prices ranging anywhere from $350 to $5000+. It was an absolute mess of a situation.
So they should just give up after failing one time? Pretty sure they just used it as a learning experience. I get the feeling there is a lot of "quit" in you.
I never had a Steam Deck but I really want one and a Steam home console sounds insane. I love having options available to me than just having one console to stick with.
Just be weary I love my steam deck but if you're more of a live service kinda guy this isn't for you anticheat and Linux just doesn't mix yet . But if your a consumer that enjoys more of a single player experience that's where it shines.
@@BryAnthonyC I'm very skeptical on the idea of Valve/Steam rolling out a console because they already tried this before with their SteamMachine and even though that console showed some early promise, it ended up failing big-time. They should just stick with Steam Deck & continue to make improvements on that. My brother & I are both hoping to get Steam Decks this year. They should just focus on making SD better & better and when the Steam Deck 2 inevitably gets announced one day, hopefully SD2 will be even more of a beast.
Just build a PC. You get more power and more options in terms of store fronts. Steams big picture works essentially the same already
@@jimmymac2292 Not everyone is into PC Building. Not everyone prefers PC Gaming. Alot of gamers if not most prefer Console Gaming because it's easier & less complicated than PC.
@@DragonHeart613 it failed because linux gaming was garbage at the time and other reasons that have either changed or been fixed by them. if the steam deck released in the state the steam machine was in it would have failed too
I don't know if valve will be able to make an at home console that becomes a household name. That is the toughest part to overcome.
Steam cant put Nintendo in the corner. We buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo games. Switch is very underpowered but sold many millions more that steam deck.
A steam box would be awesome, but what I’m mostly excited for (mostly cuz I already have a beast pc that’s smaller than my ps5) is when Valve releases their operating system for SteamOS. I am sick of having to use windows on my pc. It’s unfortunate because a lot of the multiplayer games I play require windows, but for my single player games it would make it so nice to have a more console friendly OS on my PC.
Their OS is called SteamOS. You wouldn't have an OS for an OS.
Literally just use Bazzite instead if you want Steam OS on your desktop.
Don't expect a version of the SteamOS that is straight up ready for desktops any time in the near future. There is just too much hardware configurations for them to deal with when it comes to desktops. Easier to just stick to handhelds and/or some kind of fixed consoles, since they will be dealing with a much more limited number of factors as far as builds go.
@gothael if he can dual boot. That is an option. Winblows for anticheat games, SteamOS for the rest.
Hopefully with a more solid rollout and mainstream traction, game studios will figure out how to run it all.
I've been hopeful for this ever since I made my first steam machine using the old OS (debian iirc?).
I digress. He could dual boot.
@@VisariDaBstyou can actually already get the same exact os that the steam deck is using on your desktop right now it just doesn’t work on nvidia graphics cards because Linux has amd drivers and intel drivers baked into the os
I do want a home setup for the reason being comfort. I deal with multiple chronic illnesses and for the last year I've been bed bound. I finally got a desk to go over my bed and that's helped a lot. I don't have a PC, never have, and just am not a hardcore gamer to justify it, so the Steam Deck is perfect for me. There are times of course where I would like to play on the TV or a larger screen in general and would love the home console setup. I think it's a perfect way in between for people who want to game comfortably and not have to sit at a desk all day, especially if they do that for a living already. I've seen many complain about not having a new gen for the controller and I hope they make it for sure if they plan to implement the home console, that should be pretty well understood. I'm not sure about the VR though unless they go into the direction that Viture is going, that would be the only way to stand apart from other VR headsets that can only be worn for short increments at a time. Viture is not perfect yet and although they have made their glasses to go with Steam Deck, I think Steam Deck could truly find a way to better it even more, even if it takes them all the way until their next gen to do so, which is still years out. Trying to jump on the VR train right now would not only be rushed and foolish but would tarnish a reputation of future VR tech they try later, but less people would be willing to throw down money for it since VR tech is just so expensive. I just don't think we're there yet, technology wise, Viture being the only one to come close, and have been a true game changer. I liked the idea of Steam working on it, but not with the picture they showed, which could easily be a random picture of an average VR headset. As competition goes, I agree, it is good. Valve could take everything Viture has succeeded in and fine tune it, work out the kinks, in design and more. Valve has proved they don't need to collaborate, instead design their own stuff, and learn from other companies' mistakes, and what the consumers really want in a device.
That sucks hope you can feel better
It good but Nintendo doesn’t care about these other portable consoles and don’t consider them competitive. 😅
Of course they don't...LMFAO its going to be hilarious when the Nintendrones get disappointed by the 1080p two Switches taped together Switch 2, they've said 10,000 times they do not care what anyone else is doing.
They'll probably cost way too much money for many people who don't have a lot of money to actually get one I can make a bet of it
I feel like the real problem with a steam console is the price. The Cheapest Steamdeck is $400 imagine how much an entire console would be worth I can see it costing $700 maybe more.
For $400 you get a very powerful portable device for the price. For the exact same price, you could make a console that can be overclocked further because battery doesn’t matter, they wouldn’t have to pay for things like the screen and speakers and the quality of the material wouldn’t matter. That budget could then be put into improving the specs. I think they could make a very powerful console for a pretty cheap price
It depends on what's inside the console and how much of a loss they're willing to take. Clearly they don't need to spend money on a LCD/OLED screen, or a lithium battery. Switch's technical limits come from the fact that it's a portable (as will Switch 2's).
remember steam console doesnt need built in screen or battery also you got way more room for hardware i wuold think those can make it cheaper
$400 is reasonable for a device with a built-in screen, a controller, hepatics, gyro, track pads, a battery, and a custom chipset.
If anything, a console could be around the same price, since you don't need to include most of what makes the Steam Deck a Steam Deck.
A PS5 already is 700 where I live, and if Valve would release a console with similar specs I would definitely be more interested in that (I dont own a PS5 yet)
With the Steam Deck and Steam Home Console it will be so ridiculously easy to play PC games that I don't see how Sony will sell their console because Steam is just a much better option.
side note: Microsoft is making everything an Xbox is so they are not that affected by this and Nintendo is doing their own thing so it is only a problem for Sony
I’m more excited for PS6 and Switch 2 than a Steam home console but Steam Deck 2 is exciting.
hot take:
If microsoft and valve were to switch places back in 2001, where originally, "steambox" was the one competing with playstation and xplay was the pc storefornt, if they switched, we would be in a MUCH worse state than we are now. XPlay would fail to deliver good software/a usable storefront and SteamBox would not deliver any decent first party titles.
Compared to that, we are in the better timeline.
Though I'm not interested in getting a Steam console, I'm all for Valve entering the console market and I hope they see some decent success. In my opinion, Sony and Nintendo need competition. Especiall Sony.
A next generation steam system will be great
i think it will be for ppl who want pc but are to scared or unexperienced to try pc for the first time.
I think that Valve would do a 10x better job at creating a home console and being a competition to PS than xbox does now... It would even be awesome to see them create more games in the future, as they used to in the past
I’m thinking about getting a steam deck but the other one Legion go S with the steam OS system on it. 😅
I’ve always wanted the ready player one experience I think for people who have physical limitations, anxiety, depression if you can go out and call these massive adventures and do all those things that they talk about in that series. I think a lot of people would be happier people I know there’s the other side of the coin just like everything else, but I truly do believe that it would do more good than harm again another wonderful video
I think that all VR really needs to see a surge in popularity is comfortable rig. Give us goggles/glasses/helmets that don't look like they could stop a bullet just from being that thick, swap the traditional controls for something more natural like hand gestures and voice commands, maybe figure out something to do with legs so people can move comfortably in the game, and then you're golden. A truly comfortable VR experience would be a game changer. Instead, we get stiff necks, sweaty eyes with racoon lines around them, oh, and the biggest name in the VR market is currently being run by the same people as the most toxic and outdate social media platform on the web (is Facebook worse than Twitter now, I avoid both, so I don't really know anymore).
Love this channel even more than your 'side' one
EPYX was a very successful game maker that wasn't satisfied with the state of handheld gaming so they made a very innovative one themselves. But getting it to market was probably too big a hurdle for them to get over alone, so Atari released it as the Lynx.
Honestly, I'd rather play a steam console than a playstation. The pluses are: the largest library of games, already a lage fanbase. Minus - it could be a AAA console with no real 1st party support. That is the only thing that i dont like about it.
The prices are also much better, particularly for older titles, indies and wait for the big summer and winter sales. I just got the 5 modern Resident evil games (RE 7, RE 2 remake, RE 3 remake, RE 4 remake and RE village) with all their dlcs for around £40 on the xmas sales absolutely monster value.
If you can play both the Sony and Microsoft 1st party titles that makes up for it I think.
@ no online subscription required like psn or Xbox live either is a major plus
@JCSA79V i mean sure but there is no excitement because you see everything before it comes to steam.
@@TheRealSlimsagey7we dont know that yet.
I sure hope that physical media, and therefore the CD Drives or something else on computers, comes back because of the console. Owning something instead of licensing it is really REALLY important.
I wonder if steam will replace Xbox and Itl be Nintendo steam and PlayStation with Microsoft catering to all 3
It is said that no man's sky is one of the best VR experiences now at the moment
Steam home console would be great but I haven't played on a TV in years. I pretty much play exclusively handheld nowadays. Switch and steam deck. Sometimes with the viture pro xr glasses
The irony with Stadia, is they were actively paying devs to port games to Linux, which would have been extremely beneficial for steamdeck users now. Especially considering, they could have foot the bill for games with anticheat to be ported over.
I would actually love a steam box. I play co op games on my PC with my wife, and that's the only reason i turn the thing on. I just like proper consoles. Steam console would be badass!
Steam Machines were a thing awhile ago
I made in own steam machine on a small itx case and bazzite and I love it.
They had to do it backwards because last time windows screwed them over when they first tried steam machines. This time they have their own OS that'll likely be free and open to anyone who wants it, which will drive them hard as a standard imo.
valve is bridging the cap between pc and console gaming with linux that has bit of reputation with ''normal'' people. Love to see it. Valve is taking full advantage of freedom of linux
I feel that the console experience is so much more user friendly and that has an immense value for the consumer in general. A steam console would have to be as user friendly as a playstation to be successful. And I think it will!
Valve is the only company that can possibly be competitive in the home console market this late in the game. Microsoft dropped the ball two generations in a row, and we’re reaching a point where Sony might have a monopoly on powerful home consoles.
I feel like the only other company that can go for it would be Epic Games, but even then, jumping in now would be a bit awkward and late to the party. I don't play anything from them, but it's the only other game store like Steam that could potentially try their hand at it one day, but even then, you can even play games from them on Steam with a work around, and although I know nothing about the new Steam OS yet it would still blow whatever EG could ever come out with, already being this well into its life and creating its reputation for 3 years. I don't know how it all works, but I do know Steam is one of a kind because it's already established with games beyond games, which is the main reason I chose it over the other handhelds like the Rog Ally or Lenovo Legion Go. It's also extremely stable in terms of not constantly throwing out updated consoles, as you've brought out before. You are the one who convinced me to get a Steam Deck and I did and I don't regret it. I do look forward to see their official accessories, because it's about time, Steam Deck can do and be even more than it is right now just by adding a couple of accessories. As you said, it can always be better. I like how they are not a greedy company and established themselves and this handheld PC before throwing all the extra stuff in, a very smart move, business wise.
What about VR movies? I am surprised that i have not heard of anything like that yet.
I thinks it's wild the same people freaking out about all digital are excited for a steam console. Pc had been all digital for a long time. If steam makes physical games for it, I'll eat my words.
I would like a steam console as gaming pc cost to much I hope one day they can get pc game pass on it if they can get a deal with Microsoft
I love my Steam Deck. And my Switch. And my Retro handheld. That is all.
There could be some great synergy with Steam devices. Maybe a dock with a Thunderbolt 5 eGPU that was able to drive a new VR headset? Steam is kind of setting a standard for what PC games should be able to run on, and that didn't exist before. I'm anxious to see what they do going forward.
I'm not here for the Stadia hate. I might be the only one that had an absolutely perfect experience with it, but I did. I loved it, and I miss it.
I got a Steam Deck a year ago and entered the PC gaming space. While I really do love it, the need for launchers is a glaring flaw. My Switch and Xbox one are looking better and better, despite them being old now.
VR is still too expensive for an experience that can really only be enjoyed by one person at a time. That experience being shared is what is holding VR back, imo
The world won't be here in 10 to 15 years
To better articulate what I think people REALLY want is "What can I get for $200-$300". Basically a stand alone steamdeck. I think people figured that you can cut costs if you remove a bunch of the things on it (screen, joysticks etc) you can probably shave like $140 off the price of one, especially if you can put your own drive in. Seems like a no brainer honestly. You can actually get some good performance out of the deck, imagine adding a few fans or something you can have a good 60FPS 1080p machine that you don't care if your crackhead roommate steals.
i think a new steam concole would be cool Wy not more comp is all ways better
What's the difference between building a PC that will have future upgradability than buying a Valve console, which is essentially a PC, without upgradability? It will fail like the last time.
Valve needs to play it smart. The deck *is* a console, it has a dock, and it’s a great normaliser in the chaotic PC space. Adhering to its requirements is a good motivator for devs to ensure wide compatibility. Nintendo did great with the switch, valve should persist and do the same, keep the space clean and encourage devs to make a highly optimised and compatible games. All the deck could use in future versions is an egpu for desktop and then it’s more than a desktop console.
Interesting that you think Valve would be competing with PlayStation and Xbox wouldn’t. I’d argue that the steam console and Xbox would be more aligned and competitive than they would with PlayStation. Xbox has already said they’re working towards offering a better solution to access Xbox games and Gamepass on all PCs/handhelds. I anticipate Xbox will take that further and open up the ability to access Steam games on the Xbox console. This to me is a sign that Xbox is on the right path. People say they’re dying, but they spent $79B on Activision alone, in context, Sony in its entirety is worth $90B. Xbox is far from dead. That said, this just means a new mainstream competitor has entered the market. Competition always breeds improvements and innovation, i.e. Xbox switching to GamePass and opening up their platform.
What is an Xbox?
@Easy_Noob the thing you're watching this video on🫴
@@Easy_Noob yes.
@@Easy_Noob what is steam?
I might give it a look….
I’m definitely interested in VR & I know it’s the future. I’m just waiting for it to get better tech, more games & less motion sickness.
all we'll need will be Switch 2 and Steam Box
Steam console would be a day one purchase just like my steam deck was
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Resident evil 4 vr for the quest 2 is so cool!
I hope this happens soon,. i have my pc up in my gaming room and would love to access my steam games from a console device hooked up to my living room tv
My utimate dream would be a desktop version of Steam OS that can rival the functionality of Windows, I would love the move to linux but it just seems way too finicky
I would trade in every console I have to for a Steam Home Console
Xbox is a subsidiary of Microsoft, Microsoft is primarily a software company so really.. they are just going back to their roots
As someone who owns all consoles but maimed Xbox I am all for steam making a console. Like u said if anyone can it’s them and I would support it 100%
dont sleep on the ouya, gonna begin a revolution
I had an Alienware version of this years ago. Looked identical and honestly ran very well. I streamed it to my TV with the SteamLink. Over time, though, I found myself without enough time to play more than one console. In that case, Nintendo won.
Regarding SEGA...despite all the terrible decisions that SEGA made, they'd almost certainly still be in the hardware game today had Microsoft not decided to brute force their way into the console market. Due to the nature of ecosystems and game libraries, there just aren't four available chairs at the game console table, so SEGA lost their seat.
Wrong, Sony replaced Sega. when they came out, they were he'll vent on destroying Sega and Nintendo
@ottosantiagolassus But without Microsoft, SEGA would have limped along as the redheaded stepchild yapping away in the corner. With so much money at stake, do you really think that only Sony and Nintendo would have had the game console feast all to themselves? There's always room for a third console if it's quirky enough, but there's never room for a fourth and MS pushed SEGA to fourth. Don't believe all the 28 year old UA-camrs that weren't there.
Agreed. Especially when you consider that while gaming as a whole is growing (via pc, mobile, software sales) the "high end" console market is not growing
As soon as a Steam home console hits the market everybody can kiss goodbye to PS5 exclusives being ported to PC. Highly doubt Sony would be "giving" away their games to a competitor. Steam should stick to improving the Deck. It's a console that neither competes with Sony/MS nor Nintendo directly. It has its own place in the console world and that's great by itself already.
Ah. A "Steam Machine" with an AlienWare logo. Didn't we have that (failure) already a decade ago? The Steam Machines are an old idea, Valve has tried it several times and never got a foothold in the market; the SteamDeck was their first attempt that lived longer than six months.
Yeah, but a lot of things have changed since then. So who is to say that it will fail again. SteamOS is many times better, Valve did a lot of amazing work on proton making game compatibility a lot better. I think it could work this time
....I don't really want VR to become the main thing, feels like it'll just constantly give me headaches and the entire time. Ill stick to a TV/monitor or whatever instead. lol
I'm excited for the new Steam console! I wonder what they're going to call it? Maybe something ridiculous like the Steam Engine?
Only thing keeping me on consoles now, are hackers. I love ranked cod, but good god i wish i could turn pc crossplay off
Well it's nice to see Steam realizes not everyone wants to play video games on a pc. I don't expect a disc drive with there console but if Playstation does't 180 this digital gaming push Steam will definitely hand them there ass. Even if the Steam console is twice the price of PS5 PRO.
You are not crazy, ready player one type games will be real one day and be fuckinh amazing!
Very excited about a Steam console. I was excited about it the last time time they tried as well. Let's hope they execute it well. I thimk there is certainly a market for it. I doibt the Steamdeck will be able to really compete with Switch 2 though. I think companies like Samsung or LG should be able to enter the console market fairly easily if they wanted.
I have been waiting for a consolized PC for over a decade now. I don’t like the form factor of PC gaming, in a chair at a desk. Not comfy or cozy. Very much lookin forward to how it performs when it’s released.
if the Steam Console is good and has the games i want to play, then sure i will buy one. But i need to see it first, talking about is one thing, i need to hold it, and see how it works
I hope they make one ,then make playing online free, so the other company's have to follow them . Because paying to play online is such a scam
Me in 2035: damn I remember when I used to play in front of a tv or monitor those were the days
I really don't see it happening. To me its more like "remember when they made us wear the screen on our heads?" People are typically the most excited when something is new, and lose interest as tine goes by. But even at this point, peoole are not interested with VR. Very few devs make games for them as a result. Even Apple's headset has already halted its production because they're not selling well. Its fun for short bursts. But it's not going to replace playing in front of tv's
Competition breeds innovation, among other things. That being said, I'm a Valve fanboy.. I'll admit it. I hope they have great success when all these things come to fruition. I know I'll be dropping whatever they are going to cost.
They can make a new half life they don’t need to push the ball it just have to have great gameplay, looks good and have a good story and be fun. That all. Anyone who thinks different then you a spoiled brat and not real gamer.
I’ll 100% buy a steam console. I’ve been in and out of gaming the past few years because of a 3k pc setup that crashed do to a faulty pin in a power cable. Before that I was all about PlayStation/Xbox. Now with a decent pc bottlenecked by a shit cpu/motherboard I exclusively play on steam deck and switch. And can’t bare the thought of touching my pc anymore.
Steam console would bring me back into the “home console” world.
Im here for the VR! Agree
I would love to try vr but I haven't cause I simply can't afford it. But ur right I hope that day comes in my life time lol
Sega started as a software company and became a console and other software again
Wood, it's upsetting that you are still over-exagurating about VR:
Let me tell you the real reason it will never take off - It's too physically demanding from the player and thus less approachable (even the minor act of moving your head to move the camera). Also, it's just bad for any kind of game that isn't 1st person pov.
Imagine this, you are a full adult with a very demanding job. You work in the labor force. You don't get much free time to yourself, you got off a very long shift and you just got home and want to relaxing and play some games with the boiz. No one in that position is thinking "hell yeah, lets get physical." Now lets combine that with someone who is more youthful, a child who just got off of school. Unlike an adult, a child is way more energetic, therefore, children would be the consumer (on mass) more likely to adopt vr than adults.
And when your VR platform has more squeakers than adults, actual adults don't want to deal with that shiz. . . which is what we are seeing now thanks to the meta quest, the VR space being dominated by under age children with the users who can actually pay for the hardware themselves feeling alienated in any online space.
VR won't take off cause the "concept" of VR is too demanding for general audiences. It works for someone like you because your job isn't that demanding. Not everyone is under that luxury. And when success or fail of hardware is determined by how many people you can get, that "everyone" is a huge factor. A niche consumer-base is always going to fail. And that isn't due to price or feel, that's due to the nature of what the type of experience it even is.
I just want a Steam OS I can dual boot with Windows. So I can boot into Steam OS for games and Windows for work. I think Steams advantage is trust. They are run by one of the most well known gamers rather than some faceless executive. VR wise right now flat screen to VR mods are the big thing playing some of the most famous flat screen games in VR is a huge deal and an amazing experience. I would love you to comment more on VR, I know it's not the best for views but I'm a huge fan and it would be great to have some videos of your VR experiences.
Love the stash!
I think sega started that way but I could be remembering wrong.
You look like you've been hit in the face with a wet skipping rope.. 🤣 Can't wait to see what Valve does with a home console. Great to see people talking about other exciting ideas, other than Switch 2. Big Ups
Nice moustachio 😂
Man forgot about valve why you have moustache ?
If Valve turn VR around, be alot telling what Meta or Apple just don't understand the users. And Steam Power phone won't be far in the future as Linux phone is a thing(not Android) its just very beta but usable.
Could next gen be
Xbox Prime vs PS6 vs Switch 2 vs Valve Home Console??????
Will others try to join????
Did I hear Seaga?! ⛵🎮 the new system able sail and play.
Bro what are you talking about, Microsoft was a software company that got into hardware lol
Also ppl have been saying VR headsets are the future since before they even existed
I've been looking to replace my PS5 with pc ever since getting my Steam Deck and comparing prices of the games. Also, my controller started drifting and new games I like stayed drying up from Sony. The last game I enjoyed was GOW Ragnarok and Astro. I was less than impressed with Horizon FW. All the other 3rd party games are way cheaper on Steam. My problem has been that every pc UA-camr seems to steer me towards a 1440p 120fps $1500 machine and I'm just not in that world. I think i will just build a budget pc, and I'm done with Microsoft and Sony firing devs left and right because of management decisions.
Talking about a steam console is funny, because xbox is literally making a console, a mobile, and a software platform and people are acting like xbox is dead because they cant grasp that concept