He is on record stating it during his time in jail. He said it. Look it up before making some BS statement implying that I lied. Idiot. @@Inquisitor6321
Having run headfirst into Scientology in the 90s because of a bandmate getting into it, I always called it nothing but a cult of narcissism. Truly, a vile system of belief.
This was an incredibly insightful interview, I have always wondered what that cult was all about. I am a Florida resident and while in Clearwater happened to come across some of their buildings. All I could think of was “where do they get the money”?
Dr. Peterson, I knew this would happen at some point. I follow Aaron and he mentioned an interview he would be doing soon but didn't mention with who. Excited to see that it is with you. Looking forward to watching the full interview.
SPIRITUAL SEARCHING My mother was raised in a Catholic household, yet did not raise us as such. In the 60's and 70's, around the time I was born (1969), there were many religions to be found. The hippie movement was still quite prominent, though I rarely saw evidence of it, but the prominent message was that of peace and love...supposedly. Becoming disenchanted with Catholicism, my mother went in search of other spiritual teaching, like that of Scientology. She gave me a copy of Hubbard's book, "Dianetics", asking me what I thought. But even at the age of 15, when she gave me this book, I was already working full time and trying to maintain my grades in school. We were broke...so I had to. Needless to say, I did not read it. Some time later, my mother told me to throw it out, having looked into Scientology and finding it to be cult-like. She moved onto other spiritual organizations, like Eckankar, which dealt with more ubiquitous ideas of spirituality and the soul. And while she stayed with it for some time, she did not push it upon us...like she was still testing the 'spiritual waters' of the organization...to ensure it was something she could trust, if getting us children involved. I remember her talking about our spirit and how we could manifest that which we wanted or needed in life. I never did know what she settled on, as far as a spiritual or religious organization. I always assumed she found her own way to spirituality...which she did. The point to this anecdotal story, is that she was searching. She truly loved us...dedicating her life to finding something of meaning which she could bring her children into. Now whether or not it is the leftist captured academic institutions, or just the slow collapse of our society by corrupt globalist leaders, the search for religious meaning, wherever we may find it, does not cease. The lack of Christian belief has created this, as pointed out by Mr. Peterson, with the intellects and scientists accepting secularism, rather than Christianity. More and more people will fall victim to preying cults like scientology, as our society moves away from Christian traditions, values, and ethics. If there's one thing my mother taught me, it's to be a good person, but to question everything.
You had a great mum. I was raised in a cult. Needless to say my mum did not do this! However remember that there are many horrid Christian cults, and much corruption within Christianity for hundreds of years as has there been of all human religions. Remember that while there were good christians, there were good reasons that people lost faith in the main religions and looked for something else. Perhaps we need to be looking deeper for a solution.
@@MirageandReality What I've learned with regards to Christianity is that men are corrupt (or corruptible), not the religion. It is the institution and those who wield power within it that create the cult-like trappings...the corruption and evil of past and present. Listening to the stories of the Bible, as Jordan Peterson has revealed in his Biblical studies, we can see why the religion has withstood time and memorial, as well as blatant corruption and evil. It is the storied lessons of the Bible, of Christianity, to which I am referring to, when I reference 'Christianity. These are inherently good things, just like the sanctity of marriage, the Commandments, and the core values of good Christian people, which underpin western society. The same society which has now lost its way, embracing instant gratification, eroding the nuclear family, and partaking in devious sexual gratification. Secularism and outright atheism is replacing good Christian values and traditions. We are witnessing the beginning of the collapse of our society...into what, I fear to think of.
You get quite the education in the comment section and no mistake. Speaking as someone who reads more comments than is good for anyone’s mental health.
As a kid i loved science fiction and read everything I could not judging anything I just took it all in including 10,000 plus pages of LRH. Years later learning about scientology it was just so obvious he was just making up the same old shit he always wrote but just called it a religion instead of a dime novel because there was so much more money in it.
I wish I could recall the details of Hubbard’s conversation with other Si-Fi writers at a convention and his proposal to found a made up religion as a joke to take advantage of the United States tax free status for churches.
LOVE IT! this is so fascinating. i love comparing and contrasting new religious cults with old religious thinking. scientology sounds a lot like gnosticism.
Hubbard crossed paths with Jack Parsons. look into what that means, what flavor of gnosticism it was. I think you'll find you have made an astute connection.
@@disruptive_innovator i view crowley largely as a reactionary. magic kinda lost its kick after 1700 or so. crowley just seems like a repressed loser to me, albeit a very intelligent and imaginative one.
I must be the exception to the "science fiction as religion" worshiping engineer. However, I'm an engineer, and I DO love science fiction, especially Star Wars and Star Trek. Being a Christian, though, I have to overlook their paganistic, agnostic and/or atheistic leanings. I like the warrior-saint archetype in Star Wars, and the strong personalities on Star Trek who were willing (not forced) to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Modern society is full of people screaming about what they're entitled to, and how I'm supposed to sacrifice to provide it for them.
You sound like a kindred spirit! I am also a Christian who loves Star Trek. I wonder if you might enjoy my friend Kevin C. Neece’s book “The Gospel According to Star Trek.” He took and traced the Christ figures throughout Star Trek and wrote about them, and it’s beautiful.
"warrior-saint archetype" I like that! it's a good description of the original idea of the Jedi. and it also explains why the prequels and subsequent movies left such a bad taste in my mouth. in Empire Strikes Back, Yoda really came across as a truly enlightened being. in the prequels he just seemed like a finger-wagging school teacher the whole time.
That's his nickname. You know what the "A" stands for? It stands for "aryan" as in Aryan Aaron. He hates the Scientologist as much as a certain type of people. It reminds me of pre‐WII hate propaganda. I don't like when intelligent interviewers unintentionally help intelligence. Central makes them seem dumb agents. Lol.
ALL Medicine started out hopelessly inept, gruesome and clumsy. But it always tries to be better and help people. Hubbard, that scammer tried only to make money of his cult.
I'd bet a psychiatrist had seen right thru Hubbard at some point and told him so. There's no way he could let his slaves get the help that could free them.
It’s not really as insane of a belief when you look at some of the things many of us believe about reality now. It definitely sounds less insane as time goes on. Scientology seems a little more acceptable all the time when you compare it to every other insane ideology that’s sweeping the western world.
... almost no one in America is part of Scientology. less than 50k and shrinking. there are wealthy patrons and it achieved (bullied it's way to) tax exempt status so it has some power, that's all.
Our personal power, which we all have, can be represented by convincing yourself that something is true, regardless of whether it is or isn't. These powerful "beliefs" can be incredibly difficult to alter when your believed "truth" happens to be false.
As someone interested in past life regression, hypnosis and past life regression therapy, as well as actual UFO research and E.T experiences, I’m so angry at Scientology for taking advantage of people’s beliefs or connection to past life, UFOLOGY and reincarnation and using that as an excuse to justify treating children like adult sex slaves and blaming “thetons” as your past life traumas somehow being tied to them and that being “cleared”. I believe past life traumas can affect a person but that doesn’t mean a person should live in a bunk bed closed off from reality with their cell phone and passport taken etc etc..see where I’m getting at? The idea of reincarnation, the soul and past lives affecting current lives, all of these concepts are being used and abused by Scientology to keep people locked up and slaving for them. It’s literal fear mongering. Even people who have had negative alien abduction experiences understand that we are free, independent beings worthy of debate and connection to physical, shared reality, and many assume that there are a variety of races and who’s to say they’re evil or not etc? Hubbard took people’s actual curiosity and connection to the divine, aliens etc and abused that to spread fear.
I read L.Ron Hubbard’s books, Battlefield Earth, years ago. It was hard work, because, well, the series wasn’t very good. One of the underlying themes was that you can convince anyone of anything with the right Public Relations. He went on to largely prove his assertion by starting his religion, however, the impact on me was to become somewhat cynical and disbelieving of anything associated with him.
Hubbard wrote a science fiction novel where the earth explorers invented a religion to control the natives. Scientology is his trying out what worked in his book. When Scientology appeared, I had to laugh. It has amazed me how well it has succeeded. Wish I remembered the name of the book.
It is kind of weird that Mr. Peterson sort of missed out on the analogy of Gnosticism. There are glaring similarities with between the beliefs of scientology and gnosticism.
His cosmology is merely a very silly iteration of the gnostic “we are spirits entrapped by an evil god” idea. Hubbard was a poor writer and a con artist.
Hubbard prolly saw how much televangelists were raking in from spewing their faux profundity that he decided to capitalize on an opportunity. Can't really say that I blame him, either.
If we are prisoners within our bodies, why then do we fear and weep over death? Our bodies are the equipment we are given, I would think one would only feel imprisoned if they didn't like the body they were given. People who feel they are superior buy into this? This makes no sense...
I guess that I can be conned just like anyone, but everything L. R. H. Said trips my BS metter and all the bells and whistles going off. How did he convince anyone?
Chicken scratch! He is just experiencing the difference between the soul and spirit, or the heart and mind. Your mind (spirit) feeds the heart (soul). You accept with the heart what you acknowledge with the mind or either you reject it.
@@hilsCyber99 You decide with your mind. Your heart accepts your decision-making of the mind. Your heart does decide what to accept and what not to accept. The mind feeds the heart with knowledge and it is what is in the heart that is stable, the mind can wonder but it can not cause the heart to sway if it is intent, unless the heart is not secure, then the mind can lead the heart to believe anything. This is mental breakdown.
Prof, why haven't you accepted Norman Finkelstein's request to be interviewed? I NEED you to test your point of view against him. Please do it, I'm failing to see why you still support Israel. I really need a good-faith debate on it.
Why would you not support Israel? Do we want 22-1 or 23-0 countries in the Arab world? Do we want to support democracy or genocidal terrorism? Do we think it's reasonable that all the kicked-out jews can have 0.2% of the area of the Arab world? Is it reasonable that the Jews control their holy sites in their most important city, or should muslims not only have Mecca, but anything else they point at, like Jerusalem and Hagia Sofia? Jordan is the country for Palestinians, and it's 4x the size of Israel.
Interesting. I have friends that speak highly of Mr Hubbard and I do like some of his teachings. I do not think that its all accurate - take it lightly I think.
THE FATAL MISTAKE OF MAN: The most valuable command in God's word: in Mark 12:29, Jesus said “the first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord *OUR God* is ONE Lord.'' Notice Jesus said the Lord Is OUR God-he is including himself as well (John 20:17). He also then says the Father is one God. Jesus, being the only one able to tell us about the Father, teaches us that knowing God the Father is the only way into His kingdom. But many will not make it because they do not know God (John 8:27, 8:55). Instead, they think Jesus is God and have relinquished their own salvation. Therefore, they CANNOT love their neighbor as themselves. So how do we have eternal life? By loving God with all of our hearts through His word, just as Jesus does. Amen.
The idea that we live in a prison planet run by aliens/spiritual beings predates Hubbard, it's called Gnosticism. The more I learn about this subject, the more I wonder if he was exposed to these ideas in the Navy and then wrote a sci fi novel and eventually a religion from it.
I read Dianetics as a teenager and saw it as mostly a load of crap to sell something. What bothered me the most was his repeated circular argument that "clearing" which sounded suspiciously like hypnosis in fact wasn't simply because he claimed it wasn't, never explaining himself or the difference. I started to read the "Villany Victorious" series, but quickly saw it as pulp fiction garbage, so I put it down. I started reading "Fear", a first person account of going through a psychotic episode. That was so deeply disturbing to me that I quit reading it as well. On the other hand Battlefield Earth was a good science fiction read, even if it did have some minor inconsistencies.
Thats the craic with fantasy it only ends with the correct image to slow the engine. He was exsperincing his book just like that swiss dude CGJP Or nietzche abyss Thats sore sir yes it church and the turd
Jordan doesn't realize that he's talking to a CIA Operative. Scientology offers massive leaps of understanding about how Life works that can be found nowhere else. Isn't it strange that after ~70+ years, Scientology remains the fastest growing religion worldwide.
It's not that different from what e.g. Muhammad did, or what Jesus (and those who mythologized Jesus) did: They took myths and ideas floating around at the time and made appealing sects out them. I'm also an engineer, btw, and for sure I've had a long sci-fi period as young, but I've always known it was fiction.
The Bible was written by many authors over several thousand years and still managed to develop plot points and narraruve themes that most authors couldn't.
If "god" created humans, how can humans be in a "fallen state"? Because "god" is perfect, therefore "god" made humans perfectly. Note: If you start talking about Adam & Eve and "the serpent" in the "Garden of Eden" you've already admitted you have no argument. Just like you cannot be held responsible for a murder someone else committed, no one can be held responsible today for a mythic "sin" that has no factual basis in reality.
I mean if you make the slightest effort to seek a theological answer for that most obvious question then you might just find one. Or, you know, just pat yourself on the back if that's all you want.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 Hey, if the answer is so obvious, please present it. Would probably take less time than it took for you to write your knee-jerk response.
@@karlostj4683 Answear is Free Will. To Free Will Exist God have to create oposite to perfection: imperfection. HUman may be able be imperfect to have Free Will, other wise there wont be any choice aside from be perfect. Basicaly idea is God create Human imperfect so they would strife for perfection themself, trieng emulate Him.
I will answer not by what I believe but by pointing to you that you wrote a phrase that is partìal. "Because God is perfect men are perfect", but why in the perfection you exclude a fallen state to go through to then by "training" achieve only at the end perfection? Or, another way, why has God the obligations to create only perfect beings, his perfection doesn't allow him to create imperfect beings?
@@karlostj4683 It's far from knee-jerk. My knee-jerk response used to be to just give the answer. I've learned some people literally don't want to know it so I highlight the necessary choice by pointing out that they could have spent as much effort to find the answer as asking the question in a "gotcha" manner. You either want to get it or be the one saying gotcha. If the former then I'll happily discuss but I've wasted a lot of time with the latter when I could have saved myself time by checking.
There's a quote by one of the 40's Sci Fi writers, that Hubbard said the only way for a writer like him to make money is to start a religion.
The story of Xenu is so wild that even Charles Manson said Scientology is too crazy for him.
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I don't believe Manson ever said anything like that. The Xenu story wasn't released until after Manson was caught by the police.
oh but jesus is totally sane.
@@notloki3377 🤣🤣🤣
He is on record stating it during his time in jail. He said it. Look it up before making some BS statement implying that I lied. Idiot. @@Inquisitor6321
Dr Peterson is looking 100% healthy here. It's nice to see.
Having run headfirst into Scientology in the 90s because of a bandmate getting into it, I always called it nothing but a cult of narcissism. Truly, a vile system of belief.
This was an incredibly insightful interview, I have always wondered what that cult was all about. I am a Florida resident and while in Clearwater happened to come across some of their buildings. All I could think of was “where do they get the money”?
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Dr. Peterson, I knew this would happen at some point. I follow Aaron and he mentioned an interview he would be doing soon but didn't mention with who. Excited to see that it is with you. Looking forward to watching the full interview.
SPIRITUAL SEARCHING
My mother was raised in a Catholic household, yet did not raise us as such. In the 60's and 70's, around the time I was born (1969), there were many religions to be found. The hippie movement was still quite prominent, though I rarely saw evidence of it, but the prominent message was that of peace and love...supposedly.
Becoming disenchanted with Catholicism, my mother went in search of other spiritual teaching, like that of Scientology. She gave me a copy of Hubbard's book, "Dianetics", asking me what I thought. But even at the age of 15, when she gave me this book, I was already working full time and trying to maintain my grades in school. We were broke...so I had to. Needless to say, I did not read it. Some time later, my mother told me to throw it out, having looked into Scientology and finding it to be cult-like.
She moved onto other spiritual organizations, like Eckankar, which dealt with more ubiquitous ideas of spirituality and the soul. And while she stayed with it for some time, she did not push it upon us...like she was still testing the 'spiritual waters' of the organization...to ensure it was something she could trust, if getting us children involved. I remember her talking about our spirit and how we could manifest that which we wanted or needed in life. I never did know what she settled on, as far as a spiritual or religious organization. I always assumed she found her own way to spirituality...which she did.
The point to this anecdotal story, is that she was searching. She truly loved us...dedicating her life to finding something of meaning which she could bring her children into. Now whether or not it is the leftist captured academic institutions, or just the slow collapse of our society by corrupt globalist leaders, the search for religious meaning, wherever we may find it, does not cease. The lack of Christian belief has created this, as pointed out by Mr. Peterson, with the intellects and scientists accepting secularism, rather than Christianity. More and more people will fall victim to preying cults like scientology, as our society moves away from Christian traditions, values, and ethics.
If there's one thing my mother taught me, it's to be a good person, but to question everything.
The Bible says “ we have all sinned” . There is no one “ good “. This is why we need a Savior.
@@wanda520 You don't consider anyone to be a fundamentally 'good' person?
You had a great mum. I was raised in a cult. Needless to say my mum did not do this! However remember that there are many horrid Christian cults, and much corruption within Christianity for hundreds of years as has there been of all human religions. Remember that while there were good christians, there were good reasons that people lost faith in the main religions and looked for something else. Perhaps we need to be looking deeper for a solution.
@@MirageandReality What I've learned with regards to Christianity is that men are corrupt (or corruptible), not the religion. It is the institution and those who wield power within it that create the cult-like trappings...the corruption and evil of past and present.
Listening to the stories of the Bible, as Jordan Peterson has revealed in his Biblical studies, we can see why the religion has withstood time and memorial, as well as blatant corruption and evil. It is the storied lessons of the Bible, of Christianity, to which I am referring to, when I reference 'Christianity. These are inherently good things, just like the sanctity of marriage, the Commandments, and the core values of good Christian people, which underpin western society.
The same society which has now lost its way, embracing instant gratification, eroding the nuclear family, and partaking in devious sexual gratification. Secularism and outright atheism is replacing good Christian values and traditions. We are witnessing the beginning of the collapse of our society...into what, I fear to think of.
Sometimes, I gain more knowledge about human nature by reading the comments than the actual presentation.
No offense.
You get quite the education in the comment section and no mistake. Speaking as someone who reads more comments than is good for anyone’s mental health.
Hello fellow brother of the Comments section!!!
As a kid i loved science fiction and read everything I could not judging anything I just took it all in including 10,000 plus pages of LRH. Years later learning about scientology it was just so obvious he was just making up the same old shit he always wrote but just called it a religion instead of a dime novel because there was so much more money in it.
I wish I could recall the details of Hubbard’s conversation with other Si-Fi writers at a convention and his proposal to found a made up religion as a joke to take advantage of the United States tax free status for churches.
So cool to see Aaron on here
LOVE IT!
this is so fascinating. i love comparing and contrasting new religious cults with old religious thinking. scientology sounds a lot like gnosticism.
True, very much
Hubbard crossed paths with Jack Parsons. look into what that means, what flavor of gnosticism it was. I think you'll find you have made an astute connection.
@@disruptive_innovator jack parsons was a thelemite, yes?
@@notloki3377 I think there were a few more twists but generally yes, under Crowley.
@@disruptive_innovator i view crowley largely as a reactionary. magic kinda lost its kick after 1700 or so. crowley just seems like a repressed loser to me, albeit a very intelligent and imaginative one.
Oh snap! A-A-RON in the building!!
I must be the exception to the "science fiction as religion" worshiping engineer. However, I'm an engineer, and I DO love science fiction, especially Star Wars and Star Trek. Being a Christian, though, I have to overlook their paganistic, agnostic and/or atheistic leanings. I like the warrior-saint archetype in Star Wars, and the strong personalities on Star Trek who were willing (not forced) to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Modern society is full of people screaming about what they're entitled to, and how I'm supposed to sacrifice to provide it for them.
You sound like a kindred spirit! I am also a Christian who loves Star Trek. I wonder if you might enjoy my friend Kevin C. Neece’s book “The Gospel According to Star Trek.” He took and traced the Christ figures throughout Star Trek and wrote about them, and it’s beautiful.
"warrior-saint archetype" I like that! it's a good description of the original idea of the Jedi. and it also explains why the prequels and subsequent movies left such a bad taste in my mouth. in Empire Strikes Back, Yoda really came across as a truly enlightened being. in the prequels he just seemed like a finger-wagging school teacher the whole time.
A galactic gulag... Kinda like Australia! Or better yet, the SS Botany Bay from Star Trek!
Raaahhhhn!!
Would love to see Peterson debate Tom Cruise!
Narcissism? Absolutely, and those who work there for many years fall into that easily by the inside system unfortunately. And I talk by experience
Omg A- A ron!!
This is a conversation that I never imagine would happen 😮
That's his nickname. You know what the "A" stands for? It stands for "aryan" as in Aryan Aaron. He hates the Scientologist as much as a certain type of people. It reminds me of pre‐WII hate propaganda. I don't like when intelligent interviewers unintentionally help intelligence. Central makes them seem dumb agents. Lol.
Psychiatry _can_ be a grift...the early 20th century showed that...but L.Ron Hubbard was a much more shameless grifter.
ALL Medicine started out hopelessly inept, gruesome and clumsy. But it always tries to be better and help people. Hubbard, that scammer tried only to make money of his cult.
I'd bet a psychiatrist had seen right thru Hubbard at some point and told him so. There's no way he could let his slaves get the help that could free them.
It’s the religion that modern America deserves. It’s such a great symbol for what we’ve become
It’s not really as insane of a belief when you look at some of the things many of us believe about reality now. It definitely sounds less insane as time goes on. Scientology seems a little more acceptable all the time when you compare it to every other insane ideology that’s sweeping the western world.
Are you an America hater?
... almost no one in America is part of Scientology. less than 50k and shrinking. there are wealthy patrons and it achieved (bullied it's way to) tax exempt status so it has some power, that's all.
@@disruptive_innovator Aaron estimates that world-wide there maybe 30,000 in all.
@@Inquisitor6321 good enough for me, didn't want to under estimate. 30K it is.
Looking forward to this
Looking forward to you interviewing David Wood on a similar topic, lol
Ty
Our personal power, which we all have, can be represented by convincing yourself that something is true, regardless of whether it is or isn't. These powerful "beliefs" can be incredibly difficult to alter when your believed "truth" happens to be false.
Nice vid, Bro!
The way to stop this cancer is to speak up against it. Let others become aware of what Scientology (and other cults do) does.
This was THE BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!
As someone interested in past life regression, hypnosis and past life regression therapy, as well as actual UFO research and E.T experiences, I’m so angry at Scientology for taking advantage of people’s beliefs or connection to past life, UFOLOGY and reincarnation and using that as an excuse to justify treating children like adult sex slaves and blaming “thetons” as your past life traumas somehow being tied to them and that being “cleared”.
I believe past life traumas can affect a person but that doesn’t mean a person should live in a bunk bed closed off from reality with their cell phone and passport taken etc etc..see where I’m getting at?
The idea of reincarnation, the soul and past lives affecting current lives, all of these concepts are being used and abused by Scientology to keep people locked up and slaving for them. It’s literal fear mongering. Even people who have had negative alien abduction experiences understand that we are free, independent beings worthy of debate and connection to physical, shared reality, and many assume that there are a variety of races and who’s to say they’re evil or not etc? Hubbard took people’s actual curiosity and connection to the divine, aliens etc and abused that to spread fear.
Hebbard and Old Mother Hubbard go well together
A-Aron!
I read L.Ron Hubbard’s books, Battlefield Earth, years ago. It was hard work, because, well, the series wasn’t very good.
One of the underlying themes was that you can convince anyone of anything with the right Public Relations.
He went on to largely prove his assertion by starting his religion, however, the impact on me was to become somewhat cynical and disbelieving of anything associated with him.
Many million did love it!
I would attribute a large portion of my morality and perspectives to Robert Heinlein. Also like Asimov, but didn't read him until I was an adult.
Will Dr. Peterson ever turn around and play that piano?
Hubbard wrote a science fiction novel where the earth explorers invented a religion to control the natives. Scientology is his trying out what worked in his book. When Scientology appeared, I had to laugh. It has amazed me how well it has succeeded. Wish I remembered the name of the book.
It is kind of weird that Mr. Peterson sort of missed out on the analogy of Gnosticism. There are glaring similarities with between the beliefs of scientology and gnosticism.
His cosmology is merely a very silly iteration of the gnostic “we are spirits entrapped by an evil god” idea. Hubbard was a poor writer and a con artist.
Hubbard prolly saw how much televangelists were raking in from spewing their faux profundity that he decided to capitalize on an opportunity. Can't really say that I blame him, either.
Hoping scientology doesn't go after peterson :/
He’s on Andrew Golds channel a lot.. he’s nice and funny
If we are prisoners within our bodies, why then do we fear and weep over death? Our bodies are the equipment we are given, I would think one would only feel imprisoned if they didn't like the body they were given. People who feel they are superior buy into this? This makes no sense...
Every day, Hubbard must have woken up, pinched his chubby little flanks and said to himself 'I have gotten away with this again!'
I guess that I can be conned just like anyone, but everything L. R. H. Said trips my BS metter and all the bells and whistles going off. How did he convince anyone?
Did they ever find the wife of the current leader? 😊
Shelly. Nope!
@@carpeimodiem smh
l. ron hubbard manipulated theology way differently than poor mr. p. did.
I think his evil overlord pre programed him to make up his theory.
Anything can be turned into a religion, even stuff that doesnt make rationally sense.
Even sport is becoming a religion. Just look at soccer.
Chicken scratch! He is just experiencing the difference between the soul and spirit, or the heart and mind. Your mind (spirit) feeds the heart (soul). You accept with the heart what you acknowledge with the mind or either you reject it.
You sound like a bot.
I think the mind is the soul and heart is the spirit
Your soul controls your decision making...
@@oldAzekai Oh! Would a bot say Chicken scratch?
@@hilsCyber99 You decide with your mind. Your heart accepts your decision-making of the mind. Your heart does decide what to accept and what not to accept. The mind feeds the heart with knowledge and it is what is in the heart that is stable, the mind can wonder but it can not cause the heart to sway if it is intent, unless the heart is not secure, then the mind can lead the heart to believe anything. This is mental breakdown.
Prof, why haven't you accepted Norman Finkelstein's request to be interviewed? I NEED you to test your point of view against him. Please do it, I'm failing to see why you still support Israel. I really need a good-faith debate on it.
If you want good faith, stay far away from Finkelstein.
Why would you not support Israel? Do we want 22-1 or 23-0 countries in the Arab world? Do we want to support democracy or genocidal terrorism? Do we think it's reasonable that all the kicked-out jews can have 0.2% of the area of the Arab world? Is it reasonable that the Jews control their holy sites in their most important city, or should muslims not only have Mecca, but anything else they point at, like Jerusalem and Hagia Sofia? Jordan is the country for Palestinians, and it's 4x the size of Israel.
Nice belt
So Hubbard wrote one too many books and got stuck in the stars
Diabetics, pandemic, etc. . .TOO EASY.
Dancing on the head of a pin. It gets worse the pin doesnt exist
Go watch Harlan Ellison & Robin Williams discuss LRH. Scientology was all about money and sex.
This was unexpected.
it's a dumm version of the gnostic myth.
So it's just Gnosticism with Star Trek names
Interesting. I have friends that speak highly of Mr Hubbard and I do like some of his teachings. I do not think that its all accurate - take it lightly I think.
A parody of a parody of parables...
Scientology is pallete swapped and laundered Theosophy from what i understand.
THE FATAL MISTAKE OF MAN:
The most valuable command in God's word: in Mark 12:29, Jesus said “the first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord *OUR God* is ONE Lord.'' Notice Jesus said the Lord Is OUR God-he is including himself as well (John 20:17). He also then says the Father is one God. Jesus, being the only one able to tell us about the Father, teaches us that knowing God the Father is the only way into His kingdom. But many will not make it because they do not know God (John 8:27, 8:55). Instead, they think Jesus is God and have relinquished their own salvation. Therefore, they CANNOT love their neighbor as themselves.
So how do we have eternal life? By loving God with all of our hearts through His word, just as Jesus does. Amen.
They say anyone can do remote viewing, u just have to b trained, but idk. It’s a slippery slope w God imo
Shadow banning truth and my theories again!? Data mining me!?
Anyone ever read the dianetics book? It's pure 2 year old babble as far as I can ascertain.
He made a big joke and people willingly took part in it
So gullible
The idea that we live in a prison planet run by aliens/spiritual beings predates Hubbard, it's called Gnosticism. The more I learn about this subject, the more I wonder if he was exposed to these ideas in the Navy and then wrote a sci fi novel and eventually a religion from it.
I read Dianetics as a teenager and saw it as mostly a load of crap to sell something. What bothered me the most was his repeated circular argument that "clearing" which sounded suspiciously like hypnosis in fact wasn't simply because he claimed it wasn't, never explaining himself or the difference.
I started to read the "Villany Victorious" series, but quickly saw it as pulp fiction garbage, so I put it down. I started reading "Fear", a first person account of going through a psychotic episode. That was so deeply disturbing to me that I quit reading it as well.
On the other hand Battlefield Earth was a good science fiction read, even if it did have some minor inconsistencies.
Only read Battle field Earth, none of his other work. It was fun!
@@nathwhit3980 Me, too. I bought that before I knew he was a cult leader, then nothing else, lest I support him. That was when he was alive.
Religious scammer explained by psychologist scammer
omg. thats what Andrew Tate is saying all the time!
There are much worse cults in the world...
american mafia
Thats the craic with fantasy it only ends with the correct image to slow the engine.
He was exsperincing his book just like that swiss dude
CGJP
Or nietzche abyss
Thats sore sir yes it church and the turd
What method does Peterson use to determin scientology being untrue and not usefull?
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Interested to know where this guest gets his cred if anyone one can share.
obviously, you've never been involved with the Cult of Scientology or their "fair game" policy.
:) oh are u finally waking up?
Petrrson is so fuck of shot its not even funnt
Jordan doesn't realize that he's talking to a CIA Operative.
Scientology offers massive leaps of understanding about how Life works that can be found nowhere else.
Isn't it strange that after ~70+ years, Scientology remains the fastest growing religion worldwide.
Wake up, today.
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What is that comment supposed to mean ?
"Waking-up" is a relative, and subjective, "Idea".
@@jimbrown563 Give space to healthy critique. We all have our "bubbles" that needs shaking. Best wishes from Finland.
@@Yaas_ok123
Malicious-Slander is never "healthy".
@@jimbrown563 Stay in your bubble, if you choose so....
It's not that different from what e.g. Muhammad did, or what Jesus (and those who mythologized Jesus) did: They took myths and ideas floating around at the time and made appealing sects out them. I'm also an engineer, btw, and for sure I've had a long sci-fi period as young, but I've always known it was fiction.
So you’re giving Hubbard a hard time but you don’t dare comment on The Bible or the Koran who were written by the same dude.
kek
People are alive today that worked with Hubbard for decades. All that other stuff was done thousands of years ago. It's apples and orangs
The Bible was written by many authors over several thousand years and still managed to develop plot points and narraruve themes that most authors couldn't.
This presentation is as religious, if not more, than Scientology.
He’s a former Scientologist & has a UA-cam channel. Look up his name + Scientology
If "god" created humans, how can humans be in a "fallen state"? Because "god" is perfect, therefore "god" made humans perfectly. Note: If you start talking about Adam & Eve and "the serpent" in the "Garden of Eden" you've already admitted you have no argument. Just like you cannot be held responsible for a murder someone else committed, no one can be held responsible today for a mythic "sin" that has no factual basis in reality.
I mean if you make the slightest effort to seek a theological answer for that most obvious question then you might just find one. Or, you know, just pat yourself on the back if that's all you want.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 Hey, if the answer is so obvious, please present it. Would probably take less time than it took for you to write your knee-jerk response.
@@karlostj4683 Answear is Free Will. To Free Will Exist God have to create oposite to perfection: imperfection. HUman may be able be imperfect to have Free Will, other wise there wont be any choice aside from be perfect.
Basicaly idea is God create Human imperfect so they would strife for perfection themself, trieng emulate Him.
I will answer not by what I believe but by pointing to you that you wrote a phrase that is partìal. "Because God is perfect men are perfect", but why in the perfection you exclude a fallen state to go through to then by "training" achieve only at the end perfection? Or, another way, why has God the obligations to create only perfect beings, his perfection doesn't allow him to create imperfect beings?
@@karlostj4683 It's far from knee-jerk. My knee-jerk response used to be to just give the answer. I've learned some people literally don't want to know it so I highlight the necessary choice by pointing out that they could have spent as much effort to find the answer as asking the question in a "gotcha" manner. You either want to get it or be the one saying gotcha. If the former then I'll happily discuss but I've wasted a lot of time with the latter when I could have saved myself time by checking.