The fact Apple Dan design mass produced items that look so damn good and clean inside is mightily impressive, a few high end PCs can match it but from what I’ve seen they are hand built low volume like high end custom gaming PCs.
I’m a huge fan of OWC’s excellent instructional videos. So, as many owners performing upgrades on these machines will be looking at this teardown for guidance, I tell you what would be really useful here while everything is being stripped out…. A mention of what tools are being used at each point, and any tips to keep in mind when re-assembling. For example, stripping out the CPU heat sink (excuse me Apple, I mean the Thermal Module), requires both a Torx T8 screwdriver, and a 152mm long Torx T15 bit. Also, and as advised by Apple in their technicians manual, the latter should use a torque screwdriver, set to 1.2Nm, in order to properly secure the heatsink to the CPU on re-assembly.
At the 7:42 mark, I noticed what looked like three 4-switch dip switches. Is there anything on the motherboard that says what they're used for? Wondering if there's some configuration Apple is doing depending on which version you buy. The disassembly shows how much thought Apple engineers put into this computer. Only one cable and I would have thought that would have been an easy cable to get rid of but maybe not because of the sliding action needed to remove the speaker assembly. For all of you PC lovers, I challenge you to actually build a comparable PC to the Mac Pro and get it to work without a whole lot of cables and extra (loud) fans or water cooling. The lack of cables means far less electrical problems while we've already seen and heard reviews of how quiet the fans are and how well they work to keep everything cool.
with right contact pin + right cooper thickness at least can replaced 10-15 awg cables ... all manufacture can do this but bad for pricing or not enough market for ppl will to buy ... fyi nzxt case marker do the same thing for fan on his pc case *i forgot what type*
Design choices... Instead of 8pin PCI-E cables for powering GPUs Apple went with a proprietary MPX connector that plugs into next the PCI-E slot and delivers up to 450watts. With this choice Apple spared 4 thick 8pin power cables for the Vega Pro Duo GPU or 8 in case of two Pro Duos. The mainboard gets its power directly from the proprietary PSU via a thick connector. They also spared out the(2) 8pin EPS cable(s) for CPU power delivery. Drives are connected via m.2 so no SATA cables either. And there you have it. An almost cable free rig.
You should be able to use any keyboard and monitor. You would want to check the specification of the monitor and keyboard if they shall need any drivers or special requirements to make it work with the new Mac Pro 2019.
Achei toda a estrutura do Mac Pro perfeita! Parabéns a todos os engenheiros envolvidos na construção desse Mac, é uma maquina voltada para um publico específico.
HELP! I wanted to replace my 580X GPU with a 5700X, but when I attempted to pull the release latch (after taking off the plates, etc.) I heard something snap inside and now it's not pushing the rollers on the other side as it should. Is there any other way for me to remove the module? It is FIRMLY in place and will not come out.
yeah if u dont understand how u manage 2 power hunggry card how they manage to cool it down how what power stages they use what feature it had and what the different from vega 64 and how 2 different gpu works flawlessly with or without interconnect or how amd aproach are still like r9 295 or usin new sclabel data fabric or new approach that we dont know
An Apple Silicon (Arm CPU) A bios update And boom: "The most powerful mac ever" I mean, I can't imagine that Apple pulled in a hardware that polished just one year before the first Arm based mac without the ability for this mac to be improve with an Arm Hardware Transition Kit ! Did they ?
In novadays it's called UEFI - Unified Extensible Firmware Interface. Every PC motherboard has own system to check hardware. Mostly it check first if the CPU, Memory etc works correctly, then the machine will turns on.
BIOS hasn’t been used by any PC manufacturer for a long time now. These days, they use UEFI. A lot of people call UEFI, “UEFI BIOS”, but that’s because they are confused. UEFI is one thing, and BIOS is another much older technology.
@KMSMista PCs do not use a knockoff version. UEFI is what came after EFI, which was originally an Intel technology. Intel (and I believe in conjunction with Microsoft), created EFI originally for their Itanium platform. Apple adopted it because they wanted to switch to the Intel architecture, but couldn't justify downgrading from Open Firmware (which Apple used on their PowerPC Macs) to BIOS. At the time, it was indeed rare in the PC world, but eventually EFI evolved into UEFI (Intel was involved in some way), and it became the standard in the PC world as well.
Detailed teardowns similar to this would all be scripted to a degree so they know how to dismantle it properly and efficiently before recording. They could be a bit more convincing on delivery though lol.
I generally enjoy the OWC instructional video series because of the straight forward nature, but this one was cheesy, and was missing an infomercial studio audience saying in unison “Wow!”.
Macos supports softare raid (also for boot driver) but im not sure you can address each of the modulaes directly to do that, but if you add in a PCIe nvme card you can boot fo that or raid that into the main boot volume if you want,
The VRM setup on this mainboard is just a joke for a LGA 3647 platform. I mean this 6+4 phases you get with your typical 120$ Asus mainboard for LGA 1151, which is designed for 95w TDP CPUs. The 28 core Mac Pro CPU (Intel W 3275M ) is a 205w TDP rated CPU, which will definitely wants to see more than 10 VRM phases. Other mainboard manufacturers put huge VRM setups on their LGA 3647 platforms, like this one www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/ROG-Dominus-Extreme/ Hate to say this, but for a at least 6000$ system, the Mac Pros Mainboards sucks!
Nice vid. Good work guys. It's engineering masterpiece, but for that money entry config is joke. 256GB flash? Seriously? In 2020?! That config, with two 512GB modules, is also joke. Workstation must have bigger system drive! GPU, more RAM, specialized cards ..yea, ok, buy more, but this? Apple its sucks.
Well i saw some cheap ass RAMs here Possibly they are not even B-die. That would not surprise me. This is unacceptable in piece of tech for $5,999 However your teardown was pure joy! Happy Holidays!
You can actually safe a lot of money by just ordering the base model RAM config. Apple wants 25.000$ for 1,5tb RAM. On newegg you get the same amount for around 12.000$. I would also ditch the Vega II Pro Duo(5200$) and buy four Radeon VII cards (700$ each, 2100$) instead. Safes you 3100$ while enjoying 2 times the FP32 performance compared to the Pro Duo card. Easily safed over 15.000$. Apple hates me now
@@D-One i have a feeling you do not know what you are talking about. ECC DDR4 RAM is cheaper than normal "mainstream RAM" (at the same amount). And of course this RAM i mentioned is ECC DDR4.
I have feeling that you can get the fuck out MacCultist and check prices for ECC. Cheap ECC exist and they use it happily And also read this topic just for realization what actually they offer for THAT ammount of money. Get off from high horse, sir wccftech.com/apple-mac-pro-ddr4-ecc-memory-cheapest/ Have a happy holidays
This is great that Tom was there and asked those questions as a layman
Amazing tear-down. I have admit this is a master-peace of engineering from Apple.
That's why ape is a great company
Better than the ifixit teardown, thanks.
Shamsulazhar about to say the same thing.
Lol I came here to say the same thing. Why was the ifixit tear down so crappy this time?
Jonathan Cohen 🤷♂️I guess they are being lazy 😂
@@74862 LOL
Yup.
I have seen lots of pc teardown but this was best because it is very easy and more accessible.
I'm impressed by how Apple did an awesome and powerful computer with no wires. Hope the future in pc builds looks like that 👍🏼
What a beautiful internal design. Amazing.
Uncle's here to learn how todo teardown
I find it crazy i dont see a single cable.
Speaker does have
I thought the same thing. Speaker aside...no other cables. How is that even possible?!
@@DanielAmezcuaPhotography Energy goes through motherboard. Truly amazing
Lol why does it need a speaker if there is no Macintosh boot tone
Creo mas loco es su corte citó de cabello
that's very detailed and neat teardown. thanks!
best teardown over centuries ago !!!!
The fact Apple Dan design mass produced items that look so damn good and clean inside is mightily impressive, a few high end PCs can match it but from what I’ve seen they are hand built low volume like high end custom gaming PCs.
I’m a huge fan of OWC’s excellent instructional videos. So, as many owners performing upgrades on these machines will be looking at this teardown for guidance, I tell you what would be really useful here while everything is being stripped out…. A mention of what tools are being used at each point, and any tips to keep in mind when re-assembling.
For example, stripping out the CPU heat sink (excuse me Apple, I mean the Thermal Module), requires both a Torx T8 screwdriver, and a 152mm long Torx T15 bit. Also, and as advised by Apple in their technicians manual, the latter should use a torque screwdriver, set to 1.2Nm, in order to properly secure the heatsink to the CPU on re-assembly.
I was surprised to see this but thank you. I have a place to turn too when I need to disassemble a Mac Pro. (:
What type of logic board was that? ATX? ITX?
where are the wifi and BT chips?
I love hearing Chicago accents.
this is good but the depth of field setting on your camera is killing the details and its not focussing where it needs to focus.
Thank you for your feedback, this is greatly appreciated.
Feels like I'm watching Dora the explorer, very intuitive, makes me want to talk to the screen 🤣🤣🤣
Me: Wow almost no cable at al! but looking at my PC?
My PC: Shut up!
Where is the speaker because it sounds really good in my system but I can't see it!
Very impressive design!! And very IMPRESSIVE PRICE HAHAHHA
Great job! Thank you
Thank you as well Habib Utman!
Good video and nice explanation but I have been surprised to see apple have modular board
At the 7:42 mark, I noticed what looked like three 4-switch dip switches. Is there anything on the motherboard that says what they're used for? Wondering if there's some configuration Apple is doing depending on which version you buy. The disassembly shows how much thought Apple engineers put into this computer. Only one cable and I would have thought that would have been an easy cable to get rid of but maybe not because of the sliding action needed to remove the speaker assembly.
For all of you PC lovers, I challenge you to actually build a comparable PC to the Mac Pro and get it to work without a whole lot of cables and extra (loud) fans or water cooling. The lack of cables means far less electrical problems while we've already seen and heard reviews of how quiet the fans are and how well they work to keep everything cool.
How it's almost cableless? Where they put them all??
ParsleY on pcb
Lots of Engineering degrees.
with right contact pin + right cooper thickness at least can replaced 10-15 awg cables ... all manufacture can do this but bad for pricing or not enough market for ppl will to buy ... fyi nzxt case marker do the same thing for fan on his pc case *i forgot what type*
all the power is routed to the motherboard, so it powers everything
Design choices...
Instead of 8pin PCI-E cables for powering GPUs Apple went with a proprietary MPX connector that plugs into next the PCI-E slot and delivers up to 450watts. With this choice Apple spared 4 thick 8pin power cables for the Vega Pro Duo GPU or 8 in case of two Pro Duos. The mainboard gets its power directly from the proprietary PSU via a thick connector. They also spared out the(2) 8pin EPS cable(s) for CPU power delivery. Drives are connected via m.2 so no SATA cables either. And there you have it. An almost cable free rig.
Makes me want to buy one, but wait,…can it use third party stuff, like my Wooting keyboard, or my Dell monitor?
You should be able to use any keyboard and monitor. You would want to check the specification of the monitor and keyboard if they shall need any drivers or special requirements to make it work with the new Mac Pro 2019.
Now this is the right teardown I’m looking for, not that iFixit crappy one😓😓
Achei toda a estrutura do Mac Pro perfeita! Parabéns a todos os engenheiros envolvidos na construção desse Mac, é uma maquina voltada para um publico específico.
Its an excuse when people talk about the price..even a 8 year old know that is for pros..you re a " genious"
Can you change the CPU with a different Xeon?
Yes
with same socket all xeon w
abiem zorg, all Xeon W’s are with the same socket?
@@AntonKuznetsovMusic Yes
Simple and clean explanation. Thanks, i hit the subs button.
Awesome video!
Thats pretty cool man
Very interesting exploration of the new Mac Pro. What's really inside the Apple Afterburner card ?
It's a progamable ASIC. (Basically a application specific compute card that (with the correct API can optimize certain workflows.)
asic/fpga for spesific 1task
No match for a top nvidia RTX..FGPA cant top the speed of a dedicated card with CUDA
Sergio Yi lmao on what case why nvidia add its rt /tensore core why not add it own cuda core
Sergio Yi and why google made its own tpu not use nvidia V100 etc ... and why miner use asic/fpga card not usin nvidia/amd card any more
Cool, very detailed!
09:07 - What are those four greyish spots on the cpu socket?
Did you guys identify Bluetooth and WiFi card / soldered part ? Do you have part numbers for it ?
It’s like I’m watching “This Old House” but with a computer.
😂
OWC btw, awesome business. Been buying various Mac parts since 2007! Thank you.
We're always glad to hear that!! Thanks right back!
I wonder what will be the price just for the entire case without any components.
No Wires.. that's impressive
5:15
Where’s his ESD strap?!
can I use ssd from an iMac 2017 to the Mac Pro 2019?
I feel like Joel Haver is doing the teardown but it never gets funny
A motherboard as big as the casing. So compact I guess...
HELP! I wanted to replace my 580X GPU with a 5700X, but when I attempted to pull the release latch (after taking off the plates, etc.) I heard something snap inside and now it's not pushing the rollers on the other side as it should. Is there any other way for me to remove the module? It is FIRMLY in place and will not come out.
Did U manage to sort it out?
That is so fuckin clean. Not a single cable or cheesy RGB lighting. Lol.
Thanks.
Here a question can you build normal pc in the new Mac Pro case
Sure, buy the computer give me the internals and keep the case.
Of course, just give me your credit cadd information and i can begin doing it!
please dissasembly afterburner card and vega "Pro duo" please
nothing interesting on the vega duo, just a card with a big heatsink
yeah if u dont understand how u manage 2 power hunggry card how they manage to cool it down how what power stages they use what feature it had and what the different from vega 64 and how 2 different gpu works flawlessly with or without interconnect or how amd aproach are still like r9 295 or usin new sclabel data fabric or new approach that we dont know
Thanks for the excellent teardown. I usually go to ifixit for those but their Mac Pro teardown was complete crap for some reason
Exceelent but price is high
good job
Cmos battery stays in it
How does it handle Blender?
Its an over engineered piece its so clean
10K $ yes ?
No a single cable!!!!!
No. You have one. Spk cable. One, and only one, but...
An Apple Silicon (Arm CPU)
A bios update
And boom: "The most powerful mac ever"
I mean, I can't imagine that Apple pulled in a hardware that polished just one year before the first Arm based mac without the ability for this mac to be improve with an Arm Hardware Transition Kit !
Did they ?
Wait apple computere have a bios system? I never knew that
All computers have a form of boot firmware / software, in Apples case it's not accessible easily like a regular windows computers.
@@D-One so apple uses a Recovery mode instead of the typical bios we are used to?
In novadays it's called UEFI - Unified Extensible Firmware Interface. Every PC motherboard has own system to check hardware. Mostly it check first if the CPU, Memory etc works correctly, then the machine will turns on.
BIOS hasn’t been used by any PC manufacturer for a long time now. These days, they use UEFI.
A lot of people call UEFI, “UEFI BIOS”, but that’s because they are confused. UEFI is one thing, and BIOS is another much older technology.
@KMSMista PCs do not use a knockoff version. UEFI is what came after EFI, which was originally an Intel technology. Intel (and I believe in conjunction with Microsoft), created EFI originally for their Itanium platform. Apple adopted it because they wanted to switch to the Intel architecture, but couldn't justify downgrading from Open Firmware (which Apple used on their PowerPC Macs) to BIOS. At the time, it was indeed rare in the PC world, but eventually EFI evolved into UEFI (Intel was involved in some way), and it became the standard in the PC world as well.
what a huge motherboard！
My name is Brady, my name is Tom
Apple only mobo and radeon vega ii duo cards
..........this seemed super scripted to me.... Otherwise cool video.
Detailed teardowns similar to this would all be scripted to a degree so they know how to dismantle it properly and efficiently before recording. They could be a bit more convincing on delivery though lol.
I generally enjoy the OWC instructional video series because of the straight forward nature, but this one was cheesy, and was missing an infomercial studio audience saying in unison “Wow!”.
have never had a chance to touch mac pro, so expensive. Now I know why.
if you want to spend over 20k on mac pro , better use those money and build a threadripper rig
Great
Can the two 500 GB SSD chips be changed from Raid 0 to Raid 1?
Macos supports softare raid (also for boot driver) but im not sure you can address each of the modulaes directly to do that, but if you add in a PCIe nvme card you can boot fo that or raid that into the main boot volume if you want,
Forgot to say about the PCI express lock.😉
Where on earth is this superlike button :)
Is it a stereo speaker or there needs to be another Mac Pro to make it Stereo? haha
メモリどこにあんのかなって思ってたら裏にあったんか
ECCメモリってのが凄いよな
Respect for Apple
better than iFixit
太帅了！这才是未来的电脑，
Привет из России. Ваше видео просто супер.
The VRM setup on this mainboard is just a joke for a LGA 3647 platform. I mean this 6+4 phases you get with your typical 120$ Asus mainboard for LGA 1151, which is designed for 95w TDP CPUs. The 28 core Mac Pro CPU (Intel W 3275M ) is a 205w TDP rated CPU, which will definitely wants to see more than 10 VRM phases. Other mainboard manufacturers put huge VRM setups on their LGA 3647 platforms, like this one www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/ROG-Dominus-Extreme/
Hate to say this, but for a at least 6000$ system, the Mac Pros Mainboards sucks!
Interesting point of view
“How long do you think that will run on battery power?” Seems like you need a more technically sophisticated assistant....
Why?
I think it's pretty obvious that he is being sarcastic...
Nice vid. Good work guys. It's engineering masterpiece, but for that money entry config is joke. 256GB flash? Seriously? In 2020?! That config, with two 512GB modules, is also joke. Workstation must have bigger system drive! GPU, more RAM, specialized cards ..yea, ok, buy more, but this? Apple its sucks.
you need a 4k cam so i can zoooom and shit bro. grampa cam got to go isly.
Plain Jane black..expensive guts.
Sell a kidney for this mac pro
Tom Brady
Mac design is just a headache to take things out. PC master race
cheese grater!
Algo ridículamente costoso
apple mining farm coming soon 2020...
Well i saw some cheap ass RAMs here
Possibly they are not even B-die. That would not surprise me.
This is unacceptable in piece of tech for $5,999
However your teardown was pure joy! Happy Holidays!
Literally every workstation uses the cheapest memory.
You can actually safe a lot of money by just ordering the base model RAM config. Apple wants 25.000$ for 1,5tb RAM. On newegg you get the same amount for around 12.000$.
I would also ditch the Vega II Pro Duo(5200$) and buy four Radeon VII cards (700$ each, 2100$) instead. Safes you 3100$ while enjoying 2 times the FP32 performance compared to the Pro Duo card.
Easily safed over 15.000$. Apple hates me now
I have a feeling you think RGB or fancy looking Ram is "good ram"... thats not how it works buddy, there's no such thing as cheap ECC Ram.
@@D-One i have a feeling you do not know what you are talking about. ECC DDR4 RAM is cheaper than normal "mainstream RAM" (at the same amount). And of course this RAM i mentioned is ECC DDR4.
I have feeling that you can get the fuck out MacCultist and check prices for ECC. Cheap ECC exist and they use it happily
And also read this topic just for realization what actually they offer for THAT ammount of money. Get off from high horse, sir
wccftech.com/apple-mac-pro-ddr4-ecc-memory-cheapest/
Have a happy holidays
Дякую!!!!
Give me hahaha
The air flow is very bad
yes how to steal money people
I build a pc with a fifth of the money, much better