Nonlinear And Random Practice with Dr. Pietro Mazzoni
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The amazing Dr. Pietro Mazzoni, Director of Columbia University's Motor Performance Lab. Learn more in the complete interview: troygrady.com/...
Great to see you dig deep into the learning process! Thanks for all these great videos! Science is the way to go!!
Troy, you are doing an amazing job with your research on practicing musical instruments. The series of breaking the code in picking techniques deserves wide recognition and has addressed the very mysteries of such complex mechanical habit.
I'd like to suggest one condition that seems still "hidden" somewhere, namely: muscular body development and body types determining coordination, fine motor skills and reaction time. Would love to hear your insight about this.
Congrats!
Best,
Pedro
Troy I really dig your instructional videos. I've gained improvements in a few shot months because of your dedication to reverse engineering mechanics. This mini series, talking to these various performance professors...this is very interesting please continue with more of this type of mini series!!! This is information with great carry over to other facets of life and more strategies for success
Tossing the salad....are you taking these videos in a new direction Troy? hehe
When are these being released, everything you've been doing has been what I needed.
I'm rather looking forward to this. Figuring out how to learn to play by learning to learn is something that I've been trying to get a handle on for the longest time. About time someone explained it.
Fantastic! Can't wait for the entire conversation! :)
Thank you Troy!
I had to rewind it a couple times as I couldn't stop laughing after the "tossing the salad" line.
Fascinating questions though, nice work Troy.
this is amazing, and very similar to the stuff mentioned in the "Make It Stick: The Science of Successful Learning" book by Peter Brown
+ReCharredSigh It's true. This knowledge can be applied to any kind of learning proccess. Not just music
***** yeah it's amazing how you can use this learning process for both something that's muscle-memory related (sports, music) or completely knowledge-related (studies, school), and it enhances either one.
In music, I was taught that you should be always working on 3 pieces in various stages. One you are finishing up, one about half way, and the other in the beginning stages.
Keeping boredom at bay is the biggest issue I've always run into with learning something new. Nothing kills motivation as much as boredom and predictability. Once you start to loathe the idea of "having" to practice something you are a step away from giving up.
+Various Things I know how that goes. Fear is usually public enemy #1 when it comes to keeping people from accomplishing something.
Finding that reasonable balance is nebulous; you don't ever know for sure what the perfect balance is. So most people just do whatever they do and hope for the best.
I'm guessing a pretty common system is the linear ladder idea of learning a section then adding the next bit and playing the total of what you have learned all the way through and if any mistake is made then start over again from beginning with the emphasis of not making that mistake again. But if along the way you make a mistake you start over again and keep this process going until you learn the whole piece without making any mistakes.
Of course this is not a perfectly efficient method, but it is at least some method. So I guess the question becomes what are the best methods and which ones are right for you and what you are currently learning?
This is a really bad method of practice because you spend most of your practice time on the material you already know and the least on the material that's causing the most trouble.
For me, the key to practising is to do things slooooooooooooooooooooowly and perfectly from the start. That knowledge then gets buried in the subconscious after a few weeks/months and execution becomes automatic and effortless like writing.
The randomization element is there to prevent boredom settling in, making the learning process more enjoyable. It seems the brain rebels against repetition and routine as a social protection mechanism to prevent people from getting lost in a rut. The brain thrives on new experiences and making new neural connections.
It seems like the random practice is good for developing technique and coordination but not necessarily speed. What do you think? Hopefully your Speed course will answer that question.
What I found out about speed in guitar playing in my case is that the typical advice of 'go slow and then start increasing the speed' makes absolutely no sense. There are several reasons. If I play slow or fast, my right hand technique is completely different thing in both cases. If I play slow, I have a lot of time to do those weird things like string hopping and hitting the strings real hard or angle the pick in unusual ways. But when I go fast (even if I can't do it well), several things happen. I can no longer hop the strings. There is just no time to do that. So somehow I either use different wrist motions or hit the strings in ways which are not a clean playing style any more. I would also run into trouble with muscle tension and lose timing and speed fast. So by playing slow I tend to build bad habits that block my fast playing. Without reinventing my technique I can't go faster. So after finding out this problem, I realized it's much better for me to try to play as fast as I can, no matter how clean/dirty it is and then slow it down from there while keeping that 'fast' technique and working on it. Too much thinking about technique however seems to slow me down again, so it's best to let my body do the thinking and naturally decide what motions to use. I just think about playing clean, fast and relaxed and try to let the rest happen on it's own. There are some secrets I've found after many years, all of them have to do with completely different body parts. The best improvement I've got so far was linked with rotator cuff and back excersises... yep, it seems my playing depends most on my body posture, not if I practice playing all day long...
Check out Max Dibble's video called Jason Becker practice journal 3. It's been the most effective method for me so far.
I had a problem with most of my musician friends is I found I was still wanting to play all night and practice while they wanted to go home.
"tossin' the salad."....lol
Lmao, tossing the salad.
so if you want to practice the guitar, you should probably practice. and if you don't feel like practicing the guitar, should probably practice Something.
i think they meant u should practice guitar then, maybe, a zither and then practice making ramen noodles...