I have no other footage as I only played 3 builds in 1.0. Ive tired some stuff before patch notes came out with none of it being worth even getting b roll of. Yes I have no forge knight b roll lying aorund but honestly, idk who does given how weak forge was for anything but weapons
Forge Guard will be Meta in 1.1. You can also scale Shield throw like crazy now since they reworked Avenger's Wrath talent to give 2% crit multi per 100 Block Eff. With 10k Block eff that is 200% crit multi right there. Thornmail also was reworked so you can get crazy flat damage increase based on Armor with Sigeon Reprisal. Dual wielding shields also is just freaking awesome!! There will be some very wonky OP builds and playing a Hybrid Shield Bash with Sigeon to proc Shield throw for League start. I can't wait!!!
I was playing around with a dot build idea. Using manifest armor, javelin, multistrike, forge strike and smite. Proccing smites with javelin and multistrike, while healing minions with javelin and smite. Only got to level 60 but i was getting over 50 stacks of bleed and ignite each on targets with poop gear. The issue with multistrike tho, is that the smites wont hit your target, which is trah
I've also been theory crafting. I agree can make this very Tanky. More than Werebear druid. Damage is lack lustre. Either I missed something but your math might be wrong on the +800 Flat. You should be dividing by 20 not 10? Anyways I can get the damage to about 25% more than my Werebear tank. Need around 180% increased mana regen to be net neutral. I need to test the size of Shield Bash AOE before I even consider it.
I actually am planning a reflect build with Shield bash as single target with the Thornshell, and the new block axe. As you can get a large amount of Strength even when focusing on attunement, and the new Thornmail node is a HUGE amount of reflect with Thornshell with max armor mit, which for Sent is basically always. for example, with 100 Attunement, just Thornshell and the passive, that is 6400 unmitigated direct damage to anything that hits you, with no flat affixes on gear.
Ive had a few people bring this up yesterday too as a potential build and its actually pretty cool to think about. It would be funny if we get another storng reflect build again like the old minion reflect builds from before the idol rework. I hope it works well because it woule be nice to see another arpg do a reflect build thats good as the last good one was in D3.
i just did the math, put it all in excel spread sheet. even with perfect gear, and 10,000 block effectiveness you'd barely break 70k dps vs lvl 100 mobs. but at least you're tanky af. you're more realistically going to hang out in the 25k -35k dps range. It's a noob trap. there just aren't enough damage multipliers in the skill tree itself.
From my planner I have 500 add dmg with 500% inc dmg, 150% more, 40% more. 60% more multy and 40% penetration, (i'm not counting 110% inc att speed) is gonna feel bad.... idk what you build into but your math sucks...
@@milosradojcic9736 link to your planner please? btw my math is literally take numbers and nodes from passive and skill tree and puting it into calc. but go ahead and try to enjoy shield bash, once you realize how bad it still is you can just remember me.
Hi Allie i have a generic question about your endgame filter (the one you mention in your written guide) : can we use that for trade league or it's really not designed for that type of focus ?
It can be used for anything really, sonce you can adjust anything about it quickly, you can add and remove any stats that are worthwhile to sell for profit if you want to. The allie filter is just a template that allows you to very quickly filter the exact stats you want to see
I don't think you meant broken. I see your numbers but have you not played the other classes? More like Forge Guard is finally catching up. Thanks, Allie.
Any opinion on what a fun class would be for a casual player, looking for something not super grindy with a lot of uniques but just engaging and fun to play for a casual player! was thinking of some sort of pally build but unsure!
I played around with t a bit more after this video and this is what I came up with - www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2PYzqnB Its not meant to be a guide nor is it meant to be something thats easy to put together as I only was interested in the endgame of it and how it would look. I do plan to "dumb" this down and obviously put together a more reasonable setup when i make a guide on this if it ends up doing well.
No you are right it is 400 in this example sorry. Last night we were throrycrafting a variant that got to 17k block effect and I guess I was thinking of that number as I was talking.
ALLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE !!!! T__T I'm dying inside waiting for this build... do you have somthing to give us to start ???? I love your builds, I don't want to play any other builds than yours for the 1.1 start... but I don't live the sorc.... everybody is playing sorc atm. anyway, thank you for your hard work. take care.
Unforutanetly not really which really sucks. I tried reaaaaaaaaaaly hard to make shield throw viable for 1.1 I even found a few bugs that multiply shield throws damage and even with bug abusing, it wasnt enough to make it feel good. I was hoping that shield throw would also get buffed at the same time thield bash got buffed but, sadly it didnt happen which is dissapointing.
I really hope 800 flat damage is enough to make shield bash do good damage. Its my only worry here as there doesnt seem to be much we can do other than block effectiveness
@@Alliee SInce you should be able to get Monument of Protection with LP, you could try to hit flat melee crit chance (up to 7% i think). Now you can scale crit if you need to
Yeah, my plan would be to get a 2LP momument given how relatively easy it is to get and to try and get both base crit + % crit or attack speed on it. Shouldnt be too difficult to hit a good 2 LP one in a few days of farming at most
I dont have anything made currently but I do plan to try this out and make a guide on it once 1.1 starts. I am very very tempted to just send this on launch rather than my meteor build just due to how fun it looks
Old man sentinel upgraded from a wheelchair to a tank, really wish they gave the class some mobility. But who needs to dodge when you can tank everything? xdd
tankiness? absolutely! but dmg, traversal speed, clearspeed, or feelsgoodness/fun? I don't think so. a melee AND directional attack are two very detremental tags. even if this skill does like 2x dmg, I don't think it will feel fun or good to play unlike something like frost claw, shadow daggers, falcon run around and explode, comfy warpath, etc.
Well, the current setup I have put together is at 85% MS + you get healing hands which honestly feels fine for mobility. You can also go Shield Rush which when used well isint too bad. The traversal point isint really a fair point given all of Sentinel striggles here. We cant really comment on damage yet since we havent played the skill but +400 flat damage is bound to be decent when combined with the 1% more per str scaler. We also dont know if they changed Shield Bash's attack and even if they didnt, you have plenty of points left over to pick up Broadened Shield and mabe even Splintering Blow.
Id like to in a few days once I do everyhting I plan to do on Sorc. I am reaaaaly hoping bash does good dps as its the only unknown here and unfortunately we just cannot even test it until it goes live.
@@Thorkou agreed. And even IF (and that's huge if imo) it does do DMG, it still isn't visually exciting, it's melee, AND directional. It's like going around wacking everything. Even if high DMG, it's not exciting compared to more visually or mechanically designed skills
I have no forge guard b roll in the slightest nor did I have time to gather any given we have 3 days to get everything ready. Realistically, the video is all about the discussion behind Forge Guard and how storng SHield Bash which is currently so weak I couldnt get b-roll of it even if I wanted to.
You know forge guard is a meme when Allie uses every other classes's footage for her background footage
I mean, she's been doing that for all 1.1 stuff lol and the same footage also
I have no other footage as I only played 3 builds in 1.0. Ive tired some stuff before patch notes came out with none of it being worth even getting b roll of. Yes I have no forge knight b roll lying aorund but honestly, idk who does given how weak forge was for anything but weapons
Forge Guard will be Meta in 1.1. You can also scale Shield throw like crazy now since they reworked Avenger's Wrath talent to give 2% crit multi per 100 Block Eff. With 10k Block eff that is 200% crit multi right there. Thornmail also was reworked so you can get crazy flat damage increase based on Armor with Sigeon Reprisal. Dual wielding shields also is just freaking awesome!! There will be some very wonky OP builds and playing a Hybrid Shield Bash with Sigeon to proc Shield throw for League start. I can't wait!!!
I was playing around with a dot build idea. Using manifest armor, javelin, multistrike, forge strike and smite. Proccing smites with javelin and multistrike, while healing minions with javelin and smite. Only got to level 60 but i was getting over 50 stacks of bleed and ignite each on targets with poop gear.
The issue with multistrike tho, is that the smites wont hit your target, which is trah
I've also been theory crafting. I agree can make this very Tanky. More than Werebear druid. Damage is lack lustre. Either I missed something but your math might be wrong on the +800 Flat. You should be dividing by 20 not 10? Anyways I can get the damage to about 25% more than my Werebear tank. Need around 180% increased mana regen to be net neutral. I need to test the size of Shield Bash AOE before I even consider it.
Is possible to play a good FG build without Volatile Reversal? I hate this skills specially for HC....
Another classic bait by Allie 🤭
Baseg
@@Allieeare you baiting us Allie... don't do this plz, i want forge to be good😢
I actually am planning a reflect build with Shield bash as single target with the Thornshell, and the new block axe. As you can get a large amount of Strength even when focusing on attunement, and the new Thornmail node is a HUGE amount of reflect with Thornshell with max armor mit, which for Sent is basically always. for example, with 100 Attunement, just Thornshell and the passive, that is 6400 unmitigated direct damage to anything that hits you, with no flat affixes on gear.
Ive had a few people bring this up yesterday too as a potential build and its actually pretty cool to think about. It would be funny if we get another storng reflect build again like the old minion reflect builds from before the idol rework. I hope it works well because it woule be nice to see another arpg do a reflect build thats good as the last good one was in D3.
i just did the math, put it all in excel spread sheet. even with perfect gear, and 10,000 block effectiveness you'd barely break 70k dps vs lvl 100 mobs. but at least you're tanky af. you're more realistically going to hang out in the 25k -35k dps range. It's a noob trap. there just aren't enough damage multipliers in the skill tree itself.
Please share the math / sheet
From my planner I have 500 add dmg with 500% inc dmg, 150% more, 40% more. 60% more multy and 40% penetration, (i'm not counting 110% inc att speed) is gonna feel bad.... idk what you build into but your math sucks...
@@milosradojcic9736 link to your planner please? btw my math is literally take numbers and nodes from passive and skill tree and puting it into calc. but go ahead and try to enjoy shield bash, once you realize how bad it still is you can just remember me.
@@metalsteel5631 can you show your calculations?
@@metalsteel5631 dont know why every time i try to link the planner it gets deleted here
Oh no, it seems too good to be true... ....let`s do it!
Hi Allie i have a generic question about your endgame filter (the one you mention in your written guide) : can we use that for trade league or it's really not designed for that type of focus ?
It can be used for anything really, sonce you can adjust anything about it quickly, you can add and remove any stats that are worthwhile to sell for profit if you want to. The allie filter is just a template that allows you to very quickly filter the exact stats you want to see
I don't think you meant broken. I see your numbers but have you not played the other classes? More like Forge Guard is finally catching up. Thanks, Allie.
Any opinion on what a fun class would be for a casual player, looking for something not super grindy with a lot of uniques but just engaging and fun to play for a casual player! was thinking of some sort of pally build but unsure!
Hamardian or Sorc fireball. Their soild and should be able to do high corruption runs.
any link to the build?
I played around with t a bit more after this video and this is what I came up with - www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2PYzqnB
Its not meant to be a guide nor is it meant to be something thats easy to put together as I only was interested in the endgame of it and how it would look. I do plan to "dumb" this down and obviously put together a more reasonable setup when i make a guide on this if it ends up doing well.
@@Alliee ty
800 flat or 400 flat damage from indomitable force? What am i missing?
No you are right it is 400 in this example sorry. Last night we were throrycrafting a variant that got to 17k block effect and I guess I was thinking of that number as I was talking.
ALLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE !!!! T__T I'm dying inside waiting for this build... do you have somthing to give us to start ???? I love your builds, I don't want to play any other builds than yours for the 1.1 start... but I don't live the sorc.... everybody is playing sorc atm. anyway, thank you for your hard work. take care.
Im working on a bash build right now and it is showing promise, if you want to seeit for yourself you can always come by twitch
@@Alliee I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YOU !!! I'll be on your twich asap I'm off working. It's so nice I can't wait.
Catch up - My forge guard was broken last cycle 😂
Does anyone of this benefit Shield Throw? I would love a Captain America build
Unforutanetly not really which really sucks. I tried reaaaaaaaaaaly hard to make shield throw viable for 1.1 I even found a few bugs that multiply shield throws damage and even with bug abusing, it wasnt enough to make it feel good. I was hoping that shield throw would also get buffed at the same time thield bash got buffed but, sadly it didnt happen which is dissapointing.
Interesting take. I also had a similar thought for my 2nd character. Leaning into block, shield bash, damage reflection and shield throw. Exciting.
I really hope 800 flat damage is enough to make shield bash do good damage. Its my only worry here as there doesnt seem to be much we can do other than block effectiveness
@@Alliee SInce you should be able to get Monument of Protection with LP, you could try to hit flat melee crit chance (up to 7% i think). Now you can scale crit if you need to
Yeah, my plan would be to get a 2LP momument given how relatively easy it is to get and to try and get both base crit + % crit or attack speed on it. Shouldnt be too difficult to hit a good 2 LP one in a few days of farming at most
@@Alliee Any idea how to get more than around 30% crit chance in total? Dont know if it is enough to be worthwhile
Is there a planner or guide for this?
I dont have anything made currently but I do plan to try this out and make a guide on it once 1.1 starts. I am very very tempted to just send this on launch rather than my meteor build just due to how fun it looks
Old man sentinel upgraded from a wheelchair to a tank, really wish they gave the class some mobility. But who needs to dodge when you can tank everything? xdd
You will have evade...
I think I’m going to go shield bash and yolo it.
FORGE GUARD = no thanks I have self respect : P
tankiness? absolutely! but dmg, traversal speed, clearspeed, or feelsgoodness/fun? I don't think so.
a melee AND directional attack are two very detremental tags. even if this skill does like 2x dmg, I don't think it will feel fun or good to play unlike something like frost claw, shadow daggers, falcon run around and explode, comfy warpath, etc.
Well, the current setup I have put together is at 85% MS + you get healing hands which honestly feels fine for mobility. You can also go Shield Rush which when used well isint too bad. The traversal point isint really a fair point given all of Sentinel striggles here. We cant really comment on damage yet since we havent played the skill but +400 flat damage is bound to be decent when combined with the 1% more per str scaler. We also dont know if they changed Shield Bash's attack and even if they didnt, you have plenty of points left over to pick up Broadened Shield and mabe even Splintering Blow.
Will you be making a guide on FG?
Id like to in a few days once I do everyhting I plan to do on Sorc. I am reaaaaly hoping bash does good dps as its the only unknown here and unfortunately we just cannot even test it until it goes live.
Forge guard meta? That's a good joke. Your the only le tuber rooting for forge guard lol. Might be un killable but it will do zero damage lmao.
@@Thorkou agreed. And even IF (and that's huge if imo) it does do DMG, it still isn't visually exciting, it's melee, AND directional.
It's like going around wacking everything. Even if high DMG, it's not exciting compared to more visually or mechanically designed skills
Forge Guard planner?
Will be coming soon as I am swapping over to Forge Knight myself to end the debate of weather Shield Bash is good or not.
I wanna be (mind) broken
HUH
@@Alliee Did I stutter bish
why is the video about Forge Guard but sorcerer gameplay is shown? This is very new player unfriendly
I have no forge guard b roll in the slightest nor did I have time to gather any given we have 3 days to get everything ready. Realistically, the video is all about the discussion behind Forge Guard and how storng SHield Bash which is currently so weak I couldnt get b-roll of it even if I wanted to.
classic allie yapping
Holy fuck calm down on the over hype champ
UwU