I Test Drove a 288,000 MILE RSX Type S! - Project Car Search part 1
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2020
- Holy VTEC BRO!! I can't believe this thing didn't blow up when I floored it! 288,000 miles and this Acura RSX Type-S still goes ham
And, by ham, I mean that it hit VTEC and still revved out to about 8,000rpm (I think I shifted around 7600rpm). It felt very very slow, as to be expected with that many miles. Im sure it only puts down like 145-150whp as it sits. I mean, It was SLOW, but it could be something we could work with.
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It's crazy how little the guy knew about his car. It blows my mind when people don't clean the car up before they try to sell it too..
Right!! Hell just a quick pressure wash would go a long way😫
But what do you expect for 1000 bucks on a rsx that has almost 300k and listed as a project car...come on now, mine is 252k I'd sell for 6k because it looks brand new from factory and built.
he said he was selling for someone moron
Those are TSX wheels bro! And probably vibrating cause it might need a rear motor mount
I wouldn’t buy a car from someone who doesn’t know anything about the car. Just me though.
It doesn't help that he didn't bring anyone with him who knows cars or is a mechanic. This guy is an idiot.
I wouldn't call him an idiot he's just doesn't know a whole lot about cars. You gotta start somewhere right? Lol
@@smokinmnpurps true.
I have no idea how anyone can drive a car around the way it is.
I would, they're the best people to low ball especially if the car has some really nice parts. As long as I know what I'm looking at Im good.
"can you feel it" and she says "no." Next car.
lol exactly
That’s why its called a “project car” 🤦♂️
He wants a new car for $1,800 shh lol
I know fuckin cringe man, kind of rude too. What do you honestly expect for 1800 for a rsx....some people man
😂
lmao 🤣
Can’t stand a complainer that’s already getting hooked up .
The sound could be a motor mount, however, even warmed up it still would drone. So, you may be right, heat shield, but that also would still make noise warmed up. But, $1800, no way, a grand, that's it.
Especially with the amount of miles. I would pass on it unless you were planning to swap out the engine.
My focus does the same thing, the stock motor mounts suck so when the engine is cold it rattles the car a lot.
1800 for a type s is a good deal......... u cant even get the engine for that.
I think I would buy it. I had two Type-S. They are very comfortable and fun to ride when they're in good condition. This is a project car build , and the more stuff that needs to fixed the better the content and knowledge you will learn from fixing and sourcing parts. I think this is a good step for a "project car". The brokenness and sweat and time is what makes it special for you and I think the content could be extensive for us and you. Don't feel overwhelmed by a project car. It's one of the reasons why people abandon them. I would pay at least 1k-1.2k.
Also, type s has 6 speed, that’s how u will know it is a type s
also has the k24 if its type s
@@justinbernardi8263 false 🤣
Type s has odo hits 160 redline 7900
@@leopoldbutters2633 Rsx base is k20 a3.
@@justinbernardi8263 rsx base has a k20z3 a typeS has a k20a2 or a k20z1 if its the 05 to 06
Easiest way to know if it’s a type s is a 6speed instead of a 5speed
This dude was lying through his teeth! What I recommend is to try to find one that is owned by an older adult; something that has been garaged at least and lightly driven. That is the gold mine of all used cars. Find a seller that doesn't have 3 stories leading to one. Seems like this car was a poor scattered project car that never found a proper personality. Find one that has service records at least.
Poor Vivian had to sit on that torn-up passengers seat. 😬
All I’m going to say is you can do it but just know you will need to replace everything and show it the love to make it feel like new and make it feel reliable
Yeah thats way you use the money you'd fix it up with and buy one in better condition
One thing for project cars I've learned is budget.. BUDGET IS KEY. Write down what you would like to do, such as turbo, new seats., ect. and write down what it may need. Such as bushing, tires, ect. And the cost of the parts and potentially the work if you are not doing it yourself. Project cars are super fun but I've learned to prioritize the essentials first and then add modifications to it. Good luck and keep up the videos!
Project car? More like super headache. dont do it!..he'll be lucky to get 500 for that thing. Also I find it shady when people say I dont know anything about it someone just gave it to me.
Don’t give up my man keep looking since I’m sure there’s lower mileage ones with less demanding and cheaper required fixes to start a project even tho I know it’s hard not to jump on the price think a little bit down the road about maintaining that just to keep it driveable you won’t regret being patient and getting a more budget friendly long term vehicle for your project.
You'd have to spend 5k to make that thing acceptable lol
Ehh if the miles weren't a factor.. a nice Maaco paint job and $500 in replacement parts, he can resell for $3000 easy
@@shotbyhoodie4683 That's absolutely true. But we can't act like mileage isn't a factor when it's almost at 300k miles. That's a ton...even for a Honda.
Don’t do it! You can find one way better.
If that engine is original it’s gonna go out anytime now. Just cause Vtec hits doesn’t mean it’s fine.
I just bought a 02 Type-S a week ago with 145k miles. I’ve already spent over $500 trying to fix JUST the AC. Imagine fixing anything else, big ol headache.
Dope video though!
Ac doesn’t really matter 😂🤦🏼♂️what matters is the car taking you to places Bc eventually ac compressors and leaks happen
That vibration is usually the passenger side mount, they're hydraulic and they'll vibrate like hell when they go bad, you can feel it in the dash
Cameron, I am your Father.....just kidding, I am the voice of reason. I'm 56 (married for 30 yrs) and have tons of life experience. Pass on this whole idea. You have a beautiful young lady by your side that truly cares for you. Trust me when I say she's a keeper as she allows you to pursue your passions. Pretty rare in today's world. I know you have a successful you tube channel but the bigger picture is you really need a house with a garage. I would be saving up for this and continue with your channel. I know you're afraid people will lose interest if you don't have good content but the content doesn't have to be about you or belong to you. Cover some of your friends vehicles and document their upgrades etc...Cover car shows, befriend someone with a garage or lift that can help you while you save up. The house and garage will allow you to work on projects, raise a family (if that is a goal) and increase your capabilities with your channel. I'm just looking at the big picture my man, something you may have to take a hit on for the time being but will pay dividends in the long run. Best of luck to you sir.
Thanks Guy! I value your input. That was very well said and I do agree with you 100%. I just have so many different ideas for things I could do, but you’re right, i dont have my own garage which would be key. I know it may be slightly insensitive to say this, but I plan on taking full advantage of the economic situation this country is about to be in and buy a house when the prices go down. Thats the plan right now
Cameron Hill
I applaud you for taking advantage of lower prices but if you find the right house and stay there long enough you’ll build equity anyway. I bought my house in Los Angeles in 2017 and have no intention of moving anytime soon. If and when I do sell I am sure even if bought it in 2007 at the height of the market I’ll still make money and all the time I am living in the house.
I also have a 2020 SI and love it it’s much more reliable and bang per buck than my 2016 428i
The Honda hands down is fun to drive and won’t break down like BMW always do
If you get the car for $1500 or less then it's a decent deal. The bushings on all the mounts are probably shot. The engine mount bushing, control arm bushings etc. That's the vibrating your hearing that's a $500+ job. Also you should check the control arms and axles for rust cause those will be your most expensive to replace. They rust out really easy on rsx and Integra. The real thing to do with this would be get a k20az3 head for hella cheap and some afe pistons and rods. Ultimately putting it on a k24 bottom block.
What's the best way to get a k24 bottom block?
The 05 06 type s is the best years for an rsx more power and better looking headlights and taillights I sold my 05 type s to get a 17 sport hatch I do miss the raw feeling of a car and especially the vtec.
Esiest way to differ a type s from a base is 1.6 speed trans. 2. Type s doesn’t have the plastic manifold unlike the base. 3.gauge cluster type s goes up to 8.2 redline base is around 7redline. 4. On the vin the 8th digit will tell you what it is 0=type s 6,8=base
The tough thing with these cars is the ones in good shape with low miles go for big bucks. The cheap ones, like this one, are usually used, abused, and need a ton of work.
You want a project car, that's a project car. You can't complain about something you're asking for. The only thing you need to understand is, what and why you are making the purchase! As long as you have a plan, projected cost / spend, and time to COMPLETE the car to your standards, should let you know what and where you want to spend your money. I wouldn't buy a car until I know how much I wanted to spend to make it special to me. Hell you make me want to start my own channel and showcase a build. Thanks Bro...
My type types s has 270k miles and still runs like new. It's been well maintained. Nothing but the power window switch and washer fluid tank have broken. Best car I've ever owned. Very fun to drive.
I did replace the coils too. These cars are very high now.
nope still low
@@AznSway Yup, just checked. The cheapest Type S at cargurus is twice what I paid for mine.
Its a no for me, need to find a cleaner and lower milage type s.
For 1000 bucks 300k should be more than fine, but since both previous owners didn't replace anything and need paint then no. If didn't need paint that's a steal, mine has 252k and looks like a showroom car I wouldn't let go for less than 6k itll last easily to 500k because I maintain my vehicles
Always great content bro!
thank you very much
YOLO! Let’s see it!
If you buy it, I’ll buy the beater type S near me!
Lol this was a long time ago! Im gonna sell the cobra and see whats out there after my wedding/honeymoon
You can definitely do it , if your willing to put that work in , but id say 1500 👍🏽 great content btw
Honestly, I feel like your UA-cam would benefit more if you kept your si or bought a type r. In my opinion, I think people want to watch you drive/mod more recent cars rather than older ones. Just speaking for myself though. 🤷🏽♂️
i value your input. thanks!
I like older Hondas- so I respectfully disagree
For real man, you want a project car? That is the perfect car to build. Over a billion parts for them literally. Trans or motor you can find for $300 all day. Buy a motor, start building that one while you continue to drive it and fix other things like suspension tires ect. From what I can tell from your video, every problem you mentioned are minor. Who cares about the paint. That should be the very last thing on the build, it'll be a sleeper in the meantime
It's crazy how Miles are just a number tho depending how it was treated...I got a 05 type s with 238xxx on it...but it's literally one of the cleanest type s I've seen in my life
7:33 Head lights taking in water ... as your messing with the tail lights.. LOL
Sales Guy: It don’t work, this don’t work etc.
I’d either get a 5th gen prelude or integra gsr for a project. Keep your Si though.
To make sure it’s a type-s look for 6 speed trans instead of 5. Also, look at redline. 02-04 had 7900rpm redline and 05-06 had 8100rpm redline. I’d be surprised if gauge cluster was swapped. Also, 02-04 bottom was body color matching for type s
It was a 6 speed
@@Camhill182 then you're golden. I have a blue 2005 RSX Type-S I'm considering putting up for sale in May this year. I'm the original owner as it turned 15 in February. 187K miles. Let me know if it's something you'd be interested. I'm not sure what your budget is but I'm going to put it up for sale higher than $1800. I only have Injen CAI. I have the OEM A-Spec Spoiler. I have rust on back right wheel due to age but it's in much better condition.
Idk man. This strikes me as less of a project and more of an emergency daily. You could easily put $10k+ into this just to get it in decent shape.
right, yea, im going to look at other cars
You should offer $600 for it cause they would either get $500 for it as a trade-in or $300 at a junkyard. I would keep looking though, and maybe for something totally different, you already have a Honda coupe, variety is good.
If it’s a project do it give it a refresh 👍🏼 just really depends how much money you have to spend and how long you want to keep it as a project
Here in Canada I got the Canadian base (no leather option, no heated seats, no ABS, no sunroof, no cruise, no alloys) for$900 and it ran well with just a bit of surface rust and tiny dings and some scraped to the bumpers. ONly real repair it needed was a new rad. Also did the rear bake pads.
I bought a 2003 acura rsx with 2 spun bearings for $1,000. Rebuilding the short block costed just over $1,000 because I had to buy a new crankshaft (Nippon Racing) Don't be afraid to rebuild your short block guys I'm telling you it makes a difference. Depending on engine wear you could always bore & get over sized pistons within specifications of course...
No this acura is way to jacked up I own a acura rsx 2005 btw. i say keep looking for another rsx
Good video and also just an FYI if you're looking to tell if it's a type s the sub in the spare is something only found in the type s I believe
Way too many miles and parts will be hard to find! I had to give up my integra because new replacement parts were no longer available! Love RSX's and Integras!
Wrong. Try a site called Amayama and even Ebay.
mack cummy u are wrong the key word is new and not a used part on ebay at least for integras rsx new parts will be gone like the dinosaurs.
@@bigdadjorel7151 Amayaa sells new Ebay too.
They are awesome , but somtimes they have 200,000+ miles and still want 10,000 for a stock rsx its crazy
I know right
When you look at a car always check the oil and see if it has metal flakes in the oil. Also start it up and pop the oil cap and see if it blows oil out . Just a couple of things to look at bro.
TSX wheels, the black is definitely oil, for type a check the RPM range, and check if it's got 6 gears which ofcourse wont always be a factor because anyone could swap it.
That is a ton of miles, now the only way this build would work, is swapping it to a k24 right away including the trans, sell this K foe cheap (like 500) somone will buy it for a civic swap and rebuild it. A k24 swap will run you about 1800 with trans and everything, maybe 2k if you decide to get kpro which I would actually recommend, the body doesnt Mater if it has 280k or 600k itll still look the same, needs paint anyways and you'll be changing the seats which stock will run you about 400+ or aftermarket if youd like of course. Definitely the move for a project if you have the money and time...if you planned on doing the same k20a2 build then forget it lol, they run about 1,300 with lower miles and the trans about 700 or so. Just about the same as the k24 swap only reference is the k24 you'll find easier with less miles, and it'll shoot up the value a little bit for resale, plus power 🤷🏽♂️...down side is the rev range, but if you throw a k20a2 head you'll be hitting 8,500k again instead of the 7k ish for the stock k24 head. Hope this helped...its lengthy but this is my best advice, I personally own a 2002 type s, shes got 196k and shes running strong still.
Hope you finda good one.I have a turbo Type-S myself here in Canada.
Nice car. Buddy has one.
Hey Cameron my girlfriend got a 1998 accord 3.0L vtec v6 coupe in San Marino red (awesome color) from family and it needs some work but it has 280k and is still a solid car, power is still strong and runs like a champ....gotta love honda👍👍👍
Nice! I like those old accords
I'm buying a 245k one right now as we speak, excellent condition and new engine with 06 front end conversion
The car runs for $800 or less is a plus. If you are looking for a cheap project car then you should get it. If you worried about money, time, and work, then get some one else's completed project car. Get the car, drive, maintain, and add as you go. Swap to a K24 and swapping parts won't hurt to throw out since they really don't have value. Also, listen to your girl. She sees it as a competition. She is worried about her time. You already have a nice car. Just upgrade to a type R. For the 1st time we have the type R and you got the si. I think God sent you that girl to think for you.
One thing to know if it’s a K20a2, is the manifold. A PRB manifold isn’t plastic like the non type-s. the K20a3. Also, you could look at the engine vin as well. That bose system usually comes with the Type-S model but I may be wrong. I also noticed the radio needed a code which could probably be obtained from Honda or Online. You should try to get the code before purchasing. Otherwise, id buy it for $1000 and swap out those seats. Usually tan seats are easier to find especially in those older years 2002-2004.
I picked up my 02 Rsx with 248k for $1600. It is near mint with Function and form one piece coilovers and full cat back exhaust. She still rips!
$1800 for that lol!! May be $500-800. Strict no no for me. Dude Rev hang is for meeting emission norms. You will not have it in older cars. If front rotors are warped you will feel vibration in steering wheel braking at highway speeds. If the pedal is vibrating then the rear rotors are shot
Also, spongy brakes are indicative of air in the brake lines. Would likely go away after a flush/fluid replacement, which should be done with every fluid in this car. Seems like a ton of work needs to be put into it. I wouldn't pay more than $1000 for this car.
I bought a rsx with 306,000 miles and I love it of you wanna put the time and money sure but every rsx u get is either beat or high miles
I bought my 2002 type s for 1200 with a swap k20z1 engine in it, has 230k miles black color with fading clear coat on top needs reprogram key 2 bent wheels a bent lower control arm and spindle that holds the strut and changed a crack windshield and slight paint damage on bumper which is on my profile pic.. sold the car for 3400. Its clean title too sold it cuz of premium gas prices now im back to my gas saver 2000 civic ex manual😁coupe
I have owned 2 of these and both have had the 3rd gear grind issues. The one I still own I bought from the original owner and they told me it had the grinding issue from the dealer ship new.
Honestly where I live that thing would still go for $1500. Like u said replacing all those parts is cheap and easy. Just a bit time consuming. At least the body looked super clean in terms of rust. Maybe look at the previous Generation integra's as well.
Tires, brakes, rims, paint, things rattling and shaking shouldn't be too much of a concern for a car that is so old with high miles if this is going to be a project car IMO. The engine is the most important thing and that is still kicking.
Just think about the headache you got from the small problem with the tsp stage 1 tune. Now think of that x100 with every single repair on this thing. Better off going full send on the Si or getting the type R
Full send
I feel like you’d enjoy building a Miata. They’re not fast but I heard they’re fun
It looked like it needed a tune up. Spark plugs, and filters would probably make a quick difference. Offer $1500 and it will be a steal. Don't worry about the engine miles. Trust me.
Whenever you buy a beater like this you are going to need to do spark plugs, air filter, pads and rotors, and flush all the fluids with OEM stuff from the dealer. It isn't going to need a new engine anytime soon and little things like motor mounts and fixing the heat shield are not a big deal. The paint job is gonna cost you a few grand so that's the biggest thing to think about.
Run! It’s going to be a money pit. Just get the Type R and call it a day.
well thats no fun! not much of a journey past that point. I would love a Type R, but from a content creator's standpoint, theres much more I can do to the si
Wow, this makes me miss my old RSX Type-S 😭 I had a k20/k24 motor with bolt ons.
But honestly, seeing the car in that condition & that many miles? It’s not a good project car. I think you’ll end up putting more money into fixing the car than modifying it.
Keep it up though, love the videos!
To be honest don’t spent ur money on a project car..... with all that money that u hav to put on u could buy a type r lol just buy a type r trust me
Gonna need new valve cover gasket. Power steering pump. Vtec solenoid gasket. New ac compressor and lines. Probably new catalytic converter. New radiator. New struts. New knock sensor. New rear main seal. But hey they’re fun. 🤷🏻♂️ lol.
That’s how slow they feel stock form bro. Just get yourself a cold air intake, race header and a catback and I promise you it’s gonna feel different, then once you get all that if you wanna get a lil more power you can send your ecu to hondata and get a reflash. It’ll wake it up and make it so much more fun
I wouldnt buy it. Even for a project car, you will spend a lot of moneys on repairs to make it ride good. For me its a no go. That car needs a lot of love.
If it actually has the k20a2.... my buddy bought a type s and it didn’t have the OG engine it had the a3.... drive a 5th gen prelude....
Rsx type s are great cars i owned for a couple years and a 350z but the 350z had poor maintenance so too many problems. But I would buy another type s if I find a clean 06
Yes love the idea of a project car. maybe awd GSR or Type S maybe TL type s since you already got the 2 door civic but like below maybe if you can type r
I daily a 2002 TL Type S with 245,000 and still have good races with new WRXs and 350zs. Maintenance is key
Exhaust is fine it's a motor or trans mount, if it's a 5 speed it's a base, if 6 it's a type s, if it isn't swapped.
2:52 a good way to figure if type is is bin number type s usually have a 0 or 8 I think or check Manuel sheet
The Acura RSX Type S is definitely a good platform, I just raced one of them lol
I think I got lucky with my rsx I opted for the base auto so my fiance can drive it but it was one of the cleanest I'd seen in my area. 180000 miles but it's a honda so I'm not worried about miles. Just gotta maintain it properly
Have a base auto 03 myself, bought with 180k miles, now has 205k . Right when I got it I did the 100k mile service Acura would do, runs and drives great. The funniest part was when I pulled the cabin air filter out.....thing had a corroded hole in the center with a ton of junk, never seen a filter close to being that dirty😂😂.
@@Bullitt1768 that's dope. The only thing I gotta do immediately is my knock sensor because the engine throws the code for it here and there. CEL hasn't been conistantly on tho which is weird but I'm gonna do my mandatory maintenance on it anyways
the wheels are off a tsx and the best way to tell if its a true type s just go through all the gears and if it redlines at 9k then your good
I bought a 02 rsx manual for 1k lady didnt know shit how to negotiate lol so i got it for a steal and the car is stock and nice and clean
😂😂dam you scammed her
Great video. That car is faster than your civic. 0 to 60 in 6 seconds. Not with 3 people. I'm sure you are close to 200lbs. If you added K tuner that you need for bolts on and turbo. It will smoke the turbo cobalt. Now you going to the drag strip at nights.
My 2002 rsx has 269k on it and runs like a champ. Also have a 94 teggy with 267k on it xD. Just barely broken in!!!
Body work and paint isn’t cheap and even more time consuming depending on what needs to be done. Definitely find something with a clean body. These engines are not hard to pull. Days worth of work you can get one out and another back in easy.
a grand for a running type s.. gl with that
If you can snag it for cheap grab it the K20’s is a solid motor to work on and play with.
I have a 2003 Acura RSX Type S with rebuilt engine + a few mods, for sale. Sacramento CA. Clean engine. Clean interior.
why are u sellin it
@@lujr2225 I want a motorcycle 2021 Honda CB650R.
Hey, my name is Rudy and I live in Cali! I have a 2004 Acura rsx with 147,000. Its stock but as a project car it would for sure be worth looking at! Lemme know if you want me contact info and I can send pics. I can say I definitely keep my car very well maintained
hey man, is it the Type S?
Lol mine is on 250k, bolton and reflash, still pulls like a champ and hurting egos.
Wheels look from a 1st gen TSX
Bro if you wanna cheap affordable reliable project car! Get the 1st gen 2007 mazdaspeed 3’s haha look into the ms3’s man!
Mine has 252k and looks brand new also with new 70k motor. People think it like 80k on Body because I take care of it.
Tsx rims. Possible vtec controller? And he said headlights taking in water but meant tail lights. It's due to the gasket.
A focus svt would be pretty rad too. There’s not a lot of content on them
They are all thrashed at this point
Tool0GT92 that’s true. I’ve only seen one in mint condition and they’re asking $5500
Don’t expect to get a nice car for $1800🤷🏽♂️ especially a rsx.
I got an RSX Canadian base for $900 that only needed a rad and had no body damage except small ginds and bumper scuffs and light surface rust and ran great with 330,000kms (200,000miles).
also 1800 is a set of decent rims, and compared to most inflated prices for the type s like 6+ is way to expensive when we all know 9/10 of them have gotten all the sauce
Hey Cameron where’s your mask and gloves!!!😳 haha remember the 6 ft rule!😩
Just wanted to say that I tuned my car today :)
basepsi/sport23psi I also wanted to mention that after tuning, I noticed something strange with my base psi.
Normally floored I only see 14psi at the most.. well after tuning, I was hitting 17psi on the base. It is good knowing that the previous tunes for the 16-19's were simply ported over with small tweaks. No complaints, but I expected the stock power out of the car. Also, I need to know what the risk is with boost creeping under 3,000rpms. Iv'e heard that you heavily risk bending/breaking a rod. I like to boost creep to get a blow off every now and then... hints the base map for the non sport mode lol.
saying all of that, having the rev-hang removed was AMAZING! Sadly though, As soon as the tune was at 95% ... it fricken started RAINING..... :( so HOPEFULLY tomorrow/today when it stops, I can play around with it.
I never go over 4/5 psi under 3k rpm unless its an accident, which I try to catch immediately and let off the gas. These motors are actually really really good for a 1.5 and I think if we respect it, it will respect us back
@@Camhill182 yea I agree lol. Ive been taking care of it.
@@Camhill182 Any way I can directly message you? I give up on trying to find someone to talk to with another 2020. I've got some concerns about this 23psi tune.. . I may be experiencing some slippage.. seems to be happening at 3k-4k range ... and maybe im nuts but it seems to hold after that... so does it seem this way for you? I am around 11k miles ... no way I've thashed the clutch already. Id expect it to hold up better considering you're running the tsp stage 1 with no slip.
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As an rsx owner I would pass on this one $1800 is too much for it, it might be worth $800. The rattling might be a bad motor mount. By the looks of it, it has the k20a2. I would definitely hold out on this one and look at another one.
I wouldn’t buy it for sure. My buddy bought a mint type s for 2500 bone stock with 230k. 3k will get you a clean one with around 180k it you look enough. BTW, those are Acura TSX rims, and it’s definitely a Type S because the bases don’t have the bose sound system. that sub woofer gave it away. keep looking my man!
K series engine is probably the best engines Honda ever made... this is why im holding on my 2015 Si Coupe.
VTEC is really overated now these days... id rather have usable reliable linear power... than bragging my cars hits VTEC... then your only going 20mph
You should look at a 350z. Those in running condition with minor cosmetic issues can go for like 4-5k for a early model.
yea ive been told that a bunch of times but im really not a fan of them
Cameron Hill to each their own