Star Trek: Picard - What Went Wrong?
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“If Beyond and Discovery killed the franchise, then Picard resurrected its decaying corpse, bent it over a table and had its way with it using the teddy bear from my Doctor Who analogy” - Critical Drinker
Gotta love the Drinker. He made this sadness funny.
Beyond was an extremely underrated film. It had everything a 50th anniversary film needed and got absolutely zero promotion as such.
The BBC did a much better job at promoting the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who than CBS and Paramount.
@@RanMouri82 Yes. Love him. His review was spot on.
There’s a lot a fan can object to in “Beyond”, but its’ worst scenes are better than the best scenes of STD and STP. I enjoyed it, in part because I had very low expectations, and enjoyed the ways it felt like legit, (if mainstream),Trek. When you see “Final Frontier” in the theater as a kid, your expectations change a lot.. It’s Shakespeare compared to everything they’ve done since.
@@DavidNicholson101 movie was trash especially compared to the movie It was pretending to parody
I hate this show so much that I love listening to people who hate it too. It's like hate squared, or even cubed.
Quite rational…you hate people who are insulting you for no possible reason.
I agree. But, to be clear, it's not like I take joy in hating it. I so wish I could love it, and the excellence of The Orville demonstrates how possible it is to still get Star Trek right. It's one thing for it to not be quite "my thing"...the way Voyager isn't. It's that it's hard to watch something like Star Trek: Picard or Star Trek: Discovery without feeling depressed or my blood pressure going up. It's the frustration of feeling like they're not adding to the franchise but instead changing into something it's not.
@@RozarSmacco Has anyone here seen the 'Fall of Doctor Who'-Essay
from 'Jay Exci'?
And: Is there something like that but for Star Trek?
?
I hate it more than you.
Wanna bet?
DS9 was how to create darkness in Star Trek. Characters have deep developed backgrounds, the show is often dark, Characters die and yet the optimism of Star Trek is still present and there is hope.
Has anyone here seen the 'Fall of Doctor Who'-Essay
from 'Jay Exci'?
And: Is there something like that but for Star Trek?
?
DS9 was where the franchise should have ended. I never got into Voyager. Despite the somewhat promising premise, it just fell flat for me.
I couldn't agree more Whiteslann, so well said! DS9 gave the Star Trek universe darkness and grit without taking anything away from the hopefullness and optimism of the future of humankind. The Federation was a wonderful place and I watched DS9 and still had that same sense of escapism. Kurtzman Trek is absolute depressing garbage and it genuinely gives me a headache, it's hard to watch - both in it's bad writing and the horrible cinematography. I used to leave Star Trek feeling uplifted, Discovery and Picard (and that stupid cartoon) give me actual genuine migraines.
@@sird2333 I enjoyed Voyager... in hindsight. Compared to the drivel we have been fed since, Voyager is more like the original and in spirit with it than anything since.
I rewatched it instead of getting into the new stuff and I do not regret it.
Ds9 is what got me to enjoy star trek beyond the fondness of watching the original with my grandmother.
Honestly, Stewart could've had his grittier star trek if it took place in the Mirror Universe. Then all the trauma, the "federation" would make sense for being evil, and Picard would've had a reason to move beyond some darker past. We'd simultaneously get an entire show set in the always fascinating Mirror Universe, whilst also getting a darker and edgier trek at the same time, without trampling on the mainline trek themes.
At least that would've fit in their "Basically Copy-Paste Game of Thrones" schtick.
Maybe Star Trek Picard IS set in the Mirror Universe.
Mirror Universe Captain Picard sound very interesting.
It would still be crap and no one would watch it. I mean you can put lipstick on a pig but I doubt it would significantly increase the chance of anyone kissing it.
100% would have been better than what anything Trek has done since Kelvin Timeline
Unstoppable awfulness colliding with irreversible narcissism and galactic spanning fecklessness
that is the most perfect summation of "nutrek" thats ive yet read.
Clearly the people that created this show DO know what Strar Trek is all about, cause I don't think it's possible to screw every single of its essencial elements just by chance. The went straight for the jugular, so to speak.
Also, the parody section with Picard and Rafi was on point XD
You could be right... it is notable they seem to have pointedly ruined certain core parts of the setting, which would be 'lucky' (?) if just blasting into the dark and not knowing what had gone before.
Actual Trek = Post scarcity utopia. Everyone can have as much as anyone else.
Picard = Scarcity dystopia. Character's envy other character's possessions.
Actual Trek = Swearing regarded as unevolved and backward.
Picard = Fuck that noise! Fuck you, Picard!!
Actual Trek = Hopeful and thoughtful diplomacy saves the day.
Picard = The day won't be saved, everything is dark and violent and brutal.
Actual Trek = Humanity has moved beyond the need for narcotics and booze.
Picard = Everyone is hitting the pipe or the bottle first chance they get.
Actual Trek = The Federation is at its heart admirable and well intentioned.
Picard = Trust no one, especially the racist Federation.
Actual Trek = The Prime Directive was not to interfere with other species.
Picard = The Federation 'absolutely does get to choose which species live or die'.
I could go on... what a parody of a show.
Wokeism /Marxism is like that ....
@@rockheimr holy fuck dude I don't if it was intentional but everything mentioned in the Picard sections sound just like the leftist nutjobs on tik tok or twitter.
We can tell who this show was made for and by who.
The Sisko has spoken.
Well the article shows this. They basically admitted that this Star Trek was going to be completely different than the old Star Trek, and then they turned around and said that anyone that thinks it's different just "doesn't remember what Star Trek is about"
STD: "Watch me turn Star Trek into a botched millennial abortion of a disgusting mockery."
Picard: "Hold my earl grey"
Hey hey hey careful there, I'm a millenial and despise the new trek with all my heart.
I get kind of a laugh out of the fact that The Orville's audience score is almost the same as Picard's and Discovery's audience scores combined.
No new season though cuz whats-his-name is a douche and the sci-fi was getting hard
Orville actually does feel a lot closer to star trek then most modern trek
Ironically the "sheer fucking hubris" line perfectly sums up the problem. We have showrunners now with such arrogance and hubris that they think THEY alone know what the show is about, and the millions of other fans don't.
"Hubris made the Angels into Devils...and their obstinacy keeps them in hell" ~ From the Kuruvian Texts CY319 - Andromeda, Season 5, "One more Day's Light"
It's sad that they think the ability to swear and re-imagine Star Trek as a dumbed down Blade Runner is creativity for them. I find it depressing that the original series was a beacon of optimism during a dark time, and now with everything going on in the past couple of years, this is what they want to show us.
I believe you can't make a movie of TV show today without it being compromised to the point of perversion. Best thing to do is get back into books.
@@Vercingetorix421 Blade Runner was awesome, don`t compare this Crap with BR.
Yup, only pure hubris comes up with the idea to piss off and provoke a pre-sold audience. These people are just another cog in the burn-it-all-down machine.
@@Vercingetorix421 Kuntzman has never had an original idea. He steals everyone else's work.
LOL, more like what *didn't* go wrong. That series was a dumpster fire.
Totally agree
Can’t believe it got green lit for season 2 and 3. The same as Discovery being green lit for season 4. The best part of the show Saru and Georgio
@@Dancestar1981 Of course it got OKAY'd. It's primary purpose was yo disgrace another American legacy.
Enterprise was the last Star Trek.
I look forward to new Trek in the future.
The Bad Reboot stuff is irrelevant and will be forgotten.
@@Dancestar1981 - Please tell me that you’re joking? 3 seasons of this depressing rubbish?
I’m so glad there are people like you out there setting the record straight. The modern world is a bit depressing, we’ve lost the inspiration of Star Trek.
Member when Trek was an escape into a scifi future full of wonder and hope from our day to day...I member.
Yep.
Nowadays its really, really dark and gloomy.
But people tell you 'Grow up' if you dont like it,
despite it being so bad anyway.
Title: "Star Trek: Picard - What Went Wrong?"
Answer: This series exists. [DING!]
"Ah, I see you have the machine that goes 'ding!'. This is my favourite." ~ Monty Python's Flying Circus
I have not watched a single episode of Picard and from what I’ve seen and heard, I’m gonna keep it that way!
Yeah....
I pretty much 'knew' that it was going to wind up like this.
me too
I had hopes - but they evaporated soon, and what they did in episode 6 made me switch off and never going back to it - despite them bringing back Q.
If I do watch season 2, it’ll only be to watch Miles O’Brien become an alcoholic, beat Kieko to death in a bloody gruesome murder after he found out she had a 20 year affair with Dr Bashir. - And for you two in chat that haven’t watched an episode of Picard S1. TRUST ME when I say that what I just wrote IS A REAL POSSIBILITY after watching Picard S1...
@@Borgforce I didn't have any hopes for anything positive coming from it. Even the joy of seeing a reprised role gone bad, as Hollyweird has done in the past--such as James Garner in Maverick (1994)--Hollywood had already demonstrated not just 'bad' writing, but actively malicious and offensive intent in destroying beloved roles in the name of "social justice" or something.
No, I knew that they were going to absolutely destroy the character and the cannon as they did with ST:D (aptly named); especially when it was advertised as 'dark' and 'gritty'.
I kinda liked it tbh
I remember watching the first episode of Picard when it came out and when I heard the character say ‘dude’ I checked out. And then there were some karate kicks and I never watched past the first episode.
Seven’s lesbian fling at the end of the season made zero sense whatsoever.
I'm sorry, when did someone putting a comforting hand on another person's hand become a sudden love connection?
What a ridiculously shallow argument.
It changed from a science fiction show with characters and stories that us fans knew and loved to woke political properganda. From a utopian vision of what humanity could be and achieve to a dystopian nightmare of where we're at now. Modern Star Trek is dead, it's soul removed, just an empty husk of what was.
Yeah, Star Trek has gone from timeless stories to something repulsive that I will not subject myself to.
are you talking about Picard, DS9 or TNG?
@@Hiraghm If you think TNG was a dystopia... yikes.
*propaganda nothing "proper" about it, LOL.
You're absolutely right though. The franchise was always an optimistic look into our future where humanity, and other intelligent beings, set aside differences and came together to achieve something more. Presenting stories, situations, and characters in thought provoking, and intelligent ways. Although since its inception and Roddenberry being a lefty, the franchise showcased certain political biases, it was never overtly political and often left the audience to draw their own conclusions. This New Trek garbage is heavy handed in its political messages and incredibly dumbed down for the lowest common denominator. New Trek is completely soulless.
"Hey gyx, lets do Game of Thrones, lol! Tittes and gore, Squee!"
After seeing _Picard_ I was deeply saddened with the realization that Patrick Stewart either didn't understand the character, or outright hated him.
So grateful that Netflix is still streaming _The Next Generation._ It's like a warm, fuzzy blanket of thoughtful writing.
Depends. I will never watch _Next Generation_ again, but I wonder if that was what they wanted - To destroy any interest in the older _Trek_ series...
@Roosevelt Republicans of America Except he wasn't only known for Kirk. He had a reasonable career after _Star Trek_ ( _Barbary Coast, TJ Hooker, Boston Legal,_ numerous films, etc.). He did once get famously annoyed by some fans who took the show too seriously at a convention (re-enacted in _Galaxy Quest_ ), but that is a different thing. You might be thinking of Nimoy, who went so far as to write a book called _"I Am Not Spock"_ ( 20 years before writing _"I Am Spock"_ ).
90's Trek was leaps and bounds better than today. Even their mistakes and worst episodes were more acceptable
Stewart has never understood Picard or Star Trek. It was only every a job and a lot of money to him.
I stopped watching TNG because half the actors of woke. Patrick Stewart hired people to protest brexit. That's wrong on so many levels. The only Star Trek shows really worth watching again are DS9 and TOs
LOL your conversation between "JL" and Raffi was fucking hilarious.
Thing is, you can have a show that examines the "human condition" without being graphic or profane. GR wanted to state that while humanity has grown, the values that allowed humanity to grow could be challenged, using alien encounters as a stand-in for whatever subject that was being explored. The writers don't seem to understand this.
Its Woke now.
Much.
The other night, I watched a ST:TNG episode I hadn’t seen in a while, The Masterpiece Society. It was great. The Enterprise comes across a planet society with a problem, Picard makes some excellent speeches, the characters are faced with moral DECISIONS to make and ultimately, they all learn something about the human condition. It was everything Star Trek was envisioned to be. The opposite of this Picard flaming garbage.
I LOVE how this nutj0b literally says true stuff like
'Non-Fans and Idiots do not understand what Star Trek is and
always, always, always has been about'! BUT he gets wrong WHO the IDIOT is!
Thats mind-boogling 14-D-Chess!!! 14D!!!
Kurzman is a Legend-Level or even God-Level N-Job! He mastered
mental gymnastics most people dont even know about!
Flatearthers do NOT hold a Candle against him; we have to respect that!
C'mon, people, tweet him this Video's URL and/or
even my Comment's URL, if you'd be so nice! C'mon! Lets see what happens if
we try so.
Trash Trek
@@loturzelrestaurant Hes projecting, he does not know nor care.
Pissing off or provoking people is one hell of a business model.
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
Just ask Dan Slott.
It kinda works though because instead the traffic goes to supporting channels like these. So even though it's echo chamber material, it's worthwhile to shift your spending habits to alternate sources instead. Something that's respectful of your intelligence.
Stewart missed the point of the show that made him famous. Star Trek is NOT supposed to reflect reality; it's supposed to be a model of how we SHOULD be.
We want a Light-Hearted Star Trek that Solves Contraversy that Follows Roddenberry's Vision of a Brighter Future.
This is why I'm glad The Orville exists. I haven't seen Season 2 yet, but Season 1 really gave me those classic Star Trek vibes that have been missing from the modern series like Discovery and Picard.
Season 2 of the orville is better - you should watch it.
S.2 is insane. 3 is gonna be lit.
I was JUST about to comment something like this! Season 2 is just as great as season one and season 3 is on its way!
@@merbearlorelei Something I found refreshing about Season 1 was how they tackled episodes involving actual politics. Like the episode where Bortus reveals he's gay and will be having a child, which will need to have a sex change as per his culture's way. Or when they got stranded on a planet where people would give you a thumbs up or down depending on your personal views, and if your thumbs down got to a certain number you'd have your mind scrambled to "help" fit in with the rest of society. It's sad I have to say this since most shows love shoving this down your throat most of the time. Here though it was presented tastefully and pretty neutral.
And the funnyman does it more honestly that any of these fauxtreks.
I’ve lost complete respect for Stewart and everyone who went and quickly signed up to unravel the mythos of Star Trek. 🤮
i mean. theres a reason in the past actors rated only slightly above vagrants.
Money talks. And actors need work.
@@brendanroberts1310 Indeed!
@@brendanroberts1310 No, in this instance Stewart held all the cards. They needed him. He could have made the show in to what the fans wanted and simply refuse to do it otherwise, but he is a driving force behind the shitshow that it is. The younger actors and people we have never heard of can get a pass, they are trying to make their name and career, but Patrick Stewart is a piece of shit and a disgrace to the franchise that made him famous.
Indeed
Star Trek isn't The Expanse. If you try and make it that, you get Discovery and Picard.
Star Trek isn't Red Dwarf. If you try and make it that, you get Lower Decks.
Star Trek isn't Star Wars. If you try and make it that, you get the JJ Abrams movies.
Thank you for this. I agree with everything you've said here. I have friends who love Picard, and I just don't get it. This is not Star Trek. Neither is Discovery. How can you call something Star Trek when it ignores the most basic concepts of that world? Are people so jaded that they don't understand how off this show is? I'm tired of Paramount destroying this franchise.
The Orville is more like trek for me. Even that one good scene was kind of pathetic. There’s a “fixed” version of the scene with Riker that has the real ships show up. It’s a sad day when randos on UA-cam have more skill than the “real” franchise.
"The mandate was to make it a more psychological show, a character study about a man in his emeritus years... It'll be very different than Discovery. It'll be slower, more meditative." -Alex Kurtzman, the "architect behind Star Treks franchise resurgence"
A Picard character study might've been nice. Instead, they crapped out an endless apology for what was once a great character on a great show.
Blame also lies at the feet of Stewart himself, since he insisted he wouldn’t do the show unless Picard was very different. The show is a dumpster fire. What a shame..
What Alex Kurtzman has to say about Star Trek is unimportant, and we do not hear his words.
@@FernandoRodriguez-kl3oc TBH - and I am not defending Stewart here - but I wonder how much control he actually had over story and show direction. Not much, I wouldn't think.
I suspect he may have liked the woke direction taken, sure. But I cannot see the show's creators changing anything significant for anyone, even Stewart himself.
I suspect he came up with the whole 'I insisted it was different' line, to show he was on board with the show direction.
I may be wrong.
(This does make him complicit for sure, but I don't believe actors in fact get to control show direction.)
@@dramaticwords “The test of a man isn’t what you think he’ll do. It’s what he actually does.” ― Frank Herbert, Dune
'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…' this sums up Patrick Stewart
The moment the word ‘fuck’ was uttered we turned it off and never went back. I have nothing against the word ‘fuck’ but it didn’t feel like Star Trek after that. We will never go back.
I was at the Star Trek Day event yesterday for Paramount and…it was awful.
It was laughable when Patrick Steward says he doesn’t want to play a starship captain because he might get type cast. Sir, you are 80 years old!! There are no tomorrows for you. This is the end. You’re out of time. Your character is who he is in the TNG series. Duh.
LOLLLL!
That is hilarious!
Ironically he will now be typecast, as a loser who did his best to kill the golden goose.
I thought his best role was the turd in the Emoji Movie.
You don't understand how much he fought the show runners to change his character in the 90s. That's why there's a freaking die hard episode with Picard going around taking out terrorists.
That's the role that put him on the map. I've never heard of him before or since (short of X-Men, but then I always thought of his as Picard cameo). He should embrace it and shut up
Your final words are right in point! Star Trek endet with Nemesis. Full stop!
I’ve always put Michael Chabon up there as equal or even worse than Alex Kurtzman. Chabon has always been openly hostile to fans and quite vitriolic in his mocking of them as can be seen if one looks at other statements he’s made not mentioned in this video. From what I’ve heard, the latest batch of shows coming out no longer have him in a forefront role, but merely a background one.
Everything woke turns to shit.
How was this series woke exactly?
Where does one begin? With the intention to "humble Picard"? With writers who clearly know nothing about his character or science fiction? With the failure of Discovery and the desperate need to do something that gets ST fans watching again? With the decision to hand the franchise over to Alex Kurtzman? With Les Moonves cancelling Enterprise?
Don't blame the writers. Hollywood writers aren't independent entities, they do what they're told. Put the blame where it belongs - On the producers and Patrick Stewart, who clearly disliked Picard as much as Harrison Ford hated Han Solo...
@@_XR40_ Many producers are also writers. It's common to give a writer a producer credit as a way to pay them more (one reason the show had more producers than actors). As for Stewart, he's not a writer, but they really wanted his participation. My guess is they gave him a producer credit and pretended to listen to his ideas, in order to get him to sign on. But I doubt he actually had a lot of input. The whole Brexit idea of his played very little part in the series.
Isn't TNG Picard pretty humble, fair, and kind?
@@dramaticwords Well, I've seen interviews where he claims that many of the altered concepts are his idea, but I suppose he could have just been trying to make himself look "better". Still, I suspect you're cutting him too much slack because of past roles where he _didn't_ have much input - Because I also remember interviews from when TNG was actually running where he was complaining about the role...
@@aleksander8497 TNG Picard was humble, but not humbled. He had one of the healthiest egos in all TV. He was confident but not arrogant. Heroic and empathetic. Thoughtful and decisive. The Picard show went out of its way to humiliate the character, have everyone blame him for things that were not his fault, show him as a doddering old man who no one listens to. It had him barely able to pilot a ship. Made him dress up in a silly eyepatch and put on a French accent -- like something out of Monty Python. It transformed him into an android so he could feel what it's like to be oppressed -- as if he had been a bigot who needed a comeuppance -- completely ignoring how he fought for Data's rights and stood up for other oppressed people.
"Dark and edgy startrek"
DS9 exists.
I LOVE how this nutj0b literally says true stuff like
'Non-Fans and Idiots do not understand what Star Trek is and
always, always, always has been about'! BUT he gets wrong WHO the IDIOT is!
Thats mind-boogling 14-D-Chess!!! 14D!!!
Kurzman is a Legend-Level or even God-Level N-Job! He mastered
mental gymnastics most people dont even know about!
Flatearthers do NOT hold a Candle against him; we have to respect that!
C'mon, people, tweet him this Video's URL and/or
even my Comment's URL, if you'd be so nice! C'mon! Lets see what happens if
we try so.
It's the same trend happening in all these franchises. The creative classes, especially in the arts, have been taken over by a particular type of person. This person despises the rational gentile.
You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie, as wisdom and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today...
Too bad that man wasn't in that show.
sadly the modern left used those words as a textbook, not a warning.
It's to late to be free now. We gave up to much and now were cheering them on while we get chained....
@@thurin84 "Nothing makes them happy. They are dedicated to being unhappy and spreading that unhappiness wherever they go...they are the Ambassadors of Unhappy." - Dr. Bashir ~ Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, "The Forsaken"
Except mankind has had slavery for the entire existence of the species. Even in the year 1800 20% of people lived in some form of bondage. Among Indian tribes, in the Ottoman Empire, among African tribes, India - even Chinese Buddhist monks had slaves. And the sky didn't fall down. (All the way until Whites developed moral arguments against slavery and forced every other people to give them up, often at gunpoint, like in Africa.) Maybe the world DOESN'T rest on platitudes?
Dave, your Picard impression is on point, u should really consider doing a parody series w voiceover, that would be funny as hell.
Yes, his Picard was really good! I also was very impressed!
Yes,
but he's still 'too nice'... about it...
...
...
I 100% agree with you, Dave. Hopefully, STD and STP will be de-canonized in the future. But I'm afraid that Kurtzman and his hacks will do a lot more damage until then.
Your Patrick Stewart impression is bang on.
How good would it have been to see a real star trek Picard show. Written by the TNG writers. Even with a young Picard played by Tom Hardy in season 2.
Go on. ..
Tom Hardy is only three years younger than Patrick Stewart was when TNG started.
I wasn’t aware of the article Chabon did. Yeah he accomplished his goal of pissing fans off. I’m one of them. The best parts of the series is where they reminded me of what Star Trek was with the Nepenthe episode and the finale with Data. I’ve watched the series 3 times through including the original air date, and I can say it’s a mess absolutely, the Icheb scene serves no purpose other than to enrage fandom and break their hearts; of course narratively give 7 a motivation. It felt like Picard throwing that French accent as they get ready to beam down in disguise, was making fun of fans.
Of course at the end, Picard gets put into a Golem, what a perfect metaphor for Star Trek under Secret Hideout. Star Trek dies as we knew it in 2005, only to be downloaded into a puppet built by people who call it Star Trek but have no idea what that means. But hey; it’s called Star Trek you should like it. It’s a lifestyle brand!
BTW, speaking of cussing, this reminds me of the Star Trek movie were they went back in time to get a humpback whale...lol they did the cussing right because they were so out of touch with how to cuss.
I bring it up because that was the right way to make characters in Star Trek cuss. And the way they cuss in Picard is the wrong way.
I love the fact that we were evolved past all that stuff (part to Gene’s vision and the other to it being a tv show). Then in just 30 years off screen humanity some how brought it all back - Swearing, smoking, drug abuse, jealousy, bigotry... but thanks paramount, without this utter rubbish I wouldn’t have given The Orville a chance!
That episode with Icheb was the last time I watched Picard. Don’t think I’ll be watching S2, even if it does have Q in it.
"Star Trek dies as we knew it in 2005, only to be downloaded into a puppet built by people who call it Star Trek but have no idea what that means!"
^ This!
"Picard gets put into a Golem", ignoring the obvious "because it's a Patrick Stewart vehicle" aspect, if you're going to put someone's consciousness into a new body (for ANY reason) why the hell would you put it in an OLD man body? (haven't watched any Picard, so if it's not in PS's body, then nevermind)
In my head canon, the Star Trek franchise still ended with Star Trek: Nemesis. It's true that the TNG films weren't great and already showed signs of abandoning what we love about Star Trek in favor of more action-oriented stories, but at their heart they were still Star Trek, even if they were unfortunate missteps. Abrams-trek and the Kurtzman shows don't even resemble Star Trek on a superficial level. There's nothing in common with Star Trek here.
For me it ends at insurrection
Thanks Dave, that Picard and Rafi dialog was absolutely amazing. Man if only your version was the show. I can’t wait for the 3rd season of The Orville.
Acted far more intelligent than it was.
That Dunkirk speech is one of my most hated pieces of TV ever made.
Dunkirk speech?
@@tcaudiobooks737 Picard very awkwardly brings up dunkirk in an interview in the 1st episode iirc and it's very clearly only included because a new movie about the event was rather recent, not because it made sense in the context of the story or world.
@@utarefson9 Especially as in context The Hungnam evacuation would be a much better example.
But Stewart being a British socialist doesn't know history or more likely likes to ignore it when his side is shown in a bad light.
@@gimzod76 He's a socialist now? "His side"?
.... Come on, I know you like being indoctrinated but let reality into your life, just a bit.
It's incredibile how a random Person pops in and Just says "forget old Trek, this Is the new One because i decided so"
I LOVE how this nutj0b literally says true stuff like
'Non-Fans and Idiots do not understand what Star Trek is and
always, always, always has been about'! BUT he gets wrong WHO the IDIOT is!
Thats mind-boogling 14-D-Chess!!! 14D!!!
Kurzman is a Legend-Level or even God-Level N-Job! He mastered
mental gymnastics most people dont even know about!
Flatearthers do NOT hold a Candle against him; we have to respect that!
C'mon, people, tweet him this Video's URL and/or
even my Comment's URL, if you'd be so nice! C'mon! Lets see what happens if
we try so.
You forgot Patrick Stewart specifically stating in an interview that the show was going to be a reaction to "Trump's America" and Brexit. Pretty much stating from the get-go that this show was going to be pushing a political narrative over all else. I don't mind a political message, as long as it is done artfully, woven into the story so that the intent comes across organically. Patrick Stewart's statement told me this show would have all the subtlety of a club over the head. Pass.
Man,
i could be in the mood-for-summarizing and just say 'Everything.
Everything went wrong.',
but ok,
let me add this:
Episode 8, Minute 0:00-5:00 was exactly the Point where i cringed so hard
that i realized just how bad this new Show was... Space-Witches IN SPACE
was the Final Straw,
but i still went through and made it to the very-short-but-very-cringey Moment
where Seven finds out she was Lesbian all along (cause of Quota...).
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Patrick Stewart owes almost the entirety ofnhos financial success to TNG, yet he consistently acts as if he is above it and the fans. He's a douche.
I don't know what's worse out of all this. The fact that these shows have effectively trampled and laid ruin to a great franchise in the standard visual medium, or what they've done to material like STO. I can't even get on that game anymore myself or watch people stream it because it is replete with Discovery/Picard aesthetic ships and equipment, much of it pay-to-win and overpowered compared to anything from the TOS-ENT era. No more fan service or revisitation of material from the older, decent shows and films. It's all Jar Jar Abrams and Klutzman, all the time. Probably one of the most ridiculous and egregious examples has been how you can go and play the Delta Quadrant episodes and see Seven act a bit more developed from the events of Voyager...but then do one of the newer episodes with her in it, and see her "re-imagined" and ridiculous version from Picard. It just lands like a ton of bricks and is total cringe. They couldn't even do the mission arc with the Excalbians (Savage Curtain aliens) without transplanting Nu Seven and that irritating Space Sasha (Burnham) and her asinine time traveling mom into it. Then of course they also laid waste to the Klingons as seen in the game. It's a real shame.
One of my favorite aspects of Trek is that it would often handle complex issues with grace, and it would often make a case for both sides and leave the viewer to decide, even if it leaned one way or the other.
It's so weird how open they are about the propoganda.
Imagine if he said that the show was about how good Trump is, the Twitter mob would've lose thier minds.
Yes. Yes. 100x Yes. This review/examination is spot on. You vocalized very well most of the major issues I have with Star Trek: Picard, everything from the dark premise, depressing tone, and meaningless deaths of recurring characters to the over-use of violence, gore, murder, suicide, profanity, alcohol, and throwing up.
About the only thing I disagreed with was the aliens with Earth accents. I can totally deal with a Romulan who has an English or Irish accent if they get everything else right. You didn't get into the nitpick territory like the giant space flowers, the contradiction of Romulan philosophies about cybernetics (they supposedly hate & avoid cybernetic study, but they're also heading up the ex-Borg project???), Raffi's out-of-place attitude about 24th/25th century economic statuses, etc. But, you articulated very well the really big issues with the show.
And, you stayed away from the common "wokeness" complaint, a complaint I don't share with most critics of Picard or Discovery, because diversity on the new shows is something I'm actually okay with. It's...just about everything else...that's wrong with Trek's new direction.
Diversity? Bring it on, but make the characters likable. Darker storylines? Sure, sprinkle them in like DS9 did, but let there be some hope & optimism mixed in too. Take Trek in some new directions? Of course, but don't make it feel so different -- and don't so *intentionally* tick off part of the fanbase -- that a show or the franchise as a whole seems almost unrecognizable.
What went wrong ? The first mistake was letting Stewart have so much influence, each subsequent bad idea compounded that initial bad idea until the show got lost in a maze of nonsensical writing, poor acting, shitty sfx until it collapsed under the weight of all those egos.
But it's Alex Klutzman so what did we expect ? At least Clarice was cancelled so he can't mess up Hannibal Lechter.
Yeah, I think Stewart being so influential has a lot to do with people thinking that he’s just as intelligent and witty as Picard. As can be seen across a lot of real-life shit he’s done, Patrick Stewart is anything but; The man got BTFO’d by James Corden at Corden’s own roast, ffs!
No Stewart = No Show.
@@dlewis9760 no show = no ruination of a classic character.
Honestly the thing that annoyed me most in Picard was the very tired and reused plot of "Synths rebel, kill the synths"... I'm not sure if it was because I was playing through Mass Effect Legendary Edition by the time I finally bit the bullet and watched this but ooft the parallels were stark and lame...
Omitting multiplayer (which was where 95% of my hours in ME3 went into) from Legendary was wrong. ME2>ME1>ME3. Had multiplayer been included, 3 would've ranked second instead of last. What a travesty.
@@soldierforchrist631 off topic much?
@@alexashton6501 No.
I’m Captain Jean Luc Picard, and this is my favorite store on Deep space 9.
Brilliant review. Summed it up perfectly why this is not Star Trek.
Ok your ending little back and forth was hilarious!
The season 2 trailer was the biggest heap of shite I've seen in some time!
So what was wrong with Star Trek: Picard? *EVERYTHING!*
Your recap of the whole first season while doing all the voices was hysterical!
Keep it up!😂👍
There is something so wrong about hearing someone swear in Star Trek. Even when they go back in time the people of the past don't really swear. Aside from Star Trek IV I can't think of characters swearing in a Star Trek property.
Well, there was the iconic scene from movie #8: First Contact in which Lily called out Picard on his growing obsession with slaughtering the Borg. The terms "sonuvabitch" and "bullshit" are both used. Both of which were more justified than the obligatory R-Rated four letter words in Picard.
"He wanted to piss off and provoke people" Mission Accomplished
That was great, Dave. Dumping on Kurtzman Trek never tires. Looking forward to your horror and disappointment in season 2.
LOVE your Picard impression, Dave. Cracks me up every time
Remember when Kirk and co went back in time, and they had to explain to Spock that humans USED to use "colorful language" since they didn't do that anymore?
At least the JJ films had the decency to be an alternate timeline. Like the Mirror Universe.
This looks nothing like any of the STs my dad used to eatch when I was growing up. I remember thinking "Oh hey, Picard is going to play Professor X! Perfect choice!" Now I'm just sad. They turned these loving father type figures into junkies down the street who can't stop fighting all night.
Man,
i could be in the mood-for-summarizing and just say 'Everything.
Everything went wrong.',
but ok,
let me add this:
Episode 8, Minute 0:00-5:00 was exactly the Point where i cringed so hard
that i realized just how bad this new Show was... Space-Witches IN SPACE
was the Final Straw,
but i still went through and made it to the very-short-but-very-cringey Moment
where Seven finds out she was Lesbian all along (cause of Quota...).
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I got to the bit where she called him JL and I turned it off !
Well done! I applaud and envy you, sincerely.
Thanks for bringing back the bit about Raffi, J.L., and the Meryl Streep lookalike. Too funny!
I'm currently watching Star Trek TNG and it is a nice pace of change in terms of writing. I haven't watched any star trek series before and the writing is just brilliant in how it tackles problems by conversing and debating. Its so cool to see a series just confront head on with reason and not have to have an ultimatum to either kill or spare lives. The new stuff definitely didn't attract me at all lol
Good for you! TNG and DS9 were amazing shows. They were the REAL Star Trek.
as a kid the chill and a bit campy format is star trek is what i loved the most.
i couldn't watch discovery and it just felt like a battle star galactica clone to me.
sad to see a brand throw away their identity
Dave, your dialogue around the 9minute mark here was awesome. Especially the homage to First Contact, and then the clip from that same scene! Your work was so much better than those of Picard, thank you for bringing a smile to my face!
I'm also with you on the one positive moment, with Riker in acting command of a ship. Though, I didn't really like the Nick Offerman look he was sporting earlier in the show.
Yeah I wish I could cut that to send to my mates. Flipping brilliant! 🤣
@@benjamindrayton1380 I LOVE how this nutj0b literally says true stuff like
'Non-Fans and Idiots do not understand what Star Trek is and
always, always, always has been about'! BUT he gets wrong WHO the IDIOT is!
Thats mind-boogling 14-D-Chess!!! 14D!!!
Kurzman is a Legend-Level or even God-Level N-Job! He mastered
mental gymnastics most people dont even know about!
Flatearthers do NOT hold a Candle against him; we have to respect that!
C'mon, people, tweet him this Video's URL and/or
even my Comment's URL, if you'd be so nice! C'mon! Lets see what happens if
we try so.
Got you beat: One word - Stewart! 😸
Great Work, DC
The first time they gave Stewart creative input, Picard went from being a stoic intellectual to driving space buggy's & singing showtunes.
I would have to disagree with "They were freely allowed to create"
No they weren't. Rodenberry was very strict about how stories were created.
And the writers always complained that it was too difficult to write stories that way.
And it's probably why we have to garbage star trek we have today, on top of the political narratives.
Indeed. TNG reached its stride when Gene left the picture in the third season due to his failing health. The writers kept his core ideals (for the most part), but finally had breathing room.
"If I die, I hope they download my mind into a body that is as old and weak and wrinkled as the one I left, instead of the younger me."
Best part of Star Trek Picard. Watch this android rip though Neutronium like tissue paper. 10 Mins later similar android is knocked out by a single punch from a human.
Yeah. Picard wouldn't want to be in an artificial body that could live forever or have superhuman strength. That's not what he would've wanted. They gave him a very human body, without the current failings of his original one.
The fact you can't see through the haze of hatred you and others have placed over yourselves just shows that "fandom" doesn't mean intelligence, understanding or coherence in what they watch.
You nailed every feeling I had watching this show. ty
The NOOO! Noooooooo! Timing was perfect dude
Star Dreck: The Next Degeneration
Season 1 was a complete cluster... and i wont watch any more of this mixture of Woke Politics and bad Storytelling that ignores all canon.
This was tough to watch. I can only imagine watching the show.
My hat's off to you man for taking one for the team.
Thanks for making this video! ! !
I've been a Trek fan since before most of the people working on this show were probably born and I can tell you in my humble opinion that every Trek incarnation since JJ got his hands on the franchise has been straight hot garbage.
The first and third JJ Abrams movies were pretty good. I liked the way that the first one followed the Hero’s Journey model that made Star Wars successful, and the third one felt more like a Star Trek film than any other in recent memory.
Man,
i could be in the mood-for-summarizing and just say 'Everything.
Everything went wrong.',
but ok,
let me add this:
Episode 8, Minute 0:00-5:00 was exactly the Point where i cringed so hard
that i realized just how bad this new Show was... Space-Witches IN SPACE
was the Final Straw,
but i still went through and made it to the very-short-but-very-cringey Moment
where Seven finds out she was Lesbian all along (cause of Quota...).
...
...
@@anthonydavis5826 i thought the first and second were good. The last one was a hot mess. Though NONE were Star Trek. It's Star Wars in Trek drag.
@@edwardslicker6126 star trek into darkness was the worst of the three at the very least star trek beyond had the tiniest spark of "what are we gonna find?"(see the captain's log scene) that i think was one of the things that encapsulated star trek
and then of course it devolved into more action shit and "bad guy of the week" nonsense
@@adamschizo I would counter that blowing up the Enterprise because you dont have a story was worse. And that motorcycle scene... Oy Vey!
How many times had this guy saved the world or the known universe and Starfleet treated him like dog poo on their shoe. Wtf.
I've taken Chabon's advice and totally ignored Picard and Kurtzman "star trek". To paraphrase Picard from the episode Tapestry, "I'd rather have picard's onscreen time die with nemesis, than watch the picard I just saw"
Summed up perfectly! Very good impersonations btw!
DS9 was dark but in a way that completely worked. It examined aspects without burning them down.
That show mostly took place in a space station with some outer space adventure. But overall, was just fantastic.
That was because DS9 had Rick Berman and Michael Piller still attached to it and they knew how to write & produce GOOD Star Trek...
DS9 for me; was the definitive ST. Every character was interesting and flawed; and watching them interact with each other is engaging (Odo/Quark, Sisko/DuKat, Worf/Everyone😄). Sisko was my favorite Captain; I really enjoyed the focus on him as a single father; as well as he was flawed in his own right.
Star Trek was a way to escape our depressing reality to enter a world of wonders and discovery.
But not anymore. New Trek is just a big ball of _woke_ depression.
I LOVE how this nutj0b literally says true stuff like
'Non-Fans and Idiots do not understand what Star Trek is and
always, always, always has been about'! BUT he gets wrong WHO the IDIOT is!
Thats mind-boogling 14-D-Chess!!! 14D!!!
Kurzman is a Legend-Level or even God-Level N-Job! He mastered
mental gymnastics most people dont even know about!
Flatearthers do NOT hold a Candle against him; we have to respect that!
C'mon, people, tweet him this Video's URL and/or
even my Comment's URL, if you'd be so nice! C'mon! Lets see what happens if
we try so.
Omg your voice overs between raphie and Picard made me guffaw. Brilliant.
Remember how people used to argue whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain? Remember when it used to be a competition?
I started watching Star Trek TNG a few years ago precisely to escape the doom, gloom, horror and violence of most modern shows. Game of Thrones is an example of a show that could have been great to watch but the sickening gratuitous violence instead made it traumatic and unwatchable for many. They need to either leave Star Trek in peace or continue it in line with its original ethos of peace, positivity, hope, problem solving, collaboration and creativity.
I tried watching that on a plane back on like 2014. Couldn't. Too much pornography.
Thought I'd give the books a try. Came across a passage of one the characters describing the baby batter as he (or she) had relations with their twin.... Nope I'm done.
@@sbeaber Has anyone here seen the 'Fall of Doctor Who'-Essay
from 'Jay Exci'?
And: Is there something like that but for Star Trek?
?
I can't agree. Outside season 8 and a few episodes in season 5, GoT was remarkable not just because it showed violence well, but had great characters and writing to back it up.
Granted, so did Star Trek TNG, but people turned off by GoT because of violence sound like the same people that hate pulp fiction but like bigbangtheory and friends where your entire scope of thinking is limited to a 4th or 5th grade relative IQ.
@@beloved-child @beloved child What an odd comment. You're like those critics who love any film or TV show as long as it's full of disturbing violent scenes, but despise anything uplifting and positive. You're equating enjoying watching violence to maturity. I'd say the opposite is true. The world is violent enough, anyone who doesn't wish to see more of that on a screen is wise and most likely values a deep sense of peace and well-being.
@@katec9893 your wording shows everyone reading you can't separate character, depth, plot, or anything on film I'd it simply has violence in it, which means you hate tons of great cinema simply because it portrays violence. Dismissing GoT simply because of violence shows your bias, and thankfully, most film lovers and film makers strongly disagree with you. GoT episode 3-3 and 4-6 are great examples of low to no violence episodes that are excellent due to characters and writing.
If most movie goers we're like you, pulp fiction would be considered a bad film, saving private Ryan? Crap. Scarface? Bad. Cuz violence.
You criticize me for loving cinema that does violence well, but I watch tons of stuff without violence and am fine with it. You can't even give great cinema a chance because you can't get over your dislike for something that is simply a part of reality. Good luck enjoying so little with such a closed mindset.
Love how Chabon says "anti-SJW" as if that's a bad thing. I think HE didn't get the memo on reality. SJW anything is, of course, pure poison.
Well said!
A parasite never sees itself as the problem - it's those that try to fight against it that are the problem.
It means your politics is about being angry at euphemisms.
Reality and your politics have nothing in common. He also talks about Star Trek meant to be about a utopian society.
@@AShockToTheSystem You almost sound self aware.
If you guys didn't have SJW's, you'd have nothing.
The world exists outside of your bubble buddy.
@@absurdist5134 Lol I am sure you do believe that nonesnes. if we didn't have SJWs, the world would be wonderful. Enjoy your delusions.
Bravo your description of Next Generations optimistic view and its direct opposite in the new "shows" is right on.
We just did a podcast focusing on TNG and had Stuart Foley from Trekyards on with us. He said that 90's Trek was it's "golden era" and I agree, especially compared to the current productions.
From what we've seen of Season 2 7 of 9 was never a Borg so 100% human now which means Picard could be 100% human again, kinda defeats all the writing but that's very much like Discovery where they forget or ignore the past season
Something that really bothered me and made me angry was hearing about the episode Jonathan Frakes directed. Apparently, the writing was so bad and the portrayal of some characters so counterintuitive, that he left the set in tears.
Bastards. They even broke Jonathan Frakes' heart. What nonsense!!
“Two takes” was all they got out of him before he walked off the set.
Explains why Riker is written with far more respect and dignity than Picard: Frakes likely told the producers to fuck off when they tried the same shit.
Everything. Thanks for asking
I whole heartedly agree with everything youve said. I loved the character of Picard in TNG but this character to me in this new show is not Picard. Everything about this show is wrong. Star Trek was about hope. The way the characters even speak really threw me off as they shouldn't be using f-bombs and its too present day in its use. I've only seen a few episodes of Picard and I'm sorry to say that I won't be watching any more.
I'm so glad to have skipped this series. It's been renewed for a third season. Can you believe it's got a 7.5/10 rating. Society has truly gone to hell.
Sang-Chi's IMDB rating is 8/10 so....
Ratings are like polls of today. Fake. Many years ago there was a scandal involving fake movie reviewers (IIRC) giving good reviews to movies that don't deserve it. I rarely look at these ratings and instead rely on social media comments and independent reviewers to get a general picture.
@@ivanfreely6366 Good advice.
Has the second season even started yet? Why are they taking a page from Lucas Film's handbook and announcing another season when the current one isn't over yet?
@@r0bw00d Likely the renewal announcement is used to hype/promote the show/network in hope of acquiring more subscribers/viewers.
Star trek DS9 is my favorite!
FYI: Michael Chabon's father died during production of Star Trek. That's why Picard is so bleak, dark, and violent. Michael took out his grief and misery on Star Trek Picard's writing. While I don't wish anyone to suffer, I think taking out his grief on Star Trek Picard was a terrible thing to do.
Right on all points. The tragedy of how bad this show is, is compounded by the fact that it proves Patrick Stewart had never really been paying attention to the story, the whole time he was portraying that character. Turns out Stewart never understood Star Trek, he just read his lines.