So instead of having the two different weapons incur different cooldown times, the cooldown is just sped up while you're in repeater cannon mode? How did nobody think that would be abusable?
For the first part of the video you don't have to time the switch from repeater cannon to phase bomb. If you *double tap and then hold W* after a bomb shot it will cycle the modes in the quickest way possible. Doing it this way makes the trick a lot easier.
From what I can ascertain, by switching to the cannon it checks the elapsed time since last shot with the RoF of said attack mode (which is very short) and sets an internal variable "CanNowAttack" to true, then you switch back to phase bomb mode and shoot a bomb instead! It's interesting, but still an exploit!
Considering that my internet speed is not instant, the performance of my computer is not very good and I don't have a superman reaction, I think this video for me is the comparison of pro and non-pro. In pro play, one small advantage can determine life or death so that it's a very useful tip. As a non-pro player, at least I learnt how Finex aa works. A very good tutorial, thank you very much.
It looks like there isn't 2 separate cooldowns, but a single basic attack cooldown, and the game is keeping track of the percentage of how far you were into the cooldown rather than the actual time waited out.
Ah, so that's why all the pros pick this talent. After trying this and the one that empowers your basic attack after you move, the second one looked clearly superior to me and I didn't understand why everyone was picking the first one. Still, it looks like a design flaw to me and I don't think it was intended to work that way.
One thing about Arsenal Synergy is that it won't help against non-heroic targets as the other level 1 talents. Therefore, if you expect to use Fenix for camps and lane clear (QM?), maybe the other options are better...
Always! there always are and will be talents better to QM games, like lunara healing, for ex. Not useful talents, but sometimes can work and be super helpful
Mobile Offense also only applies to heroes, so only the q quest will help with pve in any way, but the q quest is a significant loss of dps in fights compared to either of the other talents, and arsenal synergy is still going to be better wave clear as long as you have an opponent in lane to make use of it on. So you'd be trading teamfight dps and wave clear for slightly better camp clear, it's not really worth it given that you clear camps fine anyway.
So are you just right clicking on the target? So you ever use the A + left click? I’m new to the game and finding it really weird so I feel I’m doing something wrong with the physical input
MrXaoras That is no depth. It's just abusive use of not correctly set game mechanic parameters ( 2 * Weapon Mode cooldown < AA cooldown but resets it). Additional button pressing in a set order to get the "normal" effect is just design failure if intended.
I don't know specific words, but basically they're aware of this, and they're not against it at the moment. Maybe they'll change it after enough pro games
Lmao I can't believe this came out the same day I bought Fenix and complained about not having enough APM heroes in the game. I practiced for like 5 minutes and it feels so smooth already.
What a badly designed mechanic... basally you have to spamclick and button spam to get like 25% more DPS. Like I get that there ha to be some "skill" to use a character to its maximum potential but this is just dumb.
Spam clicking will actually just reduce your DPS, as your Phase Bombs will not fire; the timing for this trick is somewhat specific so it requires focus. It's like Tracer's reload talent on steroids.
It eats up your apm which is the point. Try spam clicking it forever and see how well you do. And you still need to cancel the repeater cannon. And it's just a dps increase. It's not something frustrating to play against like bunker AA. It just separates bad players from good players.
'The title says "How to abuse weapon mode". It never states anywhere that it is easy. I don't see the click bait here.' The title actually starts with: Increase your Fenix DPS with two easy tricks! Of course, you can see it as easy to explain rather than perform, either way its valuable to know about.
After testing it.. You literally have to spam W, getting the rhythm down isn't so bad but the physical act of spamming the key.. I don't think carpal tunnel is something you should actively work towards so Ill give this "easy trick" a miss. Knowing how to get more out of Arsenal Synergy by swapping as late as comfortable is a good tip though, and much less spammy. I wonder how Arsenal Synergy compares to Advanced Targeting in dps difference if your not going to be carpal tunnel your way to victory though.
Cool guide but some parts are so heavily edited its disruptive, why not just do several takes instead of having to cut after every word when editing :P
I didn't notice much of a problem, or at least, I could follow what he was demonstrating and what the intent of the video was. But if you want to help him get better videos, explain more what it is your talking about, use an example with time code. The way you stated it he would have to watch the video and try to see the problem on his own, since he didn't the first time around he probably won't notice anything the second one either. Constructive criticism is always good, but you gotta be specific or it might drift over into the realm of non-constructive criticism.
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Carpal tunnel syndrome vs 25% DPS.
exactly my thought +1
So instead of having the two different weapons incur different cooldown times, the cooldown is just sped up while you're in repeater cannon mode? How did nobody think that would be abusable?
For the first part of the video you don't have to time the switch from repeater cannon to phase bomb. If you *double tap and then hold W* after a bomb shot it will cycle the modes in the quickest way possible. Doing it this way makes the trick a lot easier.
What do you mean by double tap
From what I can ascertain, by switching to the cannon it checks the elapsed time since last shot with the RoF of said attack mode (which is very short) and sets an internal variable "CanNowAttack" to true, then you switch back to phase bomb mode and shoot a bomb instead! It's interesting, but still an exploit!
Considering that my internet speed is not instant, the performance of my computer is not very good and I don't have a superman reaction, I think this video for me is the comparison of pro and non-pro. In pro play, one small advantage can determine life or death so that it's a very useful tip. As a non-pro player, at least I learnt how Finex aa works. A very good tutorial, thank you very much.
So theoretically, using this method I can get one phase bomb per second and if I choose Arsenal Synergy, every 4th attack will do more damage.
1st tip: Pretty sure the developers did not intend this to be part of Fenix mechanic. Hope they fix it. 2nd tip. Looks legit. Thanks for sharing.
Very instructive and useful video, thank you!
I tried this, and my fingers have muscles now...
Cool! You're on a professional team? That's awesome. I love hearing pro's talk about the game because you know crazy things like this :) Pls more :)
It looks like there isn't 2 separate cooldowns, but a single basic attack cooldown, and the game is keeping track of the percentage of how far you were into the cooldown rather than the actual time waited out.
Ah, so that's why all the pros pick this talent.
After trying this and the one that empowers your basic attack after you move, the second one looked clearly superior to me and I didn't understand why everyone was picking the first one.
Still, it looks like a design flaw to me and I don't think it was intended to work that way.
for you what is better Mobile Offense or this? for more dps
One thing about Arsenal Synergy is that it won't help against non-heroic targets as the other level 1 talents. Therefore, if you expect to use Fenix for camps and lane clear (QM?), maybe the other options are better...
Always! there always are and will be talents better to QM games, like lunara healing, for ex. Not useful talents, but sometimes can work and be super helpful
Mobile Offense also only applies to heroes, so only the q quest will help with pve in any way, but the q quest is a significant loss of dps in fights compared to either of the other talents, and arsenal synergy is still going to be better wave clear as long as you have an opponent in lane to make use of it on. So you'd be trading teamfight dps and wave clear for slightly better camp clear, it's not really worth it given that you clear camps fine anyway.
So are you just right clicking on the target? So you ever use the A + left click? I’m new to the game and finding it really weird so I feel I’m doing something wrong with the physical input
Now i need to play all day fenix, tx psalm! always best guides!
This is too good, thanks, Psalm :D
Amazing guide
That looks so tiring I dont want to play Fenix anymore
My ping is around 85 ms and I don't feel it works in game, only in try mode
Useful thank u
Last time someone post this kind of video, they end up in blizzjail. Be careful lol
I call this not bug using, but abuse of design failure. Hope blizzard changes this fast
Well, they already said they're fine with it
Dmitry S. Really? Where did they say that? I'm super curious
why would they change it? it adds depth to the character and takes away nothing
MrXaoras That is no depth. It's just abusive use of not correctly set game mechanic parameters ( 2 * Weapon Mode cooldown < AA cooldown but resets it). Additional button pressing in a set order to get the "normal" effect is just design failure if intended.
I don't know specific words, but basically they're aware of this, and they're not against it at the moment. Maybe they'll change it after enough pro games
Probably it will be easier with Razer Synapse macros for W clicking
mate i thought the same but id be very VERY careful with using MACROS in blizzard games *diablo 3 ban wave cough*
Cheers
This is just exploiting a design flaw by button spamming. Hopefully it gets fixed.
they have confirmed this was intended
@@HimariHimatsu where?
The title of this video is kind of funny out of context
RIP psalm
Lmao I can't believe this came out the same day I bought Fenix and complained about not having enough APM heroes in the game. I practiced for like 5 minutes and it feels so smooth already.
Fenix is already broken as fuck when it comes to damage against heroes and siege, this isnt even a mechanic, its a disgusting bug
What a badly designed mechanic... basally you have to spamclick and button spam to get like 25% more DPS. Like I get that there ha to be some "skill" to use a character to its maximum potential but this is just dumb.
Spam clicking will actually just reduce your DPS, as your Phase Bombs will not fire; the timing for this trick is somewhat specific so it requires focus. It's like Tracer's reload talent on steroids.
Its not supposed to be a mechanic, in fact its pretty obvious this thing is a horrible bug
He says in the video it can be done by simply mashing.
obviously a glitch and definitely will get fixed
It eats up your apm which is the point. Try spam clicking it forever and see how well you do. And you still need to cancel the repeater cannon. And it's just a dps increase. It's not something frustrating to play against like bunker AA. It just separates bad players from good players.
Does this still work?
yes
@@HimariHimatsu how about now
nvm just checked after doing the double tap trick to consistently get the bomb out. still works
what the hell are those sounds
When you pick Arsenal Synergy, after hitting a hero 3 times with Repeater Cannon there's a sound to inform you that your Phase Bomb bonus is ready.
It's not a timer; it's a signal that sounds according to your attacks.
looks like a gpu stress test ;p
Looks like its fixed
reported for bug abuse lol
That don't seem easy at all...
I believe he is using the common click bait title for adds for the luls since I agree with you, this isn't that easy
The title says "How to abuse weapon mode". It never states anywhere that it is easy. I don't see the click bait here.
'The title says "How to abuse weapon mode". It never states anywhere that it is easy. I don't see the click bait here.'
The title actually starts with: Increase your Fenix DPS with two easy tricks!
Of course, you can see it as easy to explain rather than perform, either way its valuable to know about.
Forest Jean-Francois you gotta learn how to read pal...
After testing it.. You literally have to spam W, getting the rhythm down isn't so bad but the physical act of spamming the key.. I don't think carpal tunnel is something you should actively work towards so Ill give this "easy trick" a miss.
Knowing how to get more out of Arsenal Synergy by swapping as late as comfortable is a good tip though, and much less spammy.
I wonder how Arsenal Synergy compares to Advanced Targeting in dps difference if your not going to be carpal tunnel your way to victory though.
Cool guide but some parts are so heavily edited its disruptive, why not just do several takes instead of having to cut after every word when editing :P
I didn't notice much of a problem, or at least, I could follow what he was demonstrating and what the intent of the video was.
But if you want to help him get better videos, explain more what it is your talking about, use an example with time code. The way you stated it he would have to watch the video and try to see the problem on his own, since he didn't the first time around he probably won't notice anything the second one either.
Constructive criticism is always good, but you gotta be specific or it might drift over into the realm of non-constructive criticism.