Answering Atheists: Slavery and the Bible - 119 Ministries
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- The concept of slavery evokes powerful image of people being abused, beaten, living inhumanely, and even worse. Yet we see in Scripture where slavery seems to be permitted by our loving Creator. How can this be? Join us as we look into what it meant to be a slave, biblically.
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Thank you for this very thorough lesson on what slavery was really like in the Bible. Well done. Praise God!
for god so love the world he allowed 2000 years of slavery.
@@rahel5622
No, He washed feet like a slave, like a slave he owned nothing, and died the death of a rebel slave.
He proclaimed that the mourners, the poor spirit, the meek, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, the merciful, the peacemakers, would be fulfilled, inherit the earth, blessed, see God.
And for this, God called Him My Beloved Son.
If you want to use people as slaves, if you take pleasure in torture and place money over life, go ahead.
But to be Christian, is to know that the world is judged and not forgotten.
Leviticus 25:44-46 Says it's okay to own foreign slaves forever and to inherit their kids.I don't know if he purposely skipped this verse or not,but next time keep reading
I love the Bible and 119 to me is not preaching but only assist me to study GODS word. I do not belong to any religion.
Are the parts where the Bible condones slavery among your favorites?
@@korbendallas5318 the parts where atheists advocate eugenics should be their favorites.
@@rafaelmarques3487 Parts of what? You are making no sense.
I'm pretty sure that I can name a Christian advocating eugenics for every atheist you can name. But that does that have to do with the Biblical support of slavery?
Answer: Nothing. You just want to distract from the truth.
Rafael Marques my favorite part is where it says to beat your slaves with a metal rod as long as they don’t die your fine
Thanks for your works, their are so Many who are in slave, specially those who are not yet reading the bible. They are slavery on the other side of this world the darkest part of it. The bible tells all the truth. God bless you..
Leviticus 25:44-46
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
bible says "slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones" LMAO oh yeah your god really has our best intrests LOLOLOL
@@godtroll749 ........Tough Love!
Slaves behave and you won't need to be disciplined!
Why certain Christians go out of their way to either excuse or condemn, what the Bible, Christ, and the Apostles never refute or condemn as being either wrong, sinful, or 'deplorable' is really quite astounding.
"18 You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect.
Do what they tell you-not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.
19 For God is pleased with you when you do what you know is right and patiently endure unfair treatment.
20 Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong.
But if you suffer for doing good and endure it patiently, God is pleased with you.
21 For God called you to do good, even if it means suffering, just as Christ suffered for you.
He is your example, and you must follow in his steps."
1 Peter 2:18-21 (NLT)
AMEN!
Wrong
27.25 servant is his money. Obviously if the servant is recovering from his injuries the master is not getting benefit from his labour.
It appears there were two types of slavery, contract slavery where the master pays of the debt and it is worked off or a thief works of his debt and another where they obtain captives through war or buying and these are property. Hebrews were slaves to other nations as well 2 Kings 5.2-3.
Property is not private property. Possession also does not automatically mean full control ownership. Possession vs ownership. Not the same at all. Private property is a western concept not the eastern mindset. Ask any Native American right? The tribe was on the land and used it. Same with lev25. God said go in and take the land as a possession. They don’t own the land and they don’t own these Gentiles either. Many stipulations and laws over the land. They were kicked off the how many times? Brought back only for God’s name sake alone nothing to do with them. Bumper crop on the seventh? Too bad let it fall. Someone owes you debt on the 49th year? Too bad release it. Yeah, this wasn’t ownership not private property. It’s like you finance a car..you drive off the lot, yes it’s your property but by possession alone. The bank owns the thing and can REpossess it if delinquent. Possession is nine tenths of the law. That’s saying the one in possession is not automatically the owner.
And plus...the Christian knows how incompatible it is that God is the slave master and the Redeemer at the same time. It doesn’t work. Debt debt debt all throughout scripture. Christ paid the price for all in bondage.. debt bondage.. and set them free physically and spiritually. God in lev25 is buying the slave to set free Deut 29.10-15.
We knows when we defend about those who are on slaves, like those who follow God, we are leading to death. for me its ok but you can live with God forever. Dont follow those who are continued doing Not good. Their are some people till now who are doing it. Those who did bad rituals I knew it. And its all in the bible. God bless..
Please explain.... are not these children born in to slavery?
4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
my boy, I have the example of my nation (Brazil) it is better that the child is the woman stays with the aristocrat
let me explain:
There were many cases where the slave master (from Brazil) used to tell a slave to have relations with me and you will be my wife (lie)
What happened later was that (if she got pregnant) she was splendid from the field and left in the middle of nowhere with her son to take care
Furthermore:
if the comrade's partner has a child with you it will be better than the possibility of the comrade leaving in freedom (he would probably kill his wife or son if he stayed)
against his will of the slave
furthermore if the child is raised Hebrew, would the 6 year term also be valid for him?
@@rafaelmarques3487 you think any slave owner took the time to ask themselves that same question?
If the bond servant was covenanted..Hebrew or covenanted Gentile (Deut 29.10-15) then they simply worked off their 6 years and let with a full grant to start anew. The wife worked her six years off (Jer34&deut15.12) and she left the same way...with full grant.
You have to understand, they were literally on loan FROM GOD to whomever. If covenanted, they were God’s servants and available for edification for six years...just as the land. Read Jeremiah 34 for what happened to the Hebrews when they failed to keep that direct command by God. The pressure was on the Hebrews..no oppression of a slave. The Hebrews were commanded to treat all humanity as equals....rich or bond servant poor...or else! It was God’s name at stake, as it says.
If you truly disagree with this teaching then prove that the ministry is wrong not just typing incoherent words and phrases....which I have not seen yet in the comments....according to a lot of people English is the first and oldest language which is far far far from beingtrue....Give biblical proof not made man speculation
I did, see my previous comments.
God thinks that slavery is moral. I don't.
@@korbendallas5318 Whats the problem with slavery? And to stop you before you say it, being somebodies property; all it literally means is that you were bought with a price and is now in the possesion of the buyer.
@@007dog1 It's evidence for the moral depravity put forth in the Bible that you even think of asking that question. Stand back, take a breath, and ask yourself if that is truly the position you want to defend.
Frankly, the gentiles were considered outside the covenant and separate from God. The Israelites had the birthright promise which meant they could rule over the gentiles. God used the gentiles for punishment if Israel left the covenant but when inside the covenant God gave victory to Israel. Ephesians ch2 11 to 13 explains the gentiles relationship to the covenant people both physical and spiritual
So that makes it moral?
@@korbendallas5318 you are a pest here is not it?
@@rafaelmarques3487 I understand that it can be hard to accept the truth.
BS.
The intent is: God buys the slave...to turn them loose. You have to buy them first, or it’s an illegal transaction, illegitimate. God’s the Hero here. Lev25.44-46 God buys the captive through His covenant partner the Hebrews. Deut 29.10-15 is God setting them free.
And before you claim to know better..remember it is Christ that paid the price for all in bondage.. debt bondage..and set them all free, physically and spiritually. God or Christ was given to the Gentiles, the world...not to the Jews. Through the Jews. The Gentiles in bondage are the intent! Lol
You need to understand the title friend. The book is called COVENANT or marriage partnership with God. It’s a marriage proposal. God is offering us covenant partnership and covenant blessings etc, authority etc as Himself. Your wife has the exact authority and blessings and rights as you do..because it’s a covenant partnership you are in.
Ephesians says...Jesus led captivity captive. God buys the slave ( already enslaved by the devil)...to set them utterly free. His yoke is easy, His burden light.
Eph4.7 & Matt 11.30
@@9432515 The bible says that slaves can be inherited by your children - why would that make sense if they are meant to be set free?
Great work overall, but kinda weak on lev25.44-46 & Ex21.21...the typical go-to verses antitheists cling to.
Lev25.44-46 does not say OWN or denote ownership. Property is not private property and not possession full control. You finance a car... it’s your property but by possession only. The bank owns the thing and can REpossess it if delinquent. Possession is nine tenths of the law...meaning the one in possession is not automatically the owner.
God said go in and take the land as a possession. They don’t own the land and they don’t own these Gentiles. Property is a western concept...not the eastern mindset at all. Ask any Native American...you do not own the land, full control legal right. The tribes are on it and use it only, very limited control. The Bible bet is an eastern book!
Psalm2.8 coincides with lev25.44-46 as it does all the other passages going after the heathen and Gentiles like Isaiah 54. It’s NOT ownership and control God is after but freedom. Christ paid the price for all in bondage.. debt bondage.. and set them free physically and spiritually. God in lev25 is buying the slave to set free Deut 29.10-15. He’s the Hero here. Christ given to the world IS God given to the Gentiles. It’s always been the intent.
Indentured servants were bought, sold, traded and inherited too. That’s just the fact of history as these were skilled labor. It just makes sense. You MAY buy Hebrews in Ex.21.2 is indentured..so when it says you MAY buy Gentiles in lev25 and CAN bequeath permanently is does not automatically have to be full controlled slavery. If it’s debt debt debt then it’s voluntary choice and indentured servitude as well. God is not the slave master and the Redeemer at the same time. That’s ridiculous.
Ex21.21
Exo 21:21 - Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
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That colon (:) means two independent clauses separated for explanation purposes. The one on the left is explained by the one on the right...no punishment = no monetary fines.
Back up two verses to find out what the ‘no punishment’ is referring to. Ex21.18&19 deal with the non servant assaulted by an apostate Hebrew. The Hebrew has to pay all medical, room and board, and any lost wages til thoroughly healed it says. Verses 20&21 deal with the servant this time. The apostate Hebrew assaulting a servant has ‘no punishment’ no monetary fines...because he’s already paying all medical, room and board, and any lost wages are his. He’s his money it says, investment. Kjv. Exodus 21 is referencing the avenging laws...death for death or blemish for blemish and everything in between it says, lev24.17-22. And yes...it says any human is protected by these laws. Lev19.34 confirms the Gentile bond servant is definitely included. Pay back in equal...PLUS they are redeemed of all debt and sent home. There’s no license to beat anyone.
And they wait two days to eliminate capital offense. It’s exactly as we do today...wait til they recover IF they recover to impose severity of assault. Corporal punishment ie the avenging laws lev24.17-22
A lot of text defending slavery.
@Jesus is with me Leviticus 25 "From them you may buy slaves. [...] You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life."
Stop defending slavery.
@@korbendallas5318 It's not really defending slavery is it? Its excepting that slavery happened under the Old Covenant whether we like it or not. One thing that people refuse to understand is that we are under the New Covenant not the Old Covenant, which was explicitly for the nation of Israel yet that’s were people keep running to in order to reject God. Secondly, Jesus Christ today is our pattern of conduct for all mankind who came to earth at a time when slavery was prominent and yet He never used war as a way of means to get His message across, never had a captive, never traded a captive, never sold a captive and “came to set the captives free” (Luke 4:18).
Jesus Christ taught mankind to love one another and to love our neighbours as we love ourselves (Matthew 22:37-39); (Mark 12:30-31). Now, as a neighbour would I want to be taken as a slave? No. If I don’t want to be a slave should I take a slave? No. If I was a slave, I’d want to be set free so if I own a slave, what do I do? I set them free! So, Christ teaches a maxim that leads to the abolishment of slavery. So, even when Christians do bad things there is a distinction between what people do and what their religion teaches. The difference is, Christ is our example of morality for today; the pattern of conduct for all mankind. There are many Christians not walking in light of Jesus.
We see that the teachings of Christ had affected the apostle Paul who wrote a letter to Philemon (Philemon 1:8-18). There was a man named Philemon who had converted to Christianity at some point upon hearing the preaching of the Apostle Paul. Philemon some time down the road had a slave named, Onesimus. Onesimus had stolen some merchandise in order to run away and sustain himself. He makes it to the city of Rome and somehow manages to meet the Apostle Paul who is locked up in a prison that allows visitors. Paul tells him, look your not going to be on the run your whole life, you can't sustain yourself so we’ll deal with this. So, Paul sends Onesimus back to Philemon, who highly respects Paul, with a letter appealing to Philemon on the basis of love. Paul explains that while he was in chains, he now sees Onesimus as if he were his own son and tells Philemon that whatever he owes you put that on me and when I’m out I’ll repay you Onesimus’ debt that he can’t pay. Don’t see him as your run away slave but see him as if he were me; as if he was the Apostle Paul himself.
Your disgust for God's decision to permit slavery under the Old Covenant doesn't negate the existence of God. You understandably dislike something God has chosen to allow at one point in time and you can't comprehend why God would do such a thing. But because you think God is bad and your only frame of reference is your experience in the limited temporal finite creation you couldn't possibly see how God can and does sometimes use the work of the enemy in our lives to bring about His purpose, to accomplish His will and to get our attention. There's many things I don't fully comprehend but I don't claim to have Him figured out.
@@megan1445 "From them you may buy slaves." - It's explicitly allowing it, and has rules regulating it.
We can also assume that murder and coveting happened whether we like it or not. Why are they simply forbidden, while slavery is not?
The New Testament never prohibits slavery. Paul asks slaves to be obedient "in sincerity of heart", and asks slave owners *not* to free their slaves but to treat them fairly. This is simply a factual error: The only fair treatment a slave master can offer a slave is his immediate liberation. Nothing else will do.
My disgust for slavery is not about the existence of God, but about the rules attributed to him. Almost unversally, these rules are thought to be the best moral law possible, slavery included. Imagine I would propose an identical set of rules, with only one change: Slavery would be prohibited. Why would the Bible's rule set (allowing slavery) be better?
So I asked two questions: 1) Why is slavery regulated, when murder is not? 2) Why would the prohibition of slavery not be an improvement of Biblical rules? I'm awaiting your response.
@@megan1445 One more question: What do you think happened to the little girls commanded into slavery by God in Numbers 31:18?
The milatary is not slavery. You volunteer to join the milatary and are paid. Slaves you buy Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may (buy) male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also(buy) from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly. Exodus 21:16 ESV “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death. Where does it say slave in that verse. Exodus 21:20-21 ESV “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money/property..
Genesis 9:24 So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger grandson had done to him. 25 Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” 26 And he said: “Blessed be the Lord, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant. 27 May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”
Genesis 10:6 The sons of Ham were Cush [Ethiopia, Sub-Saharan Africa], Mizraim [Egypt, North Africa], Put [Lybia, North Africa], and Canaan [Palestine, Lebanon, parts of western Syria, and parts of western Jordan, West Asia].
1 John 4:6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
People just want a reason to not believe the bible. Thats it.
Believe has nothing to do with it. There could be overwhelming evidence for every detail of the Bible, that wouldn't affect the moral abyss of condoning slavery.
@@korbendallas5318 So why would a person sell themselves into slavery? Since the only slaves you could have was P.O.W's and those that were bought.
@@007dog1 What does that have to do with belief?
@@korbendallas5318 Because you believe that the bible condoning slavery is a moral problem because you are going into that as if God isnt all knowing and all good and doesnt know what He's doing.
So im basically trying to ask you, what is wrong with slavery? And would people sell themselves into slavery in the first place?
@@korbendallas5318 also taking into count that the only slaves they could have was the ones they had to buy. Besides the P.O.W's.
There were different rules regarding Hebrew and foreign slaves. You only pick the cherries from the rules regarding Hebrew slaves, and by omission imply that they do cover all slaves. You are deceiving your audience.
So if a "gentile" slave was to get beaten or mistreated, what would happen if they fought back or ran away?
He states in the video that many of the protections on Hebrew slaves were not applied to foreign slaves.
@@ronmercer9052 He first explains that "slave" is a bad translation ofr hebrew slaves, then he uses it anyway to blur the line between Hebrew and foreign slave. As I said, cherry picking and implications.
@@ronmercer9052 Well then He must be God
Next, lies about Atheism. Isn't bearing false witness a sin? Is there no end to your depravity?
I agree this bigot is talking about Atheists, what dues he know about atheist. I'm not an atheist but respect their logically structured views. This speaker seems ignoramous, selling Christianity, a true trait of Americans. Christ redeemed them, then they colonized the world through this convoluted Bible. Ignoramous at best
It's really simple: If you talk about slavery, and use rules specifically meant for Hebrew slaves, you are deceiving your audience.
Shame on you.
What are you talkin about? Sounds like to me you've never really read the Bible
Does it now? Which part is unclear to you? Are there different rules for Hebrew and foreign slaves or not?
@@korbendallas5318 What rules would apply to a foreigner that was poor and entered in to a contract with a Hebrew employer and decided then they didn't want to feed the chickens or go get water anymore and took whatever payment they already received and just walked off the job and left the Hebrew employer?
@BK: Relevance?
The point is that the Bible lists one set of rules for Hebrew slaves, and another set of rules for non-Hebrew slaves. If you argue against the Bible's position on slavery in general, and only mention the much friendler rules for Hebrew slaves, you are deceiving your audience.
I don't understand your argument as the creators of this video clearly stated that there was a difference and gave much more detail than you have in any statement. You are actually relying in information they gave to critique them.