Thanks, this was new history for me. In Finland, the bag is called an onion bag or a bread bag. Never as an officer's bag, because Finns have always, in principle, hated commanders and orders from above.
Given Finland's military history, I'd say the attitude towards Commander's seems to work, and is somewhat similar to the US. While the Musette was originally intended for British officers, US Officers adopted it, and US enlisted men purchased them, especially to carry personal items for the trip home, which is how they came to see widespread use in the 1920s & 30s. Thanks for watching!
The mussette bag, America's first carry on lugage/bag. I hate when idiots say it's a purse. I have a reproduction map case that I carry my tablet in when I travel. I have used it for maps but I don't really need it as such. Morans still call it a purse. By the way I do like the camer's images.
Its a European messenger bag. :) The camera blows me away. I bought it for different reasons, but I've pretty much determined that its going to be my studio camera from now on.
I LIKE the vintage photos you have been including! When I was in Scouting, I had a frameless haversack for my back. It was not comfortable. Somehow, I liked the 'idea' and 'romance' of a musette bag...but it shifted weight to one hip and that didn't work so well. I suppose I could have changed it from one shoulder to another. I note that the WPG musette lacks the proper straps for attachment to a Sam Browne rig. I kind of like that idea for keeping weight off my shoulders.
The WPG musette is actually set up for the original late 19th century Sam Browne rig that attaches to the belt and sward scabbard. One can counter balance a full musette (or haversack) by carrying water on the opposite hip. Its not perfect, but works.
"I'm not going to use the name...". That got a chuckle out of me. Great delivery and timing. Easily the most offensive (for some) but also most appropriately descriptive name for such headwear. I remember using the term when describing In-and-Out Burger employee uniforms to an out-of-stater visitor and just got The Look. I guess the moniker has somewhat fallen out of the vernacular. Great video. The addition of the bellows gusset truly was a game changer. The geometry of the bag allows more stuff to be carried more comfortably with less risk. Again, great video.
One of the great things about not saying things that only some people know, is that only some people know---- Yah, I should have mentioned the "less risk" aspect. Narrower at the top means less likely for everything falling out if dropped while the flap open. Thanks for watching!
👍 I continue to like the image provided by your new camera more than the one from your previous cameras. Interesting overview of the Musette bag. Upon your suggestion in the previous “poopie-head” video I purchased one from WPG. The jury is still out. I like the versatility of the Musette, but it seems to be a bit bulky to me. I cinch my Haversack (and canteen) up around my rib cage so they are not bouncing around when I move - difficult to do with a “modern” backpack though. I don’t dislike the Musette bag, I just have not decided between the Haversack or Musette. I agree, two different designs and we should acknowledge the difference in the words we use. We wouldn’t after all call a Chevy a Ford.
I've got my musette's shoulder strap set so that the top of the bag is slightly above waistbelt level and shifted slightly to the rear, just behind my sheath knife. That seems to help. I'm not as worried by the bulkiness as its usually on the same side as the hiking pole I use. Knowing what things were called during the period of study helps in research. You may notice that at times I'll call the musette a haversack. I'm not a stickler about it as a term of usage, but when looking for info in period publications, the right name for something could mean the difference in finding what you're looking for or not.
If you watch the first episode(maybe the second) of Band of Brothers, there is a scene on a British tarmac ahead of 506th Parachute Infantry, E Company paradropping into Normandy where Joe Toye is listing out all of the things he has to carry with him on the jump. He clearly lists "Musette Bag." It is also mentioned a couple of other times by Captain Dick Winters as the paratroopers are gathering on the ground. For some people to pretend that a Musette Bag is not a commonly known item is ahistorical.
The musette used in WW2 is an adaptation of the most common one encountered by Doughboys in France during WW1, the one I carry is a copy of that musette. The Army adopted the design in the early 1920's with the leather bottom but soon went to all canvas construction. The musette used by the paratroopers in WW2 is the same as used by motorized infantry troops and is the 1932 design. Thanks for watching!
I'm a bit confused between the haversack and musette bag. The U.S. military had the M-1928 Haversack which wasn't a bag or sack at all, but an assembly of flaps and straps to secure your gear on your back. A few years later the Army came out with the M-1936 Musette Bag and the Marines came out with the M-1941 Haversack, both look much like your haversack or musette bag. My question to you would be, "what would you call the M-1928 Haversack? Anyway, I just found your channel today a couple hours ago and thoroughly enjoy it and look forward to watching your videos. I guess the algorithm triggered your channel into my feed from watching some hobo survival videos on WayPoint Survival channel.
The M28 pack system is a minor improvement over the 1910 pack system. Prior to the release of the 1910 pack system, common terminology separated Load Bearing Equipment into two broad categories: Haversacks and Packs. In the most basic terms, a Haversack is what you carry your food and personal cooking equipment in, and a pack is where you carried your sleep/shelter system (shelter tent and wool blanket). The 1910 system was the first time both systems were put together in basically the same package. The top half is the Haversack, the bottom half is the Pack (tent, poncho, and blanket rolled together). The system is set up so that the pack can be detached to allow for freer movement during combat. A Musette bag is a type of Haversack. Yah, you're going to see my stuff when watching James' stuff, and you will likely see others by Honorable Outfitters and perhaps 20th Century Adventures. We're all loosely connected in genre and subject. Each of us gives a bit of a different look at Early 20th Century Camping, what is beginning to be called "Classic Camping" and we're being looked at from folks in the Bushcraft/Survival, Living History, Early Automobile Collectors, and Modern Backpacking Community. I call it "Going Camping 100 Years Ago", others have said that its "Bushcraft back when Bushcraft was called Camping." Thanks for watching! Check out my Playlists, I group the videos into subject categories including making your own Early 20th Century Camping Gear, the History of Camping Gear, and Classic Camping Living History.
The camera is an OSMO Pocket 3, and I am blown away by it. I originally got it for use in the field and the "product showcase" feature as I do a lot of close ups of small objects in the cabin, but I've found out that as a studio camera it is superior to the one I have been using, which cost me $400 more. I've determined that its going to be the permanent studio camera rather than just a close up camera. The old camera had trouble with autofocus in low light, but this one has a low light setting which not only does a better job at auto focus but allows me to light the cabin the way I want it---lit like a cabin instead of a TV studio. I love the way it brings out the colors of the stuff in the background, yet gives them a slightly out of focus "cinematic" look while focusing clear on the Star Of The Show. Its got a gimbal with features for face follow and other kinds of tracking and panoramic shots as well as slow motion and a dozen or so other features that I have yet to learn. But its the perfect companion to the flying camera and I should be able to shoot some trail sequences that will look like I've got a 4 man crew with me.
Its from What Price Glory, which does have a good selection of stuff that can be used in the field for Classic Camping and Bushcraft. Unfortunately, he's out of the Officer's Musettes right now (they sell out fast). He's good about re-stocking and send out notifications, though. At $45, you can't find a better one. www.whatpriceglory.com/default.asp
I agree. I never expected it to be better than the camera I've been using. I bought it for using in the field, not the studio. Its a pleasant surprise. Thanks for watching!
Personally I got a Duluth100 double shell purse green I treated it with refined linseed oil a little bit better because it's meant for oil painting . I also use it on my axe head and knife wood handle,s. I like your bag . But not enough to buy me one😅
I like my bag, and you like yours. That's how the world is supposed to work. We have a saying in backpacking: Hike Your Own Hike." Linseed oil is a good choice for your purpose, personally I don't waterproof load bearing gear, preferring instead to put contents into waterproof bags. HYOH!
To me, a Haversack is what you use the bag for. My Haversack was a Czech Army Gas Mask Bag, $9.00 from Colmans Surplus, very vintage look. Now it is a Haversack. Tomato, Tomauhto.
I agree. But part of what this channel is about is giving Living Historians and others pathways for research of the history of camping gear. Knowing the terms in use at the time helps in that pursuit. But I've called my musette a haversack in other videos, and you'll catch me doing it in this one and probably ones I haven't made yet because, yah, that's what I'm using it for. Thanks for watching!
@@sargevining Great channel. I am old school, 66 years old and only use old gear, mostly military surplus. You even got my favorite outdoors era, 1900-1940's. I enjoy this channel because other channels just repeat other content creators. For example; everyone has the same name brand saw, knife, canteen, haversack, and very little food, and very little water.in theyre Haversack or in theyre pack. To each his own, but I am more economical, minimal and functional. A good tarp, swagroll, Wool Blanket, food and a few bits is all I need. Too many busgcraft channels have the most modern gidgets & gadgets. When I camp, I bring more water and actual food to prepare. No ramen, processed package meals etc. The most processed I go is Pemican I make or some canned food. I dont use a backpack, I carry a Swagroll like they did in Austrailia back in the 1900's-1940's. I think you could do a great video on old school swag camping. Looking forward to the next video.
@@BrahT-dh4qn You've hit on a couple of things that I decided to do when I started this project. First, I have a rule (that I sometimes bend) that I don't do videos on subjects that you can find a hundred other videos on. Second is the tendency of modern Bushcrafters to focus on skills using modern equipment rather than on the equipment the "Bushcraft pioneers" would have used---I wanted to get away from that so I could better understand how and why those guys did things the way that they did. I've done a couple videos, none in the field, on the American version of swagroll: horshoe roll with haversack. I had originally intended on doing this current trip that way but Life intervened and I had to re-think my sleep/shelter arrangements. Stay tuned for the next couple of videos and you'll find out why.
Wikipedia tells me he was a British dude who was a General in the Indian Army. He lost an arm in combat and needed something to stabilize his sword and scabbard. So, I guess there's no real utility to it if you have both of your arms, it just looks cool.
UA-cam analytics does show that the audience is 95% male and 67% over 55. I'm OK with that. The audience I'm working for is one that's interested in the subject and likes to see me talk about it, regardless of demographics. I did briefly consider doing shorts on Instagram and other platforms more youth oriented, but research done by others showed that by doing that you're attracting people with relatively short attention spans who will only watch a few minutes of your long form videos and that makes the algorithm think your videos suck. The one metric that I do pay attention to is watch time, and my average there continues to go up, which tells me that I'm serving the audience I'm looking for well. IOW, I'm happier knowing that the people who DO watch are interested in the subject and like what they see.
@@carltuckerson7718 That's a function of the low-light setting. The old camera had a hard time with autofocus unless things were brightly lit. There are times in the older videos where you can see that. But I'm in a cabin, daggit, it shouldn't be lit like a TV set. This camera allows me to dial down the light and get things down to "cabin lighting" level. I've got a light that has a setting for "candlelight" and "campfire". I'm dying to use that light and the low light setting to create a "sitting in front of the fireplace" effect.
You have been using that bag since 2014, WOW, it held up nicely! By the way your camera likes good!
Thanks, this was new history for me. In Finland, the bag is called an onion bag or a bread bag. Never as an officer's bag, because Finns have always, in principle, hated commanders and orders from above.
Given Finland's military history, I'd say the attitude towards Commander's seems to work, and is somewhat similar to the US. While the Musette was originally intended for British officers, US Officers adopted it, and US enlisted men purchased them, especially to carry personal items for the trip home, which is how they came to see widespread use in the 1920s & 30s. Thanks for watching!
The mussette bag, America's first carry on lugage/bag. I hate when idiots say it's a purse. I have a reproduction map case that I carry my tablet in when I travel. I have used it for maps but I don't really need it as such. Morans still call it a purse. By the way I do like the camer's images.
Its a European messenger bag. :)
The camera blows me away. I bought it for different reasons, but I've pretty much determined that its going to be my studio camera from now on.
I LIKE the vintage photos you have been including! When I was in Scouting, I had a frameless haversack for my back. It was not comfortable. Somehow, I liked the 'idea' and 'romance' of a musette bag...but it shifted weight to one hip and that didn't work so well. I suppose I could have changed it from one shoulder to another. I note that the WPG musette lacks the proper straps for attachment to a Sam Browne rig. I kind of like that idea for keeping weight off my shoulders.
The WPG musette is actually set up for the original late 19th century Sam Browne rig that attaches to the belt and sward scabbard. One can counter balance a full musette (or haversack) by carrying water on the opposite hip. Its not perfect, but works.
"I'm not going to use the name...".
That got a chuckle out of me. Great delivery and timing.
Easily the most offensive (for some) but also most appropriately descriptive name for such headwear.
I remember using the term when describing In-and-Out Burger employee uniforms to an out-of-stater visitor and just got The Look.
I guess the moniker has somewhat fallen out of the vernacular.
Great video. The addition of the bellows gusset truly was a game changer. The geometry of the bag allows more stuff to be carried more comfortably with less risk.
Again, great video.
One of the great things about not saying things that only some people know, is that only some people know----
Yah, I should have mentioned the "less risk" aspect. Narrower at the top means less likely for everything falling out if dropped while the flap open.
Thanks for watching!
👍 I continue to like the image provided by your new camera more than the one from your previous cameras.
Interesting overview of the Musette bag. Upon your suggestion in the previous “poopie-head” video I purchased one from WPG. The jury is still out.
I like the versatility of the Musette, but it seems to be a bit bulky to me. I cinch my Haversack (and canteen) up around my rib cage so they are not bouncing around when I move - difficult to do with a “modern” backpack though.
I don’t dislike the Musette bag, I just have not decided between the Haversack or Musette.
I agree, two different designs and we should acknowledge the difference in the words we use. We wouldn’t after all call a Chevy a Ford.
I've got my musette's shoulder strap set so that the top of the bag is slightly above waistbelt level and shifted slightly to the rear, just behind my sheath knife. That seems to help. I'm not as worried by the bulkiness as its usually on the same side as the hiking pole I use.
Knowing what things were called during the period of study helps in research. You may notice that at times I'll call the musette a haversack. I'm not a stickler about it as a term of usage, but when looking for info in period publications, the right name for something could mean the difference in finding what you're looking for or not.
If you watch the first episode(maybe the second) of Band of Brothers, there is a scene on a British tarmac ahead of 506th Parachute Infantry, E Company paradropping into Normandy where Joe Toye is listing out all of the things he has to carry with him on the jump.
He clearly lists "Musette Bag." It is also mentioned a couple of other times by Captain Dick Winters as the paratroopers are gathering on the ground.
For some people to pretend that a Musette Bag is not a commonly known item is ahistorical.
The musette used in WW2 is an adaptation of the most common one encountered by Doughboys in France during WW1, the one I carry is a copy of that musette. The Army adopted the design in the early 1920's with the leather bottom but soon went to all canvas construction. The musette used by the paratroopers in WW2 is the same as used by motorized infantry troops and is the 1932 design.
Thanks for watching!
I'm a bit confused between the haversack and musette bag. The U.S. military had the M-1928 Haversack which wasn't a bag or sack at all, but an assembly of flaps and straps to secure your gear on your back. A few years later the Army came out with the M-1936 Musette Bag and the Marines came out with the M-1941 Haversack, both look much like your haversack or musette bag. My question to you would be, "what would you call the M-1928 Haversack?
Anyway, I just found your channel today a couple hours ago and thoroughly enjoy it and look forward to watching your videos. I guess the algorithm triggered your channel into my feed from watching some hobo survival videos on WayPoint Survival channel.
The M28 pack system is a minor improvement over the 1910 pack system. Prior to the release of the 1910 pack system, common terminology separated Load Bearing Equipment into two broad categories: Haversacks and Packs. In the most basic terms, a Haversack is what you carry your food and personal cooking equipment in, and a pack is where you carried your sleep/shelter system (shelter tent and wool blanket). The 1910 system was the first time both systems were put together in basically the same package. The top half is the Haversack, the bottom half is the Pack (tent, poncho, and blanket rolled together). The system is set up so that the pack can be detached to allow for freer movement during combat. A Musette bag is a type of Haversack.
Yah, you're going to see my stuff when watching James' stuff, and you will likely see others by Honorable Outfitters and perhaps 20th Century Adventures. We're all loosely connected in genre and subject. Each of us gives a bit of a different look at Early 20th Century Camping, what is beginning to be called "Classic Camping" and we're being looked at from folks in the Bushcraft/Survival, Living History, Early Automobile Collectors, and Modern Backpacking Community. I call it "Going Camping 100 Years Ago", others have said that its "Bushcraft back when Bushcraft was called Camping."
Thanks for watching! Check out my Playlists, I group the videos into subject categories including making your own Early 20th Century Camping Gear, the History of Camping Gear, and Classic Camping Living History.
@@sargevining Thank you, that cleared some things up.👍
My friend your intro music is as much a part of the show as your “cabin”
The camera is amazing. What brand/model ?
Much 🫶🏼
The camera is an OSMO Pocket 3, and I am blown away by it. I originally got it for use in the field and the "product showcase" feature as I do a lot of close ups of small objects in the cabin, but I've found out that as a studio camera it is superior to the one I have been using, which cost me $400 more. I've determined that its going to be the permanent studio camera rather than just a close up camera.
The old camera had trouble with autofocus in low light, but this one has a low light setting which not only does a better job at auto focus but allows me to light the cabin the way I want it---lit like a cabin instead of a TV studio. I love the way it brings out the colors of the stuff in the background, yet gives them a slightly out of focus "cinematic" look while focusing clear on the Star Of The Show.
Its got a gimbal with features for face follow and other kinds of tracking and panoramic shots as well as slow motion and a dozen or so other features that I have yet to learn. But its the perfect companion to the flying camera and I should be able to shoot some trail sequences that will look like I've got a 4 man crew with me.
Camera crystal clear.
Thanks! I'm really enjoying it and still learning new stuff it can do.
Hey sarge random request, could u measure the distance tween the strap clips please i got an idea i hope im right 🤓🧐
On the new one I just got: 9"center to center at the base of the clip. Gonna try it on some '36 suspenders?
@@sargevining ill send u pic when my mussette gets in 🤓
Where can one get a bag like yours there Sarge??
Its from What Price Glory, which does have a good selection of stuff that can be used in the field for Classic Camping and Bushcraft. Unfortunately, he's out of the Officer's Musettes right now (they sell out fast). He's good about re-stocking and send out notifications, though. At $45, you can't find a better one.
www.whatpriceglory.com/default.asp
Camera looks good
I agree. I never expected it to be better than the camera I've been using. I bought it for using in the field, not the studio. Its a pleasant surprise.
Thanks for watching!
Personally I got a Duluth100 double shell purse green I treated it with refined linseed oil a little bit better because it's meant for oil painting .
I also use it on my axe head and knife wood handle,s.
I like your bag . But not enough to buy me one😅
I like my bag, and you like yours. That's how the world is supposed to work. We have a saying in backpacking: Hike Your Own Hike." Linseed oil is a good choice for your purpose, personally I don't waterproof load bearing gear, preferring instead to put contents into waterproof bags. HYOH!
To me, a Haversack is what you use the bag for. My Haversack was a Czech Army Gas Mask Bag, $9.00 from Colmans Surplus, very vintage look. Now it is a Haversack. Tomato, Tomauhto.
I agree. But part of what this channel is about is giving Living Historians and others pathways for research of the history of camping gear. Knowing the terms in use at the time helps in that pursuit. But I've called my musette a haversack in other videos, and you'll catch me doing it in this one and probably ones I haven't made yet because, yah, that's what I'm using it for.
Thanks for watching!
@@sargevining Great channel. I am old school, 66 years old and only use old gear, mostly military surplus. You even got my favorite outdoors era, 1900-1940's. I enjoy this channel because other channels just repeat other content creators. For example; everyone has the same name brand saw, knife, canteen, haversack, and very little food, and very little water.in theyre Haversack or in theyre pack. To each his own, but I am more economical, minimal and functional. A good tarp, swagroll, Wool Blanket, food and a few bits is all I need. Too many busgcraft channels have the most modern gidgets & gadgets. When I camp, I bring more water and actual food to prepare. No ramen, processed package meals etc. The most processed I go is Pemican I make or some canned food. I dont use a backpack, I carry a Swagroll like they did in Austrailia back in the 1900's-1940's. I think you could do a great video on old school swag camping. Looking forward to the next video.
@@BrahT-dh4qn You've hit on a couple of things that I decided to do when I started this project. First, I have a rule (that I sometimes bend) that I don't do videos on subjects that you can find a hundred other videos on. Second is the tendency of modern Bushcrafters to focus on skills using modern equipment rather than on the equipment the "Bushcraft pioneers" would have used---I wanted to get away from that so I could better understand how and why those guys did things the way that they did.
I've done a couple videos, none in the field, on the American version of swagroll: horshoe roll with haversack. I had originally intended on doing this current trip that way but Life intervened and I had to re-think my sleep/shelter arrangements. Stay tuned for the next couple of videos and you'll find out why.
@@sargevining Thanks. I recently found your channel and am binge watching this weekend. Be well.
@@BrahT-dh4qn swagmen are a joy to read about
Anyone know who in the heck the original Sam Browne was?
Wikipedia tells me he was a British dude who was a General in the Indian Army. He lost an arm in combat and needed something to stabilize his sword and scabbard. So, I guess there's no real utility to it if you have both of your arms, it just looks cool.
It's for the 'be-musette' bag. I still believe this camera has a sharper focus and better depth of field.
Yah--we'll be using the new camera for pretty much everything from now on.
You look ten years younger
Dang. I made it two years ago....
Do you really think there are young folk watchin 🤔
Camera's lookin good
Cheers 🇨🇦
Im 35 so does that count 😂
UA-cam analytics does show that the audience is 95% male and 67% over 55. I'm OK with that. The audience I'm working for is one that's interested in the subject and likes to see me talk about it, regardless of demographics. I did briefly consider doing shorts on Instagram and other platforms more youth oriented, but research done by others showed that by doing that you're attracting people with relatively short attention spans who will only watch a few minutes of your long form videos and that makes the algorithm think your videos suck. The one metric that I do pay attention to is watch time, and my average there continues to go up, which tells me that I'm serving the audience I'm looking for well. IOW, I'm happier knowing that the people who DO watch are interested in the subject and like what they see.
The camera is better
I agree. I'm blown away by it. I didn't expect it to be better than the one I've been using.
It is a noticeable difference and the colors are much more natural and vibrant.
@@carltuckerson7718 That's a function of the low-light setting. The old camera had a hard time with autofocus unless things were brightly lit. There are times in the older videos where you can see that. But I'm in a cabin, daggit, it shouldn't be lit like a TV set. This camera allows me to dial down the light and get things down to "cabin lighting" level. I've got a light that has a setting for "candlelight" and "campfire". I'm dying to use that light and the low light setting to create a "sitting in front of the fireplace" effect.