big batch Oxalic acid strips
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2021
- making a large batch of OA strips. where I found large supplies and how I packaged to make field application easier. #oxalicacid #Varroamitecontrol #beekeeping
newpig.com. is where I got the water absorbent pads
WTR007
PIG® Water Absorbent Mat Pad
labally.com for the glycerin
Glycerin, USP/NF Grade, Kosher
flab.com florida labs for the Oxalic acid
Oxalic Acid 99.6%
First!!! Can't wait to see how it works!! Thanks Harris!!
Me too Rodney
Harris, you really come up with some good ideals!! thanks for sharing..
most if my "good" ideas just cost me time and money, some do work out. thanks
I added OAE to my colonies based off Randys website and used the same 1:1 OA and glycerine with the swedish cellulose sponges off Amazon that he mentioned. So far, as of yesterday, all colonies maintained zero, one or two mites. Which only one colony went up. I have 11 colonies. One nuc had 3 mites but that has been untreated so far this year. I am only one month into it or 30 days out of a 70 day Extended application. Based off Randy's report, its natural for the mites to increase as the mid way or so point comes because the current theory is the OAE keeps the mites from going into the cells to reproduce so naturally the phoretic count will be higher, but will lower when they don't reproduce as much. Time will tell.
I have been doing random testing as I am requeening. Most have very low or zero counts. Some that I used shop towels on are higher. The sweetest sponges disintegrate with time. I found a better system in water absorbent pads. I showed them on my big batch video. I have had a few colonies with high counts that have the shop towels. The towels were supposed to only stay a short time you know how that goes. Randy also found the towels did not do much
Ol Harris aint messing around now!
Go big or go home. Lol
That sponge looks like a right one. I tried many.. some of them don't do nothing after 5 days. If they propolise it, or just stop working on it than it's not good.
The size looks ok.. It's better to use small like that and change 2-3 over the long treatment than to use one big that gets old...
they really hold a lot of stuff, kind of worried it will run out and down the frame when it gets warm
Yeah I'm definitely looking forward to the results
Hope it works
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 bee wary of an ignorant individual (sam kabam ) who says the strips we are experimenting with do not work...... He is what I call a short ignorant comment merchant and directed his comment to Randy Oliver who he says is bad at beekeeping!
The mites are down to 24 today. The numbers were 300 in one day a couple of weeks ago.
I've killed or rather the 1 to 1 solution has killed over 1000 in the new colony. Best Wishes in your endeavours. Beware of the nutters?
I made some on capillary matting. It's thicker than the Multi fibre cellulose dish cloth. The Multi is 2mm thick whereas the capillary mat is 3mm -1/8" the capillary matt don't half hold some stuff. That's what I used in the new colony 5 frame installed last Sat in a 10 frame Langstroth -deep. I was amazed by the 300 drop and was further amazed that it out paced the fumigation. I would have sworn the fumigation should have been more searching but no that strip did it and there was no where near as many grams on it as seen in Randy's latest report (for me) Part 1 = 2022 March.
as long as you can keep repeating that you will be good
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 Thanks Harris I hope you are successful as well, sure makes you feel good. Terrible parasite those varroa .... was bitten by a tick end October 2020 that carried Lyme disease so three weeks of Doxycycline got me right but it was uphill and makes you feel for the bees being made ill by those critters. They are just vile. These strips seem excellent.
If it's got to be a material that holds plenty of stuff then although the Capillary mat is dearer then that sheet certainly holds a lot of Ox +G.
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 Hiya Harris I hope you are doing well with the strips..... I've read the march 22 R Oliver deliverance which all us successful experimenters will find very interesting.
The new colony must have been hindered with the 1000 mites I've got off them in 19 days?
Todays drop =64. It was a bit worrying but I should not have worried because you know as well as others that the count (kill) can be erratic. 1 drop = 300 a while back then down to 2 counts of 160/170/130 no 64 which is as some would have predicted!!!!
For the future you will be able to predict what will be the pattern and outcome through your experience of this great method.
I see a new vaporiser is being used but although I thought vaporization would have been more 'searching' that the strip method I don't think it is more efficient or even equal to the strips on the proviso the strips are loaded with enough 1 to 1 and there is enough of those strips in the hive to cause the devastation to the mites that the strips do....... I would think = as good as a silver bullet as you say...... Great stuff.
I don't usually take chances with anything but have always kept an open mind. That's the way to stay alive ain't it?
That strip thing is brilliant I found. What is surprising folks have been using that since 2015, I see. I wonder why it's taking so long to publicly explode amongst the beekeepers???? It really does seem to work as you are seeing. Other blokes say the same -they have good things to say about it!
takes time to get the word out, and there have been lots of other ideas that didnt work that guys put lots of energy into, screened bottom boards, so some are slow to try
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 Really appreciate being able to 'talk' to someone like minded as you are. I'm old now but I can usually see a good idea when it is seen to work. I thought the mesh floor was a good idea from day one but it costs a bit ! What goes down doesn't usually come up?
I wouldn't like no solid floor - 1 1/2" under the mesh though.
It's so nice to see the 'old' hive proliferating with no mites in them & the beekeeper who sold me the new colony plus mites may well be mistaken when he says you will not get rid of all the mites.
Never been one to shirk a challenge & I am more determined to prove that idea wrong. Here's hoping you don't loose another single bee to varroa - it's got nothing to do with 'luck'. When that acid gets onto the bxxxxxds they die.
@@michaelhall7921 even if you kill them all, they will bring back more. I have though about strips of OA at the entrance, so field bees walk on it on the way in. like a door mat. some of my strips dry out faster than others, I need to replace some on my next run through. going to do some mite tests too
Fumigated Oxalic acid only killed 80 after three days from the nuc. The strips seem much more efficient....... Is it the golden bullet?
even in tests where it dosnt reduce the mite load, it seems to keep it from growing. I replace the strips when they get dry
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 I've saved most of the mites from the nuc. I might see the beekeeper one of these days to show him what mostly came with the 10000 bees he sold me.
The colony of last year that has hardly a mite on them must be seen to be believed compared to the quiet hive next door !
The beekeeper is a professional with 35 years behind him. He seems good at selling honey and his advert =no chemicals used on my bees makes me wonder if he ought to have bought some. I would think oxalic acid in the form of a light spray would have been better than zero.
I doubt very much even with my paltry experience this new colony would have survived this coming winter without the 1 to 1 oxalic acid and glycerine strips.
Big kill of 300 mites from a new nuc now in a lanstroth hive. DAMN. New nuc two weeks ago.
That's with only one strip of 2mm capillary mat 2 -1/2 wide 9" long. after one day & night!
Big colony 2 mites per week.
Should I add another fresh strip to the big hive while I see ANY mites?
The strips have done real good with the big hive exploding with lovely bees..... Good hunting Harris & best wishes with the experiment. You are doing right......
must have been loaded with mites. i dont track fall, but that seems faster than it usually works. have you done a wash to see what your load is?
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 Thanks for your message I hope you are doing OK.
I must admit it, I don't do any washes. I did the icing sugar job last year twice with my misses but never saw a mite and a bloke was sarky (I don't blame him) and said they are there, icing sugar or no! They were there all right......
I feel sorry for the professionals who's hands are tied re not using the oxalic acid strips but I see it's available in commercial strips with not enough stuff on them. I see the instructions indicate "use them without any bees in the hive being treated".... LOL ! It's alright me laughing but my wife says the bee police will be on my back soon?
Who is worse, me who's killed 500+ varroa in a week, or the seller who must have known some mites were on these bees in the nuc he sold me.......
He messaged me, said- 'they get them off other bees' - you'll never kill them all!
he didn't know I was a hunter donkey's years & that's why I know about 'ballistic tips'.
I've got the killer instinct towards varroa. Why the hell aren't the strips legal..... after all the stuff is sprayed onto bees anyways?
I am thinking due to an 80 drop after 3 days after the fumes then the 300 drop after 1 day -strips which one seems better? Mr Oliver with his exacting strategy would say =not enough comparative data---- but the figures look good to be re the strips...... I think you were dead on when you said -it just might be the silver bullet we've been hoping for......
Another 156 dead today & I lined em up in rows of ten. nice to see em lying there =harmless!
I am diplomatic and didn't tell that guy who supplied me more bees that his bees were lousy.
Keep killin em Harris & best wishes.
Somehow I must have missed how you install these strips.... Are you tearing each one in half then putting the two halves on top of the frames in each box (4 total in a double deep hive) - or is it just unfolding the long strip and two per box? Thanks
I tear it in half, and lay them on top of the brood frames. I like to keep them in about an inch from the end of the frames. when the OA runs out and down the frame it will kill brood so I dont like them over the middle of the frame. usually in the spring I just have them in the box with brood, as they fill 2 brood boxes I add more. this is a good time to replace any that have dried out, or have been lost when doing inspections
Lol- “That wasn’t you guys, it was my wife…”
My yards are 30-40 hives. I like to keep everything as simple as possible. Would making these in 5 gal buckets cut out a few of the steps? 1 bucket per yard. Put the pads in a bucket dump the solution on top good to go for the yard? Is it necessary to separate them out?
you can store them any way that makes it best for you. If you store them long, and they get warm, the liquid will drain out of the ones on top
Just a snippet = quite a bit of fluid seems thinner than the Ox +G.... I wonder if the oxalic acid is hygroscopic?
yes, it draws moisture
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 Harris ----- My oh my what a beeeautiful morning = The bees are flyin but the mites are dyin --- If you take note from them who knows them Varroa mites'll die in droves....... Hope you like that Harris why is it a beeautiful day ? the drop is 16 today = Yippeeiyay...... I am really looking forward to see you say the strips really are working and you succeed in exterminating those little bastards ( I hope I'm not banned for saying that)?
I'm still wondering if you had time to read the 2022 July report from Randy. Did you ssee that stupid person who said he was better at making graphs etc etc. That was punishable by a present = a big box of Africanised killer bees .
Harris - just a thought have you got an old plastic suitcase...... might that be useful to put your massive amount of strips in? There's always plenty of cheap storage boxes in the UK light and water tight but for your needs Glycerine tight ? take no notice if you don't think that's a good idea. Both have handles ?
I do need to come up with a better way to pack them with me.
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 You cleaver folks in the USA will come up with something...... Usually 10 years or so in front of us lot in the UK. My old mechanic pal emigrated 40 more years ago to Warminster PA He told me that good work is more recognised your area than here...... He's gone now though. It might have been the brake linings they used to blow out with an airline!
What makes you do this over vapor? I’ve thought about doing this in the past
vapor has to be done every 3 days unless they are broodless. I dont have time to do that, i am up to 200 colonies. it seems to be working, I will be doing a bid varroa test run in a week or so
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 I wonder if Decatur Ridge has found out by now that the strips are beaten hands down by the strips....... Did you like my cassius ditty?
Wow 5 gallon / 50 pound recipe. I like your style! Go big or go home.
I like these strips better than the sponges. they are holding up well
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 How thick are they Harris? Are they like the fibre capillary matting I use 1/8". The bees don't seem to chew the thicker stuff? The yellow fibre 2mm wash cloths are soon chewed up and chucked out by the bees. I immediately put fresh in = I'm hooked on killing mites.
@@michaelhall7921 they are 3/16 to 1/4 in. they dont chew them up with oa on them, but they will dry out over time. thats when I replace them
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 Hi Harris sounds good. They might not need refreshing so often. I found that when I put fresh strips in the drop count did not go up so the 'old ones' still worked (i think). The original hive has no mites in it I think. Strips did a good job for quite a few months up to Dec then on a warm day Ox fumes. new year...... I'm very happy that all you cleaver beekeepers who publicised the strips did us a power of good.
Here's hoping we will kill the remnants of varroa by summer. best wishes in all that you do, Mick in the uk.
10:05 wipe fingers off before you put a big chew of Cope in, don't ask me how I know lol seriously I use baking soda water to neutralize stuff..I used to use it in buckets of water to clean up crystals we went and dug for fun
some things just cant be missed. lol
so when you put then in the hive was it easy to do so and did u find it killed your mites thanks and have a great day
Very easy, just place 2 strips on the top of the frames. Very non scientific observations, the colonies that had the good sponges had low to no mites. The ones that I left shop towels on had higher mites
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 This is great another question if u do not mind I was thinking about putting this in the hive at the time I put on the honey supers what is your thought when do u do it thank u very much and have a great day
@@framcesmoore I plan on putting them in the first of Jan. then my bees go south about 12 hrs. to almonds foe 3 months or so. first of april they should be back, I will pull nucs off and test for varroa. if high I will think about other treatments, and probably pull all brood (nucs that will get a queen in a week) old queen gets all the field bees, so she will lay the nest back fast. this gives a brood break to all. OA vap works great with no capped brood. then replace strips, and check the end of june when I pull honey and split. then a check mid to end aug.
have you heard of anyone using these strips in the (daytime temp about 60 degrees). spring in place of using a wand and oxalic acid to kill the mites before the flow.
mine have been in since jan. I will replace in April. they stay in when I vape. the problem with vape is it dosnt kill mites under the cappings. the one gram per box is not enough, research is showing 4 grams is closer. if you are using it in the spring when the box is full of brood you need to treat every couple days with 4 grams to have any reduction in numbers
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 do you think they are not working?? is that why you vape also??
@@olddave4833 different hives have different results. I had many with no mites, I had some with some mites. I vape mostly in the fall and winter, when they are broodless. But it never hurts to throw on an extra layer of protection. If I move to a new yard, or a new flow starts, I don't know what bees mine are mingling with. Oxalic acid seems to be the only treatment that doesn't adversely affect the bees. It is also very inexpensive compared to other treatments. This year I plan on leaving the strips in most of the season. I will probably also cage the queen after our June flow to get a brood break and hit them with vapor. I will reassess mid August and determine then what if any treatment they need when preparing they're winter nest
Who did you get the glycerin from?
Lab alley
@@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924
Thanks.
Boots the chemist UK
I've got nothing but praise for the strips. The Argentinians thought of it I believe..... Randy Oliver seems to be in touch with them......... I was hoping the RNA idea would take off but it might be years before that happens.
Did you see where that scientist = 30 odd years old = Cameron Jack said a fumigation every 3 days or so????
Seems very labour intensive for the poor folks with hundreds of hives such as yourself.
In any case the strips seem more potent-------- in fact the 'silver bullet'?
I wanted to do the every 3 days, but its an 8 hr day for me to treat all mine. going to do some testing this week, see where the numbers are.
Well..I tried watching this last night but there was 90 mph winds outside and tree was snapping limbs off and we went to the basement..then lost power .. waiting to hear where tornado was..You all need rain I seen where you are in a drought already, but sucks now hopefully it pays back later...I got Virgins in incubator!! This looks really good I'd say if Danny likes it,he does alot of this..the rest of the world is way more advanced than the states, maybe From our regulations? Watch the Ukraine boys, and Croatian they know techniques we don't because we don't know they exist..it's hard to follow but worth it
big company dont make money on other simple cheap ways of doing things
How did it work?
I really like them vs the little sponges I used the first time. I am just getting ready to do some testing, but they havent been on that long so we will see.
so you don't air dry the strips...another guy used duct tape and dried them over night.
I think you want them runny, it is working like the dribble method, only over time. so the more juice the strip carries into the hive the better