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@@jimmicks8185 facts iv been waiting for the zeldatubers to pronounce hateno right i don't think that will happen lol say it with me (ha-te-no) not (ha-tay-no) ....smh
Dude, your videos have just continued to get better over the years. My god. Great job on this one, thanks so much for having me on. And thank you to everyone who submitted their theories! So much fun
The interlopers don’t have to be the entire Sheikah or Gerudo races banished to the twilight realm. They could be specifically a group (made up of Sheikah, Gerudo, or both) that was banished and then the rest of them weren’t involved in the bad stuff that got the interlopers banished. The Sheikah have been around since the beginning of the timeline (in Skyward Sword, where Impa is from the past when Demise was first sealed). The Sheikah as a race ARE old enough to be the ancestors to the Twili, and it would fit nicely with BotW’s lore the Sheikah were prone to having disputes and splits throughout their history before the Yiga
The fact the the Interlopers are referred to as a non specific "Tribe" with no mention of 2 very well known and iconic groups make it unlikely for the Interlopers to be either. They are treated as a singular group. It's unlikely the Tribe is made up of 2 separate groups. Connections to either the Shiekah or Gerudo are most likely coincidental.
If everyone in Hyrule has a counterpart in Termina, and we know that Majora's Mask appears to have some level of sentience, couldn't it be possible that Majora's Mask IS Termina's version of the Fused Shadow? They have similar backstories, similar powers, similar freaky eye-designs on the front... Of course, the only problem with this is that the Happy Mask Salesman had Majora's Mask in Hyrule when it was stolen by the Skull Kid, but theoretically, it is still possible that he had already been to Termina once and obtained it there, as he never explicitly states where he got it in the first place... Just throwing out what's probably an outrageous theory here...
Went to Termina, got the mask, and the mask manipulated Skull Kid into jumping the Happy Mask Salesman so it could go back to Termina to wreak havoc? Hmm, plausible.
@@MSFVIDS The theory still makes sense, Majora's mask could've been Hyrule's counterpart of the fused shadow, I have not played the game and do not know who or what the fused shadow is so pardon me if I'm wrong, but they could be interchanged right? Edit: I did a bit of research and I think this could've been very plausible since the fused shadow appears in Hyrule/Twightlight so, that gives me the conclusion that it could have worked out the other way around, Majora may be the terminal counterpart of the fused shadow.
My personal theory has always been that Majora's Mask is actually Lorule's equivalent to the Fused Shadow, Termina the equivalent to the Twilight Realm, and the Cult of Masks the equivalent to the Interlopers.
I always thought that the Mogmas left Hyrule and eventually became the Subrosians from oracle of seasons (another race that lives underground near lava). We never see them under their robes so for all we know they could also be mole people
That's a good idea. I don't know much of the Oracles content, but you could do some digging to find if there are any other hints that lead to this theory
You could also view the digging bandit (acrobandits I think) enemies from Minish Cap as a midway transition between the two. They’re more short and round like the Subrosians, but still live close to the surface and dig like Mogma
The dark interlopers were just a group people who mastered a certain kind of magic at least as far as true japanese translations go so it could have been a group of sheikah and gerudo that created the fused shadows. And only those responsible were banished to the twilight realm and became the twilight. It would explain both symbols being present.
I always found the theory that the interlopers were gerudo was weird because of the whole only one male is born every 100 years thing, but now I think it is possible because perhaps back then the gerudo were compromised equally of both voe and vai, and that the gerudo males becoming rare happened some time after the interloper war.
@@andresbarquin I think the Interlopers are both Gerudo and Sheikah and their descendants are hybrids of the two. As for the Gerudo being both male and female, there is a theory that the Wind Tribe in Minish Cap are the ancestors of the Gerudo as they all have red hair and may be a descendant of Groose the first Gerudo.
@@andresbarquin that makes alot of sense. Midna even says something about Zant not being chosen as ruler due to him having madness in his eyes like their ancestors. Which could mean gerudo males could have naturally been power Hungry and if you have gerudo having children with sheikah they would take on both traits over time. Zant wora the gerudo symbol possible to Ganondorfs influence or their were to different grouos of twili likes houses so to speak. As midna in her true form looks nothing like Zant. In fact she looks far more human like then Zant does.
For the Divine Prank, we know that Link has part of the Triforce in the very end of OoT which is barely visible when he relives the scene of meeting Zelda. This suggests the Triforce must have split already. It was less of a prank of the gods (though from the Sages perspective it would seem so) and more the Triforce's normal defense mechanism at play. It was likely that Ganondorf just didn't know he had it and activated its power through desperation. This next part is just me being crazy, but we don't know how resetting Link's time with the ocarina works... it's not like playing the ocarina can return Link to a set point in time and allow him to keep in possession items that he hasn't recieved yet... unless it works like it does in MM. Also it may be possible that the Triforce is... not bound by a normal concept of time or the OoT isn't powerful enough to effect the Triforce. For example, even though time rewinds, the Triforce doesn't "rewind" with them, it continues forward backwards. That is the Triforce stays with the chosen while they are rewound, but the Triforce itself doesn't come back together it stays apart bound to chosen. The Triforce experiences the rewind the same way Link does. Though the Triforce seems to continue to exist in future for the same reason. The OoT can't actually send the Triforce through time so it also remains. Trying to apply the laws of time to the Triforce might just be impossible because of its divine nature. (Which might be why the timeline is tough to unravel. We try to apply logic and laws to things that might be above those laws.)
This is complicated, but I think the final time travel in OoT does put Link back in time with his memories of the future. Even if at this point, this is the future of another timeline. I don't really know how he was put there, but I remember he goes back inside of the Temple of Time, holding the Master Sword on its pedestal, but at a point before he got inside the Temple in the original timeline, because later we see him meeting the princess inside the castle, however the princess can't be here if he was sent back at a time he had already opened the Temple and pulled the Sword, because at this point Ganondorf had already attacked the castle and Impa and Zelda already fled from the citadel. So I think safe to assume he went back in time with items he didn't have back then. That could apply to the Triforce. And I recall a very common theory explaining that Link going back in time and taking possession of his part of the Triforce splited the Triforce earlier in the Child Timeline, and his Triforce in the original timeline he just left broke with its possesser gone, explaining why we have to collect the Triforce of Courage pieces in the Wind Waker, in the Adult Timeline. Sorry if I my sentences don't make sense, this is very complicated stuf, I'm not concentrated and English is not my native language.
@@geianimari65 Nah, your sentences are good. I just thought of the weird possibility that the Triforce is split in the Child Timeline ending because the OoT couldn't undo that particular event similar to how it couldn't undo the freeing of the Giants in Majora. The Triforce exists outside of time and when the time line split occurs it stays in place relative to its timeline. Adult Timeline Triforce stays unaffected with only Link disappearing. But child timeline Triforce stays separated throughout the rewind because to the Triforce that event has already happened (in the same way Link also sees the event as having happened). The OoT just simply can't put the Triforce back together again because the Triforce isn't bound by the laws of time. The Triforce was separated and hasn't been brought back together in the intended way so it stays with the chosen despite for everyone including Link (though he is aware of it) time was reset to before the separation.
The name "dark interlopers" has always felt like a hint to me that skews in favor of a connection. Interloper can be defined as "One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity." If the interlopers came from Termina, their name is evident as they don't belong in Hyrule in the first place, attempting to take control of its Golden Power. This also connects really nicely to the Triforce symbols that are found in Ikana, which show that some tribe that lived in Termina did indeed have knowledge of it - the same one, seemingly, that created a statue of Majora in the Stone Tower Temple, and opened a gateway to a dimension seemingly linked to the demon inside that temple.
My theory about the divine prank is that the Triforce transcends time. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power like normal, but then despite the time manipulation, he still had it. He wasn't aware he had it up until the execution which is where it kicked in and saved him. This would also explain how Link, Zelda, and their descendents have their pieces despite the Door of Time having never been opened in the timeline where Link was sent back to his childhood. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on my theory!
Theory- The entierty of BOTW’s story during the game is told from Kass’ perspective. It’s not immediately evident right away but soon becomes quite clear during the DLC. This would explain the story being so fragmented, because it is told through song and from memory by Kass. And legends throughout history are often told through song or poem. Kass was around for BOTW so he would be able to recount the events and insert himself into certain parts of the story. I think it would be interesting to delve into this. Maybe some of the story points would make a little more sense if looked at from Kass’ perspective. It would also be interesting to delve into who his teacher was.
The Gerudo mark on Zant is because Ganondorf played a god figure to him. I don't think the gerudo's got anything to do with the people of the twilight realm until Ganondorf came through. As far as the sheikas being involved with the Twilight & Majora's Mask. I feel like that part is true. We've seen the sheikah's going evil before, like with BOTW. Who'se to say that these "interlopers" wouldn't be a select handful of corrupted sheikah that wanted to dominate the sacred realm using the Fused Shadow, a creation from a type of dark magic that they shouldn't have been digging into, and because of that, they got banished to a different realm for being taken in by the "Dark Magic." As far as Majora's mask being made before the fused shadow & Interlopers. I feel like that part is true. My thought is that the being "Majora" who'se had beef with the fierce deity was perhaps the beginning of the whole sheikah-to-interloper fiasco as a way to try to get a 1-up over the Goddesses behind the scenes. To have itself turned into a mask, I feel like it was in agreement with an association to Demise (or one of his henchmen, like perhaps one that disguises itself as the Masked Salesman) This way, Majora can be hidden, and corrupt the sheikah race ( one of Demise's enemies being that they were the guardians for Hylia herself. ) We already know that the sheikah are the best at creating technology, so perhaps the corrupted sheikah-turned-interlopers developed the fused shadow with the inspiration of Majora's mask to take control over the sacred realm. But once they failed, and the goddesses intervened, the mask was taken away from them to be hidden around the world (in the hands of the masked salesman) so that's why over the years, the people of twili aren't all that evil. It could also make sense as to why the goddesses ordered the three light spirits to seal away the magic, rather than straight up killing them. Then again, I don't think they've ever killed anything now that I think about it, but because despite being interlopers, they're still the Goddesses guardians. But of course, it's just the beauty and mystery of LOZ. Just like how there is a upside-down triforce on the eyebrows of Majora's Mask.
Here’s a minor mystery for you I haven’t seen anywhere else as far as I know. If you go a little northwest from the Spring of Power in BotW, you’ll find a slope leading up Death Mountain with a surprising amount of enemies, namely Lizalfos and Fire Chuchus. Get to the top and the slope becomes a series of cliffs with some Pebblits on the ledges. Halfway up, you’ll find a ruined stone structure with ruined walls and stairs leading up to a platform. I was curious about it for a while since it looked like a lookout spot. But looking out for what? If you look out the window to the right, you can make out island on Lake Akkala and the roads leading to the Citadel but not the Citadel itself since it’s blocked by Death Mountain. If you look dead ahead out of the window on the opposite side of the stairs, you can see the East Akkala Stable, the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab and the roads between them. One thing to note, is that if you look at Death Mountain from the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab, it’s just about impossible to spot this structure. Now go further up the mountain. Here’s a building with the layout of the soldier garrisons and outposts we see, mostly ruined, with hardened lava having rushed in through broken sections of the walls. Here’s the question. Why is there a lookout and garrison that can’t be spotted in this little hidden spot on the mountain? It can’t be to monitor Death Mountain. You’d pick a safer spot. To keep an eye on any soldiers marching from Akkala Citadel? Maybe, but why only when they’re marching north and not the citadel itself? Given that you can spot the Tech Lab but you can’t see either the lookout or garrison from the Tech Lab, I think it’s possible that the royal family was keeping an eye on the lighthouse. We don’t know who operated it before Robbie did, but maybe it was more Sheikah. And given how far away it is from central hyrule, maybe they feared the Sheikah were covertly operating behind the royals backs, thus leading to spies being placed on Death Mountain to keep a faraway eye on things. I can’t imagine they were there for protecting the lighthouse, given they’d have to descend the volcano and cross the Akkala valley and again, the citadel is just down the road. Even the idea they might have been watching for invaders by sea falls a bit short in my mind given how obscured the sea is by Tumlea Heights and Death Mountain.
I believe the happy mask salesman is very deceiving in what he says and who he claims to be. I think he has some dark secrets and something to do with the majoras mask that we don’t know about.
I think the Mogma evolved into the Subrosians. The mogma were quoted to love staying down in their lair all day and relaxing. I think they were supposed to help subdue ganon but instead faked their own deaths somehow (or just simply hid their identities) and stayed underground out of guilt and survival. And the Subrosians also live in an underground lair. And are very secretive about their identities.
it’s always so great to see Adam and Jordan in each other’s videos, I get whiplash whenever they collab 😂 and these are great theories! I’ve got nothing to add, but wow, Nell’s story caught me by surprise. I had no idea they don’t respawn after blood moons. completely unrelated, but I have a small headcanon that Link sees remnants of people’s memories in the places he visits, maybe as a weird side effect of spending a century in the Shrine of Resurrection and having to recover his own memories through photos in the Sheikah Slate. so if he were to go to the Akkala Citadel, he’d see flashes of soldiers laughing and eating together, training under the harsh sun, and grieving and fighting as they held their last stand. I need to replay this game, I miss it already
That's a nice theory, about Link seeing memories when he visits a place. Do you see it more like, he sees ghosts, or like, he remembers his own memories of the location ?
@@geianimari65 more on the route where he sees ghosts, almost like holograms of people who were there. his visions would have the scenery restored to how they were when the memory took place, and he could just see short glimpses of moments those people shared. they wouldn’t be able to see him, Link’s visions would be like the memories in-game, where he’d sort of re-enact events in his mind, except he’s actually seeing them and not just closing his eyes and remembering
Yellow fur, orange noses, blue mask-like markings around their eyes, tendency to dig and pop out of holes in the dirt, affinity for stealing things... to me it's always been a mini theory that the Mogma became Minish Cap's AcroBandits at some point in their evolution
1. *"What happened to the Magmas?"* Despite their name, I actually doubt they are actually native to Elden. My reason for this is that they are Treasure Hunters and traveled to Elden Volcano in search of treasure. Perhaps they left for elsewhere long before the Gorons moved in. 3. *"Hylia worship"* The first appearance of the Hylia Goddess Statue is actually Zelda II, The Adventure of Link so Hylia was created before Skyward Sword. There's also Lake Hylia and the "Goddess of Time" in Majora's Mask. This doesn't actually answer the question of Hylia vs 3 Goddess Worship but the existence of the Goddess Statue in Zelda II is an indication that Hylians worshipped Hylia at the time while the very concept IRL of the Three Golden Goddesses wasn't a thing until A Link to the Past. 4. *"Divine Prank"* My interpretation of the divine prank is that when the Hero of Time was Sent back in time, he had the Triforce of Courage. However, when he was sent back in time, the Triforce of Courage from the Unified/Adult Timeline didn't go back with him and shattered into 8 pieces as a consequence. When Link arrived in the Child Timeline, he automatically gained the Triforce of Courage from the Child Timeline because he was supposed to have the Adult Timeline version. And since Link automatically gained the Child Timeline's Triforce of Courage, Zelda automatically received it's Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf automatically received it's Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf only found out he had it when sometime after his execution and imprisonment into the Twilight Realm after accidentally using it's power upon dying from being lethally impaled by the Sage's Sword out of desperation of refusing to die. It's still a consequence of Zelda but it's not really a divine prank or some punishment. Merely the consequence of cause and effect. Side Note: *"…like the Zora race becoming the Rito…"* …sigh… I'll say it again: Only Medli's family seems to have Zora blood in her veins as there is another Rito in the Wind Waker who descended from the Running man, therefore has Hylian Blood running through his veins. Therefore, Medli descending from the Zora is not proof that then entire race Rito descended from the Zora. According to Eiji Aonuma and the Ocarina of Time Manga, the Rito existed by the time of Ocarina of Time, the Manga being the very first appearance of the Rito.
9:35 I believe when Link went back in time, he has the Triforce of Courage and by that logic splits the triforce up in the child timeline which Young Zelda would of gotten Triforce of Wisdom and sadly Ganondorf getting the Triforce of Power, just for Zelda and Ganondorf, the Triforce lay dormant inside of them until a certain time passed.
I rather think it stays dormant until the bearers have a trigger that activate its power. For Ganondorf in TP, it was being killed, for Link it was being dragged into the Twilight, and Zelda maybe the Twilight too. In OoT, Zelda/Sheik does willingly activate the Triforce by revealing their identity to Link, but we don't know how they triggered it in the first place. I don't remember how Link finds out he has a part of the Triforce. As fI don't remember for Ganondorf, but either he triggers it in the final battle, when his castle is destroyed and he turns into Ganon, so when he gets killed again, or he triggered it prior but I don't know how.
I posted my theory in the last video, but here it is again incase you decide to feature it next time: The Zora in the Downfall Timeline are savage and violent because they isolated themselves from Hylians. This could be because to seal Ganon away after Link died, it cost the Six Sages their lifeforce so it meant Ruto died. The Zora blamed the Hylians for this and isolated themselves, degressing into the Savahe River Zora. This could be likely as we saw how spiteful the Zora got in Breath of the Wild after Mipha's death so maybe the same thing could have happened for the Downfall Timeline.
I remember ages ago someone noticing the sheika eye on the fused shadow, and proposing the Interlopers were defectors (like the Yiga) from the sheika. Perhaps some ancient Gerudo were also part of that. Anyway, I've always been of the mind that the Twighlight realm itself is what turned the Interlopers from Hylian appearing to the Twili. Untold centuries in the darkness would cause mutations and evolution into an entirely new race. I like the idea that the Fused Shadow is a manifestation of Majora's power. I like that it adds mystery to the mask rather than solve any!
@@geianimari65 well garrahim was known to perform hexing rituals it was never confirmed that he died alongside demise the happy mask salesman has a very similar personality traits to garrahim and the happy mask salesman is in possession of a mask that was used in rituals that is the short version of my argument I'm still looking into it gathering more information but I feel there's a solid chance I could be right
@@XBANGARANGX It's true that we never actually witnessed Ghirahim functionally die. We do see Demise absorbing him inside his sword, but as Fay frequently gets in and out of the Master Sword it really means nothing. Then we see the sword disappearing when Demise is defeated, but we don't know what it means either. Not mentioning this happens in another timeline and that there is another Ghirahim somewhere roaming free, BUT I should explain the other timeline theory and it's long. I explained it in my own comment if it interests you tho. For the rest, I don't think the Happy Masks Salesman and Ghirahim are anythnig similar whatsoever. Maybe your arguments are very personal feelings about it, but maybe by some digging you could find some consistent hint to your theory.
@@geianimari65 yes and I have been digging for anything that can conclusively connect Ghirahim and the happy mask salesman and majora mask is the most likely connection but not a definitive connection
The theories, ideas, concepts and speculations make my day always. Thanks for the Work! Well...I would like to add my little speculation too. My theory about why we won't see darknuts in BoTW2 in just a few sentences: Worldbuilding-wise the Zelda community has collected enough data to conclude that darknuts seem to be some kind of creation, sometimes dog demon shaped, sometimes humanoid. The creators are a grey area tho. I would suggest the shiekah to fill this role. Darknuts seem to be elite knights programmed to protect sakred relics therefore they might have been created to aid the royal Family and the shiekah in their Quests. In BoTW this role is filled out by the Guardians. Maybe the shiekah thought machines would be better than an elite knight type life form but it seems Ganon teached them again.... What does that mean for BoTW2? It is unlikely that darknuts will appear as the life form that we see in minish cap, ww, or twilight princess. I would highlight the idea of cyborg/android type darknuts maybe in the image of the pirate boi as seen in ss as an alternative. Thanks for reading.
One thing I did find interesting was the Twili's prophecy about the Sacred Beast and the Hero of Time. It definitely isn't a coincidence that he would leave howling stones around the map, entrusted his arsenal to the different races, that he himself can transform into a wolf, and that the Twili had a prophecy about a Sacred Beast that can save them. To add to that, we see that Link's wolf mode happens when in contact with Twilight while having the Triforce of Courage, so it leads one to believe that the Hero of Time, since he had the Triforce of Courage coming back to the Child Timeline, at some point came into contact with the Twili, leading to the prophecy since he would've been transformed into a wolf there. He probably foresaw a conflict between light and shadow and began giving his bow and stuff to different races and leaving Howling Stones for his descendants just in case. Idk just my thoughts since it sounds kinda cool
the interlopers made Majora's Mask, the Twili are the descendants of that tribe. hey, maybe it was also the interlopers that fought against the Ikana Kingdom and the creators of the stone tower.
Theory, following up on Majoras mask being made by the twili (more so some evidence presented in that subject) what if the twili aren’t a race of their own originally, but rather a cult-ish group, made up of a some people from a few different races, this would explain the sheikah and Gerudo imagery and such, and they could, through time spent in the twilight realm and the natural progression of races combining would explain them becoming their own race as well
Personally I've never really liked the whole "Twili created Majora's Mask" theory. I think aside from very general similarities of them being powerful mask/helmet and the small detail of the eyes (which really isn't that strong of a connection) there isn't much to back it up. Also, despite the similarities of the eyes, nothing else between the two styles matches at all. Majora's mask is very colorful and tribalist while the Fused Shadow and other Twili constructed things have a very geometric, monotone design that is completely different. I think it's much more likely that Majora's Mask was simply created by a yet unknown group in the series that we've never seen before.
it could be, that because of Majora's power and the Interloper's history of trying to abuse powerful magical artifacts maybe the reason why the fused shadow has these weird similarties is because the Interlopers tried to imitate Majora's Mask... tried to get a weapon that works in the style of the mask but let's be real, the fused shadow while pretty powerful is nothing compared to the mask, the mask was capable of pulling entire celestial bodies out of the sky, and creating sub-dimensions (the moon-fields, and maybe even Termina itself) while only having control over a fairly weak host
I personally don't see similarities between Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow. And I'm part of the people who think Termina is a dream, allowing to connect the Mask and the Twili without it to have any incidence in the lore which is very convenient. Although it's not the main goal of the dream theory.
2.) I always just thought that Nell either was wearing armor that had been passed down in his family for generations…or he had purchased in in Hateno Village, just like Link did. 3.) An interesting point, here. The UA-camr, Gaijin Goomba did a video on Christian imagery in the LoZ series. the odd thing is that pretty much all instances occur in what we all now know of as the "Fallen Hero Timeline." I made a joke comment on it that, maybe, with the Hero defeated & that timeline being an especially hard time for Hyrule, the People of Hylia decided to abandon the old gods they felt had abandoned them and looked for another who might heal their suffering. 4.) The thing to remember here is that the powers of the Triforce (and each subsequent piece) is completely without any moral compass. Even though these are shards of the power of the goddesses of Hyrule's creation, the ability to use the Triforce is amoral, in the literal sense of the term. It's theoretically possible that the "Divine Prank" may be to keep a balance of that power, but it still seems just a case of fate that the three people are just destined to play, not matter how they try to fight it. 5.) It could also be that the tribe that created Majora's Mask may even either be from the Interlopers, themselves, or a precursor to them, a tribe that inspired them.
I have a theory that's not about lore, but behind the scenes stuff. The dev team are trying to erase the Kokiri, even from the lore. Even though the Koroks are supposed to be a sort of evolved form of them, they're a very different species, much like the Zora and the Rito, who BOTH returned in BOTW despite this fact. Every other race, besides certain enemies, were in BOTW. Even the Minish were planned to be in BOTW, but the Kokiri were left behind, their only reappearance being a single ghost form of one in WW. In the lore of OoT and WW, the reason every Link wore a green tunic was because he grew up with the Kokiri. Then, in SS, this was retconned to be that it was his training class or whatever that was why he had worn the green tunic. Even though OoT is a major point in history for The Legend Of Zelda, and many other aspects of the game are shown in one form or another, the Kokiri are ignored by the dev team. This is a huge disappointment to me because I love the Kokiri and would love to see Saria interact with a reincarnation of Link. They're a missed opportunity if you ask me.
I think the twilight realm plays a bigger part in there series than we realize. The place itself has been there as long as Hyrule has, whether inhabited or not. Maybe lowrule and twili are connected, maybe (modern) monsters are influenced by the twilight realm, or are darkness leaking into Hyrule at dusk, or even the change in races/ disappearance or races are because of it. I'm not sure how or what the twilight realm is in relation to Hyrule, but it's hard to believe the events in tp are the only ones where twilight mixes with light, especially considering the mirror in botw. Some of these are more likely than others, but I know the twilight realm is a big puzzle piece in the ever expanding lore and mysteries that is legend of Zelda
@@HyruleGamer Here's a theory; The cursed swordsman tablet in Hyrule castle's graveyard(from twilight princess) is referring to the hero's shade's grave, or at least where he was supposed to be buried. "The cursed swordsman lies under the sacred tree..." it would make sense if he was cursed, and that's why he's in the form of a skeleton, rather than what he looked like when he died.
There's a hylia statue in Zelda II. I think it's just called a trophy, but it definitely has the right shape and size to be a model for the statues we see in the different towns.
The Divine Prank happened because Link brought his triforce of courage with him when he was sent back. According to the lore if one is claimed then the other two seek out barers.
11:00 ~ You could also have a alternative interpretation that, instead of a "divine prank", it was the direct consequence of Zelda's actions. The Link she sent back was in possession of the Triforce of Courage. The seal of the Sacred Realm dictates that once one gets the triforce they're more compatible with, the other two would automatically go to the ones more compatible too. So, by sending Link back, Zelda inadvertently triggered the Triforce's protection mechanism and gave Ganondorf the Triforce of Power!
I love the lore of these games and putting together the pierces of this puzzle. I was so excited to see this upload. I have always found it interesting how many guardians are in the Forgotten Temple: and wonder if it’ll be a dungeon entrance in BotW 2. Sending so many of his mechanical death spiders to this FORGOTTEN temple suggests that it has special significance to Ganon, despite no longer holding any for the Hylians. In the trailer of the sequel we see them having to travel a great distance underground to wherever they find Ganon, which appears to be under the castle. Maybe the entrance to these caves will be located under or past what we see of the Forgotten Temple ruins in BotW. I also got thinking about Majora’s mask and it’s possible connection to the Twili. Since the mask was created before the Twili’s banishment, I agree that it may have been made by their ancestors. Before creating the fused shadow they may have created the mask but when it was stolen/destroyed, they decided to make a better one that would further challenge the Goddesses power.
11:46 The divine prank happened because Zelda couldn't undo the seal on the Holyland being broken and the Tri-Force dispersing to protect itself. Yes, even with the magic of time reversal (probably due to some order of manipulation). That's pretty much it. Ganon had the Tri-Force piece of power hidden within him and tapped into it when he was driven to near death. That's why he hadn't used it before then to escape, or do anything really. He was unaware it was there, because the time manipulation altered the way the event occurred, but not its initial repercussions.
Great duo! Bandit you've grown massive since you first dropped an upload congrats on the big changes also Adam your intro is soooooo good man. It's more iconic if not hauntingly beautiful, I'd say than your last!
"Twili are not an old enough race" yea, unless they happen to be the Zonai. Maybe the Zonai were their ancestors, maybe the zonai made the mask, with its dragon and stone like designs
8:40 it could also have been because of the calamity 10,000 years ago, where it was still a war, and probably a scary/important time for people, so for the same reason as they would have done before the recent calamity, they could have started praying to hylia again.
I love to listen to all these theories because they are always things I never would have thought to even think about. I kind of like Bandits theory that the masks are the same just changed over time. It does make a lot of sense. I haven't played the old games again for a very long time so I can't really say what I think. I can only go off the information you both provided. It seems though that one thing is for sure that MM came from the Twilight realm we just don't know if its unique or if it formed into something new.
I think the answers to bandit's issues with the twili not being around long enough is pretty simple, especially since we know they were trapped in the twilight realm long before ocarina of time: if they came from the sheikah, it'd be an ancient splinter faction. The eye's even inverted like the yiga symbol! As for the gerudo symbol, it's likely there as visual language to show his connection to ganondorf. His outfit isn't shown to change between the cutscene where he meets ganondorf and the present, but I'd be inclined to pin that on how much extra effort building a second model for a couple seconds of cutscene would be
Another thing to consider with the idea of the Twili being the creators of Majora's Mask is how Zant turns Midna into her imp form, you could classify that as a hex of sorts.
Zant having the Gerudo symbol is easily explained, its there to forshadoe he works for Ganondorf. Veran and Onox both wear it and work for Twinrova in the oracle games.
Hey hey hey! I bet you didn't think about this, but maybe the sheika tribe are the real villains in the series? Their symbols are found all over the place and on masks and weapons of power. I wouldn't be surprised if in a change of leadership at some point an ancient sheika leader twisted the goddesses words by convincing the other members of the tribe to make weapons of power, but was stopped by the hero of *********.
On the 3rd theory on the resurgence of Hylia worship is interesting. Worship can be different for people over time being a very devoted believer to questioning its origin but it never really stops to be part of history. All that can be known is more devoted believers started to look to Hylia. It is also known that Zedla’s mother was to teach Zelda about her divine power so the worship of Hylia definitely grew before the events of the calamity and may been reinforced by finding the statues when searching for the guardians.
I think the Hylia worship increased because before the great calamity, a version of Zelda probably awakened to her powers and moved around massive chunks of land to seal Ganon away. And I believe that’s why the BOTW map lines up only partially with any of the previous Zelda game maps.
Twili are a group of different races which got banished to Twilight realm in different points in time; Shadow Temple in OOT implies that Shiekah were chased and banished by the royal family of Hyrule after the succession wars before the events of OOT due to their fear of power being snatched by them. In Twilight Princess, it is implied that the interlopers, ones who possessed "evil magic abilities" were also banished into the twilight realm, which could've been some rebellious Sheikah like Yiga long after in future, ones who rebelled against the royal family. It is also strongly implied that after Ganondorf was caught, his people the Gerudo were also banished in Twilight realm ; the reason why there's no Gerudo during TP can be this, and we also know how royal family keeps banishing Sheikah from time to time because of their distrust, like in oot tp and even a thousand and a hundred years before botw, the reason why Yiga exists. Pretty sure that Twili are the cultural and physical evolution of Sheikah and Gerudo collectively, which together are referenced as "interlopers" and are even possibly tied to "Zonai" of botw.
I apologise for the negativity I just wanted to point these out: 2:25 "Species in the Zelda universe never really seem to go extinct." There are leviathan bones all over BoTW's map that beg to differ. And since there are other species (Zonai) that we can't say didn't go extinct, since we know so little about them. 3:05 "We do know they are not the ancestors of Gorons, for instance, since Gorons are proven to already be a species in the events of Skyward Sword." The Rito and Zora... would like a word lol. Also, who says the Mogma have to not be around in order [for some] to turn into Gorons.
so in the majora's mask manga there is a little side story on how the mask was created. if you take that as canon, it explains how it was made, but it was supposed to be used for good. the ancient tribe used it for evil rituals; and according to some cultures, objects can take a life of their own after a long period of time.
Mayhap the Interlopers were the same group who created Majora's Mask, and then when they were exiled to the Twilight Realm they re-created it with the Fused Shadow, including symbols of power they discovered in Hyrule. Like, they came from Termina/possibly Ikana, and that's WHY they're called Interlopers. They weren't ever from Hyrule and were trying to steal the power of the single most important Hylian artifact. We also know that the Sheikah Eye exists in Termina in MM, so possibly it's presence in Termina reaches back to around the time the Interlopers traveled to Hyrule in the first place. The Sheikah Eye could also have been added to attempt to control the power summoned in their rituals, as we've seen the Sheikah use and control dark powers. Zant wearing a gerudo symbol is easily explained - he took it from Ganondorf, his new god. It's standard heraldry for a servant to wear their master's symbol.
In the case of the resurgence of Hylia worship in BoTW's Hyrule, I always figured it had to do with the equal resurgence of the Sheikah and their more prominent role in that time. As established in Skyward Sword, the Sheikah are effectively Hylia's mortal agents, and they went from serving her to serving the Royal Family that carried Hylia's bloodline. My assumption was always that the Sheikah never stopped worshipping Hylia, and when thousands of years later their technology became widespread in a bid to calculate and control Ganon's regeneration cycles, so too did their religion of old.
I betting the resurgence of the worship of Hylia is due to excavation of the ancient artifacts. It could be the Hylia was just about forgotten in exchange for the more prominent and more well known The Golden Three. After all even the Golden Three also seem to blip off the radar towards the end of the timeline. It could also be a kind of hierarchy pantheon where you have Hylia who rules them all, then the Golden 3 rule over a variety of aspects and then the 6 six sages that reincarnate to help keep Hyrule running.
The "Divine Prank" is actually a Mistake made by Link and Zelda: Link took the Triforce Piece of Courage back to the past causing the Triforce there to shatter before it could even be touched by Ganon and causes one of the pieces to get sent back to the future. Link basically uptained the Triforce of Courage before Ganon could uptain the Triforce of Power and this resulted him to get the Triforce of Power because of fate
A thought on the Hylia situation: She is worshipped more prominently in Skyward Sword because the people of Skyloft are more directly influenced by her lifetime. She's the reason why Skyloft exists, after all, and Skyloft is rather separated from the rest of Hyrule. When the Hylians return to the surface and there is more interaction between them and other species, it makes more sense that the focus would be less on Hylia (something of a minor God) and moreso on the Golden Goddesses, who are responsible for the creation fo the entire world itself. Other species probably recognize the Golden Goddesses, as well, as they relate the Hyrule as a whole, not just the Hylians. Now, why she returns as a main figure in BotW I believe could just be a passage of time and the change of religion. Its obvious that so much time has passed by the time we get to Breath of the Wild, so the creation myth could have fallen into obscurity, the dragons being the only remnants of their names. The history of Hylia and the Hylian's understanding of the reincarnation cycle could have shifted their attention back to her specifically. Discovering the Forgotten Temple is probably a key to that as well.
I always believe the theory that the tribes from Ikana build the stone tower to reach their heavens (like the tower of babel) but instead led them to a portal leading to the desert (all the while thinking they reached the heavens) where Twinmold eventually resides. This desert connects to the gerudo desert and that is how they entered Hyrule. This is of course linked to the idea of Termina being a mirror universe of sorts. And Link entered this place by going through the corridor in between the woods and the clocktower which was a portal on its own
But the Interloper War took place in the Unified Timeline, between the time periods of The Minish Cap and Ocarina of Time. The Dark Interlopers can't have "gotten their hands on Majora's Mask" in the Child Timeline if they had already been sealed in the Twilight Realm centuries beforehand.
Actually, on Submission 4 (in fact, something that you've constantly brought up regarding the 'divine prank' on Ganondorf across multiple videos) Ganondorf ALREADY HAD the Triforce of Power. At the end of Ocarina of Time, the Triforce was already split with Link already having the Triforce of Courage (as shown on his hand in the post-credits scene) so, Zelda and Ganondorf already had their respective shards of the Triforce as well, but at that point in time, only LINK knew about it while Ganondorf & Zelda didn't because Link kept his memories while he was set back to BEFORE he met Zelda in the garden. So when Ganondorf's execution came around, no one knew until the death blow was dealt and that's when the Triforce of Power kicked in and saved him. That's why the Sages referred to it as a 'divine prank' because no one knew Ganondorf had it so it was a sort of cruel joke of fate
The stone tower, from Majora's Mask, flips upside down, and has a portal like structure at the top (or bottom?). The Yiga clan turns Sheikah symbols upside down, and possibly alters the eye symbol in other ways, for their own uses. The eye symbol on the back of the fused shadow looks like just an altered symbol. I think there is just enough information to suppose that the interlopers were Yiga. Add in the Majora's Mask information, and I can easily see the fused shadow being a reconstructed Majora's Mask, after Link destroyed it, by the Yiga.
There's nothing to suggest it in amy of the media, but I always read Crom (Fierce Deity) and Majora as being half brothers who were constantly at war with one another, with the moon being Crom's father, and Majora's father having been some kind of sun God who Crom would have killed in one of their many prior battles, also the Goddess of Time (or at least the Goddess of Time of Termina) is their mother which is why she couldn't just kill them, and so eventually turned to a group of sorcerers to have them bind the two Gods to masks, and then the Giants would have been left to tend to the battered and scorched earth, themselves being some kind of elemental spirits born from the terrains, while the sorcerers kept and used the masks for their "hexing rituals."
09:34 Like Steins;Gate, the Hyrulian world line was switched when Zelda and Link manipulated time. Even though Ganondorf was stopped in the future, that was now a new world line unconnected to the previous past. When Link went back to being a child, That Ganondorf was still a Worthy Vessel for the Triforce of Power. Him being stopped in the future did nothing to impact his worthiness for the Power piece, thusly, history was not altered enough to bring Hyrule to a world line where Ganondorf was no longer a threat. Even if Ganondorf wasn't almost executed, the Triforce of Power was guaranteed to become his because he will Always get it on that world line.
I hate to break the akkala soldier ghost theory, but I have seen the guy respawn. I saved the dude when I first went to the tower. Later, when I was about ready to go fight the calamity, I decided to go on one last ride around hyrule, just to take in the sights one more time. I came across him fighting his moblin again when I was coming down out of the akkala region on that last grand tour. Perhaps he doesn't respawn as often as other npcs, some of which will even respawn without a bloodmoon, but he does reappear.
I have make an argument against the statement made at 15:36. We actually don't know when the Twili were sealed away. We also don't know exactly when the Gerudo (First canonical appearance either as the sky people in Minish Cap or Ocarina of Time) or Shieka (First canonical appearance being Skyward Sword). However the Fused Shadow actually also remind me the design of the LD series in Skyward Sword. If these two cultures are connected then it could be that the Twili, Gerudo, Shieka, and the creators of the LD Robots where at, one point, one race that split up and became different cultures that evolved over time. Also the eye on the back of the mask actually reminds me more of the eye of Vaati in his spirit state. Honestly I think the Twili were banished back in the very first Triforce War between Demise and Hylia, with a few powerful members of the Twili escaping from time to time (Resulting in Majora, Vaati, Happy Mask Sales Men, ect.).
The thing about Majora's mask is that instead of just being an object of immense power like the fused shadow, it's nothing more than a mask that houses or used to house Majora. It's downright confirmed by the end of MM that the mask is completely powerless after you defeat Majora.
what if the zonai are the early twili explaining their disappearance? Powerful magic clothes that increase their strength (barbarian set/mm/fs), warlike people who would fight to claim the triforce, disappeared without a trace as an entire race(only thing close to that was hylia moving people to skyloft), eyes in their architecture(explaining possible shiekah twili connections), worshiping the most powerful being around them as a deity (farosh/ganon). It feels like the answer has always been there, its just too simple to accept.
Sheikah still technically existed in Twilight. There was a side of Sheikah that betrayed the king. I've always seen the Twili as the betrayers banished to another world.
In the last theory I believe the interlopers were shiekah ppl that defected from the shiekah that served the Royale family. They(interlopers) created Majora's mask in an attempt to steal the triforce and that's when they were banished to the twilight realm. These interlopers were banished with their knowledge and power. It's therefore possible that over the time they populated a whole nother realm they were able to create the fused shadow in likeness of Majora's mask. Infact the main interloper was probably Majora him/her self.
For the majora's mask connection to the fused shadow I pose that the Twili originate from a mixture of races primarily Sheikah & Gerudo they share cultural and physical traits of both, that eventually mutated through the energy of the Twilight realm and
Can you sometime do a theory video on who Makeela's (Riju's) father was? (In BOTW) I know there isn't a lot to go on, but it would be very interesting.
The Mask theory, and the Twili being connected to Garudo and Sheikah made me think of a Breath of the Wild theory: One tribe splits in three, like the Triforce, with a group following Wisdom (Sheikah) Power (Garudo, later into Yiga. SS even shows Groose, most likely ancestor, was ultimately a good guy and helper despite being a little bit of a bully/jerk. Like the Yiga in Age of Calamity…) and Courage.. but that group is missing. We wonder on Zonai or that green glowing magic in BoW2: It’s Twili, too courageous for their own good in the past they sought the Triforce, like Link inevitable does, but were not the fated recipients and got trapped and punished and the rest is history etc Heck, they probably asked for a pure or perfect world and were sent to a new realm, Twili, since ours can never be pure/perfect with Demise’s Curse out there!
I think Majora's Mask would be a Prototype to be used as a weapon, but because this Mask became Self Aware the Intelopers needed to Dump the Mask and make something new
In a way, Ganondorf could be thought of as tragically destined to fail in a similar manner to Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. In "standard" events, both are soundly defeated by the hero, that being the Hero of Time or the great-great grandson of Dio's nemesis Jonathan Joestar. In Ganondorf's case, this leads to his actual death in The Wind Waker and in Twilight Princess. What if the hero fails? The villain still falls. Ganondorf is killed in A Link to the Past, only to be brought back as a mindless beast to be used later on. In JoJo: Eyes of Heaven, story mode is quite literally, "What if Dio defeated Jotaro?" Well, in a twisted series of events, which include Dio becoming the strongest being in the multiverse, Dio...still falls to Jotaro. Whether they win or lose, the fate of Dio and Ganondorf is to be felled by the hero. It's kind of tragic, given what each goes through early in life.
Hey! I love your videos, but I’m not sure that the Nell theory is correct. If you spawn at the top of Akkala tower and build a fire at night Nell will show back up and give you a gift when you save him. I’m happy to send a video if you want.
In regards to Hylia having a resurgence in Hyrulian religion, maybe it was the consequences of the war that took place 10,000 years ago. During the original Calamity the people of Hyrule would've seen firsthand the raw divine power that possesses the princesses of the royal family. Previously the showdown between whatever plagues the kingdom happened away from the audience, but this time the action took place in a battlefield where the army, Champions and Guardians aided the heroes. The Sheikah themselves swore to protect the Goddess's mortal forms as stated in Skyward Sword, and continued to uphold this practice even after the Kingdom turned their backs on them for their technological advancements. For all we know the people of Hyrule had began to speculate on the existence of a fourth Goddess after seeing Zelda's powers or the Sheikah may have confirmed it. These may be faulty guesses but its fun to theorize :) There is so many ways to look into the idea of Hylia being reintroduced into Hyrulian mythos that many theories or headcanons can be discussed!
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@@jimmicks8185 facts iv been waiting for the zeldatubers to pronounce hateno right i don't think that will happen lol say it with me (ha-te-no) not (ha-tay-no) ....smh
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Question: Is there a certain place where we can submit theories or can we just comment it on youtube for instance?
Don't forget NAIL has a lantern
Dude, your videos have just continued to get better over the years. My god. Great job on this one, thanks so much for having me on. And thank you to everyone who submitted their theories! So much fun
What's up Bandit?!!
Why thank you
Huh I’m the second reply
That goes for the both of ya's. Good stuff
You chose a good new name Bandit
The interlopers don’t have to be the entire Sheikah or Gerudo races banished to the twilight realm. They could be specifically a group (made up of Sheikah, Gerudo, or both) that was banished and then the rest of them weren’t involved in the bad stuff that got the interlopers banished. The Sheikah have been around since the beginning of the timeline (in Skyward Sword, where Impa is from the past when Demise was first sealed). The Sheikah as a race ARE old enough to be the ancestors to the Twili, and it would fit nicely with BotW’s lore the Sheikah were prone to having disputes and splits throughout their history before the Yiga
The fact the the Interlopers are referred to as a non specific "Tribe" with no mention of 2 very well known and iconic groups make it unlikely for the Interlopers to be either. They are treated as a singular group. It's unlikely the Tribe is made up of 2 separate groups. Connections to either the Shiekah or Gerudo are most likely coincidental.
Remember zent worshiped Gannon as a god.
This my belief
If everyone in Hyrule has a counterpart in Termina, and we know that Majora's Mask appears to have some level of sentience, couldn't it be possible that Majora's Mask IS Termina's version of the Fused Shadow? They have similar backstories, similar powers, similar freaky eye-designs on the front... Of course, the only problem with this is that the Happy Mask Salesman had Majora's Mask in Hyrule when it was stolen by the Skull Kid, but theoretically, it is still possible that he had already been to Termina once and obtained it there, as he never explicitly states where he got it in the first place... Just throwing out what's probably an outrageous theory here...
Went to Termina, got the mask, and the mask manipulated Skull Kid into jumping the Happy Mask Salesman so it could go back to Termina to wreak havoc? Hmm, plausible.
The happy mask salesman did not get the mask from termina. Termina was found after the skull kid had stolen the mask.
@@MSFVIDS The theory still makes sense, Majora's mask could've been Hyrule's counterpart of the fused shadow, I have not played the game and do not know who or what the fused shadow is so pardon me if I'm wrong, but they could be interchanged right?
Edit: I did a bit of research and I think this could've been very plausible since the fused shadow appears in Hyrule/Twightlight so, that gives me the conclusion that it could have worked out the other way around, Majora may be the terminal counterpart of the fused shadow.
My personal theory has always been that Majora's Mask is actually Lorule's equivalent to the Fused Shadow, Termina the equivalent to the Twilight Realm, and the Cult of Masks the equivalent to the Interlopers.
I always thought that the Mogmas left Hyrule and eventually became the Subrosians from oracle of seasons (another race that lives underground near lava). We never see them under their robes so for all we know they could also be mole people
That's a good idea. I don't know much of the Oracles content, but you could do some digging to find if there are any other hints that lead to this theory
You could also view the digging bandit (acrobandits I think) enemies from Minish Cap as a midway transition between the two. They’re more short and round like the Subrosians, but still live close to the surface and dig like Mogma
I love it when you guys both collab theories. It always makes my day.
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They really are great!
@@ElectricBlaze164 True
The dark interlopers were just a group people who mastered a certain kind of magic at least as far as true japanese translations go so it could have been a group of sheikah and gerudo that created the fused shadows. And only those responsible were banished to the twilight realm and became the twilight. It would explain both symbols being present.
I always found the theory that the interlopers were gerudo was weird because of the whole only one male is born every 100 years thing, but now I think it is possible because perhaps back then the gerudo were compromised equally of both voe and vai, and that the gerudo males becoming rare happened some time after the interloper war.
@@andresbarquin I think the Interlopers are both Gerudo and Sheikah and their descendants are hybrids of the two. As for the Gerudo being both male and female, there is a theory that the Wind Tribe in Minish Cap are the ancestors of the Gerudo as they all have red hair and may be a descendant of Groose the first Gerudo.
@@andresbarquin that makes alot of sense. Midna even says something about Zant not being chosen as ruler due to him having madness in his eyes like their ancestors. Which could mean gerudo males could have naturally been power Hungry and if you have gerudo having children with sheikah they would take on both traits over time. Zant wora the gerudo symbol possible to Ganondorfs influence or their were to different grouos of twili likes houses so to speak. As midna in her true form looks nothing like Zant. In fact she looks far more human like then Zant does.
For the Divine Prank, we know that Link has part of the Triforce in the very end of OoT which is barely visible when he relives the scene of meeting Zelda. This suggests the Triforce must have split already. It was less of a prank of the gods (though from the Sages perspective it would seem so) and more the Triforce's normal defense mechanism at play. It was likely that Ganondorf just didn't know he had it and activated its power through desperation.
This next part is just me being crazy, but we don't know how resetting Link's time with the ocarina works... it's not like playing the ocarina can return Link to a set point in time and allow him to keep in possession items that he hasn't recieved yet... unless it works like it does in MM. Also it may be possible that the Triforce is... not bound by a normal concept of time or the OoT isn't powerful enough to effect the Triforce. For example, even though time rewinds, the Triforce doesn't "rewind" with them, it continues forward backwards. That is the Triforce stays with the chosen while they are rewound, but the Triforce itself doesn't come back together it stays apart bound to chosen. The Triforce experiences the rewind the same way Link does. Though the Triforce seems to continue to exist in future for the same reason. The OoT can't actually send the Triforce through time so it also remains. Trying to apply the laws of time to the Triforce might just be impossible because of its divine nature. (Which might be why the timeline is tough to unravel. We try to apply logic and laws to things that might be above those laws.)
This is complicated, but I think the final time travel in OoT does put Link back in time with his memories of the future. Even if at this point, this is the future of another timeline. I don't really know how he was put there, but I remember he goes back inside of the Temple of Time, holding the Master Sword on its pedestal, but at a point before he got inside the Temple in the original timeline, because later we see him meeting the princess inside the castle, however the princess can't be here if he was sent back at a time he had already opened the Temple and pulled the Sword, because at this point Ganondorf had already attacked the castle and Impa and Zelda already fled from the citadel. So I think safe to assume he went back in time with items he didn't have back then.
That could apply to the Triforce. And I recall a very common theory explaining that Link going back in time and taking possession of his part of the Triforce splited the Triforce earlier in the Child Timeline, and his Triforce in the original timeline he just left broke with its possesser gone, explaining why we have to collect the Triforce of Courage pieces in the Wind Waker, in the Adult Timeline.
Sorry if I my sentences don't make sense, this is very complicated stuf, I'm not concentrated and English is not my native language.
@@geianimari65 Nah, your sentences are good.
I just thought of the weird possibility that the Triforce is split in the Child Timeline ending because the OoT couldn't undo that particular event similar to how it couldn't undo the freeing of the Giants in Majora. The Triforce exists outside of time and when the time line split occurs it stays in place relative to its timeline. Adult Timeline Triforce stays unaffected with only Link disappearing. But child timeline Triforce stays separated throughout the rewind because to the Triforce that event has already happened (in the same way Link also sees the event as having happened). The OoT just simply can't put the Triforce back together again because the Triforce isn't bound by the laws of time. The Triforce was separated and hasn't been brought back together in the intended way so it stays with the chosen despite for everyone including Link (though he is aware of it) time was reset to before the separation.
The name "dark interlopers" has always felt like a hint to me that skews in favor of a connection. Interloper can be defined as "One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity." If the interlopers came from Termina, their name is evident as they don't belong in Hyrule in the first place, attempting to take control of its Golden Power. This also connects really nicely to the Triforce symbols that are found in Ikana, which show that some tribe that lived in Termina did indeed have knowledge of it - the same one, seemingly, that created a statue of Majora in the Stone Tower Temple, and opened a gateway to a dimension seemingly linked to the demon inside that temple.
My theory about the divine prank is that the Triforce transcends time. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power like normal, but then despite the time manipulation, he still had it. He wasn't aware he had it up until the execution which is where it kicked in and saved him. This would also explain how Link, Zelda, and their descendents have their pieces despite the Door of Time having never been opened in the timeline where Link was sent back to his childhood. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on my theory!
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The entierty of BOTW’s story during the game is told from Kass’ perspective. It’s not immediately evident right away but soon becomes quite clear during the DLC. This would explain the story being so fragmented, because it is told through song and from memory by Kass. And legends throughout history are often told through song or poem. Kass was around for BOTW so he would be able to recount the events and insert himself into certain parts of the story. I think it would be interesting to delve into this. Maybe some of the story points would make a little more sense if looked at from Kass’ perspective. It would also be interesting to delve into who his teacher was.
The Gerudo mark on Zant is because Ganondorf played a god figure to him. I don't think the gerudo's got anything to do with the people of the twilight realm until Ganondorf came through.
As far as the sheikas being involved with the Twilight & Majora's Mask. I feel like that part is true.
We've seen the sheikah's going evil before, like with BOTW.
Who'se to say that these "interlopers" wouldn't be a select handful of corrupted sheikah that wanted to dominate the sacred realm using the Fused Shadow, a creation from a type of dark magic that they shouldn't have been digging into, and because of that, they got banished to a different realm for being taken in by the "Dark Magic."
As far as Majora's mask being made before the fused shadow & Interlopers. I feel like that part is true.
My thought is that the being "Majora" who'se had beef with the fierce deity was perhaps the beginning of the whole sheikah-to-interloper fiasco as a way to try to get a 1-up over the Goddesses behind the scenes. To have itself turned into a mask, I feel like it was in agreement with an association to Demise (or one of his henchmen, like perhaps one that disguises itself as the Masked Salesman) This way, Majora can be hidden, and corrupt the sheikah race ( one of Demise's enemies being that they were the guardians for Hylia herself. )
We already know that the sheikah are the best at creating technology, so perhaps the corrupted sheikah-turned-interlopers developed the fused shadow with the inspiration of Majora's mask to take control over the sacred realm. But once they failed, and the goddesses intervened, the mask was taken away from them to be hidden around the world (in the hands of the masked salesman) so that's why over the years, the people of twili aren't all that evil.
It could also make sense as to why the goddesses ordered the three light spirits to seal away the magic, rather than straight up killing them. Then again, I don't think they've ever killed anything now that I think about it, but because despite being interlopers, they're still the Goddesses guardians.
But of course, it's just the beauty and mystery of LOZ. Just like how there is a upside-down triforce on the eyebrows of Majora's Mask.
That was my thought as well, that because of Ganon Zant would have symbols that were meaningful to him.
Here’s a minor mystery for you I haven’t seen anywhere else as far as I know.
If you go a little northwest from the Spring of Power in BotW, you’ll find a slope leading up Death Mountain with a surprising amount of enemies, namely Lizalfos and Fire Chuchus. Get to the top and the slope becomes a series of cliffs with some Pebblits on the ledges. Halfway up, you’ll find a ruined stone structure with ruined walls and stairs leading up to a platform.
I was curious about it for a while since it looked like a lookout spot. But looking out for what? If you look out the window to the right, you can make out island on Lake Akkala and the roads leading to the Citadel but not the Citadel itself since it’s blocked by Death Mountain. If you look dead ahead out of the window on the opposite side of the stairs, you can see the East Akkala Stable, the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab and the roads between them. One thing to note, is that if you look at Death Mountain from the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab, it’s just about impossible to spot this structure.
Now go further up the mountain. Here’s a building with the layout of the soldier garrisons and outposts we see, mostly ruined, with hardened lava having rushed in through broken sections of the walls.
Here’s the question. Why is there a lookout and garrison that can’t be spotted in this little hidden spot on the mountain? It can’t be to monitor Death Mountain. You’d pick a safer spot. To keep an eye on any soldiers marching from Akkala Citadel? Maybe, but why only when they’re marching north and not the citadel itself?
Given that you can spot the Tech Lab but you can’t see either the lookout or garrison from the Tech Lab, I think it’s possible that the royal family was keeping an eye on the lighthouse.
We don’t know who operated it before Robbie did, but maybe it was more Sheikah. And given how far away it is from central hyrule, maybe they feared the Sheikah were covertly operating behind the royals backs, thus leading to spies being placed on Death Mountain to keep a faraway eye on things. I can’t imagine they were there for protecting the lighthouse, given they’d have to descend the volcano and cross the Akkala valley and again, the citadel is just down the road.
Even the idea they might have been watching for invaders by sea falls a bit short in my mind given how obscured the sea is by Tumlea Heights and Death Mountain.
Thats is interesting will have to check it out myself
This was another amazing video! Bandit games and hyrule gamer! What a collab for this amazing series
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We've talked about this a little bit, but I want to know, what did Mido *actually* do in the fallen timeline to get a town named after him?
I believe the happy mask salesman is very deceiving in what he says and who he claims to be. I think he has some dark secrets and something to do with the majoras mask that we don’t know about.
2:37 I thought they specifically took that appearance for Link to feel like one of them?
I think the Mogma evolved into the Subrosians.
The mogma were quoted to love staying down in their lair all day and relaxing. I think they were supposed to help subdue ganon but instead faked their own deaths somehow (or just simply hid their identities) and stayed underground out of guilt and survival. And the Subrosians also live in an underground lair. And are very secretive about their identities.
Nell is a ghost. The lantern, which is associated with ghosts throughout the series, is a........DEAD GIVEAWAY!
it’s always so great to see Adam and Jordan in each other’s videos, I get whiplash whenever they collab 😂 and these are great theories! I’ve got nothing to add, but wow, Nell’s story caught me by surprise. I had no idea they don’t respawn after blood moons. completely unrelated, but I have a small headcanon that Link sees remnants of people’s memories in the places he visits, maybe as a weird side effect of spending a century in the Shrine of Resurrection and having to recover his own memories through photos in the Sheikah Slate. so if he were to go to the Akkala Citadel, he’d see flashes of soldiers laughing and eating together, training under the harsh sun, and grieving and fighting as they held their last stand. I need to replay this game, I miss it already
That's a nice theory, about Link seeing memories when he visits a place.
Do you see it more like, he sees ghosts, or like, he remembers his own memories of the location ?
@@geianimari65 more on the route where he sees ghosts, almost like holograms of people who were there. his visions would have the scenery restored to how they were when the memory took place, and he could just see short glimpses of moments those people shared. they wouldn’t be able to see him, Link’s visions would be like the memories in-game, where he’d sort of re-enact events in his mind, except he’s actually seeing them and not just closing his eyes and remembering
Imagine fighting calamity Ganon over and over for 100 year without a single game over (death).
No wonder Zelda was really wanting link to hurry up
Yellow fur, orange noses, blue mask-like markings around their eyes, tendency to dig and pop out of holes in the dirt, affinity for stealing things... to me it's always been a mini theory that the Mogma became Minish Cap's AcroBandits at some point in their evolution
The Ghost soldier theory is very neat and well grounded with what little is given. I approve.
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1. *"What happened to the Magmas?"*
Despite their name, I actually doubt they are actually native to Elden. My reason for this is that they are Treasure Hunters and traveled to Elden Volcano in search of treasure. Perhaps they left for elsewhere long before the Gorons moved in.
3. *"Hylia worship"*
The first appearance of the Hylia Goddess Statue is actually Zelda II, The Adventure of Link so Hylia was created before Skyward Sword. There's also Lake Hylia and the "Goddess of Time" in Majora's Mask.
This doesn't actually answer the question of Hylia vs 3 Goddess Worship but the existence of the Goddess Statue in Zelda II is an indication that Hylians worshipped Hylia at the time while the very concept IRL of the Three Golden Goddesses wasn't a thing until A Link to the Past.
4. *"Divine Prank"*
My interpretation of the divine prank is that when the Hero of Time was Sent back in time, he had the Triforce of Courage. However, when he was sent back in time, the Triforce of Courage from the Unified/Adult Timeline didn't go back with him and shattered into 8 pieces as a consequence. When Link arrived in the Child Timeline, he automatically gained the Triforce of Courage from the Child Timeline because he was supposed to have the Adult Timeline version. And since Link automatically gained the Child Timeline's Triforce of Courage, Zelda automatically received it's Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf automatically received it's Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf only found out he had it when sometime after his execution and imprisonment into the Twilight Realm after accidentally using it's power upon dying from being lethally impaled by the Sage's Sword out of desperation of refusing to die.
It's still a consequence of Zelda but it's not really a divine prank or some punishment. Merely the consequence of cause and effect.
Side Note:
*"…like the Zora race becoming the Rito…"*
…sigh…
I'll say it again: Only Medli's family seems to have Zora blood in her veins as there is another Rito in the Wind Waker who descended from the Running man, therefore has Hylian Blood running through his veins. Therefore, Medli descending from the Zora is not proof that then entire race Rito descended from the Zora.
According to Eiji Aonuma and the Ocarina of Time Manga, the Rito existed by the time of Ocarina of Time, the Manga being the very first appearance of the Rito.
9:35 I believe when Link went back in time, he has the Triforce of Courage and by that logic splits the triforce up in the child timeline which Young Zelda would of gotten Triforce of Wisdom and sadly Ganondorf getting the Triforce of Power, just for Zelda and Ganondorf, the Triforce lay dormant inside of them until a certain time passed.
I rather think it stays dormant until the bearers have a trigger that activate its power. For Ganondorf in TP, it was being killed, for Link it was being dragged into the Twilight, and Zelda maybe the Twilight too. In OoT, Zelda/Sheik does willingly activate the Triforce by revealing their identity to Link, but we don't know how they triggered it in the first place. I don't remember how Link finds out he has a part of the Triforce. As fI don't remember for Ganondorf, but either he triggers it in the final battle, when his castle is destroyed and he turns into Ganon, so when he gets killed again, or he triggered it prior but I don't know how.
I always love colab videos especially with BanditGames
I posted my theory in the last video, but here it is again incase you decide to feature it next time:
The Zora in the Downfall Timeline are savage and violent because they isolated themselves from Hylians. This could be because to seal Ganon away after Link died, it cost the Six Sages their lifeforce so it meant Ruto died. The Zora blamed the Hylians for this and isolated themselves, degressing into the Savahe River Zora. This could be likely as we saw how spiteful the Zora got in Breath of the Wild after Mipha's death so maybe the same thing could have happened for the Downfall Timeline.
I remember ages ago someone noticing the sheika eye on the fused shadow, and proposing the Interlopers were defectors (like the Yiga) from the sheika. Perhaps some ancient Gerudo were also part of that. Anyway, I've always been of the mind that the Twighlight realm itself is what turned the Interlopers from Hylian appearing to the Twili. Untold centuries in the darkness would cause mutations and evolution into an entirely new race.
I like the idea that the Fused Shadow is a manifestation of Majora's power. I like that it adds mystery to the mask rather than solve any!
I would still love to see a theory done on the happy mask salesman actually being giraheem
What ? I'm interested too ! What are your arguments ?
@@geianimari65 well garrahim was known to perform hexing rituals it was never confirmed that he died alongside demise the happy mask salesman has a very similar personality traits to garrahim and the happy mask salesman is in possession of a mask that was used in rituals that is the short version of my argument I'm still looking into it gathering more information but I feel there's a solid chance I could be right
@@XBANGARANGX It's true that we never actually witnessed Ghirahim functionally die. We do see Demise absorbing him inside his sword, but as Fay frequently gets in and out of the Master Sword it really means nothing. Then we see the sword disappearing when Demise is defeated, but we don't know what it means either.
Not mentioning this happens in another timeline and that there is another Ghirahim somewhere roaming free, BUT I should explain the other timeline theory and it's long. I explained it in my own comment if it interests you tho.
For the rest, I don't think the Happy Masks Salesman and Ghirahim are anythnig similar whatsoever. Maybe your arguments are very personal feelings about it, but maybe by some digging you could find some consistent hint to your theory.
@@geianimari65 yes and I have been digging for anything that can conclusively connect Ghirahim and the happy mask salesman and majora mask is the most likely connection but not a definitive connection
@@geianimari65 and the reason I say that is because I'm looking into who thought twinrova there magic
The theories, ideas, concepts and speculations make my day always. Thanks for the Work!
Well...I would like to add my little speculation too. My theory about why we won't see darknuts in BoTW2 in just a few sentences:
Worldbuilding-wise the Zelda community has collected enough data to conclude that darknuts seem to be some kind of creation, sometimes dog demon shaped, sometimes humanoid. The creators are a grey area tho. I would suggest the shiekah to fill this role. Darknuts seem to be elite knights programmed to protect sakred relics therefore they might have been created to aid the royal Family and the shiekah in their Quests. In BoTW this role is filled out by the Guardians. Maybe the shiekah thought machines would be better than an elite knight type life form but it seems Ganon teached them again....
What does that mean for BoTW2?
It is unlikely that darknuts will appear as the life form that we see in minish cap, ww, or twilight princess. I would highlight the idea of cyborg/android type darknuts maybe in the image of the pirate boi as seen in ss as an alternative.
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One thing I did find interesting was the Twili's prophecy about the Sacred Beast and the Hero of Time. It definitely isn't a coincidence that he would leave howling stones around the map, entrusted his arsenal to the different races, that he himself can transform into a wolf, and that the Twili had a prophecy about a Sacred Beast that can save them.
To add to that, we see that Link's wolf mode happens when in contact with Twilight while having the Triforce of Courage, so it leads one to believe that the Hero of Time, since he had the Triforce of Courage coming back to the Child Timeline, at some point came into contact with the Twili, leading to the prophecy since he would've been transformed into a wolf there. He probably foresaw a conflict between light and shadow and began giving his bow and stuff to different races and leaving Howling Stones for his descendants just in case. Idk just my thoughts since it sounds kinda cool
the interlopers made Majora's Mask, the Twili are the descendants of that tribe. hey, maybe it was also the interlopers that fought against the Ikana Kingdom and the creators of the stone tower.
Theory, following up on Majoras mask being made by the twili (more so some evidence presented in that subject) what if the twili aren’t a race of their own originally, but rather a cult-ish group, made up of a some people from a few different races, this would explain the sheikah and Gerudo imagery and such, and they could, through time spent in the twilight realm and the natural progression of races combining would explain them becoming their own race as well
Personally I've never really liked the whole "Twili created Majora's Mask" theory. I think aside from very general similarities of them being powerful mask/helmet and the small detail of the eyes (which really isn't that strong of a connection) there isn't much to back it up. Also, despite the similarities of the eyes, nothing else between the two styles matches at all. Majora's mask is very colorful and tribalist while the Fused Shadow and other Twili constructed things have a very geometric, monotone design that is completely different. I think it's much more likely that Majora's Mask was simply created by a yet unknown group in the series that we've never seen before.
it could be, that because of Majora's power and the Interloper's history of trying to abuse powerful magical artifacts
maybe the reason why the fused shadow has these weird similarties is because the Interlopers tried to imitate Majora's Mask...
tried to get a weapon that works in the style of the mask
but let's be real, the fused shadow while pretty powerful is nothing compared to the mask, the mask was capable of pulling entire celestial bodies out of the sky, and creating sub-dimensions (the moon-fields, and maybe even Termina itself) while only having control over a fairly weak host
I personally don't see similarities between Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow.
And I'm part of the people who think Termina is a dream, allowing to connect the Mask and the Twili without it to have any incidence in the lore which is very convenient. Although it's not the main goal of the dream theory.
2.) I always just thought that Nell either was wearing armor that had been passed down in his family for generations…or he had purchased in in Hateno Village, just like Link did.
3.) An interesting point, here. The UA-camr, Gaijin Goomba did a video on Christian imagery in the LoZ series. the odd thing is that pretty much all instances occur in what we all now know of as the "Fallen Hero Timeline." I made a joke comment on it that, maybe, with the Hero defeated & that timeline being an especially hard time for Hyrule, the People of Hylia decided to abandon the old gods they felt had abandoned them and looked for another who might heal their suffering.
4.) The thing to remember here is that the powers of the Triforce (and each subsequent piece) is completely without any moral compass. Even though these are shards of the power of the goddesses of Hyrule's creation, the ability to use the Triforce is amoral, in the literal sense of the term. It's theoretically possible that the "Divine Prank" may be to keep a balance of that power, but it still seems just a case of fate that the three people are just destined to play, not matter how they try to fight it.
5.) It could also be that the tribe that created Majora's Mask may even either be from the Interlopers, themselves, or a precursor to them, a tribe that inspired them.
I have a theory that's not about lore, but behind the scenes stuff. The dev team are trying to erase the Kokiri, even from the lore. Even though the Koroks are supposed to be a sort of evolved form of them, they're a very different species, much like the Zora and the Rito, who BOTH returned in BOTW despite this fact. Every other race, besides certain enemies, were in BOTW. Even the Minish were planned to be in BOTW, but the Kokiri were left behind, their only reappearance being a single ghost form of one in WW. In the lore of OoT and WW, the reason every Link wore a green tunic was because he grew up with the Kokiri. Then, in SS, this was retconned to be that it was his training class or whatever that was why he had worn the green tunic. Even though OoT is a major point in history for The Legend Of Zelda, and many other aspects of the game are shown in one form or another, the Kokiri are ignored by the dev team. This is a huge disappointment to me because I love the Kokiri and would love to see Saria interact with a reincarnation of Link. They're a missed opportunity if you ask me.
Seeing UA-camrs collab makes me so happy. Especially when it’s about Zelda 😍😍
I think the twilight realm plays a bigger part in there series than we realize. The place itself has been there as long as Hyrule has, whether inhabited or not. Maybe lowrule and twili are connected, maybe (modern) monsters are influenced by the twilight realm, or are darkness leaking into Hyrule at dusk, or even the change in races/ disappearance or races are because of it. I'm not sure how or what the twilight realm is in relation to Hyrule, but it's hard to believe the events in tp are the only ones where twilight mixes with light, especially considering the mirror in botw. Some of these are more likely than others, but I know the twilight realm is a big puzzle piece in the ever expanding lore and mysteries that is legend of Zelda
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@@HyruleGamer Here's a theory; The cursed swordsman tablet in Hyrule castle's graveyard(from twilight princess) is referring to the hero's shade's grave, or at least where he was supposed to be buried. "The cursed swordsman lies under the sacred tree..." it would make sense if he was cursed, and that's why he's in the form of a skeleton, rather than what he looked like when he died.
Great video as always! Love seeing these theories!
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Just moved to Japan and totally missed my 2 favorite Zeldatubers collabing(I love many Zeldatubers but I get extra excited seeing you guys uploading)
There's a hylia statue in Zelda II. I think it's just called a trophy, but it definitely has the right shape and size to be a model for the statues we see in the different towns.
The Divine Prank happened because Link brought his triforce of courage with him when he was sent back. According to the lore if one is claimed then the other two seek out barers.
Thank you for continually making fantastic content. I love your channel! You showed me how awesome the zelda community is and like im glad im here
11:00 ~ You could also have a alternative interpretation that, instead of a "divine prank", it was the direct consequence of Zelda's actions.
The Link she sent back was in possession of the Triforce of Courage. The seal of the Sacred Realm dictates that once one gets the triforce they're more compatible with, the other two would automatically go to the ones more compatible too.
So, by sending Link back, Zelda inadvertently triggered the Triforce's protection mechanism and gave Ganondorf the Triforce of Power!
Okay, where the freaking HELL did the Hylia statue go in 7:26?
I love the lore of these games and putting together the pierces of this puzzle. I was so excited to see this upload.
I have always found it interesting how many guardians are in the Forgotten Temple: and wonder if it’ll be a dungeon entrance in BotW 2. Sending so many of his mechanical death spiders to this FORGOTTEN temple suggests that it has special significance to Ganon, despite no longer holding any for the Hylians. In the trailer of the sequel we see them having to travel a great distance underground to wherever they find Ganon, which appears to be under the castle. Maybe the entrance to these caves will be located under or past what we see of the Forgotten Temple ruins in BotW.
I also got thinking about Majora’s mask and it’s possible connection to the Twili. Since the mask was created before the Twili’s banishment, I agree that it may have been made by their ancestors. Before creating the fused shadow they may have created the mask but when it was stolen/destroyed, they decided to make a better one that would further challenge the Goddesses power.
Awesome HG and Bandit in the house. Good video. Good theories again. All solid. See ya Gentlemen.
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11:46 The divine prank happened because Zelda couldn't undo the seal on the Holyland being broken and the Tri-Force dispersing to protect itself. Yes, even with the magic of time reversal (probably due to some order of manipulation). That's pretty much it. Ganon had the Tri-Force piece of power hidden within him and tapped into it when he was driven to near death. That's why he hadn't used it before then to escape, or do anything really. He was unaware it was there, because the time manipulation altered the way the event occurred, but not its initial repercussions.
Great duo! Bandit you've grown massive since you first dropped an upload congrats on the big changes also Adam your intro is soooooo good man. It's more iconic if not hauntingly beautiful, I'd say than your last!
Cheers mate!
Personally, I think the Subrosians from Holodrum and the Acro-Bandits from “Minish Cap” are the descendants of the Mogma.
"Twili are not an old enough race" yea, unless they happen to be the Zonai. Maybe the Zonai were their ancestors, maybe the zonai made the mask, with its dragon and stone like designs
8:40 it could also have been because of the calamity 10,000 years ago, where it was still a war, and probably a scary/important time for people, so for the same reason as they would have done before the recent calamity, they could have started praying to hylia again.
I love to listen to all these theories because they are always things I never would have thought to even think about. I kind of like Bandits theory that the masks are the same just changed over time. It does make a lot of sense. I haven't played the old games again for a very long time so I can't really say what I think. I can only go off the information you both provided. It seems though that one thing is for sure that MM came from the Twilight realm we just don't know if its unique or if it formed into something new.
I think the answers to bandit's issues with the twili not being around long enough is pretty simple, especially since we know they were trapped in the twilight realm long before ocarina of time: if they came from the sheikah, it'd be an ancient splinter faction. The eye's even inverted like the yiga symbol!
As for the gerudo symbol, it's likely there as visual language to show his connection to ganondorf. His outfit isn't shown to change between the cutscene where he meets ganondorf and the present, but I'd be inclined to pin that on how much extra effort building a second model for a couple seconds of cutscene would be
Another thing to consider with the idea of the Twili being the creators of Majora's Mask is how Zant turns Midna into her imp form, you could classify that as a hex of sorts.
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Zant having the Gerudo symbol is easily explained, its there to forshadoe he works for Ganondorf. Veran and Onox both wear it and work for Twinrova in the oracle games.
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I bet you didn't think about this, but maybe the sheika tribe are the real villains in the series? Their symbols are found all over the place and on masks and weapons of power. I wouldn't be surprised if in a change of leadership at some point an ancient sheika leader twisted the goddesses words by convincing the other members of the tribe to make weapons of power, but was stopped by the hero of *********.
When you mess with time it has a tendency to mess back.
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From a certain point of view.
In a Zelda video?!
Nerd overload!
On the 3rd theory on the resurgence of Hylia worship is interesting. Worship can be different for people over time being a very devoted believer to questioning its origin but it never really stops to be part of history. All that can be known is more devoted believers started to look to Hylia. It is also known that Zedla’s mother was to teach Zelda about her divine power so the worship of Hylia definitely grew before the events of the calamity and may been reinforced by finding the statues when searching for the guardians.
I think the Hylia worship increased because before the great calamity, a version of Zelda probably awakened to her powers and moved around massive chunks of land to seal Ganon away. And I believe that’s why the BOTW map lines up only partially with any of the previous Zelda game maps.
Absolutely love the speculation around Majora's Mask! Great job, on this guys. 🖤
Twili are a group of different races which got banished to Twilight realm in different points in time; Shadow Temple in OOT implies that Shiekah were chased and banished by the royal family of Hyrule after the succession wars before the events of OOT due to their fear of power being snatched by them. In Twilight Princess, it is implied that the interlopers, ones who possessed "evil magic abilities" were also banished into the twilight realm, which could've been some rebellious Sheikah like Yiga long after in future, ones who rebelled against the royal family. It is also strongly implied that after Ganondorf was caught, his people the Gerudo were also banished in Twilight realm ; the reason why there's no Gerudo during TP can be this, and we also know how royal family keeps banishing Sheikah from time to time because of their distrust, like in oot tp and even a thousand and a hundred years before botw, the reason why Yiga exists.
Pretty sure that Twili are the cultural and physical evolution of Sheikah and Gerudo collectively, which together are referenced as "interlopers" and are even possibly tied to "Zonai" of botw.
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I think the gorons kicked out the mogmas from eldon ngl
I apologise for the negativity I just wanted to point these out:
2:25 "Species in the Zelda universe never really seem to go extinct."
There are leviathan bones all over BoTW's map that beg to differ. And since there are other species (Zonai) that we can't say didn't go extinct, since we know so little about them.
3:05 "We do know they are not the ancestors of Gorons, for instance, since Gorons are proven to already be a species in the events of Skyward Sword."
The Rito and Zora... would like a word lol. Also, who says the Mogma have to not be around in order [for some] to turn into Gorons.
so in the majora's mask manga there is a little side story on how the mask was created. if you take that as canon, it explains how it was made, but it was supposed to be used for good. the ancient tribe used it for evil rituals; and according to some cultures, objects can take a life of their own after a long period of time.
Mayhap the Interlopers were the same group who created Majora's Mask, and then when they were exiled to the Twilight Realm they re-created it with the Fused Shadow, including symbols of power they discovered in Hyrule. Like, they came from Termina/possibly Ikana, and that's WHY they're called Interlopers. They weren't ever from Hyrule and were trying to steal the power of the single most important Hylian artifact. We also know that the Sheikah Eye exists in Termina in MM, so possibly it's presence in Termina reaches back to around the time the Interlopers traveled to Hyrule in the first place.
The Sheikah Eye could also have been added to attempt to control the power summoned in their rituals, as we've seen the Sheikah use and control dark powers.
Zant wearing a gerudo symbol is easily explained - he took it from Ganondorf, his new god. It's standard heraldry for a servant to wear their master's symbol.
Nell also carries a lantern which is often a sign of spirits in zelda. i can't remember other travellers having them (but my memory isnt the best)
In the case of the resurgence of Hylia worship in BoTW's Hyrule, I always figured it had to do with the equal resurgence of the Sheikah and their more prominent role in that time. As established in Skyward Sword, the Sheikah are effectively Hylia's mortal agents, and they went from serving her to serving the Royal Family that carried Hylia's bloodline. My assumption was always that the Sheikah never stopped worshipping Hylia, and when thousands of years later their technology became widespread in a bid to calculate and control Ganon's regeneration cycles, so too did their religion of old.
Submission 4: I think, time Manipulation isn't a Cheat. It's probably even intended. After all, in Skyward Sword Hylia herself manipulates time.
I betting the resurgence of the worship of Hylia is due to excavation of the ancient artifacts. It could be the Hylia was just about forgotten in exchange for the more prominent and more well known The Golden Three. After all even the Golden Three also seem to blip off the radar towards the end of the timeline. It could also be a kind of hierarchy pantheon where you have Hylia who rules them all, then the Golden 3 rule over a variety of aspects and then the 6 six sages that reincarnate to help keep Hyrule running.
I really like that Majora's Mask theory! I never caught the similarities.
The "Divine Prank" is actually a Mistake made by Link and Zelda:
Link took the Triforce Piece of Courage back to the past causing the Triforce there to shatter before it could even be touched by Ganon and causes one of the pieces to get sent back to the future.
Link basically uptained the Triforce of Courage before Ganon could uptain the Triforce of Power and this resulted him to get the Triforce of Power because of fate
If you look really closely during ganandorf's execution it is the triangle within the center on his hand that glows brighter the rest are faded
A thought on the Hylia situation: She is worshipped more prominently in Skyward Sword because the people of Skyloft are more directly influenced by her lifetime. She's the reason why Skyloft exists, after all, and Skyloft is rather separated from the rest of Hyrule. When the Hylians return to the surface and there is more interaction between them and other species, it makes more sense that the focus would be less on Hylia (something of a minor God) and moreso on the Golden Goddesses, who are responsible for the creation fo the entire world itself. Other species probably recognize the Golden Goddesses, as well, as they relate the Hyrule as a whole, not just the Hylians. Now, why she returns as a main figure in BotW I believe could just be a passage of time and the change of religion. Its obvious that so much time has passed by the time we get to Breath of the Wild, so the creation myth could have fallen into obscurity, the dragons being the only remnants of their names. The history of Hylia and the Hylian's understanding of the reincarnation cycle could have shifted their attention back to her specifically. Discovering the Forgotten Temple is probably a key to that as well.
I always believe the theory that the tribes from Ikana build the stone tower to reach their heavens (like the tower of babel) but instead led them to a portal leading to the desert (all the while thinking they reached the heavens) where Twinmold eventually resides. This desert connects to the gerudo desert and that is how they entered Hyrule. This is of course linked to the idea of Termina being a mirror universe of sorts. And Link entered this place by going through the corridor in between the woods and the clocktower which was a portal on its own
But the Interloper War took place in the Unified Timeline, between the time periods of The Minish Cap and Ocarina of Time. The Dark Interlopers can't have "gotten their hands on Majora's Mask" in the Child Timeline if they had already been sealed in the Twilight Realm centuries beforehand.
The mask was made during the war??? Not sure what your disputing
I think the Happy Mask Salesman was part of the tribe that made Majora's mask. Maybe thats why he knows so much about it.
Actually, on Submission 4 (in fact, something that you've constantly brought up regarding the 'divine prank' on Ganondorf across multiple videos) Ganondorf ALREADY HAD the Triforce of Power. At the end of Ocarina of Time, the Triforce was already split with Link already having the Triforce of Courage (as shown on his hand in the post-credits scene) so, Zelda and Ganondorf already had their respective shards of the Triforce as well, but at that point in time, only LINK knew about it while Ganondorf & Zelda didn't because Link kept his memories while he was set back to BEFORE he met Zelda in the garden. So when Ganondorf's execution came around, no one knew until the death blow was dealt and that's when the Triforce of Power kicked in and saved him. That's why the Sages referred to it as a 'divine prank' because no one knew Ganondorf had it so it was a sort of cruel joke of fate
The stone tower, from Majora's Mask, flips upside down, and has a portal like structure at the top (or bottom?). The Yiga clan turns Sheikah symbols upside down, and possibly alters the eye symbol in other ways, for their own uses. The eye symbol on the back of the fused shadow looks like just an altered symbol. I think there is just enough information to suppose that the interlopers were Yiga. Add in the Majora's Mask information, and I can easily see the fused shadow being a reconstructed Majora's Mask, after Link destroyed it, by the Yiga.
There's nothing to suggest it in amy of the media, but I always read Crom (Fierce Deity) and Majora as being half brothers who were constantly at war with one another, with the moon being Crom's father, and Majora's father having been some kind of sun God who Crom would have killed in one of their many prior battles, also the Goddess of Time (or at least the Goddess of Time of Termina) is their mother which is why she couldn't just kill them, and so eventually turned to a group of sorcerers to have them bind the two Gods to masks, and then the Giants would have been left to tend to the battered and scorched earth, themselves being some kind of elemental spirits born from the terrains, while the sorcerers kept and used the masks for their "hexing rituals."
09:34 Like Steins;Gate, the Hyrulian world line was switched when Zelda and Link manipulated time. Even though Ganondorf was stopped in the future, that was now a new world line unconnected to the previous past. When Link went back to being a child, That Ganondorf was still a Worthy Vessel for the Triforce of Power. Him being stopped in the future did nothing to impact his worthiness for the Power piece, thusly, history was not altered enough to bring Hyrule to a world line where Ganondorf was no longer a threat. Even if Ganondorf wasn't almost executed, the Triforce of Power was guaranteed to become his because he will Always get it on that world line.
I hate to break the akkala soldier ghost theory, but I have seen the guy respawn. I saved the dude when I first went to the tower. Later, when I was about ready to go fight the calamity, I decided to go on one last ride around hyrule, just to take in the sights one more time. I came across him fighting his moblin again when I was coming down out of the akkala region on that last grand tour. Perhaps he doesn't respawn as often as other npcs, some of which will even respawn without a bloodmoon, but he does reappear.
Crazy theory: the Zonai, the Twili, and the "Ancient Tribe" are the same people.
I have make an argument against the statement made at 15:36. We actually don't know when the Twili were sealed away. We also don't know exactly when the Gerudo (First canonical appearance either as the sky people in Minish Cap or Ocarina of Time) or Shieka (First canonical appearance being Skyward Sword). However the Fused Shadow actually also remind me the design of the LD series in Skyward Sword. If these two cultures are connected then it could be that the Twili, Gerudo, Shieka, and the creators of the LD Robots where at, one point, one race that split up and became different cultures that evolved over time. Also the eye on the back of the mask actually reminds me more of the eye of Vaati in his spirit state. Honestly I think the Twili were banished back in the very first Triforce War between Demise and Hylia, with a few powerful members of the Twili escaping from time to time (Resulting in Majora, Vaati, Happy Mask Sales Men, ect.).
The thing about Majora's mask is that instead of just being an object of immense power like the fused shadow, it's nothing more than a mask that houses or used to house Majora. It's downright confirmed by the end of MM that the mask is completely powerless after you defeat Majora.
It was never stated that the mask lost it's power. It said the evil has left the mask not the power.
what if the zonai are the early twili explaining their disappearance? Powerful magic clothes that increase their strength (barbarian set/mm/fs), warlike people who would fight to claim the triforce, disappeared without a trace as an entire race(only thing close to that was hylia moving people to skyloft), eyes in their architecture(explaining possible shiekah twili connections), worshiping the most powerful being around them as a deity (farosh/ganon). It feels like the answer has always been there, its just too simple to accept.
Sheikah still technically existed in Twilight. There was a side of Sheikah that betrayed the king. I've always seen the Twili as the betrayers banished to another world.
In the last theory I believe the interlopers were shiekah ppl that defected from the shiekah that served the Royale family. They(interlopers) created Majora's mask in an attempt to steal the triforce and that's when they were banished to the twilight realm. These interlopers were banished with their knowledge and power. It's therefore possible that over the time they populated a whole nother realm they were able to create the fused shadow in likeness of Majora's mask. Infact the main interloper was probably Majora him/her self.
For the majora's mask connection to the fused shadow I pose that the Twili originate from a mixture of races primarily Sheikah & Gerudo they share cultural and physical traits of both, that eventually mutated through the energy of the Twilight realm and
Can you sometime do a theory video on who Makeela's (Riju's) father was? (In BOTW)
I know there isn't a lot to go on, but it would be very interesting.
The Mask theory, and the Twili being connected to Garudo and Sheikah made me think of a Breath of the Wild theory: One tribe splits in three, like the Triforce, with a group following Wisdom (Sheikah) Power (Garudo, later into Yiga. SS even shows Groose, most likely ancestor, was ultimately a good guy and helper despite being a little bit of a bully/jerk. Like the Yiga in Age of Calamity…) and Courage.. but that group is missing.
We wonder on Zonai or that green glowing magic in BoW2: It’s Twili, too courageous for their own good in the past they sought the Triforce, like Link inevitable does, but were not the fated recipients and got trapped and punished and the rest is history etc
Heck, they probably asked for a pure or perfect world and were sent to a new realm, Twili, since ours can never be pure/perfect with Demise’s Curse out there!
I think Majora's Mask would be a Prototype to be used as a weapon, but because this Mask became Self Aware the Intelopers needed to Dump the Mask and make something new
In a way, Ganondorf could be thought of as tragically destined to fail in a similar manner to Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. In "standard" events, both are soundly defeated by the hero, that being the Hero of Time or the great-great grandson of Dio's nemesis Jonathan Joestar. In Ganondorf's case, this leads to his actual death in The Wind Waker and in Twilight Princess. What if the hero fails? The villain still falls. Ganondorf is killed in A Link to the Past, only to be brought back as a mindless beast to be used later on. In JoJo: Eyes of Heaven, story mode is quite literally, "What if Dio defeated Jotaro?" Well, in a twisted series of events, which include Dio becoming the strongest being in the multiverse, Dio...still falls to Jotaro. Whether they win or lose, the fate of Dio and Ganondorf is to be felled by the hero. It's kind of tragic, given what each goes through early in life.
I find that the writing on the stone slab in BOTW 2’s second trailer looks really similar to the writing/markings on the mirror of twilight??
Hey! I love your videos, but I’m not sure that the Nell theory is correct. If you spawn at the top of Akkala tower and build a fire at night Nell will show back up and give you a gift when you save him. I’m happy to send a video if you want.
Wow! I couldn't get him again, maybe I need to try MORE!
Oh well, I think it could still be possible but good to know.
In regards to Hylia having a resurgence in Hyrulian religion, maybe it was the consequences of the war that took place 10,000 years ago. During the original Calamity the people of Hyrule would've seen firsthand the raw divine power that possesses the princesses of the royal family. Previously the showdown between whatever plagues the kingdom happened away from the audience, but this time the action took place in a battlefield where the army, Champions and Guardians aided the heroes.
The Sheikah themselves swore to protect the Goddess's mortal forms as stated in Skyward Sword, and continued to uphold this practice even after the Kingdom turned their backs on them for their technological advancements.
For all we know the people of Hyrule had began to speculate on the existence of a fourth Goddess after seeing Zelda's powers or the Sheikah may have confirmed it. These may be faulty guesses but its fun to theorize :)
There is so many ways to look into the idea of Hylia being reintroduced into Hyrulian mythos that many theories or headcanons can be discussed!