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@@jimmicks8185 facts iv been waiting for the zeldatubers to pronounce hateno right i don't think that will happen lol say it with me (ha-te-no) not (ha-tay-no) ....smh
Dude, your videos have just continued to get better over the years. My god. Great job on this one, thanks so much for having me on. And thank you to everyone who submitted their theories! So much fun
The interlopers don’t have to be the entire Sheikah or Gerudo races banished to the twilight realm. They could be specifically a group (made up of Sheikah, Gerudo, or both) that was banished and then the rest of them weren’t involved in the bad stuff that got the interlopers banished. The Sheikah have been around since the beginning of the timeline (in Skyward Sword, where Impa is from the past when Demise was first sealed). The Sheikah as a race ARE old enough to be the ancestors to the Twili, and it would fit nicely with BotW’s lore the Sheikah were prone to having disputes and splits throughout their history before the Yiga
The fact the the Interlopers are referred to as a non specific "Tribe" with no mention of 2 very well known and iconic groups make it unlikely for the Interlopers to be either. They are treated as a singular group. It's unlikely the Tribe is made up of 2 separate groups. Connections to either the Shiekah or Gerudo are most likely coincidental.
If everyone in Hyrule has a counterpart in Termina, and we know that Majora's Mask appears to have some level of sentience, couldn't it be possible that Majora's Mask IS Termina's version of the Fused Shadow? They have similar backstories, similar powers, similar freaky eye-designs on the front... Of course, the only problem with this is that the Happy Mask Salesman had Majora's Mask in Hyrule when it was stolen by the Skull Kid, but theoretically, it is still possible that he had already been to Termina once and obtained it there, as he never explicitly states where he got it in the first place... Just throwing out what's probably an outrageous theory here...
Went to Termina, got the mask, and the mask manipulated Skull Kid into jumping the Happy Mask Salesman so it could go back to Termina to wreak havoc? Hmm, plausible.
@@MSFVIDS The theory still makes sense, Majora's mask could've been Hyrule's counterpart of the fused shadow, I have not played the game and do not know who or what the fused shadow is so pardon me if I'm wrong, but they could be interchanged right? Edit: I did a bit of research and I think this could've been very plausible since the fused shadow appears in Hyrule/Twightlight so, that gives me the conclusion that it could have worked out the other way around, Majora may be the terminal counterpart of the fused shadow.
My personal theory has always been that Majora's Mask is actually Lorule's equivalent to the Fused Shadow, Termina the equivalent to the Twilight Realm, and the Cult of Masks the equivalent to the Interlopers.
The dark interlopers were just a group people who mastered a certain kind of magic at least as far as true japanese translations go so it could have been a group of sheikah and gerudo that created the fused shadows. And only those responsible were banished to the twilight realm and became the twilight. It would explain both symbols being present.
I always found the theory that the interlopers were gerudo was weird because of the whole only one male is born every 100 years thing, but now I think it is possible because perhaps back then the gerudo were compromised equally of both voe and vai, and that the gerudo males becoming rare happened some time after the interloper war.
@@andresbarquin I think the Interlopers are both Gerudo and Sheikah and their descendants are hybrids of the two. As for the Gerudo being both male and female, there is a theory that the Wind Tribe in Minish Cap are the ancestors of the Gerudo as they all have red hair and may be a descendant of Groose the first Gerudo.
@@andresbarquin that makes alot of sense. Midna even says something about Zant not being chosen as ruler due to him having madness in his eyes like their ancestors. Which could mean gerudo males could have naturally been power Hungry and if you have gerudo having children with sheikah they would take on both traits over time. Zant wora the gerudo symbol possible to Ganondorfs influence or their were to different grouos of twili likes houses so to speak. As midna in her true form looks nothing like Zant. In fact she looks far more human like then Zant does.
I always thought that the Mogmas left Hyrule and eventually became the Subrosians from oracle of seasons (another race that lives underground near lava). We never see them under their robes so for all we know they could also be mole people
That's a good idea. I don't know much of the Oracles content, but you could do some digging to find if there are any other hints that lead to this theory
You could also view the digging bandit (acrobandits I think) enemies from Minish Cap as a midway transition between the two. They’re more short and round like the Subrosians, but still live close to the surface and dig like Mogma
The Gerudo mark on Zant is because Ganondorf played a god figure to him. I don't think the gerudo's got anything to do with the people of the twilight realm until Ganondorf came through. As far as the sheikas being involved with the Twilight & Majora's Mask. I feel like that part is true. We've seen the sheikah's going evil before, like with BOTW. Who'se to say that these "interlopers" wouldn't be a select handful of corrupted sheikah that wanted to dominate the sacred realm using the Fused Shadow, a creation from a type of dark magic that they shouldn't have been digging into, and because of that, they got banished to a different realm for being taken in by the "Dark Magic." As far as Majora's mask being made before the fused shadow & Interlopers. I feel like that part is true. My thought is that the being "Majora" who'se had beef with the fierce deity was perhaps the beginning of the whole sheikah-to-interloper fiasco as a way to try to get a 1-up over the Goddesses behind the scenes. To have itself turned into a mask, I feel like it was in agreement with an association to Demise (or one of his henchmen, like perhaps one that disguises itself as the Masked Salesman) This way, Majora can be hidden, and corrupt the sheikah race ( one of Demise's enemies being that they were the guardians for Hylia herself. ) We already know that the sheikah are the best at creating technology, so perhaps the corrupted sheikah-turned-interlopers developed the fused shadow with the inspiration of Majora's mask to take control over the sacred realm. But once they failed, and the goddesses intervened, the mask was taken away from them to be hidden around the world (in the hands of the masked salesman) so that's why over the years, the people of twili aren't all that evil. It could also make sense as to why the goddesses ordered the three light spirits to seal away the magic, rather than straight up killing them. Then again, I don't think they've ever killed anything now that I think about it, but because despite being interlopers, they're still the Goddesses guardians. But of course, it's just the beauty and mystery of LOZ. Just like how there is a upside-down triforce on the eyebrows of Majora's Mask.
For the Divine Prank, we know that Link has part of the Triforce in the very end of OoT which is barely visible when he relives the scene of meeting Zelda. This suggests the Triforce must have split already. It was less of a prank of the gods (though from the Sages perspective it would seem so) and more the Triforce's normal defense mechanism at play. It was likely that Ganondorf just didn't know he had it and activated its power through desperation. This next part is just me being crazy, but we don't know how resetting Link's time with the ocarina works... it's not like playing the ocarina can return Link to a set point in time and allow him to keep in possession items that he hasn't recieved yet... unless it works like it does in MM. Also it may be possible that the Triforce is... not bound by a normal concept of time or the OoT isn't powerful enough to effect the Triforce. For example, even though time rewinds, the Triforce doesn't "rewind" with them, it continues forward backwards. That is the Triforce stays with the chosen while they are rewound, but the Triforce itself doesn't come back together it stays apart bound to chosen. The Triforce experiences the rewind the same way Link does. Though the Triforce seems to continue to exist in future for the same reason. The OoT can't actually send the Triforce through time so it also remains. Trying to apply the laws of time to the Triforce might just be impossible because of its divine nature. (Which might be why the timeline is tough to unravel. We try to apply logic and laws to things that might be above those laws.)
This is complicated, but I think the final time travel in OoT does put Link back in time with his memories of the future. Even if at this point, this is the future of another timeline. I don't really know how he was put there, but I remember he goes back inside of the Temple of Time, holding the Master Sword on its pedestal, but at a point before he got inside the Temple in the original timeline, because later we see him meeting the princess inside the castle, however the princess can't be here if he was sent back at a time he had already opened the Temple and pulled the Sword, because at this point Ganondorf had already attacked the castle and Impa and Zelda already fled from the citadel. So I think safe to assume he went back in time with items he didn't have back then. That could apply to the Triforce. And I recall a very common theory explaining that Link going back in time and taking possession of his part of the Triforce splited the Triforce earlier in the Child Timeline, and his Triforce in the original timeline he just left broke with its possesser gone, explaining why we have to collect the Triforce of Courage pieces in the Wind Waker, in the Adult Timeline. Sorry if I my sentences don't make sense, this is very complicated stuf, I'm not concentrated and English is not my native language.
@@geianimari65 Nah, your sentences are good. I just thought of the weird possibility that the Triforce is split in the Child Timeline ending because the OoT couldn't undo that particular event similar to how it couldn't undo the freeing of the Giants in Majora. The Triforce exists outside of time and when the time line split occurs it stays in place relative to its timeline. Adult Timeline Triforce stays unaffected with only Link disappearing. But child timeline Triforce stays separated throughout the rewind because to the Triforce that event has already happened (in the same way Link also sees the event as having happened). The OoT just simply can't put the Triforce back together again because the Triforce isn't bound by the laws of time. The Triforce was separated and hasn't been brought back together in the intended way so it stays with the chosen despite for everyone including Link (though he is aware of it) time was reset to before the separation.
Theory- The entierty of BOTW’s story during the game is told from Kass’ perspective. It’s not immediately evident right away but soon becomes quite clear during the DLC. This would explain the story being so fragmented, because it is told through song and from memory by Kass. And legends throughout history are often told through song or poem. Kass was around for BOTW so he would be able to recount the events and insert himself into certain parts of the story. I think it would be interesting to delve into this. Maybe some of the story points would make a little more sense if looked at from Kass’ perspective. It would also be interesting to delve into who his teacher was.
The name "dark interlopers" has always felt like a hint to me that skews in favor of a connection. Interloper can be defined as "One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity." If the interlopers came from Termina, their name is evident as they don't belong in Hyrule in the first place, attempting to take control of its Golden Power. This also connects really nicely to the Triforce symbols that are found in Ikana, which show that some tribe that lived in Termina did indeed have knowledge of it - the same one, seemingly, that created a statue of Majora in the Stone Tower Temple, and opened a gateway to a dimension seemingly linked to the demon inside that temple.
I think the Mogma evolved into the Subrosians. The mogma were quoted to love staying down in their lair all day and relaxing. I think they were supposed to help subdue ganon but instead faked their own deaths somehow (or just simply hid their identities) and stayed underground out of guilt and survival. And the Subrosians also live in an underground lair. And are very secretive about their identities.
My theory about the divine prank is that the Triforce transcends time. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power like normal, but then despite the time manipulation, he still had it. He wasn't aware he had it up until the execution which is where it kicked in and saved him. This would also explain how Link, Zelda, and their descendents have their pieces despite the Door of Time having never been opened in the timeline where Link was sent back to his childhood. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on my theory!
I have a theory that's not about lore, but behind the scenes stuff. The dev team are trying to erase the Kokiri, even from the lore. Even though the Koroks are supposed to be a sort of evolved form of them, they're a very different species, much like the Zora and the Rito, who BOTH returned in BOTW despite this fact. Every other race, besides certain enemies, were in BOTW. Even the Minish were planned to be in BOTW, but the Kokiri were left behind, their only reappearance being a single ghost form of one in WW. In the lore of OoT and WW, the reason every Link wore a green tunic was because he grew up with the Kokiri. Then, in SS, this was retconned to be that it was his training class or whatever that was why he had worn the green tunic. Even though OoT is a major point in history for The Legend Of Zelda, and many other aspects of the game are shown in one form or another, the Kokiri are ignored by the dev team. This is a huge disappointment to me because I love the Kokiri and would love to see Saria interact with a reincarnation of Link. They're a missed opportunity if you ask me.
Yellow fur, orange noses, blue mask-like markings around their eyes, tendency to dig and pop out of holes in the dirt, affinity for stealing things... to me it's always been a mini theory that the Mogma became Minish Cap's AcroBandits at some point in their evolution
it’s always so great to see Adam and Jordan in each other’s videos, I get whiplash whenever they collab 😂 and these are great theories! I’ve got nothing to add, but wow, Nell’s story caught me by surprise. I had no idea they don’t respawn after blood moons. completely unrelated, but I have a small headcanon that Link sees remnants of people’s memories in the places he visits, maybe as a weird side effect of spending a century in the Shrine of Resurrection and having to recover his own memories through photos in the Sheikah Slate. so if he were to go to the Akkala Citadel, he’d see flashes of soldiers laughing and eating together, training under the harsh sun, and grieving and fighting as they held their last stand. I need to replay this game, I miss it already
That's a nice theory, about Link seeing memories when he visits a place. Do you see it more like, he sees ghosts, or like, he remembers his own memories of the location ?
@@geianimari65 more on the route where he sees ghosts, almost like holograms of people who were there. his visions would have the scenery restored to how they were when the memory took place, and he could just see short glimpses of moments those people shared. they wouldn’t be able to see him, Link’s visions would be like the memories in-game, where he’d sort of re-enact events in his mind, except he’s actually seeing them and not just closing his eyes and remembering
9:35 I believe when Link went back in time, he has the Triforce of Courage and by that logic splits the triforce up in the child timeline which Young Zelda would of gotten Triforce of Wisdom and sadly Ganondorf getting the Triforce of Power, just for Zelda and Ganondorf, the Triforce lay dormant inside of them until a certain time passed.
I rather think it stays dormant until the bearers have a trigger that activate its power. For Ganondorf in TP, it was being killed, for Link it was being dragged into the Twilight, and Zelda maybe the Twilight too. In OoT, Zelda/Sheik does willingly activate the Triforce by revealing their identity to Link, but we don't know how they triggered it in the first place. I don't remember how Link finds out he has a part of the Triforce. As fI don't remember for Ganondorf, but either he triggers it in the final battle, when his castle is destroyed and he turns into Ganon, so when he gets killed again, or he triggered it prior but I don't know how.
"Twili are not an old enough race" yea, unless they happen to be the Zonai. Maybe the Zonai were their ancestors, maybe the zonai made the mask, with its dragon and stone like designs
2.) I always just thought that Nell either was wearing armor that had been passed down in his family for generations…or he had purchased in in Hateno Village, just like Link did. 3.) An interesting point, here. The UA-camr, Gaijin Goomba did a video on Christian imagery in the LoZ series. the odd thing is that pretty much all instances occur in what we all now know of as the "Fallen Hero Timeline." I made a joke comment on it that, maybe, with the Hero defeated & that timeline being an especially hard time for Hyrule, the People of Hylia decided to abandon the old gods they felt had abandoned them and looked for another who might heal their suffering. 4.) The thing to remember here is that the powers of the Triforce (and each subsequent piece) is completely without any moral compass. Even though these are shards of the power of the goddesses of Hyrule's creation, the ability to use the Triforce is amoral, in the literal sense of the term. It's theoretically possible that the "Divine Prank" may be to keep a balance of that power, but it still seems just a case of fate that the three people are just destined to play, not matter how they try to fight it. 5.) It could also be that the tribe that created Majora's Mask may even either be from the Interlopers, themselves, or a precursor to them, a tribe that inspired them.
The Divine Prank happened because Link brought his triforce of courage with him when he was sent back. According to the lore if one is claimed then the other two seek out barers.
Personally I've never really liked the whole "Twili created Majora's Mask" theory. I think aside from very general similarities of them being powerful mask/helmet and the small detail of the eyes (which really isn't that strong of a connection) there isn't much to back it up. Also, despite the similarities of the eyes, nothing else between the two styles matches at all. Majora's mask is very colorful and tribalist while the Fused Shadow and other Twili constructed things have a very geometric, monotone design that is completely different. I think it's much more likely that Majora's Mask was simply created by a yet unknown group in the series that we've never seen before.
it could be, that because of Majora's power and the Interloper's history of trying to abuse powerful magical artifacts maybe the reason why the fused shadow has these weird similarties is because the Interlopers tried to imitate Majora's Mask... tried to get a weapon that works in the style of the mask but let's be real, the fused shadow while pretty powerful is nothing compared to the mask, the mask was capable of pulling entire celestial bodies out of the sky, and creating sub-dimensions (the moon-fields, and maybe even Termina itself) while only having control over a fairly weak host
I personally don't see similarities between Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow. And I'm part of the people who think Termina is a dream, allowing to connect the Mask and the Twili without it to have any incidence in the lore which is very convenient. Although it's not the main goal of the dream theory.
There's a hylia statue in Zelda II. I think it's just called a trophy, but it definitely has the right shape and size to be a model for the statues we see in the different towns.
Mayhap the Interlopers were the same group who created Majora's Mask, and then when they were exiled to the Twilight Realm they re-created it with the Fused Shadow, including symbols of power they discovered in Hyrule. Like, they came from Termina/possibly Ikana, and that's WHY they're called Interlopers. They weren't ever from Hyrule and were trying to steal the power of the single most important Hylian artifact. We also know that the Sheikah Eye exists in Termina in MM, so possibly it's presence in Termina reaches back to around the time the Interlopers traveled to Hyrule in the first place. The Sheikah Eye could also have been added to attempt to control the power summoned in their rituals, as we've seen the Sheikah use and control dark powers. Zant wearing a gerudo symbol is easily explained - he took it from Ganondorf, his new god. It's standard heraldry for a servant to wear their master's symbol.
@@HyruleGamer Here's a theory; The cursed swordsman tablet in Hyrule castle's graveyard(from twilight princess) is referring to the hero's shade's grave, or at least where he was supposed to be buried. "The cursed swordsman lies under the sacred tree..." it would make sense if he was cursed, and that's why he's in the form of a skeleton, rather than what he looked like when he died.
A thought on the Hylia situation: She is worshipped more prominently in Skyward Sword because the people of Skyloft are more directly influenced by her lifetime. She's the reason why Skyloft exists, after all, and Skyloft is rather separated from the rest of Hyrule. When the Hylians return to the surface and there is more interaction between them and other species, it makes more sense that the focus would be less on Hylia (something of a minor God) and moreso on the Golden Goddesses, who are responsible for the creation fo the entire world itself. Other species probably recognize the Golden Goddesses, as well, as they relate the Hyrule as a whole, not just the Hylians. Now, why she returns as a main figure in BotW I believe could just be a passage of time and the change of religion. Its obvious that so much time has passed by the time we get to Breath of the Wild, so the creation myth could have fallen into obscurity, the dragons being the only remnants of their names. The history of Hylia and the Hylian's understanding of the reincarnation cycle could have shifted their attention back to her specifically. Discovering the Forgotten Temple is probably a key to that as well.
The Mask theory, and the Twili being connected to Garudo and Sheikah made me think of a Breath of the Wild theory: One tribe splits in three, like the Triforce, with a group following Wisdom (Sheikah) Power (Garudo, later into Yiga. SS even shows Groose, most likely ancestor, was ultimately a good guy and helper despite being a little bit of a bully/jerk. Like the Yiga in Age of Calamity…) and Courage.. but that group is missing. We wonder on Zonai or that green glowing magic in BoW2: It’s Twili, too courageous for their own good in the past they sought the Triforce, like Link inevitable does, but were not the fated recipients and got trapped and punished and the rest is history etc Heck, they probably asked for a pure or perfect world and were sent to a new realm, Twili, since ours can never be pure/perfect with Demise’s Curse out there!
Here’s a minor mystery for you I haven’t seen anywhere else as far as I know. If you go a little northwest from the Spring of Power in BotW, you’ll find a slope leading up Death Mountain with a surprising amount of enemies, namely Lizalfos and Fire Chuchus. Get to the top and the slope becomes a series of cliffs with some Pebblits on the ledges. Halfway up, you’ll find a ruined stone structure with ruined walls and stairs leading up to a platform. I was curious about it for a while since it looked like a lookout spot. But looking out for what? If you look out the window to the right, you can make out island on Lake Akkala and the roads leading to the Citadel but not the Citadel itself since it’s blocked by Death Mountain. If you look dead ahead out of the window on the opposite side of the stairs, you can see the East Akkala Stable, the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab and the roads between them. One thing to note, is that if you look at Death Mountain from the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab, it’s just about impossible to spot this structure. Now go further up the mountain. Here’s a building with the layout of the soldier garrisons and outposts we see, mostly ruined, with hardened lava having rushed in through broken sections of the walls. Here’s the question. Why is there a lookout and garrison that can’t be spotted in this little hidden spot on the mountain? It can’t be to monitor Death Mountain. You’d pick a safer spot. To keep an eye on any soldiers marching from Akkala Citadel? Maybe, but why only when they’re marching north and not the citadel itself? Given that you can spot the Tech Lab but you can’t see either the lookout or garrison from the Tech Lab, I think it’s possible that the royal family was keeping an eye on the lighthouse. We don’t know who operated it before Robbie did, but maybe it was more Sheikah. And given how far away it is from central hyrule, maybe they feared the Sheikah were covertly operating behind the royals backs, thus leading to spies being placed on Death Mountain to keep a faraway eye on things. I can’t imagine they were there for protecting the lighthouse, given they’d have to descend the volcano and cross the Akkala valley and again, the citadel is just down the road. Even the idea they might have been watching for invaders by sea falls a bit short in my mind given how obscured the sea is by Tumlea Heights and Death Mountain.
There's nothing to suggest it in amy of the media, but I always read Crom (Fierce Deity) and Majora as being half brothers who were constantly at war with one another, with the moon being Crom's father, and Majora's father having been some kind of sun God who Crom would have killed in one of their many prior battles, also the Goddess of Time (or at least the Goddess of Time of Termina) is their mother which is why she couldn't just kill them, and so eventually turned to a group of sorcerers to have them bind the two Gods to masks, and then the Giants would have been left to tend to the battered and scorched earth, themselves being some kind of elemental spirits born from the terrains, while the sorcerers kept and used the masks for their "hexing rituals."
I’ve been curious about the Ocean Temple in Spirit Tracks. It’s always been perplexing that the Ocean Realm is the only realm that shares its realm with another realm (other than the Dark Realm in the Forest Realm but it’s basically like the Other Side so), The Sand Realm. And, about 100 years ago, maybe a little more, the ocean flooded out the land, meaning the ocean wouldn’t have been where it lays in Spirit Tracks. It would’ve been much lower. Seeing Byrne left the Tower of Spirits 100 years ago, about the time of the flood. He’s a grown man, and seeing as the other Lokomo are elderly, they do age, so it’s likely they existed here before the time of the flood. The temples likely were places of worship for the Spirits of Good, and for the Ocean Temple to be an *Ocean Temple*, there would have to be an ocean there, but if there wasn’t one that high in ancient times, probably when the Lokomo were more abundant (if there were ever more than seven), what was the Ocean Temple? Did the divine race of the Spirits just *move* it? Did they build a new one? These buildings are so important, and the Lokomo have extensive knowledge, it’d be weird for a new Spirit to just emerge, that is if these temples were used for worship or something before they became a primary source of power for the Tower Of Spirits. What is the story of the Ocean Temple?
Zant having the Gerudo symbol is easily explained, its there to forshadoe he works for Ganondorf. Veran and Onox both wear it and work for Twinrova in the oracle games.
I always believe the theory that the tribes from Ikana build the stone tower to reach their heavens (like the tower of babel) but instead led them to a portal leading to the desert (all the while thinking they reached the heavens) where Twinmold eventually resides. This desert connects to the gerudo desert and that is how they entered Hyrule. This is of course linked to the idea of Termina being a mirror universe of sorts. And Link entered this place by going through the corridor in between the woods and the clocktower which was a portal on its own
I would love a theory about how do the timelines merge into Breath of the Wild. Breath of the Wild seems to come from no timeline, yet all at once. Hyrule Warriors (original) should be canon, there, the timelines merge, but if it keeps non canon, what happened?
The timelines don't truly merge in Hyrule Warriors, more like pockets of space and time from other times poked into the time of Hyrule Warriors. A true merging of the timelines would be a 100% merge. If, say, it was only 33% of downfall, child, and adult, then 66% percent of each timeline would still persist as there own timelines, which, while interesting, would make the zelda timeline much more complicated than it needs to be.
You could make the argument that Link brought the Triforce of Courage back into the Child Timeline since in the credits of OoT he has it on his hand when meeting Zelda again. It could have something to do with Ganondorf suddenly having it since it basically forces the Triforce to split. Idk what happened to the other Triforce of Courage, maybe it ceased to exist.
1. *"What happened to the Magmas?"* Despite their name, I actually doubt they are actually native to Elden. My reason for this is that they are Treasure Hunters and traveled to Elden Volcano in search of treasure. Perhaps they left for elsewhere long before the Gorons moved in. 3. *"Hylia worship"* The first appearance of the Hylia Goddess Statue is actually Zelda II, The Adventure of Link so Hylia was created before Skyward Sword. There's also Lake Hylia and the "Goddess of Time" in Majora's Mask. This doesn't actually answer the question of Hylia vs 3 Goddess Worship but the existence of the Goddess Statue in Zelda II is an indication that Hylians worshipped Hylia at the time while the very concept IRL of the Three Golden Goddesses wasn't a thing until A Link to the Past. 4. *"Divine Prank"* My interpretation of the divine prank is that when the Hero of Time was Sent back in time, he had the Triforce of Courage. However, when he was sent back in time, the Triforce of Courage from the Unified/Adult Timeline didn't go back with him and shattered into 8 pieces as a consequence. When Link arrived in the Child Timeline, he automatically gained the Triforce of Courage from the Child Timeline because he was supposed to have the Adult Timeline version. And since Link automatically gained the Child Timeline's Triforce of Courage, Zelda automatically received it's Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf automatically received it's Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf only found out he had it when sometime after his execution and imprisonment into the Twilight Realm after accidentally using it's power upon dying from being lethally impaled by the Sage's Sword out of desperation of refusing to die. It's still a consequence of Zelda but it's not really a divine prank or some punishment. Merely the consequence of cause and effect. Side Note: *"…like the Zora race becoming the Rito…"* …sigh… I'll say it again: Only Medli's family seems to have Zora blood in her veins as there is another Rito in the Wind Waker who descended from the Running man, therefore has Hylian Blood running through his veins. Therefore, Medli descending from the Zora is not proof that then entire race Rito descended from the Zora. According to Eiji Aonuma and the Ocarina of Time Manga, the Rito existed by the time of Ocarina of Time, the Manga being the very first appearance of the Rito.
09:34 Like Steins;Gate, the Hyrulian world line was switched when Zelda and Link manipulated time. Even though Ganondorf was stopped in the future, that was now a new world line unconnected to the previous past. When Link went back to being a child, That Ganondorf was still a Worthy Vessel for the Triforce of Power. Him being stopped in the future did nothing to impact his worthiness for the Power piece, thusly, history was not altered enough to bring Hyrule to a world line where Ganondorf was no longer a threat. Even if Ganondorf wasn't almost executed, the Triforce of Power was guaranteed to become his because he will Always get it on that world line.
Can you sometime do a theory video on who Makeela's (Riju's) father was? (In BOTW) I know there isn't a lot to go on, but it would be very interesting.
If you're taking more theories, I have one. I think BotW is a fourth timeline. Child timeline: Link is sent back to get to live his childhood, we get Majora's Mask as a direct sequel. Adult timeline: Link is sent to the past, but the world he left behind continues on with its hero now having vanished. Fallen timeline: Link loses to Ganon/Ganondorf. What about if he stayed as an adult with Zelda instead? Doesn't get sent back, but continues to rebuild Hyrule and Zelda never sends him to his stolen childhood. A fourth timeline, and maybe one that BotW is in? In Ocarina, we learn that the Gerudo have male children every 100 years, and with Ganondorf dead, the next reincarnation would bring another hero 100 years later. Over and over, like an arms race as the centuries go on until we get to the technology of the Sheikah 10,000 years prior to BotW. If BotW 2 confirms that Ganondorf hasn't actually died, it could explain why he hasn't reincarnated to schedule, and why the technology was lost. I haven't been able to fully flesh this one out yet.
If that was the case, though, then each Link would have left behind a stack of training and cheat codes, maybe even control over some aspects of time like in the BotW2 trailer. Their magic just keeps getting stronger and stronger, and BotW has to relearn hundreds of generations of Heroes that perfected beating Ganon.
Maybe the fierce deity also made the fused shadow mask since the fierce deity was the one who made the Majora's mask and maybe also made the fire e deity mask in a effort to live forever but ended up trapping himself in the mask instead or for whatever reason he made himself into a mask. (I'm going off by that legend of Zelda Majora's mask manga that came out that reference the fierce deity killing majora and making the mask.) Making the fierce deity part of the shadow Interlopers.
If the interlopers were not a race, but a collection of individuals across all races at the time, its possible that the descendants of the people who created Majora’s Mask are one of the groups that existed at the time they were banished, and thus Twili culture began as a fusion of all the races around at the time. Actually, if you consider that symbols from one culture can have an impact on another, it is possible that the symbolism on the fused shadow was originally from a single group, they would have left behind relics and artifacts, plus other groups would have interacted with them prior to banishment, so those symbols could also be from the interlopers and copied by the tribes that remain in the time of the games.
@@geianimari65 well garrahim was known to perform hexing rituals it was never confirmed that he died alongside demise the happy mask salesman has a very similar personality traits to garrahim and the happy mask salesman is in possession of a mask that was used in rituals that is the short version of my argument I'm still looking into it gathering more information but I feel there's a solid chance I could be right
@@XBANGARANGX It's true that we never actually witnessed Ghirahim functionally die. We do see Demise absorbing him inside his sword, but as Fay frequently gets in and out of the Master Sword it really means nothing. Then we see the sword disappearing when Demise is defeated, but we don't know what it means either. Not mentioning this happens in another timeline and that there is another Ghirahim somewhere roaming free, BUT I should explain the other timeline theory and it's long. I explained it in my own comment if it interests you tho. For the rest, I don't think the Happy Masks Salesman and Ghirahim are anythnig similar whatsoever. Maybe your arguments are very personal feelings about it, but maybe by some digging you could find some consistent hint to your theory.
@@geianimari65 yes and I have been digging for anything that can conclusively connect Ghirahim and the happy mask salesman and majora mask is the most likely connection but not a definitive connection
I believe the happy mask salesman is very deceiving in what he says and who he claims to be. I think he has some dark secrets and something to do with the majoras mask that we don’t know about.
The zonai were the interlopers who became the twili, and they made the Majoras Mask. We know the zonai were an ancient tribe. We also know they got lost to history. It's either implied or stated outright that they were powerful magic users. The interlopers were a tribe of magic users trying to claim the power of the gods for themselves. They became powerful enough that it is as though they started to rival the power of the gods, who then drove them from the land. They created the fused shadows, powerful magical artifacts which can corrupt the wearers, as ways to gain entry to the sacred realm. 3 for the gods they wanted the power of, one for their leader, as a conduit to the other 3. They were apparently driven out of hyrule during the hyrulean civil war. There is a war at the time of link's birth in oot. His mother is fleeing it, which is why he is orphaned and raised in the forest. This war was likely the hyrule civil war. The happy mask salesman likely acquired the mask from a zonai fleeing persecution. He lost it several years later when traveling through the woods, starting the events of MM. They're mentioned to be an ancient tribe of magic users who used the mask in hexing rituals. It is possible they're disparate tribes, but the zelda series doesnt make references like that repeatedly to have it come to nothing. There is a repeated reference to "ancient tribe of magic users." Which gets highlighted in game text. Usually the hhighlight indicates they're talking about some known group, and usually that group is always referred to the same way or close to the same way. This is like "triumph forks" "golden power" "sacred power" and "power of the gods" meaning "triforce", or "tribe of desert dwelling beauties" being the gerudo. "Proud/rock-eating/ mountain folk" are all descriptions which always only refer to the gorons. I think "ancient tribe of magic users" is just one tribe. It is like "the tribe that serves the royal family" and "shadow folk" being a reference to the shiekah and always the shiekah. Once the series establishes some identifying things like those and puts them in highlights, it's usually that they're referencing the same group of people.
Maybe the Shekiah saw those eye symbols and adopted them as their own? Zant probably has gerudo patterns because he works for gannondorf who is a gerudo?
nah, the tribe that made majora's mask pretty much were from ikana canyon's secret shrine. You can see heart-shaped masks hanging on the ceiling, and ritualistic symbols on walls.
I think the fused shadow appears similar to Majoras mask to make us reminisce about our previous encounter from an evil artifact. I think the designs in twilight Princess are a mix of cultures influences such as sheikah and gerudo. And I don’t think they’re coincidences either
Nell mystery can be further proven, he only comes back after a blood moon, no other npcs do that cause you find them in other locations. Cause I went and saved him and next day after I rested he was not there but only appears back there after blood moon. So either he is a ghost or he finds some campsite we never see and only returns after blood moon. I lean more towards the former.
Thought: What if, Majora’s Mask was simply the first attempt to make the more powerful fused shadow? But it went wrong and the mask instead became home to a powerful, uncontrollable demon, Majora.
This is mostly a guess but the majoras mask could be the fused shadow and thanks to the lack of twili magic it transformed into the majoras mask instead. There is not much proof but it is a possibility as they have a lot in common already and somehow it needed to have changed if it whould be the fused shadow. Another theory i heard a long time ago is that there was a god that was named majora and took the form of a dragon. People worshiped it and someone managed to get their hand on majoras scales and made a mask out of it that contained majoras power. After Majoras mortal body died his soul got transported inside the mask as that is what is left of his power on earth and eventually turned mad which made majora want to destroy the world and its own mask. The mask whould be too powerfull to be easily destroyed but eventually majora realised that the moon could posibly break the mask releasing his energy. As a part of it majoras madness had created a parallel world of hyrule termina which could just be a part of the twilight dimension as even more proof towards the original statement in the video if there was any proof to all this. I do not remember much more of the theory and have absolutely no proof at all.
I love Hyrule Gamer, I love MaskedNintendoBandit (wait when did he change his name?!), and I love theories, and I will never stop telling mine until it is in a video ! So, here's my theory in short: There is a split of timelines in Skyward Sword but the developers/scenarists/whoever made the decision about that didn't know how time travel works and there are loads of inconsistencies about time travel in this game. The theory in not short: (and sorry it might take a while, and sorry if I make mistakes, English is not my native language) I have a very strict way of thinking how time travel works in fiction (and considering it doesn't exist aside from fiction, how time travel works at all) : what already happened can't be undone, even by time travel. That's why there are two ways of time travel to act on time : - in the case of a closed time loop, traveling in the past doesn't change the timeline, the time travel already happened before the time traveler traveled in time ; the time travel is part of the timeline. - in the case of a time split, traveling in the past does actually change the timeline, but considering what already happened can't not have happened, the timeline from where the time traveler comes from stays unchanged, and a new timeline derivates from the original one, with a different course of event. This was probably clear for most people, but it was important to state before talking about the main subject. Speaking of which : In the end of Skyward Sword, after Link fought the Imprisoned for the last time and used the Triforce to destroy it, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda, and travels back in time to free Demise at a time where the Imprisoned hasn't been destroyed yet. Then Link follows him in the past to fight and kill Demise, before returning to his own time with Zelda. And here's the problem : in the future of that past, the Imprisoned doesn't exist anymore, because Demise was killed and NOT SEALED BACK INTO THE IMPRISONED as some people think. Because the Imprisoned is the restrained form of Demise caused by the seal of the Goddess Hylia. In the original timeline, Demise was sealed until Link fought him several times before using the Triforce to destroy him. Considering what happened in the past in the final act of the game, they created a new course of event where Demise was sealed into the Imprisoned for way less time, freed by Ghirahim from the future and killed by Link from the future. In the future of this course of event, the Imprisoned doesn't exist anymore, so it can't be the past of Link's present, where the Imprisoned did in fact exist, he even fought it several times and destroy it with the Triforce. So, at this point, a new timeline has been created, with a different succession of events, because the past was changed, but the original timeline still exists, unchanged, and continues to exist on its own. However, when Link and Zelda (and Goose) go back to the present, they find Impa and the Master Sword they just left in the past, like they've been waiting the whole time for them, which should be in a closed time loop case. That could mean they went back in the present, but of a timeline that isn't theirs. And I can't tell you how messed up this is. And there are a bunch of hints that lead either to one or another model of time travel, because I really think the developers didn't know how time travel works, or at least not as strictly as I conceptualize it. I didn't talk about Zelda in her cristal yet, I thought I could put it aside from the timesplit paradoxe because the loop was closed before Ghirahim created the new timeline, but Impa stayed in the past so the Gate of Time was never closed, so Ghirahim traveled in a past where Zelda was in her cristal, so what happens to her if there's a time split ? And if the ending really is the end of a timeloop, how comes that Impa is here all along but not the Master Sword ? And this is not the only time the Gate of Time is used in the game, when Link plants the Tree of Life is messed up too, because when he leaves, the Tree doesn't exist in his present, but once he planted it in the past and comes back, the Tree always existed here, so why did he have to plant it in the first place ? Now, I have a sort of solution to all the paradoxes and inconsistencies (except for the Tree of Life, this is hopeless), but it's more of a fanfiction that a proper theory. We know Goddess Hylia had a sort of foresight or future visions, and she created the Gate of Time, and I humbly assume she knows how time travel works. She may have known the Gate would be used in the future, and the possibility of either a timesplit or a timeloop. She could have given instruction to her servants who would be here at that time, namely Impa and Fi (we call her Fay in French, in Japanese she's called Fai), to do so the paradoxes of time travel would go unnoticed by the mortals. That may be why Fai insisted to stay in the past after killing Demise and absorbing the remainings of his spirit ; to go back to her original timeline would mean there would be two of Demise in the same timeline, so Impa could have sent the Master Sword of the other timeline to the original one so there is one Master Sword and one Demise in each timeline. That may be why we can't see the Master Sword in the Temple during the game as we can see Zelda's cristal and old Impa. Same goes for Ghirahim, I don't really know what happens to him when Demise is defeated, but at this point there is two of him in the timeline, so Impa and Fai would have to send one in the other. And about Impa, actually I'm not sure, because she's from the past in the first place, but she traveled in time really early in the course of event, so I'm not sure there is another version of her in the past. But to be present in the original timeline in the end of the game, she must have used the Gate of Time to travel to it before it closes in this timeline. Thanks for reading this far, I hope it was clear, I hope it will get someone's interest, good luck re-phrasing it for the video if you take it Mr Gamer.
As for the fused shadow, It's broken where the right eye of Majora's mask would perfectly line up. A possibility that the *Fused Shadow* was... fused with Majora's mask at one point? That the HMS accidentally broke it getting the mask it was attached to? As it is in Twilight Princess, it's not *fused* with anything. It's just a stone headdress (A broken one, at that). The HMS does say he went through a lot of trouble to get the FS. I would guess stealing a sacred (and dangerous) artifact from a still living tribe, breaking it in the process, would counts as 'a lot of trouble'. Still begs the question of how the Happy Mask Salesman entered the Twili Realm on his own... though he got to and left Termina just fine, so does that really *need* an explanation at all?
My take on the Divine Prank is that Link went back in time while carrying a piece of the Triforce, thus causing the Triforce in the past to split, while the Triforce piece that Link had went back to the future. I could be wrong though,
In a way, Ganondorf could be thought of as tragically destined to fail in a similar manner to Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. In "standard" events, both are soundly defeated by the hero, that being the Hero of Time or the great-great grandson of Dio's nemesis Jonathan Joestar. In Ganondorf's case, this leads to his actual death in The Wind Waker and in Twilight Princess. What if the hero fails? The villain still falls. Ganondorf is killed in A Link to the Past, only to be brought back as a mindless beast to be used later on. In JoJo: Eyes of Heaven, story mode is quite literally, "What if Dio defeated Jotaro?" Well, in a twisted series of events, which include Dio becoming the strongest being in the multiverse, Dio...still falls to Jotaro. Whether they win or lose, the fate of Dio and Ganondorf is to be felled by the hero. It's kind of tragic, given what each goes through early in life.
Since it was brought up that Zant has symbols for Gerudo while the throne and fused shadow have the Sheikah symbol, would it be possible that the Twili were the first Yiga? They just were banished and the Twilight warped their bodies, while Yiga that weren’t captured continued on in the shadows… ?
I apologise for the negativity I just wanted to point these out: 2:25 "Species in the Zelda universe never really seem to go extinct." There are leviathan bones all over BoTW's map that beg to differ. And since there are other species (Zonai) that we can't say didn't go extinct, since we know so little about them. 3:05 "We do know they are not the ancestors of Gorons, for instance, since Gorons are proven to already be a species in the events of Skyward Sword." The Rito and Zora... would like a word lol. Also, who says the Mogma have to not be around in order [for some] to turn into Gorons.
My 2 Cents on Majora+Fused shadow's origin: Since Skyward, we know that the world has constants. In the begining the 3 golden godess created a balanced place, and left it's people a tool to ensure balance and creation continued. Became more complex and expanded. They created space,time, and life. As dubed by the people power,wisdom, corage. The tool that controls all tree, the tri-force. And left. Or became the Tri-force itself. From somewhere else, the demon tribe came into the current world of hyrule, with the objetive to ''rule'' it's existence. The Cycle of constant battle from existence vs non-existence was there before the godness trio, and their tools of creation were also bound to the rules they followed. A force that plays against this expansion of everything would stop and go back into nothing. As the main villain ''bringer of demise'', was locked and released and reborn over and over, it keeps on being the barrer of the power, space. Coming from somewhere else, atempting to control all it can. Met by the continuous constance of his existence, one that leads to nothing. While it's whole existance appears to be a fight to destroy everything. The bringer's of demise champion, Ganon, holds power, a part of the whole. Time is nothing without space, both are nothing without life. 3 dimensions that coexist in balance or order sustained by a constant fight against inbalance or disorder. So the 3 elements are nothing without each other, and the trio is only a side of a coin. A forth force, destruction, consequence, nothingness. Or fate. Time is recurrently used by the wisdom holder, waiting, traveling through it, and even disrupting it. Time is always used to restore balance as if it had no consequence. But what if it did, as it is cannon, time travel creates multiple parallel realities. What if the twilight is another version of hyrule, one that lost all hope and it's inhabitants devolved in what we now know as the demon tribe, and constantly atempt to regain balance. One that is just the future. Every interation of Hyrule possible leading do a Lowrule or alternative cenario, with many atempts to replicate the tri-force, a single objects through space-time-lives that only apear in very specific moments across this muliverse. Through the creation of artifacts as the Majoras Mask or the Fused Shadow. Either they are the same object or not. Unfortunatly these instruments derive from the work of lesser beings, incomplete versions of the 3 elements. Resulting in unbalanced and destructive forces. Such as the courage being twisted into desire, and life not being about balance but strugle, a Mask that achieves the desires of unbalanced users as twisted courage. The Fused Shadow acted as an inbalanced version of wisdom, a bad use of time. One that could bring those that are long lost back to a time before it even happened and change fate. An instrument that regularly shows uncontrolled power and shapes space. The Shikas are one of the few tribes that seem aware of how fate works, constantly trying holding extensive knowlodge of how time works, even how parallel world's work. Perhaps they become the future Twili, maybe they know what is the deal with all of this. And maybe Breath of the wild is the end game where all these realities merge. Concluding: As the Tri-force is a divine made tool for balance, there is a inherent consequential tool made for inbalance. Hence every time-line eventually develops a version of the Majoras Mask. Either though fragments of the same object, or achieving the same knowlodge. I belive the Shika's eventually temper with the ''sacred balance'' they so eager try to protect, become the demons and repeat the cycle. Alot missing in the explanation but this is a youtube comment, just leaving it up for whoever wants to make a video likes some mind-fodder =]
I posted my theory in the last video, but here it is again incase you decide to feature it next time: The Zora in the Downfall Timeline are savage and violent because they isolated themselves from Hylians. This could be because to seal Ganon away after Link died, it cost the Six Sages their lifeforce so it meant Ruto died. The Zora blamed the Hylians for this and isolated themselves, degressing into the Savahe River Zora. This could be likely as we saw how spiteful the Zora got in Breath of the Wild after Mipha's death so maybe the same thing could have happened for the Downfall Timeline.
I personally believe the divine prank is the result of Link travelling back in time at the end of Ocarina of time.According to the Ganondorf monologue before his battle,if someone is imbalanced, they will not be able to wield the full triforce.As a child Link couldn't have had the wisdom or power to have all three pieces,only courage remained.In twilight princess,it is clear that Link and Zelda were born with the Triforce of courage/wisdom and Ganondorf has the Triforce of power.I'm not sure if this is true in The Zelda series,but i may as well be,in pop culture,generally when two things from seperate places in time that are the same,will fuse and become one,what if when Link travelled to the child timeline,he accidentally fused the riforce from that timeline wih his triforce of courage,because he was imbalanced,it would split and go to the strongest,and wisest people in Hyrule at the time,Zelda and Ganondorf,Link would be left ith the triforce of courage and it would eventually be passed down to the hero of twilight.
Theory, following up on Majoras mask being made by the twili (more so some evidence presented in that subject) what if the twili aren’t a race of their own originally, but rather a cult-ish group, made up of a some people from a few different races, this would explain the sheikah and Gerudo imagery and such, and they could, through time spent in the twilight realm and the natural progression of races combining would explain them becoming their own race as well
Hey hey hey! I bet you didn't think about this, but maybe the sheika tribe are the real villains in the series? Their symbols are found all over the place and on masks and weapons of power. I wouldn't be surprised if in a change of leadership at some point an ancient sheika leader twisted the goddesses words by convincing the other members of the tribe to make weapons of power, but was stopped by the hero of *********.
This might be more of a head canon than a theory but regarding Majoras Mask and the Twili, seeing as Majora is almost definitely a female deity or demon of sorts, it feels fitting that the leader of the tribe who created and used the mask would be Midna, a sort of matriarch. I don’t hear enough people talk about how feminine Majora is, especially in the boss fights, Majora’s Wrath has the most devious feminine laugh. Also she is my girlfriend. Edit: another thought, based on the Twili seeming to represent so many Hylian tribes with their symbols, it could be that they’re a missing link between all the races and or religions, but I think it’s more likely that they are descendants of three people from different parts of Hylia, I’m not sure if there’s any info about the dark interlopers races, but it could very well be that there was a sheikah, a Gerudo, and someone who worked for the royal family, after all, you need someone from the royal family to get information on the whereabouts of the triforce, it seems like the perfect trio of people to get just close enough to the sacred realm.
I remember ages ago someone noticing the sheika eye on the fused shadow, and proposing the Interlopers were defectors (like the Yiga) from the sheika. Perhaps some ancient Gerudo were also part of that. Anyway, I've always been of the mind that the Twighlight realm itself is what turned the Interlopers from Hylian appearing to the Twili. Untold centuries in the darkness would cause mutations and evolution into an entirely new race. I like the idea that the Fused Shadow is a manifestation of Majora's power. I like that it adds mystery to the mask rather than solve any!
I thought the reason ganondorf got the triforce of power was because they sent link back in time back in time and brought the triforce of courage back in time which gave Zelda and ganondorf pieces of the triforce
Regarding no. 4...... My understanding is that Link has the Triforce of Courage within him throughout OoT, even when he travels back/forth using the sword. However, when Zelda sends him back to the point where they first meet, he brings his share of the Triforce with him, which results in there being TWO Triforces of Courage. Since the entire point of the Triforce is about proper balance, there cannot be two of one piece. This causes the Triforce to split up, unknown to anyone. The power and wisdom pieces go to Ganondorf and Zelda, respectively, and one of the courage pieces to make its way over to the adult timeline since there's no Triforce of Courage in that timeline anymore.
the interlopers made Majora's Mask, the Twili are the descendants of that tribe. hey, maybe it was also the interlopers that fought against the Ikana Kingdom and the creators of the stone tower.
Theory: Ganondorf didn’t die in Twilight Princess “ganon” appears in FSA we never see ganondorf however. It’s implied he was ganondorf a new one reincarnated but hyrule historia says: “ after his defeat ganondorfs evil thoughts transcend time and space and manifested through the dark mirror (of Four Swords adventures) into the shadow links”. We never see ganondorf, what if ganon in FSA is a shadow version of himself too and the ganondorf we see in the trailer to breath of the wild 2 is the same ganondorf from OOT, and TP. the chest wound the hand is covering is the exact spot where he was injured hundred of thousands years. This would explain why there hasn’t been another male born in the gerudo tribe. Because he is still technically alive Side note: Ganondorf if cunning and has seen swearing loyalty to the king in OOT when he had darker intentions, is it so much of a stretch that his shadow created self would act “good” to gain the trust of his fellow tribe before acting on his plan in FSA Another note if I’m not mistaken it’s never stated in hyrule historia that Ganondorf died in TP but he was “defeated” Subscribed you have my gratitude with how you interact with your community and since you love twilight Princess and I love the child timeline OOT->MM->TP->FSA->BOTW
I think the twilight realm plays a bigger part in there series than we realize. The place itself has been there as long as Hyrule has, whether inhabited or not. Maybe lowrule and twili are connected, maybe (modern) monsters are influenced by the twilight realm, or are darkness leaking into Hyrule at dusk, or even the change in races/ disappearance or races are because of it. I'm not sure how or what the twilight realm is in relation to Hyrule, but it's hard to believe the events in tp are the only ones where twilight mixes with light, especially considering the mirror in botw. Some of these are more likely than others, but I know the twilight realm is a big puzzle piece in the ever expanding lore and mysteries that is legend of Zelda
Heya Adam! I'm have a theorie/zelda subject that could be a video So when you beat the champions ballad in botw you get a pretty interesting cutscene. When links divine beast unravels, those pilars that you can see near hyrule castle grow out of it. The same can be seen for links but they're BLUE. Some things can we get out of this -it could be just like a good versus evil -what is it that activates the pillars Cause by Ganon they were red and link blue so maybe its their Intention *Main thing* -what kinda impact does it have on botw 2 The team said that they had so much ideas for the dlc that they made a new game When I beat the dlc for the first time I was expecting a divine beast batle with 2 castle's flouting in the sky But that maybe didn't happen because of time Constraints. So the team packed it in the sequel I can already see the floating castle (littarly in the trailer) What do you think? Here are some pics that made me inspired
One thing I did find interesting was the Twili's prophecy about the Sacred Beast and the Hero of Time. It definitely isn't a coincidence that he would leave howling stones around the map, entrusted his arsenal to the different races, that he himself can transform into a wolf, and that the Twili had a prophecy about a Sacred Beast that can save them. To add to that, we see that Link's wolf mode happens when in contact with Twilight while having the Triforce of Courage, so it leads one to believe that the Hero of Time, since he had the Triforce of Courage coming back to the Child Timeline, at some point came into contact with the Twili, leading to the prophecy since he would've been transformed into a wolf there. He probably foresaw a conflict between light and shadow and began giving his bow and stuff to different races and leaving Howling Stones for his descendants just in case. Idk just my thoughts since it sounds kinda cool
I first encountered nell a few days ago actually, but that was a long time after I activated the tower its probably not that he doesn't respawn after the tower its more likely that he only spawns once
Anyone want to talk about how the male garudo was born in the hundred 100 years told in legend. When link wakes up there is one and it's not ganon. It's the guy you get your girl clothes from. He has the skin tone and red hair.
How about a video on whether the spiritual stones were used to make something else after Oot. Or were there other Gerudo kings who weren't named Ganondorf. Or how did the Gerudo desert- which seems to be the desert in Skyward Sword which was shown to have been destroyed due to mining time shift stones- became able to support life and have Springs as seen in BotW
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I like the 5th and 2nd
Question: Is there a certain place where we can submit theories or can we just comment it on youtube for instance?
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The interlopers don’t have to be the entire Sheikah or Gerudo races banished to the twilight realm. They could be specifically a group (made up of Sheikah, Gerudo, or both) that was banished and then the rest of them weren’t involved in the bad stuff that got the interlopers banished. The Sheikah have been around since the beginning of the timeline (in Skyward Sword, where Impa is from the past when Demise was first sealed). The Sheikah as a race ARE old enough to be the ancestors to the Twili, and it would fit nicely with BotW’s lore the Sheikah were prone to having disputes and splits throughout their history before the Yiga
The fact the the Interlopers are referred to as a non specific "Tribe" with no mention of 2 very well known and iconic groups make it unlikely for the Interlopers to be either. They are treated as a singular group. It's unlikely the Tribe is made up of 2 separate groups. Connections to either the Shiekah or Gerudo are most likely coincidental.
Remember zent worshiped Gannon as a god.
This my belief
If everyone in Hyrule has a counterpart in Termina, and we know that Majora's Mask appears to have some level of sentience, couldn't it be possible that Majora's Mask IS Termina's version of the Fused Shadow? They have similar backstories, similar powers, similar freaky eye-designs on the front... Of course, the only problem with this is that the Happy Mask Salesman had Majora's Mask in Hyrule when it was stolen by the Skull Kid, but theoretically, it is still possible that he had already been to Termina once and obtained it there, as he never explicitly states where he got it in the first place... Just throwing out what's probably an outrageous theory here...
Went to Termina, got the mask, and the mask manipulated Skull Kid into jumping the Happy Mask Salesman so it could go back to Termina to wreak havoc? Hmm, plausible.
The happy mask salesman did not get the mask from termina. Termina was found after the skull kid had stolen the mask.
@@MSFVIDS The theory still makes sense, Majora's mask could've been Hyrule's counterpart of the fused shadow, I have not played the game and do not know who or what the fused shadow is so pardon me if I'm wrong, but they could be interchanged right?
Edit: I did a bit of research and I think this could've been very plausible since the fused shadow appears in Hyrule/Twightlight so, that gives me the conclusion that it could have worked out the other way around, Majora may be the terminal counterpart of the fused shadow.
My personal theory has always been that Majora's Mask is actually Lorule's equivalent to the Fused Shadow, Termina the equivalent to the Twilight Realm, and the Cult of Masks the equivalent to the Interlopers.
The dark interlopers were just a group people who mastered a certain kind of magic at least as far as true japanese translations go so it could have been a group of sheikah and gerudo that created the fused shadows. And only those responsible were banished to the twilight realm and became the twilight. It would explain both symbols being present.
I always found the theory that the interlopers were gerudo was weird because of the whole only one male is born every 100 years thing, but now I think it is possible because perhaps back then the gerudo were compromised equally of both voe and vai, and that the gerudo males becoming rare happened some time after the interloper war.
@@andresbarquin I think the Interlopers are both Gerudo and Sheikah and their descendants are hybrids of the two. As for the Gerudo being both male and female, there is a theory that the Wind Tribe in Minish Cap are the ancestors of the Gerudo as they all have red hair and may be a descendant of Groose the first Gerudo.
@@andresbarquin that makes alot of sense. Midna even says something about Zant not being chosen as ruler due to him having madness in his eyes like their ancestors. Which could mean gerudo males could have naturally been power Hungry and if you have gerudo having children with sheikah they would take on both traits over time. Zant wora the gerudo symbol possible to Ganondorfs influence or their were to different grouos of twili likes houses so to speak. As midna in her true form looks nothing like Zant. In fact she looks far more human like then Zant does.
I love it when you guys both collab theories. It always makes my day.
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@@ElectricBlaze164 True
I always thought that the Mogmas left Hyrule and eventually became the Subrosians from oracle of seasons (another race that lives underground near lava). We never see them under their robes so for all we know they could also be mole people
That's a good idea. I don't know much of the Oracles content, but you could do some digging to find if there are any other hints that lead to this theory
You could also view the digging bandit (acrobandits I think) enemies from Minish Cap as a midway transition between the two. They’re more short and round like the Subrosians, but still live close to the surface and dig like Mogma
The Gerudo mark on Zant is because Ganondorf played a god figure to him. I don't think the gerudo's got anything to do with the people of the twilight realm until Ganondorf came through.
As far as the sheikas being involved with the Twilight & Majora's Mask. I feel like that part is true.
We've seen the sheikah's going evil before, like with BOTW.
Who'se to say that these "interlopers" wouldn't be a select handful of corrupted sheikah that wanted to dominate the sacred realm using the Fused Shadow, a creation from a type of dark magic that they shouldn't have been digging into, and because of that, they got banished to a different realm for being taken in by the "Dark Magic."
As far as Majora's mask being made before the fused shadow & Interlopers. I feel like that part is true.
My thought is that the being "Majora" who'se had beef with the fierce deity was perhaps the beginning of the whole sheikah-to-interloper fiasco as a way to try to get a 1-up over the Goddesses behind the scenes. To have itself turned into a mask, I feel like it was in agreement with an association to Demise (or one of his henchmen, like perhaps one that disguises itself as the Masked Salesman) This way, Majora can be hidden, and corrupt the sheikah race ( one of Demise's enemies being that they were the guardians for Hylia herself. )
We already know that the sheikah are the best at creating technology, so perhaps the corrupted sheikah-turned-interlopers developed the fused shadow with the inspiration of Majora's mask to take control over the sacred realm. But once they failed, and the goddesses intervened, the mask was taken away from them to be hidden around the world (in the hands of the masked salesman) so that's why over the years, the people of twili aren't all that evil.
It could also make sense as to why the goddesses ordered the three light spirits to seal away the magic, rather than straight up killing them. Then again, I don't think they've ever killed anything now that I think about it, but because despite being interlopers, they're still the Goddesses guardians.
But of course, it's just the beauty and mystery of LOZ. Just like how there is a upside-down triforce on the eyebrows of Majora's Mask.
That was my thought as well, that because of Ganon Zant would have symbols that were meaningful to him.
For the Divine Prank, we know that Link has part of the Triforce in the very end of OoT which is barely visible when he relives the scene of meeting Zelda. This suggests the Triforce must have split already. It was less of a prank of the gods (though from the Sages perspective it would seem so) and more the Triforce's normal defense mechanism at play. It was likely that Ganondorf just didn't know he had it and activated its power through desperation.
This next part is just me being crazy, but we don't know how resetting Link's time with the ocarina works... it's not like playing the ocarina can return Link to a set point in time and allow him to keep in possession items that he hasn't recieved yet... unless it works like it does in MM. Also it may be possible that the Triforce is... not bound by a normal concept of time or the OoT isn't powerful enough to effect the Triforce. For example, even though time rewinds, the Triforce doesn't "rewind" with them, it continues forward backwards. That is the Triforce stays with the chosen while they are rewound, but the Triforce itself doesn't come back together it stays apart bound to chosen. The Triforce experiences the rewind the same way Link does. Though the Triforce seems to continue to exist in future for the same reason. The OoT can't actually send the Triforce through time so it also remains. Trying to apply the laws of time to the Triforce might just be impossible because of its divine nature. (Which might be why the timeline is tough to unravel. We try to apply logic and laws to things that might be above those laws.)
This is complicated, but I think the final time travel in OoT does put Link back in time with his memories of the future. Even if at this point, this is the future of another timeline. I don't really know how he was put there, but I remember he goes back inside of the Temple of Time, holding the Master Sword on its pedestal, but at a point before he got inside the Temple in the original timeline, because later we see him meeting the princess inside the castle, however the princess can't be here if he was sent back at a time he had already opened the Temple and pulled the Sword, because at this point Ganondorf had already attacked the castle and Impa and Zelda already fled from the citadel. So I think safe to assume he went back in time with items he didn't have back then.
That could apply to the Triforce. And I recall a very common theory explaining that Link going back in time and taking possession of his part of the Triforce splited the Triforce earlier in the Child Timeline, and his Triforce in the original timeline he just left broke with its possesser gone, explaining why we have to collect the Triforce of Courage pieces in the Wind Waker, in the Adult Timeline.
Sorry if I my sentences don't make sense, this is very complicated stuf, I'm not concentrated and English is not my native language.
@@geianimari65 Nah, your sentences are good.
I just thought of the weird possibility that the Triforce is split in the Child Timeline ending because the OoT couldn't undo that particular event similar to how it couldn't undo the freeing of the Giants in Majora. The Triforce exists outside of time and when the time line split occurs it stays in place relative to its timeline. Adult Timeline Triforce stays unaffected with only Link disappearing. But child timeline Triforce stays separated throughout the rewind because to the Triforce that event has already happened (in the same way Link also sees the event as having happened). The OoT just simply can't put the Triforce back together again because the Triforce isn't bound by the laws of time. The Triforce was separated and hasn't been brought back together in the intended way so it stays with the chosen despite for everyone including Link (though he is aware of it) time was reset to before the separation.
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The entierty of BOTW’s story during the game is told from Kass’ perspective. It’s not immediately evident right away but soon becomes quite clear during the DLC. This would explain the story being so fragmented, because it is told through song and from memory by Kass. And legends throughout history are often told through song or poem. Kass was around for BOTW so he would be able to recount the events and insert himself into certain parts of the story. I think it would be interesting to delve into this. Maybe some of the story points would make a little more sense if looked at from Kass’ perspective. It would also be interesting to delve into who his teacher was.
The name "dark interlopers" has always felt like a hint to me that skews in favor of a connection. Interloper can be defined as "One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity." If the interlopers came from Termina, their name is evident as they don't belong in Hyrule in the first place, attempting to take control of its Golden Power. This also connects really nicely to the Triforce symbols that are found in Ikana, which show that some tribe that lived in Termina did indeed have knowledge of it - the same one, seemingly, that created a statue of Majora in the Stone Tower Temple, and opened a gateway to a dimension seemingly linked to the demon inside that temple.
I think the Mogma evolved into the Subrosians.
The mogma were quoted to love staying down in their lair all day and relaxing. I think they were supposed to help subdue ganon but instead faked their own deaths somehow (or just simply hid their identities) and stayed underground out of guilt and survival. And the Subrosians also live in an underground lair. And are very secretive about their identities.
We've talked about this a little bit, but I want to know, what did Mido *actually* do in the fallen timeline to get a town named after him?
My theory about the divine prank is that the Triforce transcends time. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power like normal, but then despite the time manipulation, he still had it. He wasn't aware he had it up until the execution which is where it kicked in and saved him. This would also explain how Link, Zelda, and their descendents have their pieces despite the Door of Time having never been opened in the timeline where Link was sent back to his childhood. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on my theory!
The door was open when Link went back though. I'd just assumed Link removed the stones and closed it up after he left the Temple.
I have a theory that's not about lore, but behind the scenes stuff. The dev team are trying to erase the Kokiri, even from the lore. Even though the Koroks are supposed to be a sort of evolved form of them, they're a very different species, much like the Zora and the Rito, who BOTH returned in BOTW despite this fact. Every other race, besides certain enemies, were in BOTW. Even the Minish were planned to be in BOTW, but the Kokiri were left behind, their only reappearance being a single ghost form of one in WW. In the lore of OoT and WW, the reason every Link wore a green tunic was because he grew up with the Kokiri. Then, in SS, this was retconned to be that it was his training class or whatever that was why he had worn the green tunic. Even though OoT is a major point in history for The Legend Of Zelda, and many other aspects of the game are shown in one form or another, the Kokiri are ignored by the dev team. This is a huge disappointment to me because I love the Kokiri and would love to see Saria interact with a reincarnation of Link. They're a missed opportunity if you ask me.
Yellow fur, orange noses, blue mask-like markings around their eyes, tendency to dig and pop out of holes in the dirt, affinity for stealing things... to me it's always been a mini theory that the Mogma became Minish Cap's AcroBandits at some point in their evolution
it’s always so great to see Adam and Jordan in each other’s videos, I get whiplash whenever they collab 😂 and these are great theories! I’ve got nothing to add, but wow, Nell’s story caught me by surprise. I had no idea they don’t respawn after blood moons. completely unrelated, but I have a small headcanon that Link sees remnants of people’s memories in the places he visits, maybe as a weird side effect of spending a century in the Shrine of Resurrection and having to recover his own memories through photos in the Sheikah Slate. so if he were to go to the Akkala Citadel, he’d see flashes of soldiers laughing and eating together, training under the harsh sun, and grieving and fighting as they held their last stand. I need to replay this game, I miss it already
That's a nice theory, about Link seeing memories when he visits a place.
Do you see it more like, he sees ghosts, or like, he remembers his own memories of the location ?
@@geianimari65 more on the route where he sees ghosts, almost like holograms of people who were there. his visions would have the scenery restored to how they were when the memory took place, and he could just see short glimpses of moments those people shared. they wouldn’t be able to see him, Link’s visions would be like the memories in-game, where he’d sort of re-enact events in his mind, except he’s actually seeing them and not just closing his eyes and remembering
9:35 I believe when Link went back in time, he has the Triforce of Courage and by that logic splits the triforce up in the child timeline which Young Zelda would of gotten Triforce of Wisdom and sadly Ganondorf getting the Triforce of Power, just for Zelda and Ganondorf, the Triforce lay dormant inside of them until a certain time passed.
I rather think it stays dormant until the bearers have a trigger that activate its power. For Ganondorf in TP, it was being killed, for Link it was being dragged into the Twilight, and Zelda maybe the Twilight too. In OoT, Zelda/Sheik does willingly activate the Triforce by revealing their identity to Link, but we don't know how they triggered it in the first place. I don't remember how Link finds out he has a part of the Triforce. As fI don't remember for Ganondorf, but either he triggers it in the final battle, when his castle is destroyed and he turns into Ganon, so when he gets killed again, or he triggered it prior but I don't know how.
"Twili are not an old enough race" yea, unless they happen to be the Zonai. Maybe the Zonai were their ancestors, maybe the zonai made the mask, with its dragon and stone like designs
2.) I always just thought that Nell either was wearing armor that had been passed down in his family for generations…or he had purchased in in Hateno Village, just like Link did.
3.) An interesting point, here. The UA-camr, Gaijin Goomba did a video on Christian imagery in the LoZ series. the odd thing is that pretty much all instances occur in what we all now know of as the "Fallen Hero Timeline." I made a joke comment on it that, maybe, with the Hero defeated & that timeline being an especially hard time for Hyrule, the People of Hylia decided to abandon the old gods they felt had abandoned them and looked for another who might heal their suffering.
4.) The thing to remember here is that the powers of the Triforce (and each subsequent piece) is completely without any moral compass. Even though these are shards of the power of the goddesses of Hyrule's creation, the ability to use the Triforce is amoral, in the literal sense of the term. It's theoretically possible that the "Divine Prank" may be to keep a balance of that power, but it still seems just a case of fate that the three people are just destined to play, not matter how they try to fight it.
5.) It could also be that the tribe that created Majora's Mask may even either be from the Interlopers, themselves, or a precursor to them, a tribe that inspired them.
I always love colab videos especially with BanditGames
The Divine Prank happened because Link brought his triforce of courage with him when he was sent back. According to the lore if one is claimed then the other two seek out barers.
This was another amazing video! Bandit games and hyrule gamer! What a collab for this amazing series
Thanks!
Personally I've never really liked the whole "Twili created Majora's Mask" theory. I think aside from very general similarities of them being powerful mask/helmet and the small detail of the eyes (which really isn't that strong of a connection) there isn't much to back it up. Also, despite the similarities of the eyes, nothing else between the two styles matches at all. Majora's mask is very colorful and tribalist while the Fused Shadow and other Twili constructed things have a very geometric, monotone design that is completely different. I think it's much more likely that Majora's Mask was simply created by a yet unknown group in the series that we've never seen before.
it could be, that because of Majora's power and the Interloper's history of trying to abuse powerful magical artifacts
maybe the reason why the fused shadow has these weird similarties is because the Interlopers tried to imitate Majora's Mask...
tried to get a weapon that works in the style of the mask
but let's be real, the fused shadow while pretty powerful is nothing compared to the mask, the mask was capable of pulling entire celestial bodies out of the sky, and creating sub-dimensions (the moon-fields, and maybe even Termina itself) while only having control over a fairly weak host
I personally don't see similarities between Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow.
And I'm part of the people who think Termina is a dream, allowing to connect the Mask and the Twili without it to have any incidence in the lore which is very convenient. Although it's not the main goal of the dream theory.
Personally, I think the Subrosians from Holodrum and the Acro-Bandits from “Minish Cap” are the descendants of the Mogma.
There's a hylia statue in Zelda II. I think it's just called a trophy, but it definitely has the right shape and size to be a model for the statues we see in the different towns.
Just moved to Japan and totally missed my 2 favorite Zeldatubers collabing(I love many Zeldatubers but I get extra excited seeing you guys uploading)
Seeing UA-camrs collab makes me so happy. Especially when it’s about Zelda 😍😍
Mayhap the Interlopers were the same group who created Majora's Mask, and then when they were exiled to the Twilight Realm they re-created it with the Fused Shadow, including symbols of power they discovered in Hyrule. Like, they came from Termina/possibly Ikana, and that's WHY they're called Interlopers. They weren't ever from Hyrule and were trying to steal the power of the single most important Hylian artifact. We also know that the Sheikah Eye exists in Termina in MM, so possibly it's presence in Termina reaches back to around the time the Interlopers traveled to Hyrule in the first place.
The Sheikah Eye could also have been added to attempt to control the power summoned in their rituals, as we've seen the Sheikah use and control dark powers.
Zant wearing a gerudo symbol is easily explained - he took it from Ganondorf, his new god. It's standard heraldry for a servant to wear their master's symbol.
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@@HyruleGamer Here's a theory; The cursed swordsman tablet in Hyrule castle's graveyard(from twilight princess) is referring to the hero's shade's grave, or at least where he was supposed to be buried. "The cursed swordsman lies under the sacred tree..." it would make sense if he was cursed, and that's why he's in the form of a skeleton, rather than what he looked like when he died.
Nell also carries a lantern which is often a sign of spirits in zelda. i can't remember other travellers having them (but my memory isnt the best)
A thought on the Hylia situation: She is worshipped more prominently in Skyward Sword because the people of Skyloft are more directly influenced by her lifetime. She's the reason why Skyloft exists, after all, and Skyloft is rather separated from the rest of Hyrule. When the Hylians return to the surface and there is more interaction between them and other species, it makes more sense that the focus would be less on Hylia (something of a minor God) and moreso on the Golden Goddesses, who are responsible for the creation fo the entire world itself. Other species probably recognize the Golden Goddesses, as well, as they relate the Hyrule as a whole, not just the Hylians. Now, why she returns as a main figure in BotW I believe could just be a passage of time and the change of religion. Its obvious that so much time has passed by the time we get to Breath of the Wild, so the creation myth could have fallen into obscurity, the dragons being the only remnants of their names. The history of Hylia and the Hylian's understanding of the reincarnation cycle could have shifted their attention back to her specifically. Discovering the Forgotten Temple is probably a key to that as well.
Great video as always! Love seeing these theories!
Thanks a lot!
The Mask theory, and the Twili being connected to Garudo and Sheikah made me think of a Breath of the Wild theory: One tribe splits in three, like the Triforce, with a group following Wisdom (Sheikah) Power (Garudo, later into Yiga. SS even shows Groose, most likely ancestor, was ultimately a good guy and helper despite being a little bit of a bully/jerk. Like the Yiga in Age of Calamity…) and Courage.. but that group is missing.
We wonder on Zonai or that green glowing magic in BoW2: It’s Twili, too courageous for their own good in the past they sought the Triforce, like Link inevitable does, but were not the fated recipients and got trapped and punished and the rest is history etc
Heck, they probably asked for a pure or perfect world and were sent to a new realm, Twili, since ours can never be pure/perfect with Demise’s Curse out there!
Here’s a minor mystery for you I haven’t seen anywhere else as far as I know.
If you go a little northwest from the Spring of Power in BotW, you’ll find a slope leading up Death Mountain with a surprising amount of enemies, namely Lizalfos and Fire Chuchus. Get to the top and the slope becomes a series of cliffs with some Pebblits on the ledges. Halfway up, you’ll find a ruined stone structure with ruined walls and stairs leading up to a platform.
I was curious about it for a while since it looked like a lookout spot. But looking out for what? If you look out the window to the right, you can make out island on Lake Akkala and the roads leading to the Citadel but not the Citadel itself since it’s blocked by Death Mountain. If you look dead ahead out of the window on the opposite side of the stairs, you can see the East Akkala Stable, the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab and the roads between them. One thing to note, is that if you look at Death Mountain from the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab, it’s just about impossible to spot this structure.
Now go further up the mountain. Here’s a building with the layout of the soldier garrisons and outposts we see, mostly ruined, with hardened lava having rushed in through broken sections of the walls.
Here’s the question. Why is there a lookout and garrison that can’t be spotted in this little hidden spot on the mountain? It can’t be to monitor Death Mountain. You’d pick a safer spot. To keep an eye on any soldiers marching from Akkala Citadel? Maybe, but why only when they’re marching north and not the citadel itself?
Given that you can spot the Tech Lab but you can’t see either the lookout or garrison from the Tech Lab, I think it’s possible that the royal family was keeping an eye on the lighthouse.
We don’t know who operated it before Robbie did, but maybe it was more Sheikah. And given how far away it is from central hyrule, maybe they feared the Sheikah were covertly operating behind the royals backs, thus leading to spies being placed on Death Mountain to keep a faraway eye on things. I can’t imagine they were there for protecting the lighthouse, given they’d have to descend the volcano and cross the Akkala valley and again, the citadel is just down the road.
Even the idea they might have been watching for invaders by sea falls a bit short in my mind given how obscured the sea is by Tumlea Heights and Death Mountain.
Thats is interesting will have to check it out myself
There's nothing to suggest it in amy of the media, but I always read Crom (Fierce Deity) and Majora as being half brothers who were constantly at war with one another, with the moon being Crom's father, and Majora's father having been some kind of sun God who Crom would have killed in one of their many prior battles, also the Goddess of Time (or at least the Goddess of Time of Termina) is their mother which is why she couldn't just kill them, and so eventually turned to a group of sorcerers to have them bind the two Gods to masks, and then the Giants would have been left to tend to the battered and scorched earth, themselves being some kind of elemental spirits born from the terrains, while the sorcerers kept and used the masks for their "hexing rituals."
I’ve been curious about the Ocean Temple in Spirit Tracks. It’s always been perplexing that the Ocean Realm is the only realm that shares its realm with another realm (other than the Dark Realm in the Forest Realm but it’s basically like the Other Side so), The Sand Realm. And, about 100 years ago, maybe a little more, the ocean flooded out the land, meaning the ocean wouldn’t have been where it lays in Spirit Tracks. It would’ve been much lower. Seeing Byrne left the Tower of Spirits 100 years ago, about the time of the flood. He’s a grown man, and seeing as the other Lokomo are elderly, they do age, so it’s likely they existed here before the time of the flood. The temples likely were places of worship for the Spirits of Good, and for the Ocean Temple to be an *Ocean Temple*, there would have to be an ocean there, but if there wasn’t one that high in ancient times, probably when the Lokomo were more abundant (if there were ever more than seven), what was the Ocean Temple? Did the divine race of the Spirits just *move* it? Did they build a new one? These buildings are so important, and the Lokomo have extensive knowledge, it’d be weird for a new Spirit to just emerge, that is if these temples were used for worship or something before they became a primary source of power for the Tower Of Spirits. What is the story of the Ocean Temple?
Zant having the Gerudo symbol is easily explained, its there to forshadoe he works for Ganondorf. Veran and Onox both wear it and work for Twinrova in the oracle games.
I always believe the theory that the tribes from Ikana build the stone tower to reach their heavens (like the tower of babel) but instead led them to a portal leading to the desert (all the while thinking they reached the heavens) where Twinmold eventually resides. This desert connects to the gerudo desert and that is how they entered Hyrule. This is of course linked to the idea of Termina being a mirror universe of sorts. And Link entered this place by going through the corridor in between the woods and the clocktower which was a portal on its own
If you look really closely during ganandorf's execution it is the triangle within the center on his hand that glows brighter the rest are faded
I would love a theory about how do the timelines merge into Breath of the Wild.
Breath of the Wild seems to come from no timeline, yet all at once.
Hyrule Warriors (original) should be canon, there, the timelines merge, but if it keeps non canon, what happened?
The timelines don't truly merge in Hyrule Warriors, more like pockets of space and time from other times poked into the time of Hyrule Warriors. A true merging of the timelines would be a 100% merge. If, say, it was only 33% of downfall, child, and adult, then 66% percent of each timeline would still persist as there own timelines, which, while interesting, would make the zelda timeline much more complicated than it needs to be.
You could make the argument that Link brought the Triforce of Courage back into the Child Timeline since in the credits of OoT he has it on his hand when meeting Zelda again. It could have something to do with Ganondorf suddenly having it since it basically forces the Triforce to split. Idk what happened to the other Triforce of Courage, maybe it ceased to exist.
1. *"What happened to the Magmas?"*
Despite their name, I actually doubt they are actually native to Elden. My reason for this is that they are Treasure Hunters and traveled to Elden Volcano in search of treasure. Perhaps they left for elsewhere long before the Gorons moved in.
3. *"Hylia worship"*
The first appearance of the Hylia Goddess Statue is actually Zelda II, The Adventure of Link so Hylia was created before Skyward Sword. There's also Lake Hylia and the "Goddess of Time" in Majora's Mask.
This doesn't actually answer the question of Hylia vs 3 Goddess Worship but the existence of the Goddess Statue in Zelda II is an indication that Hylians worshipped Hylia at the time while the very concept IRL of the Three Golden Goddesses wasn't a thing until A Link to the Past.
4. *"Divine Prank"*
My interpretation of the divine prank is that when the Hero of Time was Sent back in time, he had the Triforce of Courage. However, when he was sent back in time, the Triforce of Courage from the Unified/Adult Timeline didn't go back with him and shattered into 8 pieces as a consequence. When Link arrived in the Child Timeline, he automatically gained the Triforce of Courage from the Child Timeline because he was supposed to have the Adult Timeline version. And since Link automatically gained the Child Timeline's Triforce of Courage, Zelda automatically received it's Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf automatically received it's Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf only found out he had it when sometime after his execution and imprisonment into the Twilight Realm after accidentally using it's power upon dying from being lethally impaled by the Sage's Sword out of desperation of refusing to die.
It's still a consequence of Zelda but it's not really a divine prank or some punishment. Merely the consequence of cause and effect.
Side Note:
*"…like the Zora race becoming the Rito…"*
…sigh…
I'll say it again: Only Medli's family seems to have Zora blood in her veins as there is another Rito in the Wind Waker who descended from the Running man, therefore has Hylian Blood running through his veins. Therefore, Medli descending from the Zora is not proof that then entire race Rito descended from the Zora.
According to Eiji Aonuma and the Ocarina of Time Manga, the Rito existed by the time of Ocarina of Time, the Manga being the very first appearance of the Rito.
09:34 Like Steins;Gate, the Hyrulian world line was switched when Zelda and Link manipulated time. Even though Ganondorf was stopped in the future, that was now a new world line unconnected to the previous past. When Link went back to being a child, That Ganondorf was still a Worthy Vessel for the Triforce of Power. Him being stopped in the future did nothing to impact his worthiness for the Power piece, thusly, history was not altered enough to bring Hyrule to a world line where Ganondorf was no longer a threat. Even if Ganondorf wasn't almost executed, the Triforce of Power was guaranteed to become his because he will Always get it on that world line.
Can you sometime do a theory video on who Makeela's (Riju's) father was? (In BOTW)
I know there isn't a lot to go on, but it would be very interesting.
If you're taking more theories, I have one. I think BotW is a fourth timeline.
Child timeline: Link is sent back to get to live his childhood, we get Majora's Mask as a direct sequel.
Adult timeline: Link is sent to the past, but the world he left behind continues on with its hero now having vanished.
Fallen timeline: Link loses to Ganon/Ganondorf.
What about if he stayed as an adult with Zelda instead? Doesn't get sent back, but continues to rebuild Hyrule and Zelda never sends him to his stolen childhood. A fourth timeline, and maybe one that BotW is in?
In Ocarina, we learn that the Gerudo have male children every 100 years, and with Ganondorf dead, the next reincarnation would bring another hero 100 years later. Over and over, like an arms race as the centuries go on until we get to the technology of the Sheikah 10,000 years prior to BotW. If BotW 2 confirms that Ganondorf hasn't actually died, it could explain why he hasn't reincarnated to schedule, and why the technology was lost. I haven't been able to fully flesh this one out yet.
If that was the case, though, then each Link would have left behind a stack of training and cheat codes, maybe even control over some aspects of time like in the BotW2 trailer. Their magic just keeps getting stronger and stronger, and BotW has to relearn hundreds of generations of Heroes that perfected beating Ganon.
Maybe the fierce deity also made the fused shadow mask since the fierce deity was the one who made the Majora's mask and maybe also made the fire e deity mask in a effort to live forever but ended up trapping himself in the mask instead or for whatever reason he made himself into a mask. (I'm going off by that legend of Zelda Majora's mask manga that came out that reference the fierce deity killing majora and making the mask.) Making the fierce deity part of the shadow Interlopers.
If the interlopers were not a race, but a collection of individuals across all races at the time, its possible that the descendants of the people who created Majora’s Mask are one of the groups that existed at the time they were banished, and thus Twili culture began as a fusion of all the races around at the time.
Actually, if you consider that symbols from one culture can have an impact on another, it is possible that the symbolism on the fused shadow was originally from a single group, they would have left behind relics and artifacts, plus other groups would have interacted with them prior to banishment, so those symbols could also be from the interlopers and copied by the tribes that remain in the time of the games.
Submission 4: I think, time Manipulation isn't a Cheat. It's probably even intended. After all, in Skyward Sword Hylia herself manipulates time.
I would still love to see a theory done on the happy mask salesman actually being giraheem
What ? I'm interested too ! What are your arguments ?
@@geianimari65 well garrahim was known to perform hexing rituals it was never confirmed that he died alongside demise the happy mask salesman has a very similar personality traits to garrahim and the happy mask salesman is in possession of a mask that was used in rituals that is the short version of my argument I'm still looking into it gathering more information but I feel there's a solid chance I could be right
@@XBANGARANGX It's true that we never actually witnessed Ghirahim functionally die. We do see Demise absorbing him inside his sword, but as Fay frequently gets in and out of the Master Sword it really means nothing. Then we see the sword disappearing when Demise is defeated, but we don't know what it means either.
Not mentioning this happens in another timeline and that there is another Ghirahim somewhere roaming free, BUT I should explain the other timeline theory and it's long. I explained it in my own comment if it interests you tho.
For the rest, I don't think the Happy Masks Salesman and Ghirahim are anythnig similar whatsoever. Maybe your arguments are very personal feelings about it, but maybe by some digging you could find some consistent hint to your theory.
@@geianimari65 yes and I have been digging for anything that can conclusively connect Ghirahim and the happy mask salesman and majora mask is the most likely connection but not a definitive connection
@@geianimari65 and the reason I say that is because I'm looking into who thought twinrova there magic
I believe the happy mask salesman is very deceiving in what he says and who he claims to be. I think he has some dark secrets and something to do with the majoras mask that we don’t know about.
The zonai were the interlopers who became the twili, and they made the Majoras Mask.
We know the zonai were an ancient tribe. We also know they got lost to history. It's either implied or stated outright that they were powerful magic users.
The interlopers were a tribe of magic users trying to claim the power of the gods for themselves. They became powerful enough that it is as though they started to rival the power of the gods, who then drove them from the land. They created the fused shadows, powerful magical artifacts which can corrupt the wearers, as ways to gain entry to the sacred realm. 3 for the gods they wanted the power of, one for their leader, as a conduit to the other 3. They were apparently driven out of hyrule during the hyrulean civil war.
There is a war at the time of link's birth in oot. His mother is fleeing it, which is why he is orphaned and raised in the forest. This war was likely the hyrule civil war. The happy mask salesman likely acquired the mask from a zonai fleeing persecution. He lost it several years later when traveling through the woods, starting the events of MM. They're mentioned to be an ancient tribe of magic users who used the mask in hexing rituals.
It is possible they're disparate tribes, but the zelda series doesnt make references like that repeatedly to have it come to nothing. There is a repeated reference to "ancient tribe of magic users." Which gets highlighted in game text. Usually the hhighlight indicates they're talking about some known group, and usually that group is always referred to the same way or close to the same way. This is like "triumph forks" "golden power" "sacred power" and "power of the gods" meaning "triforce", or "tribe of desert dwelling beauties" being the gerudo. "Proud/rock-eating/ mountain folk" are all descriptions which always only refer to the gorons. I think "ancient tribe of magic users" is just one tribe. It is like "the tribe that serves the royal family" and "shadow folk" being a reference to the shiekah and always the shiekah. Once the series establishes some identifying things like those and puts them in highlights, it's usually that they're referencing the same group of people.
Maybe the Shekiah saw those eye symbols and adopted them as their own? Zant probably has gerudo patterns because he works for gannondorf who is a gerudo?
nah, the tribe that made majora's mask pretty much were from ikana canyon's secret shrine. You can see heart-shaped masks hanging on the ceiling, and ritualistic symbols on walls.
Awesome HG and Bandit in the house. Good video. Good theories again. All solid. See ya Gentlemen.
Thanks a lot!
I think the fused shadow appears similar to Majoras mask to make us reminisce about our previous encounter from an evil artifact. I think the designs in twilight Princess are a mix of cultures influences such as sheikah and gerudo. And I don’t think they’re coincidences either
Nell mystery can be further proven, he only comes back after a blood moon, no other npcs do that cause you find them in other locations.
Cause I went and saved him and next day after I rested he was not there but only appears back there after blood moon.
So either he is a ghost or he finds some campsite we never see and only returns after blood moon.
I lean more towards the former.
The mogmas could have become the mole enemies in Minish Cap. But that's about all I can think of.
Thought:
What if, Majora’s Mask was simply the first attempt to make the more powerful fused shadow?
But it went wrong and the mask instead became home to a powerful, uncontrollable demon, Majora.
I still think the Twilight Realm originated from "A Link to the Past" having its parallel dark world.
This is mostly a guess but the majoras mask could be the fused shadow and thanks to the lack of twili magic it transformed into the majoras mask instead. There is not much proof but it is a possibility as they have a lot in common already and somehow it needed to have changed if it whould be the fused shadow.
Another theory i heard a long time ago is that there was a god that was named majora and took the form of a dragon. People worshiped it and someone managed to get their hand on majoras scales and made a mask out of it that contained majoras power. After Majoras mortal body died his soul got transported inside the mask as that is what is left of his power on earth and eventually turned mad which made majora want to destroy the world and its own mask. The mask whould be too powerfull to be easily destroyed but eventually majora realised that the moon could posibly break the mask releasing his energy.
As a part of it majoras madness had created a parallel world of hyrule termina which could just be a part of the twilight dimension as even more proof towards the original statement in the video if there was any proof to all this.
I do not remember much more of the theory and have absolutely no proof at all.
I love Hyrule Gamer, I love MaskedNintendoBandit (wait when did he change his name?!), and I love theories, and I will never stop telling mine until it is in a video !
So, here's my theory in short: There is a split of timelines in Skyward Sword but the developers/scenarists/whoever made the decision about that didn't know how time travel works and there are loads of inconsistencies about time travel in this game.
The theory in not short: (and sorry it might take a while, and sorry if I make mistakes, English is not my native language)
I have a very strict way of thinking how time travel works in fiction (and considering it doesn't exist aside from fiction, how time travel works at all) : what already happened can't be undone, even by time travel. That's why there are two ways of time travel to act on time :
- in the case of a closed time loop, traveling in the past doesn't change the timeline, the time travel already happened before the time traveler traveled in time ; the time travel is part of the timeline.
- in the case of a time split, traveling in the past does actually change the timeline, but considering what already happened can't not have happened, the timeline from where the time traveler comes from stays unchanged, and a new timeline derivates from the original one, with a different course of event.
This was probably clear for most people, but it was important to state before talking about the main subject.
Speaking of which : In the end of Skyward Sword, after Link fought the Imprisoned for the last time and used the Triforce to destroy it, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda, and travels back in time to free Demise at a time where the Imprisoned hasn't been destroyed yet. Then Link follows him in the past to fight and kill Demise, before returning to his own time with Zelda.
And here's the problem : in the future of that past, the Imprisoned doesn't exist anymore, because Demise was killed and NOT SEALED BACK INTO THE IMPRISONED as some people think.
Because the Imprisoned is the restrained form of Demise caused by the seal of the Goddess Hylia. In the original timeline, Demise was sealed until Link fought him several times before using the Triforce to destroy him. Considering what happened in the past in the final act of the game, they created a new course of event where Demise was sealed into the Imprisoned for way less time, freed by Ghirahim from the future and killed by Link from the future. In the future of this course of event, the Imprisoned doesn't exist anymore, so it can't be the past of Link's present, where the Imprisoned did in fact exist, he even fought it several times and destroy it with the Triforce. So, at this point, a new timeline has been created, with a different succession of events, because the past was changed, but the original timeline still exists, unchanged, and continues to exist on its own.
However, when Link and Zelda (and Goose) go back to the present, they find Impa and the Master Sword they just left in the past, like they've been waiting the whole time for them, which should be in a closed time loop case. That could mean they went back in the present, but of a timeline that isn't theirs. And I can't tell you how messed up this is.
And there are a bunch of hints that lead either to one or another model of time travel, because I really think the developers didn't know how time travel works, or at least not as strictly as I conceptualize it. I didn't talk about Zelda in her cristal yet, I thought I could put it aside from the timesplit paradoxe because the loop was closed before Ghirahim created the new timeline, but Impa stayed in the past so the Gate of Time was never closed, so Ghirahim traveled in a past where Zelda was in her cristal, so what happens to her if there's a time split ? And if the ending really is the end of a timeloop, how comes that Impa is here all along but not the Master Sword ? And this is not the only time the Gate of Time is used in the game, when Link plants the Tree of Life is messed up too, because when he leaves, the Tree doesn't exist in his present, but once he planted it in the past and comes back, the Tree always existed here, so why did he have to plant it in the first place ?
Now, I have a sort of solution to all the paradoxes and inconsistencies (except for the Tree of Life, this is hopeless), but it's more of a fanfiction that a proper theory. We know Goddess Hylia had a sort of foresight or future visions, and she created the Gate of Time, and I humbly assume she knows how time travel works. She may have known the Gate would be used in the future, and the possibility of either a timesplit or a timeloop. She could have given instruction to her servants who would be here at that time, namely Impa and Fi (we call her Fay in French, in Japanese she's called Fai), to do so the paradoxes of time travel would go unnoticed by the mortals. That may be why Fai insisted to stay in the past after killing Demise and absorbing the remainings of his spirit ; to go back to her original timeline would mean there would be two of Demise in the same timeline, so Impa could have sent the Master Sword of the other timeline to the original one so there is one Master Sword and one Demise in each timeline. That may be why we can't see the Master Sword in the Temple during the game as we can see Zelda's cristal and old Impa. Same goes for Ghirahim, I don't really know what happens to him when Demise is defeated, but at this point there is two of him in the timeline, so Impa and Fai would have to send one in the other.
And about Impa, actually I'm not sure, because she's from the past in the first place, but she traveled in time really early in the course of event, so I'm not sure there is another version of her in the past. But to be present in the original timeline in the end of the game, she must have used the Gate of Time to travel to it before it closes in this timeline.
Thanks for reading this far, I hope it was clear, I hope it will get someone's interest, good luck re-phrasing it for the video if you take it Mr Gamer.
I love your guys's hylian discussions and theories
The Twilight are the sorcerers of the gerudo tribe, kinda like the yiga were ninjas from them.
Okay, where the freaking HELL did the Hylia statue go in 7:26?
As for the fused shadow,
It's broken where the right eye of Majora's mask would perfectly line up. A possibility that the *Fused Shadow* was... fused with Majora's mask at one point? That the HMS accidentally broke it getting the mask it was attached to? As it is in Twilight Princess, it's not *fused* with anything. It's just a stone headdress (A broken one, at that). The HMS does say he went through a lot of trouble to get the FS. I would guess stealing a sacred (and dangerous) artifact from a still living tribe, breaking it in the process, would counts as 'a lot of trouble'.
Still begs the question of how the Happy Mask Salesman entered the Twili Realm on his own... though he got to and left Termina just fine, so does that really *need* an explanation at all?
My take on the Divine Prank is that Link went back in time while carrying a piece of the Triforce, thus causing the Triforce in the past to split, while the Triforce piece that Link had went back to the future. I could be wrong though,
In a way, Ganondorf could be thought of as tragically destined to fail in a similar manner to Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. In "standard" events, both are soundly defeated by the hero, that being the Hero of Time or the great-great grandson of Dio's nemesis Jonathan Joestar. In Ganondorf's case, this leads to his actual death in The Wind Waker and in Twilight Princess. What if the hero fails? The villain still falls. Ganondorf is killed in A Link to the Past, only to be brought back as a mindless beast to be used later on. In JoJo: Eyes of Heaven, story mode is quite literally, "What if Dio defeated Jotaro?" Well, in a twisted series of events, which include Dio becoming the strongest being in the multiverse, Dio...still falls to Jotaro. Whether they win or lose, the fate of Dio and Ganondorf is to be felled by the hero. It's kind of tragic, given what each goes through early in life.
Since it was brought up that Zant has symbols for Gerudo while the throne and fused shadow have the Sheikah symbol, would it be possible that the Twili were the first Yiga? They just were banished and the Twilight warped their bodies, while Yiga that weren’t captured continued on in the shadows… ?
I apologise for the negativity I just wanted to point these out:
2:25 "Species in the Zelda universe never really seem to go extinct."
There are leviathan bones all over BoTW's map that beg to differ. And since there are other species (Zonai) that we can't say didn't go extinct, since we know so little about them.
3:05 "We do know they are not the ancestors of Gorons, for instance, since Gorons are proven to already be a species in the events of Skyward Sword."
The Rito and Zora... would like a word lol. Also, who says the Mogma have to not be around in order [for some] to turn into Gorons.
Imagine fighting calamity Ganon over and over for 100 year without a single game over (death).
No wonder Zelda was really wanting link to hurry up
My 2 Cents on Majora+Fused shadow's origin:
Since Skyward, we know that the world has constants.
In the begining the 3 golden godess created a balanced place, and left it's people a tool to ensure balance and creation continued. Became more complex and expanded.
They created space,time, and life. As dubed by the people power,wisdom, corage. The tool that controls all tree, the tri-force. And left. Or became the Tri-force itself.
From somewhere else, the demon tribe came into the current world of hyrule, with the objetive to ''rule'' it's existence.
The Cycle of constant battle from existence vs non-existence was there before the godness trio, and their tools of creation were also bound to the rules they followed.
A force that plays against this expansion of everything would stop and go back into nothing.
As the main villain ''bringer of demise'', was locked and released and reborn over and over, it keeps on being the barrer of the power, space.
Coming from somewhere else, atempting to control all it can. Met by the continuous constance of his existence, one that leads to nothing.
While it's whole existance appears to be a fight to destroy everything. The bringer's of demise champion, Ganon, holds power, a part of the whole.
Time is nothing without space, both are nothing without life. 3 dimensions that coexist in balance or order sustained by a constant fight against inbalance or disorder.
So the 3 elements are nothing without each other, and the trio is only a side of a coin.
A forth force, destruction, consequence, nothingness. Or fate.
Time is recurrently used by the wisdom holder, waiting, traveling through it, and even disrupting it.
Time is always used to restore balance as if it had no consequence. But what if it did, as it is cannon, time travel creates multiple parallel realities.
What if the twilight is another version of hyrule, one that lost all hope and it's inhabitants devolved in what we now know as the demon tribe, and constantly atempt to regain balance.
One that is just the future. Every interation of Hyrule possible leading do a Lowrule or alternative cenario, with many atempts to replicate the tri-force, a single objects through space-time-lives that only apear in very specific moments across this muliverse.
Through the creation of artifacts as the Majoras Mask or the Fused Shadow. Either they are the same object or not.
Unfortunatly these instruments derive from the work of lesser beings, incomplete versions of the 3 elements. Resulting in unbalanced and destructive forces. Such as the courage being twisted into desire, and life not being about balance but strugle, a Mask that achieves the desires of unbalanced users as twisted courage. The Fused Shadow acted as an inbalanced version of wisdom, a bad use of time. One that could bring those that are long lost back to a time before it even happened and change fate. An instrument that regularly shows uncontrolled power and shapes space.
The Shikas are one of the few tribes that seem aware of how fate works, constantly trying holding extensive knowlodge of how time works, even how parallel world's work. Perhaps they become the future Twili, maybe they know what is the deal with all of this. And maybe Breath of the wild is the end game where all these realities merge.
Concluding: As the Tri-force is a divine made tool for balance, there is a inherent consequential tool made for inbalance. Hence every time-line eventually develops a version of the Majoras Mask.
Either though fragments of the same object, or achieving the same knowlodge. I belive the Shika's eventually temper with the ''sacred balance'' they so eager try to protect, become the demons and repeat the cycle.
Alot missing in the explanation but this is a youtube comment, just leaving it up for whoever wants to make a video likes some mind-fodder =]
I posted my theory in the last video, but here it is again incase you decide to feature it next time:
The Zora in the Downfall Timeline are savage and violent because they isolated themselves from Hylians. This could be because to seal Ganon away after Link died, it cost the Six Sages their lifeforce so it meant Ruto died. The Zora blamed the Hylians for this and isolated themselves, degressing into the Savahe River Zora. This could be likely as we saw how spiteful the Zora got in Breath of the Wild after Mipha's death so maybe the same thing could have happened for the Downfall Timeline.
I personally believe the divine prank is the result of Link travelling back in time at the end of Ocarina of time.According to the Ganondorf monologue before his battle,if someone is imbalanced, they will not be able to wield the full triforce.As a child Link couldn't have had the wisdom or power to have all three pieces,only courage remained.In twilight princess,it is clear that Link and Zelda were born with the Triforce of courage/wisdom and Ganondorf has the Triforce of power.I'm not sure if this is true in The Zelda series,but i may as well be,in pop culture,generally when two things from seperate places in time that are the same,will fuse and become one,what if when Link travelled to the child timeline,he accidentally fused the riforce from that timeline wih his triforce of courage,because he was imbalanced,it would split and go to the strongest,and wisest people in Hyrule at the time,Zelda and Ganondorf,Link would be left ith the triforce of courage and it would eventually be passed down to the hero of twilight.
Theory, following up on Majoras mask being made by the twili (more so some evidence presented in that subject) what if the twili aren’t a race of their own originally, but rather a cult-ish group, made up of a some people from a few different races, this would explain the sheikah and Gerudo imagery and such, and they could, through time spent in the twilight realm and the natural progression of races combining would explain them becoming their own race as well
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I bet you didn't think about this, but maybe the sheika tribe are the real villains in the series? Their symbols are found all over the place and on masks and weapons of power. I wouldn't be surprised if in a change of leadership at some point an ancient sheika leader twisted the goddesses words by convincing the other members of the tribe to make weapons of power, but was stopped by the hero of *********.
This might be more of a head canon than a theory but regarding Majoras Mask and the Twili, seeing as Majora is almost definitely a female deity or demon of sorts, it feels fitting that the leader of the tribe who created and used the mask would be Midna, a sort of matriarch. I don’t hear enough people talk about how feminine Majora is, especially in the boss fights, Majora’s Wrath has the most devious feminine laugh. Also she is my girlfriend.
Edit: another thought, based on the Twili seeming to represent so many Hylian tribes with their symbols, it could be that they’re a missing link between all the races and or religions, but I think it’s more likely that they are descendants of three people from different parts of Hylia, I’m not sure if there’s any info about the dark interlopers races, but it could very well be that there was a sheikah, a Gerudo, and someone who worked for the royal family, after all, you need someone from the royal family to get information on the whereabouts of the triforce, it seems like the perfect trio of people to get just close enough to the sacred realm.
I remember ages ago someone noticing the sheika eye on the fused shadow, and proposing the Interlopers were defectors (like the Yiga) from the sheika. Perhaps some ancient Gerudo were also part of that. Anyway, I've always been of the mind that the Twighlight realm itself is what turned the Interlopers from Hylian appearing to the Twili. Untold centuries in the darkness would cause mutations and evolution into an entirely new race.
I like the idea that the Fused Shadow is a manifestation of Majora's power. I like that it adds mystery to the mask rather than solve any!
I thought the reason ganondorf got the triforce of power was because they sent link back in time back in time and brought the triforce of courage back in time which gave Zelda and ganondorf pieces of the triforce
Regarding no. 4...... My understanding is that Link has the Triforce of Courage within him throughout OoT, even when he travels back/forth using the sword. However, when Zelda sends him back to the point where they first meet, he brings his share of the Triforce with him, which results in there being TWO Triforces of Courage. Since the entire point of the Triforce is about proper balance, there cannot be two of one piece. This causes the Triforce to split up, unknown to anyone. The power and wisdom pieces go to Ganondorf and Zelda, respectively, and one of the courage pieces to make its way over to the adult timeline since there's no Triforce of Courage in that timeline anymore.
The three goddesses are good. The "they freed Ganondorg because Z&L cheated in a time&space way" bit is just wrong, lmao.
I think the gorons kicked out the mogmas from eldon ngl
When you mess with time it has a tendency to mess back.
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From a certain point of view.
In a Zelda video?!
Nerd overload!
the interlopers made Majora's Mask, the Twili are the descendants of that tribe. hey, maybe it was also the interlopers that fought against the Ikana Kingdom and the creators of the stone tower.
Nell is a ghost. The lantern, which is associated with ghosts throughout the series, is a........DEAD GIVEAWAY!
Maybe hylia is the goddess of time mentioned in termina and the 3 golden goddesses are her children similar to zeus and the gods of Olympus
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Theory: Ganondorf didn’t die in Twilight Princess “ganon” appears in FSA we never see ganondorf however. It’s implied he was ganondorf a new one reincarnated but hyrule historia says:
“ after his defeat ganondorfs evil thoughts transcend time and space and manifested through the dark mirror (of Four Swords adventures) into the shadow links”.
We never see ganondorf, what if ganon in FSA is a shadow version of himself too and the ganondorf we see in the trailer to breath of the wild 2 is the same ganondorf from OOT, and TP. the chest wound the hand is covering is the exact spot where he was injured hundred of thousands years. This would explain why there hasn’t been another male born in the gerudo tribe. Because he is still technically alive
Side note: Ganondorf if cunning and has seen swearing loyalty to the king in OOT when he had darker intentions, is it so much of a stretch that his shadow created self would act “good” to gain the trust of his fellow tribe before acting on his plan in FSA
Another note if I’m not mistaken it’s never stated in hyrule historia that Ganondorf died in TP but he was “defeated”
Subscribed you have my gratitude with how you interact with your community and since you love twilight Princess and I love the child timeline OOT->MM->TP->FSA->BOTW
Magmas look like small dadongos maybe the lava and fire would eventually turn their fur more scaly due to heat/fire
Cool stuff, and welcome Bandit!
I think the twilight realm plays a bigger part in there series than we realize. The place itself has been there as long as Hyrule has, whether inhabited or not. Maybe lowrule and twili are connected, maybe (modern) monsters are influenced by the twilight realm, or are darkness leaking into Hyrule at dusk, or even the change in races/ disappearance or races are because of it. I'm not sure how or what the twilight realm is in relation to Hyrule, but it's hard to believe the events in tp are the only ones where twilight mixes with light, especially considering the mirror in botw. Some of these are more likely than others, but I know the twilight realm is a big puzzle piece in the ever expanding lore and mysteries that is legend of Zelda
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I'm have a theorie/zelda subject that could be a video
So when you beat the champions ballad in botw you get a pretty interesting cutscene. When links divine beast unravels, those pilars that you can see near hyrule castle grow out of it. The same can be seen for links but they're BLUE.
Some things can we get out of this
-it could be just like a good versus evil
-what is it that activates the pillars
Cause by Ganon they were red and link blue so maybe its their Intention
*Main thing*
-what kinda impact does it have on botw 2
The team said that they had so much ideas for the dlc that they made a new game
When I beat the dlc for the first time I was expecting a divine beast batle with 2 castle's flouting in the sky
But that maybe didn't happen because of time Constraints.
So the team packed it in the sequel
I can already see the floating castle (littarly in the trailer)
What do you think?
Here are some pics that made me inspired
If anybody knows what are other ways I can reach hg?
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One thing I did find interesting was the Twili's prophecy about the Sacred Beast and the Hero of Time. It definitely isn't a coincidence that he would leave howling stones around the map, entrusted his arsenal to the different races, that he himself can transform into a wolf, and that the Twili had a prophecy about a Sacred Beast that can save them.
To add to that, we see that Link's wolf mode happens when in contact with Twilight while having the Triforce of Courage, so it leads one to believe that the Hero of Time, since he had the Triforce of Courage coming back to the Child Timeline, at some point came into contact with the Twili, leading to the prophecy since he would've been transformed into a wolf there. He probably foresaw a conflict between light and shadow and began giving his bow and stuff to different races and leaving Howling Stones for his descendants just in case. Idk just my thoughts since it sounds kinda cool
I first encountered nell a few days ago actually, but that was a long time after I activated the tower
its probably not that he doesn't respawn after the tower
its more likely that he only spawns once
Anyone want to talk about how the male garudo was born in the hundred 100 years told in legend. When link wakes up there is one and it's not ganon. It's the guy you get your girl clothes from. He has the skin tone and red hair.
Awesome collab! Fan of both! And awesome to see bandit doin zelda and elden ring
Heck yeah!
How about a video on whether the spiritual stones were used to make something else after Oot. Or were there other Gerudo kings who weren't named Ganondorf. Or how did the Gerudo desert- which seems to be the desert in Skyward Sword which was shown to have been destroyed due to mining time shift stones- became able to support life and have Springs as seen in BotW
The mogma could have just moved to a different area too. Hyrule isn’t the size of the planet they live on