Honey Pump Pros, Cons, & KABOOMS!!! -
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In my opinion, the value in this discussion is in helping beekeepers make INFORMED decisions. For instance, Mann Lake and Dadant both sell a honey pump based off of a Roper 1.5" gear pump. Mann Lake sets it up with a 3/4 horse motor and single set of pulleys. Dadant sets it up with a 1 horse motor plus a jack shaft with extra pulleys that gives you four pumping speeds. This allows you to pump cold honey or warm honey, or to match the speed to your extractor, etc. The Dadant pump costs almost $250 more than the Mann Lake pump, but now I know that money buys a bigger motor and adjustable speed.
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About the foreign pumps, electrical engineer here: different Volatage pumps are likely to be damaged or not run well. Different Hertz pumps may or may not be destroyed or run worse, it depends on the type of electronics used. If you ask overseas and the answer was wrong it might be hard to get paid back, so my advice would be not to gamble here. I think saving a little longer and getting a reliable part is a good idea anyway.
Very helpful, I’ll pin this. Thanks
@@DuckRiverHoney thank you
@@DuckRiverHoney I wish you all the best with your operation. Regarding your way of learning I‘m sure you‘ll make it. Isnt it great that we can get help from the other side of the world nowadays? I learned a lot about honey pumps here … and concrete 😂
LOL, it’s amazing the HARD and EXPENSIVE lessons we can all skip because folks like Bob are so generous with their wisdom.
Standard North American domestic electrical grid is single phase 60 Hz AC at 120 volts and 240 volt.
Standard Europe domestic electrical grid is 50 Hz AC at 230 volt.
Just about every modern motor has wiring taps under the cover with a decal of which wires to connect for the voltage used.
The difference in voltage will have a little effect on the power (strength) of the motor. That is not going to be a problem unless it is being run near full load.
The frequency 50 vs 60 dictated the speed of the motor. It can have a large impact. Hooking a 50 Hz motor to 60 Hz supply will cause it to run 20% faster. If it is running near full load that extra speed will overload the motor. That extra speed also may out of range of stator/rotor timing, throwing off the PF (power factor) generating heat and loss of efficiency.
If there is a VFD on the machine - most of the above goes away as the VFD compensates.
Great series
Bob is a wealth of knowledge and this will allow me (on a much smaller scale) to make the proper purchases the 1st time.
Thx again
Thanks Dave
Great series. Thanks for taking the time to make these. I doubt I will ever be at Bobs level of honey production and packing, but I’m definitely learning and will use the information on my next Honey house. Happy Beekeeping
Thanks Craig, I don’t intend to get to that scale either, but the info is great to have. Bob is very generous to share knowledge that has been gained the hard way.
@@DuckRiverHoney I wish I had had him as a mentor when I got started.
Mistakes tend to be expensive. Good knowledge up front is like money in the bank.
These interviews have been so bang on! I'll never be that large an operation (don't want to bee) but it is so wonderful to know that this information is being shared. Thank you both for all the info you provide!
Thanks Nancy, I appreciate it. I had a lot of fun with Bob and wow did he get my wheels turning!
Great series. I have greatly enjoyed it. I am about to get my first colony this spring and have been binging both of yalls’ channels for guidance and boy, Ive found it in bundles
Beekeeping is amazing, good luck!
Thank you for doing this series.
It was fun, thanks Andrew.
Awesome series and great interview
Thanks Stephen
Super informative series!!!
Thanks Bill
Awesome series. Always interesting when Bob talks.
Thanks Peter!
Love the series. Thanks for the info. On a side note I met and bothered both of you at the Hive Life conference. I’m a big fan and watch every episode so meeting you was a thrill. Best of luck on both of your seasons.
Thanks Dave!
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More good info. Thanks.
Thanks Barry!
Could use some information about cleaning pumps. Was a wealth of knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
Most of what I've seen says run hot water through it when you're done. You do NOT want to leave honey sitting in it for a long time or the pump can seize with crystallized honey. Filling the pump with food grade mineral oil for storage can help keep the seals from drying out in storage. Veg oil or olive oil can do the same, but they can go rancid or turn gummy over time. Mineral oil won't. If stored with oil, run hot water next to flush it before pumping honey again.
Question: when Bob pumps honey through the pipes does he have to clean each time? He talked about etching of the plastic which would not be good for the pipes or the honey. How often does he have to clean his pipes and motors? For us small beeks when we get done pulling honey we can clean but he is running honey through the system day after day.
Love this series Nathan. It was so nice to shake your hand last week.
Hi Russell, great to meet you. My wife loves the lemon creamed honey, thank you! If you’re constantly running honey through a pipe or pump there isn’t much need to clean frequently. Crystallization inside the pump isn’t a concern with constant use, and honey is a “safe food” that actually kills most microbes.
@@DuckRiverHoney I'm glad she enjoys it. It sells really well with return customers all day long.
I just remember Bob saying he doesn't like seeing honey sit in a plastic container but if the pipes are plastic then it is. I know it's a safe food and Bob is pumping honey through those pipes daily. But what about a small operator that uses it only a couple time a year maybe a month apart? .
Russell I clean everything before extracting and then when I’m done. You don’t want honey to sit in pipes or a pump because it’ll crystallize.
I would recommend using rupture discs for pressure relief rather than relief valves, just based on my experiences in pumping liquid coal tar pitch at 210 degrees Centigrade
That’s real interesting Dick, thanks.
Gear pumps they shall bee :)
Can you please post the name and manufacture of Bob’s progressive pump. I’ve been looking for the ideal pump to use out of my 30frame extractor. Seems like a great option. Thank both of you for taking the time to share this information.
His big pump is from Mann Lake. The 3hp progressive may be as well but I’m not sure.
Also, not sure if this info will help you or anyone else… I converted my 30 fr extractor over to a 3phase motor and vfd controller last year. 110v in 240v 3 phase to the motor. Would work well for any gear/rotary pump or extractor. Having variable speed is a way nice feature and it was super easy to wire and set up. It’s the simplest controller I could find.
Granger item number 13E661 (110v input 3 phase output variable speed controller) and 4THU1 (1hp motor mount any direction).
Bob tried it all.. it's the seme equipment used in olive oil production.. the progressive cavety long pump (l think is the oldest, invented some 3000 years ago by Arhimed, in my language). It will pump everything. The gear pump runs the hidraulic on your tractor (that's how strong it can be if it's clean licvid runing). The wax / honey separator is the seme pice of equipment that separate olive oil from pulp (the fast rotating drum lan has in his videos)
That’s neat Danny, where are you from?
@@DuckRiverHoney South Europe, dalmatia, island in the Adriatic sea. I was a mechanic before 'made in china' and amazon. We had to know how to fix everything. The way we still live is summer tourism, olive oil, vineyards, bees, fishing...
It’s amazing to connect with someone so far away because of bees. So are you off the coast of Croatia?
@@DuckRiverHoney yes, island Vis
That is mind blowing to me. Super interested in how beekeeping is different there?
Good topic there, a person can spend alot of money on pumps if not using them for what their made for, I run gear pumps for mixing sugar an pumping honey, an a 12v diaphragm pump for feeding bees,through a 100' 1" hose it's good for 1to 1, not for 2/1 though, so like in late fall feeding I have to thin it a bit.
I’m putting together a similar setup for syrup Wayne, good to know the limits of the diaphragm pump.
@@DuckRiverHoney I run 250 colonies an can feed them all in 1 day, it's a nice set up , I pump it out of a 250 gal toat
250 is a lot for one man. Are you full time or sideliner?
@@DuckRiverHoney it's just my wife an I, we are full time !
we both retired early, we were fortunate enough to have good public jobs for many yrs to be able to do that ! , I've kept bees for 19 yrs, but we went from 50 hives to 250+ in the last few years, I wish I could have done this 30 yrs sooner, we produce an supply alot of stores an venues with our honey, all flavors of creamed honey, lip balms,Soaps etc. It's never ending work , but we both really have a passion for honeybees an have seen first hand how important they are.