God, he raised his concerns regarding safety, and was ignored in the most arrogant way (ie no acknowledgment just walking off). Even more cross that this other dude got a sweet deal. 😡 This witness did such a good job up there. Very difficult.
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Reply Crew 🖤 still in direct examination of Mr adiego. My Personal takeaway after 2,5 days, she messed Up but the experienced filmmaker messed Up even more. Hannah should have Got the pleadeal and WE should See the Trial of Dave Halls...
@@Brucebod it’s so easy to see when someone is faking it as opposed to someone who is trying to process genuine traumatic experiences. You only needed to watch his body language if you were in any doubt. This man was genuinely traumatised and struggling to come to terms with it, yet pushed through in order to achieve justice for his friend.
@EmilyDBaker I think the best defense for HG is that she was psychologically browbeaten and coerced into rushing through her job by Alec Baldwin and the AD. The power dynamic that she was caught up in could definitely have put her in a frame of mind where she could be coerced into acting in line with "this is how we do things" or "it's industry standard". She was asking for more training and time to do her job and was denied. While she has some culpability in the result, she was new to the job and the industry and could easily be swayed by her supervisors who either quite possibly abdicated their responsibilities, (Sarah and Seth) rushed her, AD and Alec Baldwin, or straight up intimidated her, AD and Alec Baldwin. I'm reminded of certain military trials where the lowest ranking person becomes the sacrificial lamb. Hope that the result of this trial is fair to everyone.
This is what I think. And I think that this is why EDB and also Dani have more nuance in it than perhaps Rob, Ian, and Peter. Women can understand and have most likely had experience being browbeaten and bullied by men who have power over us
At the end of the day she’s responsible for the guns and the ammo. Somebody died there’s no “fairness” for Halyna or her SON. He will not grow up without his mother because HG failed to do HER JOB.
@ravenzyblack But what caused the failure, its important to figure out. Accidents happen, even tragic ones. But IF Hannah was given prop ammo with Live mixed in from seth K, there's only so much she could have done to prevent this tragedy. It's important for the jury to decide. I'm glad they're getting lots of facts and hannah is getting a robust defence
@@ravenzyblackat the end of the day, there was interference with her performing her duties the way they should have been performed. Unless they prove she was the one who brought the live ammo in and mixed them in, it’s going to be hard for a jury to ignore the power dynamics. She worked in an industry where if you’re difficult to work with, you don’t work. It was only her second job as an armourer. Ideally, she would have walked off set when they refused to let her perform her duties the way they should have been done, but again that could be the end of her career and hindsight is 20/20. The fact that the prop cart was so haphazard and not under her control and someone else emptied the weapon sounds like they knew immediately that it wasn’t entirely Hannah’s responsibility for what happened. I hate that the AD got such a deal, imo he is just as or more culpable than Hannah. More so if it’s proven he prevented Hannah from performing necessary safety checks. I want to know more about the one that emptied it and had the two misfires (name escapes me). Wth was she doing even touching the weapon? I’m watching replay several days behind, so we may already be there. But this whole set was a cluster fuck and I think she’s being used as the sacrificial lamb when she’s possibly not the one with the most egregious behavior. You can’t say at the end of the day those props were SOLELY her responsibility when the AD and production, and possibly Alec, prevented her from doing her duties the way they should have performed. Think of it like this scenario, subbing the nurse for Hannah. The scrub nurse is responsible for ensuring the sterile field is maintained and the surgeon, assist, and scrub tech has adequate supplies in a timely manner during surgery, and instrument, lap pads, and needle counts are correct so that no foreign bodies are left inside the patient. Throughout surgery, there are points where counts take place to account for all of those instruments, needles, and lap pads. The surgeon and assist rush the surgery and prevent an accurate count just before closure of the site, and despite objections from the nurse to get an accurate count first, the surgeon closes the body. The surgeon gets angry and intimidates the nurse during this event (and that’s entirely plausible 🙄). Who is responsible to you in this moment when a foreign body is left in the patient? Now, in a real world scenario like this, the nurse would report to the proper chain the incident. Unfortunately, sounds like Hannah wasn’t even present to intercede when the fatal event took place and the event couldn’t be undone.
I think the most frustrating thing is the lack of accountability for all parties involved. It’s gross that Halls only got 6 months probation because he was able to have a plea deal.
I really stand by those that stood up for the safety violations! I really want to hear from Joel. Respectfully to him and to Helena, and hers. I don’t want him to be on the stand to be hurt further or exposed.
The power imbalance issue is exactly why the most senior and business owners should be the ones held most responsible. They’re the ones in the position to control the situation.
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Exactly what I was thinking. It's either they all get punishment for their actions or lack there of or none of them do. This wasn't just a one person mess up, it was a collective.
If they find he indeed did interfere with her doing her duties, I will be so pissed they gave him a deal and went after Hannah. Especially in light of her emailing and asking for more time to do her duties. The defense has raised a lot of reasonable doubt with such a good opening, and it’s very much up to the state to prove the gross negligence they’re leaning on. They have an uphill battle from day 1, if I’m a juror. And if the defense continues with the precision and determination they have showed thus far, the state is in trouble.
@@shkrjam84 Don't forget that jurors have emotions just as we do, and the female prosecutor's attitude, especially when objecting -- speaking objections and leading witnesses, particularly the lead detective, will not play well with jurors. I've had a job where I was pressured to do the opposite of what I was taught/trained to do. It's difficult to not only bring up a conflict between written "rules" and what your boss is telling you to do. I've also been in a position where I am responsible for X, Y, Z but I have zero authority over decisions. Toxic workplaces where power-dynamics are at play, especially when no one will accept responsibility (or go on record) for their decisions, is difficult after decades of being in the workforce. I can't imagine what it's like for a 23yo. If she sent e-mails with regards to being uncomfortable about established protocol not being followed, I'm sure she had a few verbal discussions about it first.
@@B_Bodziak absolutely! As an early/mid 20s when I was a baby nurse, dealing with the power dynamics of arrogant physicians that thought they could do no wrong and their judgment was divine was exactly what came to mind thinking about the dynamics with Alec Baldwin, and Halls is the equivalent of a shitty nurse manager or admin suit that is supposed to be there to intervene, advocate, ensure safety and quality of the work done, and does anything but.
The best part of today when EDB says ‘he was not even supposed to pull out all of the way’ - and I know this case is so serious but these moments really do make me love watching live trial (on replay) with you EDB 💜
Emily's correct. It was Hannah's job to do Hannah's job, and if she was unable, she needed to push back even if it meant she might get fired. They needed an armoror more than she needed them. And other more experienced armorors declined this job on purpose. But that safety manager should have been doing his job too and pushed back on Baldwin, who said he did nothing wrong. Now we know he did more than break his own required rules, even though he doesn't think so. This may not go well, for him knowing this. When you're in safety you have to do safety properly - no excuses.
By pushing back, would that include an e-mail to her bosses requesting additional time so her safety concerns could be addressed? If her email request was denied, what should she have done? Quit the job and said goodbye to her entire future career? Seriously asking?
As I nurse,other nurses ALWAYS told me to watch out because the older nurses will eat their own!!! AND I believe its the same in this case!!! Scared of newbies
I was an OT. My theory was nurses who were in positions of authority such as I needed to work with had risen through the ranks because they could be brutal.
In 3 hospitals, I never experienced older nurses “eating there own” in an acute care setting. Some people are helpful and work as a team, and some dont. This happens in any job. My experiences with the older nurses was presenting a strong positive work ethic.
I think defence HAD to go that hard at that witness because he is the strongest witness prosecution has had yet 🙌🏻 very credible, very sympathetic. I agree with Emily though, I think he was still more mad at Alec than Hannah and they should have leveraged that to have an effective but more compassionate cross examination.
His credibility got knocked down some pegs for me once the lawsuit and his “injuries” that he never testified to nor did prosecution address came out. It’s a murder trial, if her actions caused multiple injuries then why didn’t prosecution address those? He has a vested interest in the outcome of this case and stands to gain financially from it. Defense had every reason to address that.
I don't know why the prosecutor is asking a dolly grip what an armorer's job is. He's not an expert, he's not the producer or production manager and he had no say in who the armorer is, or whether an armorer must be hired. She needs the union rep to answer those questions or an experienced armorer to act as expert witness. . Grip dept is a different local,, however he is providing good info on the lack of safety on this particular set
He can speak to his experience though, and that stuff on this set was totally different than any other he’d worked on before. That seemed like the thrust of those questions to me - not that he was presenting the industry standards as an expert, but speaking to his own observations on what he would expect from a set based on his work experience, and how the Rust set didn’t meet those expectations.
Agreed, I said the same thing when she asked it and I’m shocked the judge allowed it. He should be able to speak on his experience with this production, but other productions are irrelevant.
Watching with you Emily and Nerds is amazing! I’ve been around for a long time but rarely get to watch live Court. This was AWESOME! Thank you everyone for making my afternoon special.
I can't wait to hear from David Halls, but I guess he can basically say whatever he wants because there are no repercussions for him besides no one wanting to work with him ever again. To hear he was just completely dismissive of safety concerns brought directly to his face and he just walked away is appalling, I know he took a plea but can someone anyone just find a way around that and punish him more because it needs to happen. I'm big mad
This case keeps pulling on me back and forth. She doesn’t feel fully guilty but she sure as hell isn’t innocent. I was so recently the same age as Hannah! It would be very intimidating to stand up and say “No” to powerful individuals that could potentially blacklist you at the start of a career. Especially watching people far more senior than you be bullied and ignored. At the same time if I felt I couldn’t do my job without putting people in danger, that’s it, I’m not doing it. End of story. I put more blame on the AD and Baldwin but can’t figure how much I put on her.
@@vee_tinymoose It was part of her job. Unless Baldwin had threatened her with imminent physical violence she's got no "poor young scared me" standing, as we just saw in Paul Ferguson's sentencing.
Part of agreeing to sign on in a position where you are in charge of safety is accepting the responsibility of standing up against your boss to protect people. I think she just wasn't ready for a production like this, and I put more blame on Hall, Zachary, and Baldwin, but she accepted that responsibility and then did not follow through
At her age and being new to the job I was absolutely have buckled to my boss(es). Would it have been/was I stupid and naive? Yes, yes, and yes. But would I feel that it was my fault? No. Not everyone reacts to situations the same way you do.
I've studied industrial hygiene and occupational health and hope the prosecution has some sort of safety expert explain the swiss cheese model of accident causation. It really applies in this case and would be really helpful to expalin to curor how while yes there were other factors in play here, other "holes" in the cheese, without Gutierrez this accident could not have occured. The swiss cheese model shows slices of swiss chese lined up and an accident can only go through those slices of cheese if those holes line up just right. The slices represent various things like PPE, education on proper procedures and protocols, etc. Gutierrez was the last line line of defense the last piece of cheese in the model. So yes other factors were at play and other people were involved but without Hannah's involvement the accident could have been prevented.
"That would be... Dave Halls!" Ooof. Ross' gentle little uptick at the end of that sentence speaks volumes. He didn't just come to be a witness. He came to tell a Story. Yeah, with a capital S. That's the voice you use when you are unbelievably angry and want to Hulk-smash, but you're holding it back and using that energy for a positive purpose. He's also thinking, "I have no right to speak for Halyna. None. But because of Defendant's action or inaction Halyna can no longer speak, so maybe I'm a poor choice but I'm what she has".
Totally agree with you Emily. Baldwin was the only concern for the prosecution for that young lady's death, instead of looking toward the whole chain of culpability.
I've met Alec Baldwin. He can be intimidating and I could see a young girl on set not being mature enough to handle the responsibility of the job she had. There's a lot of pressure on set and her superiors were pushing her. She's culpable, but so are Halls and Baldwin. Time is money and it sounds like production was worried about money more than about safety. At minimum, when that first accidental discharge happened, production should have had an immediate safety meeting to address. It's a very sad situation.
But the armorer can call cut. Can call a safety meeting. Can lock up all the guns. Can take her stuff and guns and go home. Production is required to have an armorer and would lose their insurance without one. She didn’t do her job. There were lots of failures but had she done her job we would not have had a death.
The only person to call “cut” is the director, you can get in a lot of trouble doing that, unless you’re “above the line”. The only person to call a safety meeting is the 1st AD, unless you sneakily, loudly with your Dept head go to the AD in earshot of the Director and actor, stressing your concern, for safety, then if they don’t listen, go to production and wash your hands of it. You have to know to do that though. Film industry and Film set closely mirror the military, theirs a hierarchy, if you’re not in the chain of command you’re kinda SOL, especially on low budget. She can’t t really lock up the guns and leave them there, she would have been fired instantly, and prop master, her boss, then would have taken over. Possibly Blacklisted. If she took the guns and left she could be charge for the full price of the guns insurance/rental fee, and/or charge with stealing. most likely Blacklisted Contrary to what the Dolly Grip said, if you’re not union you can’t contact the union, most art dept isn’t union on low budgets. Also on her second job she wouldn’t know who to call, the people she could only talk to is the 1st AD or Production, maybe the director. Maybe things have changed, but what I remember, IATSE, is made up of hundreds of unions, each with their own standards, dues to pay, rules, protocols. One Union can’t control the another union members, nor help. Insider baseball: Joining the union is like a catch 22, espically in Art Dept. You have to have 300hrs plus pay dues, which is up to 10k just to get in, in some dept but the only way to get hours is be on a show that flips. To be on show that flips, a union member has to call their union to get the show flipped, and then a member comes to/ contact production to get it flipped, production gets halted. New protocols of compliance get put in place. New crew has to get hired if they are not union, then new contracts has to be signed. Lawyers have to get involved, and union rep have to be represented on set, and check set, budget ballons, new insurance, etc. Usually Camera Dept is Union, one cause it’s easier to get into, it’s kinda of “boys club”, they also get the lion share of the budget, which comes with being Union.
@@DjinnFrostythank you!!! I have been trying to work out this stuff you’ve shared. It has seemed completely inconceivable and unrealistic when commentators have said that this 24yo, inexperienced woman (because we all know that gender does actually matter when power is involved), could magically have stopped the whole movie and walked off set with all the guns. I still haven’t even been able to find anything that says who owned the damn guns.
Replay crew here: I would love them to bring in an expert on obedience - learned a lot of interesting things in my master’s program about how far people are willing to go before pushing back on things they don’t feel are right if they are being told by an authority to do it. Would be an interesting add to this conversation. Not as easy to walk away from bad situations as some people may think!
They finished filming the movie last May. It was part of a legal agreement with Helena's husband that he get a producer credit and see her final project through to the end. For him to work alongside Alec to finish the movie must have been hella awkward.
I think I better understand what really sat poorly with me for Ross’s testimony. It felt like he was trying to be in two roles as a witness. Providing expertise and also the emotion of being there. Which meant he was speaking as if he was a dispassionate observer when he’s clearly not because he was there and because his friend was shot. I understand that he’d be furious with Hannah. But then let him just be there as a witness who was furious. Not as having expertise that’s now being delivered through anger and resentment and blame.
" her job to b pushing " but if her supervisors and producion managers are rushing her and overriding her authority then how is that on her!! I totally feel like they r using her as a scapegoat 😢
She was the armorer. If she cannot do everything needed to keep that set safe, she should have walked. Furthermore, double checking that gun after lunch would have taken seconds. I have zero sympathy for her. I also feel Halls should be seated next to her at this trial.
@TheMaleficent1 I agree with u about Hall's. Ulimatly she probably will b found guilty as well as Baldwin. After seeing the video of the police interrogation I think she self snitched on herself. I feel bad for everyone. This wasn't intentional there was so much that shouldn't been done better. 😢
3:31:47 is where Ross completely lost me. Much like the super chat about it, I wasn’t feeling his testimony in the same way EDB was. And then this bit here, full sobs pop up suddenly and the completely disappear afterwards. Feels a bit Maurdaugh to me 🤷♀️
I thought the same thing. Im not accusing him of faking anything, but i wonder if the cross was so tough because he could see the jury wasnt moved by the testimony
I have been watching this trial on the Court TV because I just can't concentrate the testimony and Emily's commentary. Today I had to come here after watching Ross to hear what Emily had to say!
at 2:51:14 the court feed skips ahead. (You can see EDB kinda react to the jump.) I went to the Law and Crime channel to catch what was missed. The Defense was trying to get the witness to admit a bias against female armorers. Ross stuck to his guns and said the fact that she was so young was what was different for him. (not exact wording). The Defense nudged a few times, but didn't get the answer he was looking for.
Hey Emily, I thought you were Spot ON with you evaluation of the defense and the prosecutor as well. I was surprised at those who disagreed. Thanks for you coverage, you really make a trial entertaining. lol
"YOUR HONOR, NO!" when the court called a break just when the tea started boiling was both an incarnation of my favorite toddler section of my brain and also felt like years of not being able to yell that in court and now feeling it for every time you weren't able to do it in person, LOL.
Unpopular opinion, but while I found the Dolly Grip witness to be sympathetic and genuine, his testimony felt very biased to me. He seemed to be focused on a storyline, rather than answering questions and being direct, clear, and complete about what he saw or didn’t see. He seemed to be telling the prosecution’s story and not much else. He frequently made up his own questions to answer instead of actually answering the questions asked by the defense. He’s angry and that’s understandable, but the extent to which that drove his testimony reduced its impact for me. Defense strategy was also bad in the beginning of this cross, and that didn’t help.
Emily I feel your rage so much and I’m not sure how much of this I can stand. She should’ve took a plea deal because she has no defense. At some point they’ll present an expert armourer and that will be the end of her. I still wish every single producer had been charged as well because hiring someone so inexperienced, not making sure all protocols are followed on set, even having the armorer do anything other than focus on weapons is criminal negligence that they all know of.
😂 Emily stop! Mr. Bows is just doing his job. U know this. Plus, that guy does appear to have ulterior motives. It's fine to sue, but u know he was NOT physically injured. Also, the guy had to be interrogated this way when he was pretending to be an expert on armorers. What if u where in Hannahs shoes..Mr. Bows is doing his best job for Hannah/Emily. Your letting his tears get u revved up. I still ❤ u & your big ❤!!
I think Mr. Ross was given too much leeway. He wasn't an Armorer. He doesn't know what Hannah's contact said. He doesn't know she was given 8 days to be an Armorer and then was told not to do that job anymore. They were on day 17. By contract she wasn't the Armorer anymore. If he was so concerned and he has all this experience with safety, why didn't he leave? He stayed. Hannah's boss had access, by her own admission, to ammo and guns. And if his lawyers are suing everybody, and Hannah is supposed to be the problem, why isn't she part of his lawsuit. They had 0 safety briefs. Hannah wasn't allowed on the set. There's a chain of custody issue here. Hannah should've quit. She should've contacted the union she wasn't a part of to warn them. But she is absolutely not the only one and she is least culpable after that OSHA report comes in. Across platforms, this wasn't Ross 1. Ross didn't see it. He didn't see her. He said "This is what should happen". Safety is everybody's job. To say it's not his job is disgusting.
Yes. It seems that Ross had tonnes of experience and knew it was bad, and was in the union, and he stayed. Hannah was very new, inexperienced, not in the union, and had tried multiple Times to get more days. What makes Ross stay looking good?
Listening to Ross testify about someone else being injured is so much more moving than Amber heard testifying about multiple very traumatic experiences that she claimed happened to her. Amber made most people feel nothing when she would cry on stand and Ross starts to tear up and have voice cracks and EVERYONE is crying.
I figured out why I did not care for Ross. I think that he is the type of co worker who will watch you make a mistake and then criticize you in front of his clique. My heart goes out to him though because he is still suffering from the tragedy that happened.
Hero Prop: any prop the main Actors are using, seen on screen. A hand prop can become a Hero Prop, if an actor grabs something in a scene. Hero props are usually “real” then sub for faux things if it’s a gun, knife, bottle, food, if safety is an issue
I just cannot believe that an inexperienced 24 year old was hired to do a job that lives depended on. Thinking back to when I was 24 years old at work I absolutely got bullied into silence when things weren’t right. Lives weren’t at stake in these situations and I hope if they had been I would have had the courage to stand up to the powers that be but I cannot know that for sure. It really does seem plausible that she was hired because she was cheap and as she was young and inexperienced she could be bullied into cutting corners. It is such a travesty Dave Halls isn’t on trial too
I’m upset they allowed the dolly grip to answer questions as an expert(give his opinion) without offering him as an expert. It felt really gross to me. Just offer him as a damn expert!
Smh, I agree, I don’t know how he was able to focus on doing Dollying, if he was so focused on Art dept. I’ve seen prop master handle, guns, when multiple gun are on set and you’re not fully staffed. Art Dept rarely has enough people for set decorations let alone props, usually only one prop person, who doubles as Armourer. In order or Hierarchy in the Art department 1-Production designer - Head 2-Art director - Manager 3-Set Designer, Set Decorator, Assistant Art Director, Prop Master - Assistant Managers 4-Set Dresser, Art PA, Prop Master Asst., Armourer, Prop Maker, Set Painter, Set Builder - Workers Armourer is slightly under Prop Master, but also works in conjunction with prop master but also can be equal to Prop Master, if more is needed, ie swords, you can have a Head Armourer
I have to admit I don't like this witness as much as everyone else seems to. Nothing against him personally, I'm sure he's lovely. I'm still very much undecided on this case, interested to keep watching and see if either side is able to convince me! I hope Halyna's husband and son are coping during what must be a very traumatic time.
Me too. He felt, mean (?). It felt like he was trying to be in two roles as a witness. Providing expertise and also the emotion of being there. Which meant he was speaking as if he was a dispassionate observer when he’s clearly not because he was there and because his friend was shot. I understand that he’d be furious with Hannah. But then let him just be there as a witness who was furious. Not as having expertise that’s now being delivered through anger and resentment and blame.
Yeah! Exactly how I felt. I feel bad because it's not really his fault. The prosecution were trying to use him as an expert witness when he wasn't one. I agreed with the defense lawyer that he was clearly giving 'expert testimony' and not just talking about his experiences as the prosecutor claimed. It felt a bit underhand. So it's not entirely his fault but it left a bad taste in my mouth and I couldn't get past it, it made me dislike him as a witness. @@vee_tinymoose
That man is lucky to have his life. It's so scary to think that all of us are so close to danger every day without actually taking that fact in. I can't imagine unknowingly never seeing my son or my loved ones ever again.
I really wish we’d stop repeating “she didn’t do her job”. The reality is it sounds like she did do her job for the number of hours she was paid to do it. We CANNOT punish someone for not working for free. I know there is minutiae here but we MUST NOT normalize donating our time as employees when leadership pushes back if we say “I need more time or more support”.
I’ve heard commentators say that she should have found time, she should have done it at night or on the weekend. Just no. They should have allocated the right amount of hours.
@@vee_tinymoose correct. I work as a prime contractor and if our customer wants work above and beyond then we either ask for funds or we tell them what they will have to give up to have this new request met. I understand that level of assertiveness is a beetch when you’re young and new to industry but… it’s necessary. May this case and tragedy be a lesson all around to many - especially about not letting corporations shortchange you for the job you will be doing.
2:50:44 I don't want to assume how Hannah seems to be sitting their appearing unaffected by that testimony but I know that when I am on certain medications for mental health stuff and I have to take more beyond my normal because I am stressed out to the point of extreme panic, I can completely flip and become very dispassionate and apathetic, it basically just kills all the emotion. I'm not saying that's what's going on with Hannah - I think if it is they'd want to be really careful to make sure she doesn't appear unaffected to the jury - but I know with me it happens.
On replay crew: Does the absence of the other defense council that I believe Emily said is no longer on the case, have anything to do with the question to the jury last Friday, and the early end to that day?
1 negligent discharge is a "strike one you're out" type of seriousness. Sarah and Hannah should have been fired for that. To have TWO negligent discharges within an hour is absolutely out of this world. Hannah was so far out of her league. This is the type of stuff you would expect to happen if you hired an armorer who had NO experience with firearms. Random people loading blanks, actors playing with guns, guns just laying around, loose ammunition all over the place, nobody checking the rounds at all. That's just insane. 18 months is nowhere near enough time in jail for something like this that is so easily avoidable just with simple basic safety checks.
I feel for Ross and others who were there that day…I have PTSD and it is very serious. I have a hard time believing that he received a blast injury from what happened. If that was the case, why is no one being charged for those injuries? Why didn’t the prosecution bring that up on direct and ask him about his injuries? It looks bad that they didn’t. If he was suing for PTSD that would be fully understandable, but he literally testified that “2 people were injured”…MULTIPLE times, never including him and the other 2 people suing for injuries. He himself testified the crew had a right to ask for the gun to be checked/verified/shown to them to be cold/loaded correctly and he didn’t request that nor did he walk off like others after he brought up safety issues and was ignored. I agree with Hoag’s comment, it sounds like hindsight. This should never have happened and so many people failed, but I don’t like people being disingenuous either. This is a rare occasion I disagree with Emily. Just finished the redirect and now I’m even more confused. He wasn’t emotional on cross when discussing his lawsuit and injuries and effects, but then immediately gets emotional when she mentions loss of interest and then recovers quickly for the next question…(something Emily herself comments on when others do it)….I have questions…
Idk how the judge allowed those questions from the prosecutor like he was an expert. & didn’t say anything to the prosecutor for being so animated when an objection. I don’t like that prosecutor at all.
Sorry but I agree that defense has to try to put some negativity in the witnesses testimony. Do I like it no but he can't not do something.....what would you have done here if Hannah were your client?
Watching this as replay, absolutely harrowing. Must be so awful to have to relive being present for such an awful occurrence. My heart goes out to the families, friends and colleagues of Halyna ❤
Ross Addiego at 7.26mins said that in the Church before lunch that his Camera Lens was one foot from Baldwins shoe. Halyna Hutchens was beside him at about 2 feet from Baldwin. Distance from Baldwin to door was 16 feet. 'BLANKS shall not be fired at any distance closer than 20 feet...' they can kill. The cameras moved in closer as instructed by which 2 people.?(Church Scene has been censored
Pretty risky accusing an emotional witness of only wanting money though. Bowles is a good lawyer. Maybe he is trying to exploit the prosecutors short temper.
Something interesting mentioned: bullets when used as props (belts, bandoleers, etc) were the responsibility of props (Sarah Zachary). And live bullets were found in those props. Plus Sarah Zachary allegedly dumped the bullets out of the gun after the lethal shot? Sus...
1:27:40 EDB thanks for reminding me of the LA county coroner chalk outline shirt I had back in the early 90s. I wonder what they're worth on ebay these days.
He’s a defence lawyer, and I think he’s just gotta go for it so it is what it is. This witness was great at saying what happened on the site, but quite clearly he’s already made his mind up over who loaded the gun, and why is there so it’s relevant that the cross is a little feisty in my opinion
Idk man i couldn't get behind the last witness from the emotion disappearing faster than the replay of the live went up to him knowing everything about everything UNTIL it came to saying anything that could even slightly be positive for Hannah
@@ursula868I don’t find that strange at all. When you’re trying to hold it together and compartmentalize things, to be reminded of something so personal (your ongoing trauma and lack of enjoyment of life after witnessing something like this), the emotion can come on suddenly. You can sometimes let it pop out then grab hold of it again. This is a unique situation to be in and I don’t think any of us are in a position to judge how someone displays emotion. It’s not a gradual up and down scale, people are complicated.
@@dw13645 I'm aware, I'm also human. We sure are complicated and unpredictable. But the jury will be forming an opinion. It's not about judging someone, but evaluating everything altogether.
@@dw13645 it's not that he broke and recovered, I've done that plenty in moments of grief, I just didn't feel like this was sincere. That's a subjective thing that wouldn't sway me one way or another as a jury member, because I would need to make my decision based on objective elements.
So like, to me? The way they went after that witness? I'd bet it was to get him to fly off the handle. He was CLEARLY pissed. He was glaring at Hannah. He was ANGRY. If they could get him to fly off the handle, they might be able to cast doubt on him. Hannah could have even simply told them "He has an anger problem." I mean, it's PURELY speculation... but it's possible.
For me it was really important that they highlighted how angry he was. He was testifying as if he were an unbiased expert when he was clearly furious at Hannah. And while that fury has reason, it also means he shouldn’t have been allowed to present expertise as if he wasn’t also a witness or victim
His anger was understandable. His friend was killed because of her negligence. It makes absolute sense to me. And he was very fair in his testimony toward Gutierrez. He did not exaggerate and testified to only what he saw.
I believe Hannah should have gone into apprenticeship for a couple of years before taking on a job of that magnitude. She was riding on the coat tails of her father
Agreed! However, I also think that Baldwin and Halls took advantage of her newness to cut cost, control her pace, and not hire a full time armorer. They knew they’d be able to push her around.
That guy, the first guy. Chemist guy, could be a good teacher. He takes complicated, intimidating things/terms and walks you simply through point a to z on how it's completely normal & easy to understand.
@EmilyDBaker With your renown, (if I was these defense attorneys) I would run home and watch your stream for Cliff Notes! Honestly, it would be worth their while to pay an intern to peruse your channel for tips and have that intern provide them a summary of your points. AKA Emily's Notes!
The church scene is absolutely beautiful. The lighting, coloring, composition, the scene. Shows what a tremendous talent was lost that day. 💔
God, he raised his concerns regarding safety, and was ignored in the most arrogant way (ie no acknowledgment just walking off). Even more cross that this other dude got a sweet deal. 😡
This witness did such a good job up there. Very difficult.
I've been partially live, partially replay crew all day. I start the stream with everyone and have to pause throughout the day for work and family. I almost always attend live but always finish with the replay crew.
This is the greatest, most fun, most genuine community on the UA-cams. I'm so thankful for EDB and this incredible group of people that she has brought together.
Law Nerd for Life. ❤
I often have to do the same thing 😊
Same
I often do the same thing, because live finishes long after midnight my time.
Same
Yep! It's a luxurious day when I can stick with the stream the whole day. But love to join the Chat and catch things in real time when I can.
“Sir…Can you please explain to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury the difference between a dolly grip and…a gorilla grip” 💀
Would that be Dolly Parton's hair?
Reply Crew 🖤 still in direct examination of Mr adiego. My Personal takeaway after 2,5 days, she messed Up but the experienced filmmaker messed Up even more. Hannah should have Got the pleadeal and WE should See the Trial of Dave Halls...
absolutely, THIS. given his history of mishandling fire arms that lead to injury, a big fuck that guy, to that guy.
Wow, that was emotional. What a great witness, that poor guy, you can see it playing through his mind 😔 what a way to put it all in perspective.
It's horrible to watch someone re-live their trauma in front of the whole world 😔
I’m so impressed how detailed he was while also clearly being so emotional.
None of you three thought he might have just been acting, for the sake of his lawsuit?
@@Brucebod it’s so easy to see when someone is faking it as opposed to someone who is trying to process genuine traumatic experiences. You only needed to watch his body language if you were in any doubt. This man was genuinely traumatised and struggling to come to terms with it, yet pushed through in order to achieve justice for his friend.
@@annemorse2566 In _my_ opinion he turned it on on cue and turned it off when no longer needed. (Do I really need to say, think for yourself?)
@EmilyDBaker I think the best defense for HG is that she was psychologically browbeaten and coerced into rushing through her job by Alec Baldwin and the AD. The power dynamic that she was caught up in could definitely have put her in a frame of mind where she could be coerced into acting in line with "this is how we do things" or "it's industry standard". She was asking for more training and time to do her job and was denied. While she has some culpability in the result, she was new to the job and the industry and could easily be swayed by her supervisors who either quite possibly abdicated their responsibilities, (Sarah and Seth) rushed her, AD and Alec Baldwin, or straight up intimidated her, AD and Alec Baldwin. I'm reminded of certain military trials where the lowest ranking person becomes the sacrificial lamb. Hope that the result of this trial is fair to everyone.
This is what I think. And I think that this is why EDB and also Dani have more nuance in it than perhaps Rob, Ian, and Peter. Women can understand and have most likely had experience being browbeaten and bullied by men who have power over us
At the end of the day she’s responsible for the guns and the ammo. Somebody died there’s no “fairness” for Halyna or her SON. He will not grow up without his mother because HG failed to do HER JOB.
@ravenzyblack But what caused the failure, its important to figure out.
Accidents happen, even tragic ones. But IF Hannah was given prop ammo with Live mixed in from seth K, there's only so much she could have done to prevent this tragedy.
It's important for the jury to decide. I'm glad they're getting lots of facts and hannah is getting a robust defence
@@ravenzyblackwhat a myopic way to look at things smh
@@ravenzyblackat the end of the day, there was interference with her performing her duties the way they should have been performed. Unless they prove she was the one who brought the live ammo in and mixed them in, it’s going to be hard for a jury to ignore the power dynamics. She worked in an industry where if you’re difficult to work with, you don’t work. It was only her second job as an armourer. Ideally, she would have walked off set when they refused to let her perform her duties the way they should have been done, but again that could be the end of her career and hindsight is 20/20. The fact that the prop cart was so haphazard and not under her control and someone else emptied the weapon sounds like they knew immediately that it wasn’t entirely Hannah’s responsibility for what happened. I hate that the AD got such a deal, imo he is just as or more culpable than Hannah. More so if it’s proven he prevented Hannah from performing necessary safety checks. I want to know more about the one that emptied it and had the two misfires (name escapes me). Wth was she doing even touching the weapon? I’m watching replay several days behind, so we may already be there. But this whole set was a cluster fuck and I think she’s being used as the sacrificial lamb when she’s possibly not the one with the most egregious behavior. You can’t say at the end of the day those props were SOLELY her responsibility when the AD and production, and possibly Alec, prevented her from doing her duties the way they should have performed.
Think of it like this scenario, subbing the nurse for Hannah. The scrub nurse is responsible for ensuring the sterile field is maintained and the surgeon, assist, and scrub tech has adequate supplies in a timely manner during surgery, and instrument, lap pads, and needle counts are correct so that no foreign bodies are left inside the patient. Throughout surgery, there are points where counts take place to account for all of those instruments, needles, and lap pads. The surgeon and assist rush the surgery and prevent an accurate count just before closure of the site, and despite objections from the nurse to get an accurate count first, the surgeon closes the body. The surgeon gets angry and intimidates the nurse during this event (and that’s entirely plausible 🙄). Who is responsible to you in this moment when a foreign body is left in the patient? Now, in a real world scenario like this, the nurse would report to the proper chain the incident. Unfortunately, sounds like Hannah wasn’t even present to intercede when the fatal event took place and the event couldn’t be undone.
I think the most frustrating thing is the lack of accountability for all parties involved. It’s gross that Halls only got 6 months probation because he was able to have a plea deal.
I really stand by those that stood up for the safety violations! I really want to hear from Joel. Respectfully to him and to Helena, and hers. I don’t want him to be on the stand to be hurt further or exposed.
In his interview - Jensen talked about the only camera op that didn't walk off the set - Reed. He stayed for Helena. He was her #1 guy.
The power imbalance issue is exactly why the most senior and business owners should be the ones held most responsible. They’re the ones in the position to control the situation.
I’d just like to say thank you thank you to whomever gifted me a membership!! 🎉I’m crying of excitement!!
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How does that happen ? Curious on how that worked
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I feel like a grandma lol
@@darnhappyaccident1257oh granny. It’s okay.
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I am deaf, very grateful for the subtitles. thank you.
@@primalcritters Sometimes they take several hours to load on replay, and they're almost never available on live videos.
I think Hannah was negligent but I also don't want to see her go to jail when David Hall got off so lightly. It doesn't feel fair
Exactly what I was thinking. It's either they all get punishment for their actions or lack there of or none of them do. This wasn't just a one person mess up, it was a collective.
If they find he indeed did interfere with her doing her duties, I will be so pissed they gave him a deal and went after Hannah. Especially in light of her emailing and asking for more time to do her duties. The defense has raised a lot of reasonable doubt with such a good opening, and it’s very much up to the state to prove the gross negligence they’re leaning on. They have an uphill battle from day 1, if I’m a juror. And if the defense continues with the precision and determination they have showed thus far, the state is in trouble.
@@shkrjam84 Don't forget that jurors have emotions just as we do, and the female prosecutor's attitude, especially when objecting -- speaking objections and leading witnesses, particularly the lead detective, will not play well with jurors. I've had a job where I was pressured to do the opposite of what I was taught/trained to do. It's difficult to not only bring up a conflict between written "rules" and what your boss is telling you to do. I've also been in a position where I am responsible for X, Y, Z but I have zero authority over decisions. Toxic workplaces where power-dynamics are at play, especially when no one will accept responsibility (or go on record) for their decisions, is difficult after decades of being in the workforce. I can't imagine what it's like for a 23yo. If she sent e-mails with regards to being uncomfortable about established protocol not being followed, I'm sure she had a few verbal discussions about it first.
@@B_Bodziak absolutely! As an early/mid 20s when I was a baby nurse, dealing with the power dynamics of arrogant physicians that thought they could do no wrong and their judgment was divine was exactly what came to mind thinking about the dynamics with Alec Baldwin, and Halls is the equivalent of a shitty nurse manager or admin suit that is supposed to be there to intervene, advocate, ensure safety and quality of the work done, and does anything but.
The best part of today when EDB says ‘he was not even supposed to pull out all of the way’ - and I know this case is so serious but these moments really do make me love watching live trial (on replay) with you EDB 💜
Replay here, but this witness is outstanding.
Emily you do this like no one can. I love your passion.
Emily's correct. It was Hannah's job to do Hannah's job, and if she was unable, she needed to push back even if it meant she might get fired. They needed an armoror more than she needed them. And other more experienced armorors declined this job on purpose. But that safety manager should have been doing his job too and pushed back on Baldwin, who said he did nothing wrong. Now we know he did more than break his own required rules, even though he doesn't think so. This may not go well, for him knowing this. When you're in safety you have to do safety properly - no excuses.
By pushing back, would that include an e-mail to her bosses requesting additional time so her safety concerns could be addressed? If her email request was denied, what should she have done? Quit the job and said goodbye to her entire future career? Seriously asking?
As I nurse,other nurses ALWAYS told me to watch out because the older nurses will eat their own!!! AND I believe its the same in this case!!! Scared of newbies
I was an OT. My theory was nurses who were in positions of authority such as I needed to work with had risen through the ranks because they could be brutal.
Do you mean you think they are throwing Hannah under the bus?
@@Clopidogrel22pretty obvious that that’s what’s going on…
@@katamine11 I agree
In 3 hospitals, I never experienced older nurses “eating there own” in an acute care setting. Some people are helpful and work as a team, and some dont. This happens in any job. My experiences with the older nurses was presenting a strong positive work ethic.
I think defence HAD to go that hard at that witness because he is the strongest witness prosecution has had yet 🙌🏻 very credible, very sympathetic. I agree with Emily though, I think he was still more mad at Alec than Hannah and they should have leveraged that to have an effective but more compassionate cross examination.
His credibility got knocked down some pegs for me once the lawsuit and his “injuries” that he never testified to nor did prosecution address came out. It’s a murder trial, if her actions caused multiple injuries then why didn’t prosecution address those? He has a vested interest in the outcome of this case and stands to gain financially from it. Defense had every reason to address that.
I don't know why the prosecutor is asking a dolly grip what an armorer's job is. He's not an expert, he's not the producer or production manager and he had no say in who the armorer is, or whether an armorer must be hired. She needs the union rep to answer those questions or an experienced armorer to act as expert witness. . Grip dept is a different local,, however he is providing good info on the lack of safety on this particular set
He can speak to his experience though, and that stuff on this set was totally different than any other he’d worked on before. That seemed like the thrust of those questions to me - not that he was presenting the industry standards as an expert, but speaking to his own observations on what he would expect from a set based on his work experience, and how the Rust set didn’t meet those expectations.
This. And especially when his testimony is clearly impacted by his emotions and experience on the day
Agreed, I said the same thing when she asked it and I’m shocked the judge allowed it. He should be able to speak on his experience with this production, but other productions are irrelevant.
Thank you Emily for standing up for Ross. The cross on his injury was bulls$&*.
Watching with you Emily and Nerds is amazing! I’ve been around for a long time but rarely get to watch live Court. This was AWESOME! Thank you everyone for making my afternoon special.
Should she have been forced to work time she was not compensated for? Honest question. Especially after she raised her concerns and was shut down.
This
I can't wait to hear from David Halls, but I guess he can basically say whatever he wants because there are no repercussions for him besides no one wanting to work with him ever again. To hear he was just completely dismissive of safety concerns brought directly to his face and he just walked away is appalling, I know he took a plea but can someone anyone just find a way around that and punish him more because it needs to happen. I'm big mad
This case keeps pulling on me back and forth. She doesn’t feel fully guilty but she sure as hell isn’t innocent.
I was so recently the same age as Hannah! It would be very intimidating to stand up and say “No” to powerful individuals that could potentially blacklist you at the start of a career. Especially watching people far more senior than you be bullied and ignored. At the same time if I felt I couldn’t do my job without putting people in danger, that’s it, I’m not doing it. End of story. I put more blame on the AD and Baldwin but can’t figure how much I put on her.
For me it was finalised when Ross said that no one on set ever stood up to Baldwin. Then why is he judging this 24yo newbie for not doing so?
@@vee_tinymoose It was part of her job.
Unless Baldwin had threatened her with imminent physical violence she's got no "poor young scared me" standing, as we just saw in Paul Ferguson's sentencing.
Part of agreeing to sign on in a position where you are in charge of safety is accepting the responsibility of standing up against your boss to protect people. I think she just wasn't ready for a production like this, and I put more blame on Hall, Zachary, and Baldwin, but she accepted that responsibility and then did not follow through
At her age and being new to the job I was absolutely have buckled to my boss(es). Would it have been/was I stupid and naive? Yes, yes, and yes. But would I feel that it was my fault? No. Not everyone reacts to situations the same way you do.
@@katamine11 oh I agree I think most people would buck. I’m just a stubborn ass. 😂
I've studied industrial hygiene and occupational health and hope the prosecution has some sort of safety expert explain the swiss cheese model of accident causation. It really applies in this case and would be really helpful to expalin to curor how while yes there were other factors in play here, other "holes" in the cheese, without Gutierrez this accident could not have occured. The swiss cheese model shows slices of swiss chese lined up and an accident can only go through those slices of cheese if those holes line up just right. The slices represent various things like PPE, education on proper procedures and protocols, etc. Gutierrez was the last line line of defense the last piece of cheese in the model. So yes other factors were at play and other people were involved but without Hannah's involvement the accident could have been prevented.
"That would be... Dave Halls!"
Ooof. Ross' gentle little uptick at the end of that sentence speaks volumes. He didn't just come to be a witness. He came to tell a Story. Yeah, with a capital S. That's the voice you use when you are unbelievably angry and want to Hulk-smash, but you're holding it back and using that energy for a positive purpose.
He's also thinking, "I have no right to speak for Halyna. None. But because of Defendant's action or inaction Halyna can no longer speak, so maybe I'm a poor choice but I'm what she has".
Totally agree with you Emily. Baldwin was the only concern for the prosecution for that young lady's death, instead of looking toward the whole chain of culpability.
I've met Alec Baldwin. He can be intimidating and I could see a young girl on set not being mature enough to handle the responsibility of the job she had. There's a lot of pressure on set and her superiors were pushing her. She's culpable, but so are Halls and Baldwin. Time is money and it sounds like production was worried about money more than about safety.
At minimum, when that first accidental discharge happened, production should have had an immediate safety meeting to address.
It's a very sad situation.
But the armorer can call cut. Can call a safety meeting. Can lock up all the guns. Can take her stuff and guns and go home. Production is required to have an armorer and would lose their insurance without one. She didn’t do her job. There were lots of failures but had she done her job we would not have had a death.
The only person to call “cut” is the director, you can get in a lot of trouble doing that, unless you’re “above the line”.
The only person to call a safety meeting is the 1st AD, unless you sneakily, loudly with your Dept head go to the AD in earshot of the Director and actor, stressing your concern, for safety, then if they don’t listen, go to production and wash your hands of it. You have to know to do that though. Film industry and Film set closely mirror the military, theirs a hierarchy, if you’re not in the chain of command you’re kinda SOL, especially on low budget.
She can’t t really lock up the guns and leave them there, she would have been fired instantly, and prop master, her boss, then would have taken over. Possibly Blacklisted. If she took the guns and left she could be charge for the full price of the guns insurance/rental fee, and/or charge with stealing. most likely Blacklisted
Contrary to what the Dolly Grip said, if you’re not union you can’t contact the union, most art dept isn’t union on low budgets. Also on her second job she wouldn’t know who to call, the people she could only talk to is the 1st AD or Production, maybe the director.
Maybe things have changed, but what I remember, IATSE, is made up of hundreds of unions, each with their own standards, dues to pay, rules, protocols. One Union can’t control the another union members, nor help.
Insider baseball: Joining the union is like a catch 22, espically in Art Dept. You have to have 300hrs plus pay dues, which is up to 10k just to get in, in some dept but the only way to get hours is be on a show that flips.
To be on show that flips, a union member has to call their union to get the show flipped, and then a member comes to/ contact production to get it flipped, production gets halted. New protocols of compliance get put in place.
New crew has to get hired if they are not union, then new contracts has to be signed. Lawyers have to get involved, and union rep have to be represented on set, and check set, budget ballons, new insurance, etc.
Usually Camera Dept is Union, one cause it’s easier to get into, it’s kinda of “boys club”, they also get the lion share of the budget, which comes with being Union.
@@DjinnFrostythank you!!! I have been trying to work out this stuff you’ve shared. It has seemed completely inconceivable and unrealistic when commentators have said that this 24yo, inexperienced woman (because we all know that gender does actually matter when power is involved), could magically have stopped the whole movie and walked off set with all the guns. I still haven’t even been able to find anything that says who owned the damn guns.
@@DjinnFrostyalso, boys club is exactly the feel that the witness Ross gave me
@@vee_tinymoose I got the same feeling too
Bravo, Ross. Just…Bravo.
Replay crew here: I would love them to bring in an expert on obedience - learned a lot of interesting things in my master’s program about how far people are willing to go before pushing back on things they don’t feel are right if they are being told by an authority to do it. Would be an interesting add to this conversation. Not as easy to walk away from bad situations as some people may think!
They finished filming the movie last May. It was part of a legal agreement with Helena's husband that he get a producer credit and see her final project through to the end. For him to work alongside Alec to finish the movie must have been hella awkward.
DNA. Wish I was half as articulate as her when people ask me what I do …in retail 🤦🏽♀️ she is GOOD
Really enjoying the commentary. I'm learning lots from you and also having a good laugh along the way, which is much needed at the moment. Thank you!
Replay crew! Scrambled to keep up all day between birthday lunches and homeschool 😅 so happy to be here for the best commentary on the tubes!
I want justice! YES SIR!
I think I better understand what really sat poorly with me for Ross’s testimony. It felt like he was trying to be in two roles as a witness. Providing expertise and also the emotion of being there. Which meant he was speaking as if he was a dispassionate observer when he’s clearly not because he was there and because his friend was shot. I understand that he’d be furious with Hannah. But then let him just be there as a witness who was furious. Not as having expertise that’s now being delivered through anger and resentment and blame.
" her job to b pushing " but if her supervisors and producion managers are rushing her and overriding her authority then how is that on her!! I totally feel like they r using her as a scapegoat 😢
She was the armorer. If she cannot do everything needed to keep that set safe, she should have walked. Furthermore, double checking that gun after lunch would have taken seconds. I have zero sympathy for her. I also feel Halls should be seated next to her at this trial.
@TheMaleficent1 I agree with u about Hall's. Ulimatly she probably will b found guilty as well as Baldwin. After seeing the video of the police interrogation I think she self snitched on herself. I feel bad for everyone. This wasn't intentional there was so much that shouldn't been done better. 😢
@@bluecoffeecancergirl8589 Don't want to be contrary but I really don't feel sorry for Gutierrez, Halls or Baldwin...only Helena.
@TheMaleficent1 well that's you I guess
3:31:47 is where Ross completely lost me. Much like the super chat about it, I wasn’t feeling his testimony in the same way EDB was. And then this bit here, full sobs pop up suddenly and the completely disappear afterwards. Feels a bit Maurdaugh to me 🤷♀️
gosh i feel the same as you, i didnt feel his words at all. Im so conflicted with EDB feeling complete opposite.
I thought the same thing. Im not accusing him of faking anything, but i wonder if the cross was so tough because he could see the jury wasnt moved by the testimony
@@spigney4623 ohh good thought!
@@Clopidogrel22 yeah it’s an odd feeling.
I have been watching this trial on the Court TV because I just can't concentrate the testimony and Emily's commentary. Today I had to come here after watching Ross to hear what Emily had to say!
The gasp I gasped when defence asked Ross if he was testifying to further his civil case!
Rewatch crew: this prosecutor saying, “ Let me ask you.” And,” Let me …” is driving me as nuts as Elaine’s,” What if anything.”
at 2:51:14 the court feed skips ahead. (You can see EDB kinda react to the jump.) I went to the Law and Crime channel to catch what was missed. The Defense was trying to get the witness to admit a bias against female armorers. Ross stuck to his guns and said the fact that she was so young was what was different for him. (not exact wording). The Defense nudged a few times, but didn't get the answer he was looking for.
I love this man. What a great witness. Well done.
This defense attorney (First time I have seen him) is really ticking me off. He acts like this witness was at fault..This is stupid.
ok, now I HATE the defense attorney...He is making enemies.
Wow, this man is going to lose his case. What an A**.
I’m watching this replay and gooooo Emily!!!! We love Ross!!! Don’t come for him bowls!!!
I was on Hanna's side until cross of this witness. I completely flipped. What an absolute failure for defence
Hey Emily, I thought you were Spot ON with you evaluation of the defense and the prosecutor as well. I was surprised at those who disagreed. Thanks for you coverage, you really make a trial entertaining. lol
"YOUR HONOR, NO!" when the court called a break just when the tea started boiling was both an incarnation of my favorite toddler section of my brain and also felt like years of not being able to yell that in court and now feeling it for every time you weren't able to do it in person, LOL.
Not all of us, Emily. I totally agree with the Defense on that cross (even though I had empathy for the witness)
Me too!
Unpopular opinion, but while I found the Dolly Grip witness to be sympathetic and genuine, his testimony felt very biased to me. He seemed to be focused on a storyline, rather than answering questions and being direct, clear, and complete about what he saw or didn’t see. He seemed to be telling the prosecution’s story and not much else. He frequently made up his own questions to answer instead of actually answering the questions asked by the defense. He’s angry and that’s understandable, but the extent to which that drove his testimony reduced its impact for me.
Defense strategy was also bad in the beginning of this cross, and that didn’t help.
I have so much reapect for Mr. Ross
Oh this one made me cry.
Emily I feel your rage so much and I’m not sure how much of this I can stand. She should’ve took a plea deal because she has no defense. At some point they’ll present an expert armourer and that will be the end of her. I still wish every single producer had been charged as well because hiring someone so inexperienced, not making sure all protocols are followed on set, even having the armorer do anything other than focus on weapons is criminal negligence that they all know of.
She wasn't even offered a plea deal unlike someone else who happened to get off with probation...
1:18:56 Noooo! The Judge just ended the Act with a commercial break! 😮 but, but… ahhhh!
😂 Emily stop! Mr. Bows is just doing his job. U know this. Plus, that guy does appear to have ulterior motives. It's fine to sue, but u know he was NOT physically injured. Also, the guy had to be interrogated this way when he was pretending to be an expert on armorers. What if u where in Hannahs shoes..Mr. Bows is doing his best job for Hannah/Emily. Your letting his tears get u revved up. I still ❤ u & your big ❤!!
Yay George Mason! I’m a graduate and was on the track team. 2000!!!
I think Mr. Ross was given too much leeway. He wasn't an Armorer. He doesn't know what Hannah's contact said. He doesn't know she was given 8 days to be an Armorer and then was told not to do that job anymore. They were on day 17. By contract she wasn't the Armorer anymore.
If he was so concerned and he has all this experience with safety, why didn't he leave? He stayed.
Hannah's boss had access, by her own admission, to ammo and guns.
And if his lawyers are suing everybody, and Hannah is supposed to be the problem, why isn't she part of his lawsuit.
They had 0 safety briefs. Hannah wasn't allowed on the set. There's a chain of custody issue here.
Hannah should've quit. She should've contacted the union she wasn't a part of to warn them. But she is absolutely not the only one and she is least culpable after that OSHA report comes in.
Across platforms, this wasn't Ross 1.
Ross didn't see it. He didn't see her. He said "This is what should happen".
Safety is everybody's job. To say it's not his job is disgusting.
Yes. It seems that Ross had tonnes of experience and knew it was bad, and was in the union, and he stayed.
Hannah was very new, inexperienced, not in the union, and had tried multiple
Times to get more days.
What makes Ross stay looking good?
You said it so well. Exactly what I was feeling but couldn't quite put it in words.
I was surprised he was allowed to speak with so much authority on things he had no knowledge of or had anything to do with him, frankly.
Replay crew- struggled to find this video! Kept getting morning stream.
Having worked with firearms in the past, I’m appalled this set was so lax. More people should have been charged.
Listening to Ross testify about someone else being injured is so much more moving than Amber heard testifying about multiple very traumatic experiences that she claimed happened to her. Amber made most people feel nothing when she would cry on stand and Ross starts to tear up and have voice cracks and EVERYONE is crying.
I had the same thought. Murdaugh also. But then John Murdaugh testified and I had tears streaming down my face. We feel the real emotions.
Replay crew. I listened the first time but watching again. Even better.
I figured out why I did not care for Ross. I think that he is the type of co worker who will watch you make a mistake and then criticize you in front of his clique. My heart goes out to him though because he is still suffering from the tragedy that happened.
Yessss!!!
Just tuned in for the end of live, happy to be first replay crew!
Hero Prop: any prop the main Actors are using, seen on screen. A hand prop can become a Hero Prop, if an actor grabs something in a scene. Hero props are usually “real” then sub for faux things if it’s a gun, knife, bottle, food, if safety is an issue
I just cannot believe that an inexperienced 24 year old was hired to do a job that lives depended on. Thinking back to when I was 24 years old at work I absolutely got bullied into silence when things weren’t right. Lives weren’t at stake in these situations and I hope if they had been I would have had the courage to stand up to the powers that be but I cannot know that for sure. It really does seem plausible that she was hired because she was cheap and as she was young and inexperienced she could be bullied into cutting corners. It is such a travesty Dave Halls isn’t on trial too
I’m upset they allowed the dolly grip to answer questions as an expert(give his opinion) without offering him as an expert. It felt really gross to me. Just offer him as a damn expert!
Smh, I agree, I don’t know how he was able to focus on doing Dollying, if he was so focused on Art dept. I’ve seen prop master handle, guns, when multiple gun are on set and you’re not fully staffed. Art Dept rarely has enough people for set decorations let alone props, usually only one prop person, who doubles as Armourer.
In order or Hierarchy in the Art department
1-Production designer - Head
2-Art director - Manager
3-Set Designer, Set Decorator, Assistant Art Director, Prop Master - Assistant Managers
4-Set Dresser, Art PA, Prop Master Asst., Armourer, Prop Maker, Set Painter, Set Builder - Workers
Armourer is slightly under Prop Master, but also works in conjunction with prop master but also can be equal to Prop Master, if more is needed, ie swords, you can have a Head Armourer
Yes!
I have to admit I don't like this witness as much as everyone else seems to. Nothing against him personally, I'm sure he's lovely. I'm still very much undecided on this case, interested to keep watching and see if either side is able to convince me! I hope Halyna's husband and son are coping during what must be a very traumatic time.
Me too. He felt, mean (?). It felt like he was trying to be in two roles as a witness. Providing expertise and also the emotion of being there. Which meant he was speaking as if he was a dispassionate observer when he’s clearly not because he was there and because his friend was shot. I understand that he’d be furious with Hannah. But then let him just be there as a witness who was furious. Not as having expertise that’s now being delivered through anger and resentment and blame.
I don't either, I am so confused being in the minority here!
Yeah! Exactly how I felt. I feel bad because it's not really his fault. The prosecution were trying to use him as an expert witness when he wasn't one. I agreed with the defense lawyer that he was clearly giving 'expert testimony' and not just talking about his experiences as the prosecutor claimed. It felt a bit underhand. So it's not entirely his fault but it left a bad taste in my mouth and I couldn't get past it, it made me dislike him as a witness. @@vee_tinymoose
Replay crew here from Oklahoma! See everyone tomorror!
I'm on the rematch crew. This is absolutely riveting viewing. I'm seeking watches at work through the day ad can't wait to get home.
Only part way through the afternoon but i feel like the prosecution are pointing out more why its not her fault its odd
That man is lucky to have his life. It's so scary to think that all of us are so close to danger every day without actually taking that fact in. I can't imagine unknowingly never seeing my son or my loved ones ever again.
I missed the live- whahhhh 😭😭 thank you for having this on replay!
Love the notices and emails! Love the show. Sending blessings all around! 🎉❤
I really wish we’d stop repeating “she didn’t do her job”. The reality is it sounds like she did do her job for the number of hours she was paid to do it. We CANNOT punish someone for not working for free. I know there is minutiae here but we MUST NOT normalize donating our time as employees when leadership pushes back if we say “I need more time or more support”.
THIS!!!!
I’ve heard commentators say that she should have found time, she should have done it at night or on the weekend. Just no. They should have allocated the right amount of hours.
I agree! And targeting her with these charges is setting a terrible precident
@@vee_tinymoose correct. I work as a prime contractor and if our customer wants work above and beyond then we either ask for funds or we tell them what they will have to give up to have this new request met.
I understand that level of assertiveness is a beetch when you’re young and new to industry but… it’s necessary. May this case and tragedy be a lesson all around to many - especially about not letting corporations shortchange you for the job you will be doing.
2:50:44 I don't want to assume how Hannah seems to be sitting their appearing unaffected by that testimony but I know that when I am on certain medications for mental health stuff and I have to take more beyond my normal because I am stressed out to the point of extreme panic, I can completely flip and become very dispassionate and apathetic, it basically just kills all the emotion. I'm not saying that's what's going on with Hannah - I think if it is they'd want to be really careful to make sure she doesn't appear unaffected to the jury - but I know with me it happens.
On replay crew: Does the absence of the other defense council that I believe Emily said is no longer on the case, have anything to do with the question to the jury last Friday, and the early end to that day?
After lunch Jensen was just outside the church when it happened. He helped move gear away because he knew it would hinder 1st responders.
Mobile iPhone glitched at replay ~16min :) ie precisely when you mentioned it. closing and restarting app fixed it
Excellent analysis, EDB. Thank you.
1 negligent discharge is a "strike one you're out" type of seriousness. Sarah and Hannah should have been fired for that. To have TWO negligent discharges within an hour is absolutely out of this world. Hannah was so far out of her league. This is the type of stuff you would expect to happen if you hired an armorer who had NO experience with firearms. Random people loading blanks, actors playing with guns, guns just laying around, loose ammunition all over the place, nobody checking the rounds at all. That's just insane. 18 months is nowhere near enough time in jail for something like this that is so easily avoidable just with simple basic safety checks.
I feel for Ross and others who were there that day…I have PTSD and it is very serious. I have a hard time believing that he received a blast injury from what happened. If that was the case, why is no one being charged for those injuries? Why didn’t the prosecution bring that up on direct and ask him about his injuries? It looks bad that they didn’t. If he was suing for PTSD that would be fully understandable, but he literally testified that “2 people were injured”…MULTIPLE times, never including him and the other 2 people suing for injuries. He himself testified the crew had a right to ask for the gun to be checked/verified/shown to them to be cold/loaded correctly and he didn’t request that nor did he walk off like others after he brought up safety issues and was ignored. I agree with Hoag’s comment, it sounds like hindsight. This should never have happened and so many people failed, but I don’t like people being disingenuous either. This is a rare occasion I disagree with Emily. Just finished the redirect and now I’m even more confused. He wasn’t emotional on cross when discussing his lawsuit and injuries and effects, but then immediately gets emotional when she mentions loss of interest and then recovers quickly for the next question…(something Emily herself comments on when others do it)….I have questions…
Idk how the judge allowed those questions from the prosecutor like he was an expert. & didn’t say anything to the prosecutor for being so animated when an objection. I don’t like that prosecutor at all.
Sorry but I agree that defense has to try to put some negativity in the witnesses testimony. Do I like it no but he can't not do something.....what would you have done here if Hannah were your client?
Watching this as replay, absolutely harrowing. Must be so awful to have to relive being present for such an awful occurrence. My heart goes out to the families, friends and colleagues of Halyna ❤
Emily your coverage is fantastic !
Ross Addiego at 7.26mins said that in the Church before lunch that his Camera Lens was one foot from Baldwins shoe. Halyna Hutchens was beside him at about 2 feet from Baldwin. Distance from Baldwin to door was 16 feet. 'BLANKS shall not be fired at any distance closer than 20 feet...' they can kill. The cameras moved in closer as instructed by which 2 people.?(Church Scene has been censored
I thought Bowles did a good job at cross. I know I am in the minority. He is on Hannah's side.
Pretty risky accusing an emotional witness of only wanting money though. Bowles is a good lawyer. Maybe he is trying to exploit the prosecutors short temper.
I agree!
Omg!! I just had a flash back to my senior year chemistry instrumentation class
When Mr Bowls got up to cross the grip witness it was bald against bald against Baldwin. "I'm hoping for justice, sir"
Popped back n forth but rewatching for what I missed until the interview 💕💕⚖️⚖️
Something interesting mentioned: bullets when used as props (belts, bandoleers, etc) were the responsibility of props (Sarah Zachary). And live bullets were found in those props. Plus Sarah Zachary allegedly dumped the bullets out of the gun after the lethal shot? Sus...
1:27:40 EDB thanks for reminding me of the LA county coroner chalk outline shirt I had back in the early 90s. I wonder what they're worth on ebay these days.
Jensen's interview also explains the different loads for blanks. His story of Hannah's "training" she did with him is actually pretty funny.
He’s a defence lawyer, and I think he’s just gotta go for it so it is what it is.
This witness was great at saying what happened on the site, but quite clearly he’s already made his mind up over who loaded the gun, and why is there so it’s relevant that the cross is a little feisty in my opinion
Idk man i couldn't get behind the last witness from the emotion disappearing faster than the replay of the live went up to him knowing everything about everything UNTIL it came to saying anything that could even slightly be positive for Hannah
He flipped like a switch during the final questions. Weird!
@@ursula868I don’t find that strange at all. When you’re trying to hold it together and compartmentalize things, to be reminded of something so personal (your ongoing trauma and lack of enjoyment of life after witnessing something like this), the emotion can come on suddenly. You can sometimes let it pop out then grab hold of it again. This is a unique situation to be in and I don’t think any of us are in a position to judge how someone displays emotion. It’s not a gradual up and down scale, people are complicated.
@@dw13645 I'm aware, I'm also human. We sure are complicated and unpredictable. But the jury will be forming an opinion. It's not about judging someone, but evaluating everything altogether.
@@ursula868 I’m not on the jury so can’t say how they’re reacting to him but it just didn’t ring false to me in any way. That’s all.
@@dw13645 it's not that he broke and recovered, I've done that plenty in moments of grief, I just didn't feel like this was sincere. That's a subjective thing that wouldn't sway me one way or another as a jury member, because I would need to make my decision based on objective elements.
So like, to me? The way they went after that witness? I'd bet it was to get him to fly off the handle. He was CLEARLY pissed. He was glaring at Hannah. He was ANGRY. If they could get him to fly off the handle, they might be able to cast doubt on him. Hannah could have even simply told them "He has an anger problem." I mean, it's PURELY speculation... but it's possible.
For me it was really important that they highlighted how angry he was. He was testifying as if he were an unbiased expert when he was clearly furious at Hannah. And while that fury has reason, it also means he shouldn’t have been allowed to present expertise as if he wasn’t also a witness or victim
His anger was understandable. His friend was killed because of her negligence. It makes absolute sense to me. And he was very fair in his testimony toward Gutierrez. He did not exaggerate and testified to only what he saw.
I believe Hannah should have gone into apprenticeship for a couple of years before taking on a job of that magnitude. She was riding on the coat tails of her father
Agreed! However, I also think that Baldwin and Halls took advantage of her newness to cut cost, control her pace, and not hire a full time armorer. They knew they’d be able to push her around.
That guy, the first guy. Chemist guy, could be a good teacher. He takes complicated, intimidating things/terms and walks you simply through point a to z on how it's completely normal & easy to understand.
@EmilyDBaker With your renown, (if I was these defense attorneys) I would run home and watch your stream for Cliff Notes! Honestly, it would be worth their while to pay an intern to peruse your channel for tips and have that intern provide them a summary of your points. AKA Emily's Notes!
I think I now have Jensen's line memorized 😂 We heard it so many times!
Harlan Rust..... 🤭