These should NOT be capable of Minecraft...
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2023
- Thanks PCBWay.com - I've long dreamt about running Minecraft on really old Macs - like G3 iMacs and PowerBooks. Well, ClassiCube makes that dream a reality.
We're not just going to check out ClassiCube though - we're going to set up a server so we can play ONLINE!
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🍎 ClassiCube for PowerPC Macs: macintoshgarden.org/games/min...
🍎 ClassiCube Github: github.com/UnknownShadow200/C...
🍎 MCGalaxy Server Github: github.com/UnknownShadow200/M...
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#Minecraft #PowerPC #Macintosh - Наука та технологія
It's amazing how a game that looks "blocky" and low res actually needs so much more power than most computers you THINK it would run on.
That's because even though Sean says it "optimized" for these platforms, it really still needs a TON of work.
reinforces how bad java is as a game environment
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 it's only bad for performance. it's easy to get into. there probably wouldn't have been as big of a content explosion had the game been made in a more traditional (and less reverse-engineerable) language like c++
@@lboston4660 considering the time it came out, it worked well - every standard pc since has been able to run the base game decently. It's mainly when you go back some generations that the cracks start to show, when 3d had to be as low-level as possible to even work well at the time.
@@lboston4660 I think the Bedrock version of minecraft is in c++
I know it's been upgraded, but seeing a G4 Cube run a version of Minecraft from 2015 with way higher FPS than I got playing the beta on modern-ish hardware in 2011 is painful😂
@@retrospacenet Yeah its bad, shame its still the best version to play.
@@RisingRevengeance and the best to mod.
@mrdog9950 Bedrock is great ? Very nice joke you did there
How crap is you modern-ish hardware I’ve never lagged on Minecraft beta, even on a mid-2000s XP machine
Like a low-end 2011 HP Pavillion with no real dedicated GPU kinda crap. Technically modern for the time, but not good by any means. Wasn't as bad as my pal who ran the game on his netbook though.
Geez. I send you a FB message and you answer with an entire video! Nice!
Ahh another I follow!
The children yearn for the mines.
I've played Minecraft on my Power Mac G5 Quad. Can't remember which version, but it was one of the ports available on Macintosh Garden.
It runs SHOCKINGLY well. I was pulling like, 120 fps. Blew my mind haha.
Edit: Granted I probably first played Minecraft in 2011 on my 2009 MBP, which was only like, four years newer than the Quad. And I recall it running great on that. So I guess it's not too surprising it runs that well on the Quad. Still fun tho. :D
The error you got in the Libretto, "illegal instruction", means the executable contains instructions the CPU doesn't understand. So, the CPU is missing an instruction set that the CPU used to compile that executable did not.
Since the project is open source, you can try to fix this by compiling the project on the Libretto itself, ensuring the executable will only contain instructions that CPU understands. If there's a C compiler that can compile the project, and runs on the Libretto, then you can do it. Then again, RAM may be an issue, but it should at least attempt to launch.
They could also compile from another computer targetting it instead, which would be much better :P
I thought that was what the error meant...I don't know why I remember that information but it is permanently in my brain...now along with some information and a direction to try and fix the issue...😂
I got a perfect condition PowerBook G4 Titanium 1 GHZ at my local swapmeet last week for a grand total of only $13, with a working battery! I just started messing with installing Minecraft on it. Can't wait for a possible server with other old Macs!
ClassiCube is quite nice to see, as an admin of an old retired server that used Minecraft Classic as it’s base that was revived for this re-write of Classic Version it’s really great to be able to play on the maps I played on all those years ago.
Minecraft 68K! That's what this world needs!
That cube is looking sexy! I remember watching the video of you modding it not too long ago, and I have to say I was a little iffy on putting LED's in there originally but it came out looking rather nice.
I have that model of iMac in storage, genuinely tempted to pull it out and fix it up thanks to your videos
One of my favourite videos! I’ll definitely try and join the server and maybe even get it working on some of my older computers. Maybe even the 7100/66! 😂
Sean that is very impressive running that game on the older Macs great that you found that I will have to try that on my clamShell
To run on a P75 with no hardware acceleration its definitely gonna need a custom software renderer.
I would love to see you play powerpc compatible games on all the upgraded macs you have in storage
Nice! I'll be trying this out on my older machines as well.
If a potato can run GLaDOS it can run a Minecraft server too!
Back in the day I used to use decompiled Minecraft code as an example of all the things NOT to do in Java. I even taught a class on refactoring using it.
It was just such a fantastic example of how not to engineer code.
I'm sure the current version is much better but man was that thing a hackey mess.
Apparently it still is a mess, Bedrock is made from scratch to run on C for this reason
It's a revolutionary game but man notch is not that good of a programmer lol
To be fair, the game ran pretty inefficiently well before Microsoft got their hands on it via the abstraction through the JVM and piss poor platform dependent JOGL implementations.
It was good when it was limited to small worlds, but as it got expanded with enemies, animals and effectively endless worlds, it became pretty hefty. While the current version might be unplayble on older machines, I think its better optimized; I recently started playing it with an old gaming PC (i7-950 old) and I don't remember it playing any better back in the day.
This is the kind of content that I never knew I needed.
Babe wake up, action retro uploaded another Minecraft video
Talking to your imaginary partner again are we
@@KORUPTable r/whoosh
@@RJmakes69 Yeah I know it's a fucking reddit meme
@@KORUPTable damn someone’s mad over a comment 💀
Honestly this is great. I’m tempted to set up a bunch of old gear a perma-minecraft clients around the house. I’m sure this would get the attention of my kids.
Oh dear, I might have to buy an vintage G3 Mac soon so I can get in on the vintage minceraft shenanigan's. Amazing though! Surreal to see an iBook and an iMac G3 both running minceraft and communicating with each other on a multiplayer server!
One day we will have Minecraft running on a Mac Plus... a guy can dream...
I expect the only reason it didn't run on the Libretto is the lack of OpenGL support.
Cool to see anything at all running on an iBook Clamshell TBH! I really need to try and learn how to write code because I'd really like to port Midtown Madness (which has an open source remake) to PPC Mac..
Hah, that subtle not-so-subtle internet historian intro, I appreciate the effort Sean 😘
I have a bondi iMac with the GameWizard voodoo 2 mezzanine card. It played a kick ass quake 3 arena. It only ran in 16 bit so it gave me excellent frame rates
great stuff
The same model iBook (466MHz DV SE) was the first computer I bought myself after leaving school with my first couple of pay checks. Fond memories of that laptop.
Nice! Might try out the irix or solaris version. Atleast octane2 should handle that.
Did you try using the MESA software renderer for the Toshiba Libretto? Maybe it was crashing because there was no available OpenGL implementation?
Sean, what's the keyboard shortcut for full screen on the Mac for ClassiCube?
around @19:15 perfect opportunity to have the "Steves" point at each other like spiderman, well if it was possible
Was there a performance boost when using the server to do some of the heavy lifting?
I remember that was the case when you setup the G5 server.
I'm from Prince Edward Island, Canada - the potatoe province - and I approve these potatoe computers.
Me and my kids are playing Minecraft for iOS on iPad 1 original, 256Mb, version 0.14, two at a time, and it has being great!
It's MINECRAFT!
...on POTATO!
Oh wow, that HP Pavilion! I had a 2005 17” model, went to university with me that autumn. Died on me within days of handing in my final dissertation. It served me well! I miss that thing.
The first iBook was awesome.
The only correct way to play MineCraft 2001 is with a Gravis GamePad Pro. preferably the original white GamePort model, but the Gray USB version is acceptable
Nightmare chad mode: Play it with a Microsoft Sidewinder joystick.
@@Drbeckerproductions 🤣🤣🤣 👍
That hp was my first laptop. that thing crushed Minecraft and dolphin emu. It was surprisingly good
i dont own any retro computer apart from an ancient AST286, running dos, still watch your videos every time, because the g3 brings me sweet memorys from my time in school.
because of the g3 i came to know my lovely wife
is your wife's name ... Lisa ? LOL. Sorry, i had to put in a very terrible Apple Computer joke there
Oh man, infinitely spreading lava. Alpha was wild!
Now that I've gotten my imac g3 indigo up and running I'm thinking I might give this a go....
Might even run on exceptionally fast Amiga PPC accelerators.
i think someone did do that actually on a vampire
Heck, I'd love to see it run on my PiStorm Amiga 1200 with 900 megs of RAM...
@@LeftoverBeefcake I don't think the PiStorm's chipram interface is fast enough to use AGA. You'd have to run it through RTG, but even then I'm not sure it would run at playable speeds. Sadly there are limits to what any "real" Amiga can achieve, no matter how much hardware you add on.
None of the contemporary PPC boards could do it, as they topped out at the PPC 604E at around 250 to 300MHz. Plus, the whole concept was flawed, with so many compromises, bottlenecks and a lot of bodging, meaning the PPC chips could never reach their full potential in a classic Amiga.
@@another3997 Yeah, those things were complete jank, and too little too late anyway. Plus as far as I can tell they were as fragile as eggs. The A1200 models were particularly ridiculous because they required stupid amounts of mods to even fit (Towerize the 1200, just for a start).
Classic minecraft I miss u
I am 100% hopping on the server as soon as I can when the IP drops
Minecraft will be the only playable game after the Apocalypse.
love this.
I love your hamster mouse - it looks so comfy too. ❤🐹🖱
I just tried this on my Athlon XP 2100 and QuadroFX 1100. I got 130-250fps at 1024x768 with the graphics all the way up. Wow!
dude i played this on my moms old pc from 2006 its good
that was awesome!
I'd like to see how well it would run on the upgraded 9600. If it could run with playable frame rate on a 9500 with all the upgrades from the 9600 that would be a Macintosh released in 1995 playing minecraft.
The Graphite Imac G3 Was The Computer From My Childhood
The nice thing is, if you run the server on another machine that perhaps a little more power and RAM, it'll probably let the clients run a little better since they dont have to handle all the computations to run Minecraft aside from rendering the world and relaying changes between the client and server.
Sean, when i get home at the end of the month i'll try this on a recently purchased 900mhz and my 800mhz snow book g3s.
Need to do Win 3.0, Win 5.1, Chomebook, all Dos versions [starting with 6 and walking back to 1], mint, Ubuntu. That's good for a start;-)
no way, you've gone so far, that you've gone past the creation of minecraft itself
That Cube thing only implements a basic creative mode, so I would say the comparison is not fair.
It's entirely fair. The version of Minecraft running on that "Cube thing" is woefully outdated and specially tweaked to run on old PPC Macs. New versions will not even run. Classicube has been written from the ground up to be fast on old hardware, using a programming language actually suited to processor and memory intensive projects.
Gonna try this on my Athlon XP 2400+ / GeForce 4 MX 440 machine running Windows 98 later
Wait where and how did you get an IDE ssd
Minecraft can be the new "Doom can run on everything"
Next version of classicube:now on apple II gs
Welp, guess I'm installing ClassiCube on my SGI Octane2 tonight.
ah yes the classic vibes.. reminds me of the days i used to play minecraft on a single core 65nm celeron laptop with intel gma 64mb gpu. we installed industrialcraft and buildcraft by injecting files directly into minecraft.jar.
this was before tekkit and 1.2.5.
I'm sure a lighter OS and enabling C optimizations when compiling Classicube could help the weaker machines (Like the Ibook and IMac G3s), but still, it's Minecraft on ancient PowerPC fruit computers.
I'd be *very* surprised if the G3 optimized version used here doesn't already do all this.
Very interesting. I'm sure it would run well on my eMac or G4 mac mini, let alone my last gen 15" Powerbook G4 (with mobility Radeon 9700!), but I wonder how well it would run on my Lombard PB G3 at 333MHz. The GPU in that thing is literally less than half as powerful as the one in your iBook, despite it only being a year older, so I'm guessing much worse. I really need to round out my collection with higher-end/late G3 and early/mid-range G4 machines.
Can confirm it runs beautifully on an eMac 👍
@@MrLurchsThings That's great news, then it should run about the same if not better on my G4 mac mini. Sadly my eMac is in storage since I don't have the room to keep it set up at home.
Can I compile this on a modern windows pc? If so is there free versions of c to complie it
Keep being most excited about everything you're most excited about!
I might have to give this a shot on my 600mhz PIII machine
ActionRetro is slowly devolving to a Minecraft channel.
(Still interesting content though don't get me wrong)
I had classic Minecraft version 0.30 running on my tiny 1.2GHz Pentium III Tualatin machine. I think I got solid 60fps on that thing.
One good thing about 2001 was that the internet wasn't flooded with minecraft videos lol.
i play it as lasmalvinas its fun and i made the world trade center sears tower and some otter things
Impressive! Java is the end of all performance.
If more opener Minecraft is what’s wanted there’s minetest
“What if slow thing not slow?” *POG FACE*
I discovered classiCube in 2021 and it ran super well on my iMac g4 but the multiplayer didn't work
incredible... nice one my friend....
runs a dream on powerbook G4 fyi...
Finally ClassiCube gets some actual attention!
I was gonna use an original G4 Mac Mini as a Minecraft server for my daughter, but the phase didn't last long with her.
I love this
It runs at capped full framerate on my T40pro with its Mobility FireGL9000 :'D
That card is only Direct X 8.0. So faaast! ! !
I always knew it was the Java holding the performance back.
"some very old powerpc macs and possibly..." 68k 68k 68k 68k "windows 95 machines" aw
Minecrafts performance always perplexed me, it was never great even on relatively contemporary hardware.
i was wondering if you knew how to fix this:
so i think i got banned for some reason
i can't login
but i can click resume on the last server i was on
so i can play on there but i can't login
i've made an alt account i can't login on that one either
Imagine the looking playing that in a coffeeshop on a very old pc
Wish it had a little more such a crafting and mobs.
so cool, time to fire up the old g3 lol
Dang, I think before this the oldest computer I've seen run minecraft with anything near a playable framerate was a ~500mhz pentium III running windows 2000, and even then that was on a version from around 2010. I've got a pentium 100mmx ThinkPad that I would love to try classicube out on once I have the time, hopefully that gets better results than that libretto haha
I've tried ClassiCube on a 1997/1998 Fujitsu desktop with a Pentium II 300MHz (Klamath), ATI Rage Pro AGP, 192MB RAM, Windows Me. It got a whopping 1fps
Another system with a Celeron 333MHz (Mendocino), NVIDIA Riva TNT, 384MB RAM, Windows Me did a lot better at 10fps
i think the last multiplayer game i played on ibooks was age of empires 2, might've played a 2d mmo as well can't recall the name but anyways i'd never imagine those playing something 3d like this.
Scaling at half the framerate with half the clock speeds is a direct indicator of CPU bottlenecks, lol.
Dunno, could be the GPU is also about half as fast... Curious how demanding it is for the GPU. It looks very simple but Minecraft actually pumps out a lot of polygons. No idea how much optimizations like culling classicube has.
@@chunye215 possibly but I doubt it's actually GPU bound. It seems far more likely it's spending most of its cycles telling GL to draw VBOs or push vertex transforms.
Why did the Minecraft player on a 2000's Mac become a master builder?
Because they had plenty of time to admire each block as it loaded!
😮 il play on the server
While this is focused on retr machines, I can't wait to see how it runs on my M1 Pro MBP.
Once you get past a certain level of performance, anything extra is just redundant. Unless you're the kind of person who thinks 3000 fps is worth bragging rights, even though you can't actually see any difference to justc300 fps. 😁
These old Mac's deserve so much better
In what sense? They're just old, outdated computers, of little practical use to anyone. What exactly should people do with them? To some people they provide a dose of nostalgia, to others they're interesting snippets of history, but to most people... they're e-waste.
Where did you even find that beauty? Had to look for ages only to find a lonely TiBook 3.2 and it can most definitely not run Minecraft even when overclocked lol