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Ultimate DOOM... on a Mac SE/30?
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2023
- Thanks PCBWay.com - Ultimate Doom for Mac requires 256 colors and a minimum 68040 processor. Well today, we're playing on a 1989 monochrome Macintosh SE/30.
All thanks to an incredible new graphics solution.
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Glad to see the Cursed Mac is still around. It's really putting the "compact" in compact Mac.
very true all the new hardware stuffed in there is astonishing . and it still works .:)
I’m 69 like nice. I love these channel he should make more of those cursed computer
I expect the Doctor to walk out of it at any moment.
If you think greyscale is an upgrade.. You've come to the right channel 😋👍
Greyscale certainly has it's place, sometimes a picture can be better without colour
@@UNSCPILOT Yeah, as far as the most artsy side of photography goes, that's right. Not so sure about a GUI or computer games. But for sure it's a heckuva of a better experience than 1-bit actual B/W if the software has been made with that option in mind.
@@UNSCPILOT I didn't even know you could do that.. 30 years a LOT has changed
Nice one lol
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SERIOUSLY Sean? Just 2 days ago, my fiancé saw a Macintosh SE30 and asked me, if I would want to have one, too and if Doom can run on it. I told her, there's no way and literally 2 days after that you prove me wrong...... Thanks!
Man, your videos are truly nerd heaven. It brings me so much joy just seeing the title of what crazy old mac adventure we’re having today. Thank you so much for making this amazing content!
Really kicking myself for getting rid of my SE/30 with Grayscale 30 card installed, but so awesome there's a replacement. I removed the associated Color 30 card when I got an Ethernet card since there wasn't a way to use them both together unlike what you're doing (and at that point my SE/30 had been relegated to server duty so didn't need a grayscale or color display). One thing I remember it did is have a virtual larger screen available.
I hate myself for trying to turn my sister's old SE/30 into a Macquarium.
I love that you approach it with such enthusiasm while never pretending for one second that any of this is practical or necessary. It's just the joy of messing around and finding out what is possible!
Holy MOLY, dude. It's absolutely mindblowing how clever some people are to cook this stuff up. Lucky for us dumb'uns!
Somewhere Bolle is probably dreaming of a PowerPC upgrade for this thing. We can only hope, anyway!
one of the funny things about the SE 30 was that it shared so much with the Macintosh IIx that some would add the x to SE. it was the ultimate SEx Machen.
Rumor has it that’s why they named it SE/30. The prudes would freak over SEx.
The only logical next step would be to hack a color CRT into one of these
The end result is such a monstrosity and I love every bit of it.
I always fantasized about greyscale on a classic Mac so I could see ImageStudio in all it's glory! This is just awesome.
My old box Mac had one and a whopping 2.5 megabytes of ram!
Doesn't Mac Doom have lo-res chunky mode like PC Doom? Where it duplicates the columns? Actually PC Doom ran in 320x200 to start with so there's even less pixels there.
Please keep the SE/40 like this, I think it would turn a lot of heads at VCF, especially considering it can run DOOM. I personally envy this machine, what with me trying to make my LC III be what this machine is.
wonder if someone could port fastdoom to mac, that build can even play doom on CGA and hercules graphics cards, i know it's optimized for 32bit intels, but i mean more the graphical modifications they've done.
Love the knitting with the purple wires… ahh doom so 50 shades of grey fps.
I found a video of Doom running on an e-ink screen and it's very close, performance wise. The contrast seems to be a little better on the e-ink, so things are easier to make out, as long as you're standing still. There is pretty bad motion blur any time you move from the slow refresh of the e-ink display. I think this might actually be slightly more playable. It certainly has a similar look to an e-ink display, it's just a lot darker which hurts the contrast ratio. But that is probably down to how the graphics card converts color to grayscale, and could be solved.
I played DOOM on my 386SX25 back in the day and I wasn't far from the smallest postage stamp size, this feels like it can use that size as well! Would totally have played it like so too!
Seen
The difference is that nowdays you can get fastdoom for systems like that - no such project exists for Mac because the mac apparently repels retro computer programmers.
Very impresive! All that work and you have a version of Doom running almost as well as the 3DO version!
Ngl, I would never have known of half of the crazy effort that these people put into things if it weren't for you. You do the chaotic geniuses of the Mac Community proud by popularising them!
You are a madman and I love it. Keep making crazy videos like this.
Everyone: frames per second
Doom: seconds per frame
Loved the video 👍
Sean, you've outdone yourself. Again. Amazing work, and super entertaining. I laughed out loud multiple times.
Nice! Next do the LCD swap. I have a SE30 with a Lapis PDS video card with the CRT swapped out for a Mitsubishi 8.4" LCD panel, built by the incredible @BillyTheKidCENTURION. It runs at 640x480, in thousands of colours, and with SCSI2SD and the 128MB of RAM enabled by the ROM-inator II, it can handle a lot more than it was designed for. With the Asante SCSI to Ethernet Adapter with Vonnets Wifi Bridge, it can wirelessly connect to the internet, albeit slowly, and with many limitations specifically related to SSL and such, but FTP works great as a quick way to move files on and off the machine. You should reach out to Billy if you're interested in more about that build. He is always a delight to chat with about all things retro mac.
As an SE/30 owner, I hope that the enthusiast forum keeps it up. I'd love to build mine out beyond the SD card conversion.
Your final week of MARCHintosh could be sure that running DOOM would be the big highlight.
If you can mod out a SE30 to that level, can you push a 2009 Mac Pro the same way ? Great stuff as always.
Yes, I maxed mine out with dual Xeon processors, 64 GB RAM, an SSD on a PCIe card as the boot disk, another SATA SSD for data storage and a relatively modern AMD Radeon RX 580 graphics card. Works great with macOS 10.14 Mojave.
Now, this was impressive. Great mods. The Cursed Mac can't take more upgrades lol. Btw nice guitar moment
I first played Doom back in the day on a 286 IBM PS/2 upgraded to 486, with a grayscale PS/2 display.
This was very nostalgic, felt much the same as my memories of Doom. (Got a 486DX2/66 soon after and it was glorious.)
woah. Didn't realize there were 486 upgrade kits for 286 PCs. Thought those were only for 386 machines
@@Michael-im5mq D-oh! That was a typo - it was a 386 upgrade.
I still have an SE/30 sitting in my garage from my days working at Apple in the late 80s. I also had a Mac II from that era that is sitting next to it. Back in the day, grayscale monitors were a thing. In fact, Apple used to sell one as a cheaper alternative to the color monitor for the Mac Pro which was very expensive and hard to get due to supply constraints of the day.
Mac Pro? I assume you meant to write a II model.
Great upgrades here... but I really lost it when you started ripping the Doom theme on guitar! Fantastic.
Always a blast to have the frankenmac make an appearance. This upgrade fits perfectly!
I was waiting to see you press F5 to toggle the graphics detail between the default, and low detail mode, but perhaps that's not a feature in Mac Doom? Might have given you a couple more FPS.
Hmmmm, I wonder if the b/w crt in this could be replaced by a small colour LCD? 🤔
It absolutely could!
The cursed one sure has become beautiful
Great scott, doom on a classic mac, i dont know why i didn't see this coming.
That's turribly awesome. First time I played DooM was on a 486DX2-66 with pc speaker audio.
1bit = Monochrome, Black and white = shades of gray (8bit typically).
Doom on an SE30, what a treat!
FPS wise, similar to what I had playing on my 486 SX33 with a very lacking Oak Technologies VGA card, interestingly, also in grayscale (color monitors were very expensive back then)😎
I used to shrink the window to about 50% then adjust the width and height to "zoom in" with the monitor controls. I think I was probably at about 12fps like this.
That's a real struggle. A friend if mine played quake1 such a way on k5-133 processor. Pain and sacrifice are the keys.
Still love that clear case. Would be cool to take all the mounting brackets and give them a shot of color to make them pop, probably just me but a plum crazy purple would look pretty sweet lol.
@Action Retro Sean, in addition to the shirt worn in the video, try and find one that says, "I ❤ Toxic Waste ☢". That was a shirt worn by Val Kilmer in the movie "Real Genius".
We need a “It chimed!” T-Shirt
If you mix Kay Koba’s Analog reborn, Kai Robinson’s SE reloaded, Mac Effects clear case and this guy’s video card you’ll have a completely new SE!
SE and SE/30 are totally different PDS i'm afraid - also, you'd have to replicate the rest of the custom chips.
As someone who grew up with a used 512 from grade school all through highschool that I still have…this is the greatest think to happen to the tech world since the gameboy.
And the sounds of the early nighties come flooding back..."return of the mac, return of the mac......"
I wonder if Ultimate Doom would have run had you chosen grayscale in the Control Panels? I know Doom is expecting colour, but I wonder if it thinks grayscale is colour?
We really need a breakdown of what all of the upgrades in this unit are and to see what the probable cost this would have been in the period if possible.
I haven’t ever seen doom run so bad, I love it
1:38 - don't forget there was also a SCSI display option!
"Play Doom in a postage stamp" at 11:43. So, exactly the same as my 386SX / 20 PC with SVGA graphics card in 1993
I've got a MacSD on order for a Color Classic with a Sonnet 040 card I just pulled out of the basement for the first time in 20 years. Unfortunately the HD spins up briefly twice and then fails. The only boot floppy I have on hand is MacTestPro but it's for PPC so, the screen glitches on Welcome to Macintosh with the 040 card installed, and reports the OS isn't compatible without it. The goal is to play some Maxis games and hopefully Myst (on a 9" format that surely very few have ever seen). I'm a little nervous about getting data onto the SD card in a usable format from a PC. Between loose files (.hqx and .sit) and images (.toast)... I suspect some hoops need to be jumped through to get them accessible from MacSD. Technically I do have a modern mac on hand but I'd rather do it from a PC.
Well I did own a SE/30 back in uni .. with the Radius pivot option. Many many years ago.
I wonder if it would be possible to drop a color CRT in a Mac SE case. Given how much the Color Classic sells for these days, it might actually be cheaper.
This reminds me a lot of when I used to play DOOM on a 386 with a paper-white monochrome monitor with a ton of burn-in. Back then, I had to make do with whatever I could get my hands on for cheap.
Ooooo someone finally cloned that greyscale board! -- Correction, reverse engineered to create their own
if this was a plot to lure us away from playing Doom on the refrigerator, am afraid it failed
Perhaps you'd be able to compile an optimized source port to run with decent frame rates and true grayscale support. Would be nifty to see for sure!
YESSSSSSS Cursed mac gets even more absurdly upgraded! MORE MORE MOOOORE.
How does Marathon run?
Time for an amber phosphor CRT!
Now you need to find a color CRT for this, and then it will truly be to World's Most Upgraded Mac SE/30.
Can those bolle upgrades only be used on an SE30? Could I stick them on a Classic or Classic II?
those curved TV display like tubed monitors almost have a lost tecnology that seemed to have like a magnifying curved lens window that makes such a illusion in our mind as we work close to the display it is bigger then it seems. with the flat LED displays we lost that curved magnifying screen. while such old tubed screens always had some curve to flat lines, it still be interesting to see how we could use such fine resolution now and put it in a small curved magnifying screen. if such is possible then the old retro Mac shape could be a come back of the balance of portability and usability.
Would it be possible to create a PCB hardware version plug-in of the coloring A.I that goes between this purple Board & screen? Seems like a feasable thing no?
Retro computing world is seriously mental. Building products for a market that doesn't exist.
It's not market then, but sheer nostalgic pleasure.
weird i thought classic compact macs screen rez was 512x384 across all the models, i’m surprised it was 512x342 after all this time.
would it run wolfenstein?
512x384 was only for the Color Classic and Color Classic II. The black-and-white machines had the 512x342 display resolution.
Amazing what's possible with the same CRT. I never quite got that. Looks great.
I love the cursed mac, but Im amazed how much better Doom runs on an amiga 1200, even with an 030 it ran about as well as the cursed mac with an 040, with an 040 I guess the amigas around a 486/33 speed for doom. Are there any other doom ports for the mac? I know theres several for the amiga and all are slightly better then each other depending on the hardware its run on.
I had 040/40 in my Amiga1200. Doom ran pretty smooth on it. I still have a 486DX4/100 and it didn't feel faster than 040/40. With Win95 and 12MB of RAM it's a quite of a snail.
Macs are weird, my ppc 200 mhz seems to run duke 3d better than a pentium 200 but wolf 3d runs well on a 386 or even a 286 but is slow on an 030 mac which is a bit like a 386 where now amigas can have the 060 which is like a pentium. But supposedly macs were better at desktop publishing, maybe because there was no games to distract them.
Video card on the cursed mac is amazing. I'm wondering how Wolfenstein performs.
You and Veronica Explains need to start a band!
When your game has a similar rating to suntan lotion, Seconds Per Frame (SPF)... :D
I'm getting some real Kowloon Walled City vibes from that clear SE/30! Nifty!
You finally found it. Good on you lol mentioned it in one of your way earlier cursed vids. Tuvix for President
Good old Doom at 2 seconds per frame.
I hate shoot em up games of all flavours, but that's a very creditable performance from such an old computer. Thanks for the demonstration. 🙂👍
that is a really nice kit. love the nod to sonnet with the purple
Does the monitor have a discharge coil? I’d have thought it wouldn’t be safe to be touching the CRT components like the neck board without discharging it first.
Now it needs the CRT to be upgraded to a color CRT.
I notice you have a new Noctua fan in your SE30. I’m gonna do the same upgrade soon. Hopefully it cools effectively.
I remember we used to use this in my high school in the late 90s . Those good days 📺
With that ethernet card, how much of the internet can you get without a modern browsers? Or are there some people still making software for this era machines?
Glad to see the 68kmla getting things done. I haven't been there in years.
What ever happened to the volume knob and amp on the cursed mac?
You should try to put a color LCD in the cursed mac if you can it would make more room etc.
You always break the fourth wall with your direct address to the camera/audience. When we know something you don't, it's called dramatic irony.
Have you thought about or could you replace the CRT with a small colored LCD?
No color CRT ever made will fit. Sony made the one that's closest, and it's a good five inches too deep to fit into this case.
@@MistahMatzah i didn't say color CRT i said color LCD
I remember "playing" DooM on my IIx back in the day - 32" screen, colour, 6 installed graphics cards and 128MB RAM - I managed to get a frame or two when I made the screen view the size of a postage stamp! It was playable on my PB5300ce - I even used the superior level editor to make quite a few levels!
You know what you have to do now: get ahold of Quake68k and see how it runs on your translucent se/30
Hey Sean (if you ever see this), where did you get that pds riser card with built in ethernet? Is that an old card or is it made today?
if you can run doom on a pregnancy test or an air fryer, you can run it on a mac classic
Damn it. I watched the entire video. I'm just as messed up as you. 😢😢😢. Really enjoyed the video.
Also wondering, will Sim City 2000 run on here then? lol Curious to see what games will run that require 256 color graphics and actually be playable.
Nuts! I never would have thought I'd see Doom on this thing.
THAT is why I got an LC-II within 2 years after my School (I was a Teacher)! I hope VCF-South is revised as I can't make it to the VCF-East show this year. Hope next year is more financially viable! 😉
What would be funny if the TNG episode Shades of Grey was written on one of these.
Would pay very handsomely to get a hold of one of Bolle's greyscale cards.
@09:40 ran about that fast on my old 386 back in the day
The CRT HV anode right next to the video card gives me anxiety, need some shielding there lol
insanely insane video :)
Please try RASCSI as graphic card with an SE/30
Has anyone swapped the crt out for a color version? Is that possible?
The Cursed Mac returns! Love that machine! I honestly couldn't have conceived of this upgrade, but now (knock on wood) I find it hard to imagine there's any further possible upgrades left for it.
I feel bad seeing old machines being ripped off by various mods, as they have historic value. But, it is as well cool to see that someone is manufacturing parts for those things!!
And if it does run doom....
I really like the transparent chassis. It’s really nice to look at!