Great video, I have two Taylor conversion cylinders for my Pietta new model Armys, and I definitely want one of these for my 1860 Army. Thank you for a great video.
Just finished up 2 Pietta 1851 conversions with Kirst cylinders in .38 long Colt and plan on another. Other than cutting the ports, both were drop in fits. In the past I’ve done several Navies, 2 Armies, 3rd Model Dragoon and a Walker. I’ve never had an issue with Kirst conversions on either Pietta or Uberti guns. I’ve used Howell conversions on two guns with no issues, but will add that older guns ( I had a Uberti 1860 from 1969) will always have fit issues.
Pietta ( and Uberti ) started forging the frames back in 2007..before that they were investment cast. That explain the difference in frames if you have a model made before 2007
Cool video, the loading gate ring on my newer 1860 Rattles, it doesn't touch the frame on both sides at the same time. The cylinder to forcing cone has a pretty good gap too. The original cylinder fit is much tighter. I haven't used it yet and think I want to send it back to Kirst. I don't think the cylinder is as long as the original. Not impressed on this one for sure. I have the .45 colt.
@@drivesideways6550 Pietta denies that they made changes to their frame. Kirst is lost to old age and poor help….. To eliminate that wobble I drill and peg the flat part of the ring to allow it to touch the frame. I’d just have to see the revolver to determine the fix first the cylinder end gap.
I see the cylinder in this video has the notches and leads that look like a normal colt. I have 2 of the 45 colt kirst conversion cylinders that the leads are cut on both sides of the notch. Never could figure out why he did that.
Walt Kirst explained that to me as his “fix”….. He pushed the dimensions to increase safety and then the 45 caliber cylinders (but not these 38 cylinders) would not “drop in” and work as the bolts were too high. This “fix” was supposedly to allow them to drop in but they don’t. I tried to get him to make changes as they don’t look correct but he didn’t care.
@@SayMyNameOutLoud that sucks I am considering tight welding the lead that is not needed and then cleaning up the notches. Both of my 45 colt converters work but ot just looks terrible.
Do you have a video on how you actually cut the loading channel? I have an Uberti colt 1861 navy I want to make a conversion. If I had the funds right now I would send it to you. I haven't bought the kirst conversion cylinder yet
I jus bought a kirst cylinder for my 2nd model dragoon and I ordered a dremel not really experienced but hopefully I can get it done without taking it to a gunsmith
facebook.com/cartridgeconversion/ That s the best place to see my recent work, of course you can scroll for years and see a multitude of conversions. The contact info is under the “About” tab. Also: www.cartridgeconversion.com
Have an 1860 uberti that has some vertical looseness in the barrel. Smart money is the cylinder pin "arbor" is too short. I have a new cylinder pin kit coming, but I have no clue how to get that sucker off.
Any advice for if after doing the conversion and you cock the gun it is literally a hair shy of being fully cocked. Which if you pull the trigger on a live round can be problematic. That said, if you really rock the hammer back when you cock it, it goes all the way and you are fine. I have seen other people mention the same issue and I believe Kurst came out with something to fix the issue. But I need to make sure before I say definite. IDK, anyone else have that issue or advice on how to fix it without buying product after product from Kurst ?
I’m guessing you are talking about a 5 shot 45 cylinder. If you do the math your stock cylinder has 6 holes in 360 degrees which makes them 60 degrees apart. The 5 shot would be 72 degrees apart. That means you have to move the cylinder 20% farther with the hand when you cock the gun. Typically the hammer will not come that far back so we always “stretched” the hand to make it longer. The Kirst 2 stage hand is an easy fix for this and the latest Pietta revolvers have MIM hands that break when you try and stretch them so the 2 stage hand is the only real fix short of welding and reshaping.
Registerable? I guess the ATF would like them all to be but currently, by Federal law only Class 1 and Class 3 have to be registered before you can own them.
@@SayMyNameOutLoud I am talking about state law and prohibited person can only have a single shot muzzle loader and not the revolver because it's easily converted.
There are 50 states, all with varying interpretations of Federal law. I’m sorry but it’s odd that you would think anyone on the internet would know where you live or that anyone in another state would know your state’s laws. This just isn’t the place for that but your state’s DOJ will probably just interpret for their own purposes so your best bet would be a firearms attorney in your home state. Federally it is legal.
We appreciate you sharing this with us and your knowledge and experience Sir 🤠 we been looking to get a kit like this for a Pietta 44 to take 22s, if you don't mind me asking, as we looking for best prices, where can we find "affordable" kits like this (Be 45 lc, or R&D's b fine too) as we are newbies to BP and live in Los Angeles CA and showing basics to my two boys and daughter (7-8&14yr olds) as if we don't teach'em safety, then they will pick it up elsewhere maybe in a school ground kids that spend they time playing GTA or fortnite and now-it-alls of that caliber children, lol... Thank you again Sir, God bless and GodSpeed! 👍💯🤠
@@buckoff4162 oh yeah! We actually on backorder notice with them but they seem to be out of stock on pretty much everything and Lee explained over the phone to us how shipments have been suffering and blamed it all on Biden, in which I concurred with him on cause everything is screwed up and BudK and others won't even ship to a BB gun to CA where we at only items to plugging ppl to death or chop ppl up with... SMH! Thank you Sir for your reply and sharing God bless and GodSpeed!... 💯🤠
Great video, I have two Taylor conversion cylinders for my Pietta new model Armys, and I definitely want one of these for my 1860 Army. Thank you for a great video.
Just finished up 2 Pietta 1851 conversions with Kirst cylinders in .38 long Colt and plan on another. Other than cutting the ports, both were drop in fits. In the past I’ve done several Navies, 2 Armies, 3rd Model Dragoon and a Walker. I’ve never had an issue with Kirst conversions on either Pietta or Uberti guns. I’ve used Howell conversions on two guns with no issues, but will add that older guns ( I had a Uberti 1860 from 1969) will always have fit issues.
Nice arming bro. The machine work is cool too.
Pietta ( and Uberti ) started forging the frames back in 2007..before that they were investment cast. That explain the difference in frames if you have a model made before 2007
You are thinking of Uberti and their “1858”
@@buckoff4162
What is the name of your buisness?
How do I find it?
Cool video, the loading gate ring on my newer 1860 Rattles, it doesn't touch the frame on both sides at the same time. The cylinder to forcing cone has a pretty good gap too.
The original cylinder fit is much tighter. I haven't used it yet and think I want to send it back to Kirst. I don't think the cylinder is as long as the original. Not impressed on this one for sure.
I have the .45 colt.
@@drivesideways6550 Pietta denies that they made changes to their frame. Kirst is lost to old age and poor help…..
To eliminate that wobble I drill and peg the flat part of the ring to allow it to touch the frame. I’d just have to see the revolver to determine the fix first the cylinder end gap.
Really good informative video...thank you!
I’ve been wanting to build a 32 LC conversion . Use a 45lc as a start . Sleeve the cylinder and barrel.
32-20 would be awesome. There's an article on someone who purchased an original rem 1858 that was converted by an unknown gunsmith to fire 32-20
Great stuff sir!
I like your style. 😎
I see the cylinder in this video has the notches and leads that look like a normal colt. I have 2 of the 45 colt kirst conversion cylinders that the leads are cut on both sides of the notch. Never could figure out why he did that.
Walt Kirst explained that to me as his “fix”…..
He pushed the dimensions to increase safety and then the 45 caliber cylinders (but not these 38 cylinders) would not “drop in” and work as the bolts were too high. This “fix” was supposedly to allow them to drop in but they don’t. I tried to get him to make changes as they don’t look correct but he didn’t care.
@@SayMyNameOutLoud that sucks I am considering tight welding the lead that is not needed and then cleaning up the notches. Both of my 45 colt converters work but ot just looks terrible.
Nice one Gary.
Do you have a video on how you actually cut the loading channel? I have an Uberti colt 1861 navy I want to make a conversion. If I had the funds right now I would send it to you. I haven't bought the kirst conversion cylinder yet
They are cut in a Bridgeport Mill in a special holding fixture I made.
I jus bought a kirst cylinder for my 2nd model dragoon and I ordered a dremel not really experienced but hopefully I can get it done without taking it to a gunsmith
I've thought about doing this for a 51 navy though I'll probably wait till after the holidays.
When you’re ready: facebook.com/cartridgeconversion/
Hello, Sir! Facebook link is not working, needs refresher ))
Hello Sir. Do you have a store front where we can send the items to you for completion? Liked your attention to detail!
facebook.com/cartridgeconversion/
That s the best place to see my recent work, of course you can scroll for years and see a multitude of conversions. The contact info is under the “About” tab.
Also:
www.cartridgeconversion.com
@buckoff4162 hi I'm interested in you work and having a 1851 converted. I don't have Facebook. How to get a hold of you??
How does one obtain your services, do you have a website?
I need some smithing how much does the install cost
Helpful notes. I didn’t quite botch an installation but it could’ve been more flush.
Wonder what customer that might be. Good presentation.
Have an 1860 uberti that has some vertical looseness in the barrel. Smart money is the cylinder pin "arbor" is too short. I have a new cylinder pin kit coming, but I have no clue how to get that sucker off.
How do we contact you for the conversion?
I have a pair of Pietta 1860 Army. Do you do a conversion for them. I shoot SASS cowboy.
Any advice for if after doing the conversion and you cock the gun it is literally a hair shy of being fully cocked. Which if you pull the trigger on a live round can be problematic. That said, if you really rock the hammer back when you cock it, it goes all the way and you are fine. I have seen other people mention the same issue and I believe Kurst came out with something to fix the issue. But I need to make sure before I say definite. IDK, anyone else have that issue or advice on how to fix it without buying product after product from Kurst ?
I’m guessing you are talking about a 5 shot 45 cylinder. If you do the math your stock cylinder has 6 holes in 360 degrees which makes them 60 degrees apart. The 5 shot would be 72 degrees apart. That means you have to move the cylinder 20% farther with the hand when you cock the gun. Typically the hammer will not come that far back so we always “stretched” the hand to make it longer. The Kirst 2 stage hand is an easy fix for this and the latest Pietta revolvers have MIM hands that break when you try and stretch them so the 2 stage hand is the only real fix short of welding and reshaping.
Does this make it a registerable firearm I know black powder is not.
Registerable? I guess the ATF would like them all to be but currently, by Federal law only Class 1 and Class 3 have to be registered before you can own them.
@@SayMyNameOutLoud I am talking about state law and prohibited person can only have a single shot muzzle loader and not the revolver because it's easily converted.
There are 50 states, all with varying interpretations of Federal law. I’m sorry but it’s odd that you would think anyone on the internet would know where you live or that anyone in another state would know your state’s laws. This just isn’t the place for that but your state’s DOJ will probably just interpret for their own purposes so your best bet would be a firearms attorney in your home state. Federally it is legal.
$125 for all of that work is a steal. I have a Walker and a stainless steel 1858 Army I'd like to have done.
www.cartridgeconversion.com
How could I get you to do that work for me ?
I have an older stainless .44 new model Army, from Italy marked "Armi San Paolo - Brescia - Italy"
I would be interested in a conversion if available.
Shoot me an email: buckaroobarnes@yahoo.com
How much to do a conversion like that on a Pietta 1860 army ?
Clinton it’s probably best to not state that here but feel free to email for a quote:
buckaroobarnes@yahoo.com
How does a person get in contact with you
How do I get in touch with you about getting this done?
www.cartridgeconversion.com
how do I use your services?
@@smhs1262 shoot me a detailed email, I’d love to help! buckaroobarnes@yahoo.com
We appreciate you sharing this with us and your knowledge and experience Sir 🤠 we been looking to get a kit like this for a Pietta 44 to take 22s, if you don't mind me asking, as we looking for best prices, where can we find "affordable" kits like this (Be 45 lc, or R&D's b fine too) as we are newbies to BP and live in Los Angeles CA and showing basics to my two boys and daughter (7-8&14yr olds) as if we don't teach'em safety, then they will pick it up elsewhere maybe in a school ground kids that spend they time playing GTA or fortnite and now-it-alls of that caliber children, lol... Thank you again Sir, God bless and GodSpeed! 👍💯🤠
Oldsouthfirearms seems to have the best prices
@@buckoff4162 oh yeah! We actually on backorder notice with them but they seem to be out of stock on pretty much everything and Lee explained over the phone to us how shipments have been suffering and blamed it all on Biden, in which I concurred with him on cause everything is screwed up and BudK and others won't even ship to a BB gun to CA where we at only items to plugging ppl to death or chop ppl up with... SMH! Thank you Sir for your reply and sharing God bless and GodSpeed!... 💯🤠
Hello, Sir! Facebook link is not working, needs refresher ))
they shadow banned that page try:
facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075929516331
Do you do the Remington 1858?
One or two a week! Email me for a quote: buckaroobarnes@yahoo.com
I bought one and never fit right , total trash will never buy another, going back to Howells conversions