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Cartridge Conversion Revolvers Pt. 1--The 1858 Remington Conversion
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- In this 2 part video we talk about cartridge conversion revolvers and their place in firearms history. Pt. 1 will primarily feature the Remington 1858 New Army revolver and the Taylors and Co. Cartridge Conversion. In Pt. 2 we will check out the Colt conversions for the 1851 Navy and the 1860 Army.
Shades of Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider, an early example of speedloaders.
I always wonder if people really did that to any degree, or if it was just a movie thing.
@@triplefshooting 11BangBang channel insists it was most likely a movie thing. Few people, if any, in their research went out and bought extra cylinders. Cheaper to just take the conversion cylinder out, reload it by itself and put it back in.
Still it is a cool idea.
Nice set you got there
@@triplefshooting I read an article or watched a documentary...it's been so long I don't remember, but they were showing NMA's and how they had the wrong cylinder's although the army guns would have had matching numbers on the cylinder the soldiers were still mixing them up supposedly in the heat of battle. That tells me that they were indeed using loaded cylinders in that way and also the cartridge conversions of this model used cylinders that dropped out to load/unload/reload. Who knows for certain what was actually done without proper documentation though, but the cylinders drop in and out so quickly and smoothly it would be a wasteful feature otherwise and it gave access to the cylinder pin for immediate maintenance between every cylinder full as well. I use both types, but I usually prefer the slower conversion and generally modify the frame for loading port and rod.
@@hercules1073 very cool info! Also brings up the idea of cylinders being switched up during cleanings. If I remember right cleaning was often done with small groups of soldiers. I'm guessing it would be easy to mix them up if the soldiers weren't terribly worried about it
@@triplefshooting I seem to remember reading about the cleaning methods as well so yeah that's another reason for it happening, but there were less Remington's in the war than Colt's and the Remington's have been found with mismatched cylinders more than Colt's...hmmm something else to think about there too as I know I've read on more than a few occasions that they loved the ease of barrel removal for cleaning the Colt, yet they kept up with the correct cylinders for them more often. I hadn't really thought about that before. I really wish there were better documentation on this stuff and I guarantee you that there is...somewhere in someone's basement or attic etc. there are likely surviving letters and even diaries from the civil war where they mentioned their daily activities in great detail down to the cleaning of the weaponry in process detail.
I bought the drop in conversions when they were first introduced and loved them. They changed the design later on and I no longer have those early ones, but they were better IMO. I now use both Kirst and Howell's cylinders in both configurations, but went back strictly to the 5 shot versions of either. I converted an 8" barrel with loading gate and ejector a while ago and I'm finishing up a 5.5" barrel version now and then I'm contemplating doing a 12" barrel this week. I don't know what the appeal of these conversions are, but I have been fascinated with them since the 70's although I do have factory cartridge guns (Schofield, Colt's & Remington's) in 45 S&W and 45 Colt they just don't have the same appeal! handling qualities? that's another story! except for the 51' Colt, but I prefer the NMA's for conversion for obvious reasons and probably overall the Colt's for cap and ball configuration. I've used all manner of loads consisting of any suitable powders some of which are long gone from the scene in these conversions as an old seasoned handloader and nothing is as fun a case full of blackpowder! I really wish they'd start replicating the double action Remington's in my lifetime and conversion cylinders would be offered for them. Those would be so awesome since they look like an NMA except of course for the DA trigger.
There is definitely something special about the conversion revolvers. They are my favorite aesthetically by far. For me the draw has always been the sort of "stop-gap" engineering that brought them about. It allows them to look like the beautiful cap and ball revolvers with the advantages of using more modern ammunition. Definitely scratches a serious historical itch for me. As for the double action, I really wish that the replica companies would get into it. A clone of a DA Colt lightening would be awesome. I'm guessing they don't simply due to the fragile nature of those guns at the time. I wonder if they could use any new production methods to solve some of those problems.
Good video, thank you. I have a cartridge conversion cylinder for my Pietta new model Army and I really love it, I also load my own 45 Colt black powder cartridges.
I believe I watched your video on it! Good on you for doing it right with the BP!
“Intense concentration”. LOL! Contrast that was Clint Eastwood looking around and walking while doing it in Pale Rider. I handled one of those about 20 years ago at Collectors Firearms in Houston. It does take a lot of concentration getting the conversion cylinder in and out
I think I would take a vacation just to go to Collector's Firearms...I would probably need a mop for all my drool though.
@@triplefshooting their new location at Westheimer & Voss is even bigger. I think it used to be s Barnes & Noble.
@@classicgunstoday1972 glad they're doing good enough to open another store! Man I'd love to see it.
I cut my teeth on shooting as a boy with percussion muzzle loaders both cap and ball revolvers and muzzle loader Hawken half stock rifles and kentucky full stock long rifles but especially the Uberti 1851 and 1860 colt style repros and the 1858 Remington style repros in both army .44 and navy .36 calibers. It is so tedious to load and clean. This past summer though at 40 years of age I finally got me an Uberti 1858 new model army .44 caliber revolver and a Howell fluted .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder and a couple of boxes of HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy loads and I’ve taken it out shooting a couple of times and I made a video of my first shots and posted it on my channel and it’s such an improvement! I know exactly how the guys in the late 1860s felt! Even more so with the easier clean up using smokeless powder cowboy loads
When I first purchased my cap and ball revolvers I was terribly excited to shoot them all the time. After the first couple times I slowed down considerably due to the cleaning process!
Can’t wait for the video on the colt
Hopefully ready by Friday!
Amazing video! I have one of the reproduction cap and ball new model army's, been really wanting the cartridge conversation model but I have a big question about them that nobody seems to answer. When I reload my cap and ball, if I have a spare cylinder so I can quite easily just drop the ram rod and swap them out and be ready to fire in a matter of like 10 seconds. Can you, and if you can, how hard is it to change out the cylinder in the conversation models.
The conversion revolver cylinder can be removed in the same fashion as the cap and ball. The design is still using the same cylinder pin trapped by the loading lever. I've never seen a spare cartridge cylinder for sale to drop in though. So as far as I know, it hasn't been done.
Plus having extra cylinders for the revolver was what was used
It would be really interesting to see how many spare cylinders were kept around then. Especially for civil war combat used
Спасибо за познавательное!
You're welcome
Muito lindas.
Tried to buy a stainless 5.5" sheriff's model from EMF after the plague started, had it paid for for 2 years. And finally called for a refund due to out of stock. I still have an extra stainless BP cylinder, a stainless .45 LC 6 shot and a now a hard to find stainless 5 shot .45ACP... If anyone wants them, let me know. Still want one for around the property, but the 1860's and 1847's will take care of the occasional snake in the grass.
Sorry to hear you had to wait so long. That 45acp cylinder would be interesting. What sort of loads do you use for that? Standard 230 grn or something lighter load?
Just curious if your cartridge model has a gap between the top strap and the breech plate insert. Mine has a very small gap, maybe a few millimeters at most, I bought it used so I wasn’t sure if that’s how it came from the factory or if it’s a result of shooting too hot of rounds
Mine does have a small gap. It's only seen a couple hundred cowboy loads. So I imagine yours is in ok shape
Can the cartridge verson of the 1858 take the kerst spring loaded shell ejector? Im looking at that upgrade
That is something I've never looked into. Sorry, I don't have the info, but I would be very interested in finding out if you go that direction.
In all honesty, the cumbersome reload is one of the things that made me want the 1858 conversion. I feel like it's closer to what someone may have done back then, even though there were quite a few ways to skin that cat.
DuPont calls it Gunpowder.
Music instead of explanation of how cap & ball works!?
I can't help but be useless most of the time lol.
Where does one purchase , the cartridge version of the 1858 new model army
Unfortunately they can be hard to get at times. If your local store can order one for you it may take some time. Otherwise try Taylor's and CO Firearms website or Gunbroker. Be aware that prices on Gunbroker can vary wildly, so it's always best to try to find a few different listing before grabbing one.
How much y'all Want for that 1858 remington?
What kind of cylinder gap is on that cartridge remington ? Are there barrel threads exposed between the frame and cylinder.
Question about the authentic factory conversion:
I noticed there's no loading gate to open/close. What were the chances of your bullets slipping from the back?
I believe that the timing of the revolver kept the rounds from aligning with the loading area. As long as the rounds were not between locked positions you were good. I suppose cocking the revolver while holding it straight up could've allowed a round to fall free, but I'm not sure
@@triplefshooting Thx for the answer.
Perhaps the loading gate was patented or something like that? I don't see any other reason for them to leave the conversion with such an obvious flaw.
Can you still take out the cylinder with the Remington ejector rod conversion?
You can indeed. The loading gate is part of the frame on the model shown though.
i just have 8 extra cylinder's and reloading is FAST
That's a lot of cylinders!
All 8 are original Ball and cap. You can change cylinder's fast with the Pietta 1858 Remington@@triplefshooting
Tbhose holes are "bored through CHAMBERS" not cylinders !!!
Now if that conversion to the cartridge is black-powder where's the smoke from the black powder I don't see any and don't tell me there was there wasn't any on that black powder always has smoke only smokeless runs that way so you must be using smokeless in that conversion
This conversion comes new from the factory in this configuration. It's able to take smokeless rounds where a traditional BP cylinder conversion may not be able to