At the rate its going, VDH will still be a very strong tank, but prot pally will probably balance out with it more. Monk and DK will be popular in lower content up to 10s. Prot Warrior and Bear are meh.
Didn't test tww yet, but keys untill 12, 13 can be done with any tank without difficult. Actually i do key's 14 with my Bear, and elune's choosen looks great for M+ in tww. Paladins sounds good for next season too, but i think that DK will be the new meta if nothing change.
@@dgcavalheri DK has not changed insofar as their position relative to other tanks. They are absolute monsters in any content where the damage being done to them is healable through DS, and crumple the moment you go above that. The new tank melee affixes are going to punish them hard. DKs will be amazing if you are never striving for a high M+ level and only shooting for low-mid range keys. Same as they have been for a long time. The only time they exceeded that is when they could basically make DRW be up "all the time", negating their biggest weakness. They look great for TWW, but their issues have not changed and a few extra talent points (that while good and look fun), is not changing that.
I agree double sigils needed to go, should never have happened in the first place. VDH may need more tuning in wake of this. They should revert the cd of Silence back to 60s now that it is no longer doubled. Cycle of Binding could go back to 3s cd reduction. And we may need dps tuning with loss of 2nd Elysian Decree charge. Hopefully Blizz is thinking about such things.
Nothing stopped you to play other tanks but yourself 😅 if you truly liked something else, why not play it? I personnaly think they killed a really amazing spec.
i play vdh, im not mad at all about the sigil nerf, its good that they did that rather than give ever other tank more cc, having aoe ccs and stun, is already a lot, its just not a lot if the content demands 8 stops in a row on a pack. and hopefully this sets the tone for a bit less of that stuff.
I completly disagree. Id rather have other tanks have better control and utility than kill everything i liked about vengeance. Now it feel as boring as ever, packs wont be as satosfying to pull together anymore and i'll probably be forced to play Blood. I ado agree for a nerf, but they went way too far. They should have removed the fear and maybe reduce silence dueation but they simply deleted double sigil talent.
@@guillaumelabonte2702 hm, i dont think i agree, i get that it feels about half as powerfull controlwise, but i promise u that if they reduce the amount of casts, it wont matter much. it only feels this god because unless coordination of perfect it is impossible to do certain pulls without a vdh. if u had pulls with fewer deadly casts, it would feel more or less the same, i think the gameplay of timing stops to stop as many casts as possible is silly af. i like the self sustain aspect of the spec more, throttling it so u can heal yourself through damage, none of that has anything to do with double sigils. and you will never get a toolkit as good as double sigils for aoe mob cc, without pushing the game in a very bad direction. i bet u a lot of imaginary stacks of dollars that 3 months into the expansion u will relize u were kind of wrong and dh will still be better than blood, even with 1 sigil.
Great content! As a BDK main i somewhat worry for being "meta" tank again. Always tried to play the non meta tanks and being told "you just play it cuz meta" is gonna suck again. Blizz please nerf bdk a bit so we are not head and shoulders anove all other tanks haha.
It's funny, because BDK traditionally is off-meta in M+, but is the most meta tank of all time in raid, and has been for all of Dragonflight, and by all appearances, they will be in TWW. And now they'll be great in M+, too!
They need to make other tanks more powerful and not nerf the only tank that was fun to play. You already sit in queue for hours waiting for tanks and healers. Making them less fun to play is not going to help this. Power = fun. It is not fun to try and pull with a different tank and get smoked, or have a bunch of casters free cast and kill the group and mobs spread all over the place. It is fun to pull big and be sturdy, control the mobs, control the casts and spearhead the group.
@@martinmp19 because i was really in love with the double sigil utility playstyle! i wouldnt quit a spec because its not meta anymore, im just so gutted to see my favourite thing about modern vdh gone
Yeah, i feel the same but thats if i even buy the expac cause i want to tank and other specs will never feel the way vengeance did.. that nerf is nasty af. I think removing the fear sigils would have been enough of a nerf instead.
Why are you being so weird and entitiled. The video is on the beta changes with the most notable change (the vdh nerf) as the title name. It's really not hard to use your brain before rushing to the comments to say gotcha to the creator. Weird af behavior making a mountain out of a mole hill
From what I've heard it's incredibly harder to buff all others up then to nerf one. Only because the buffing causes too many more variables and OP issues. Balance gets impossible. But nerfs always suck for sure.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 I crack 3k the first week of every season, and have to wait for dogwater players to gear up because they don't have the skill to push with me. He's 100% correct. Other tanks needs to be tuned up, not to nerf the only tank with any semblance of control.
![The State of Tanks in Week 1 [TWW S1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ssaBq9NhEJo/mqdefault.jpg)
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![Vengeance Demon Hunter Guide [Patch 10.2.5] - Best Tank Ever?](/img/n.gif)
Sounds like the time for Blood to be top tier baby.
Yeah, finally!
Blood was always top tier, now any noob in the world can play one by rolling their face on the keyboard lol
@@alexistaylor969 I meant for pushing keys, not pugging to just get your myth track gear for the vault.
We might see the rio score inflation start to decrease now that 1 good player cant carry shitters to near title level scores.
TRUE
DH is still playable and a good tank, but now others tank have their place.
That's right!
At the rate its going, VDH will still be a very strong tank, but prot pally will probably balance out with it more. Monk and DK will be popular in lower content up to 10s. Prot Warrior and Bear are meh.
Didn't test tww yet, but keys untill 12, 13 can be done with any tank without difficult. Actually i do key's 14 with my Bear, and elune's choosen looks great for M+ in tww. Paladins sounds good for next season too, but i think that DK will be the new meta if nothing change.
@@dgcavalheri DK has not changed insofar as their position relative to other tanks. They are absolute monsters in any content where the damage being done to them is healable through DS, and crumple the moment you go above that. The new tank melee affixes are going to punish them hard. DKs will be amazing if you are never striving for a high M+ level and only shooting for low-mid range keys.
Same as they have been for a long time. The only time they exceeded that is when they could basically make DRW be up "all the time", negating their biggest weakness.
They look great for TWW, but their issues have not changed and a few extra talent points (that while good and look fun), is not changing that.
May need more tuning passes, but this was step in right direction.
I agree double sigils needed to go, should never have happened in the first place. VDH may need more tuning in wake of this. They should revert the cd of Silence back to 60s now that it is no longer doubled. Cycle of Binding could go back to 3s cd reduction. And we may need dps tuning with loss of 2nd Elysian Decree charge. Hopefully Blizz is thinking about such things.
Indeed
I HAVE BEEN FREED!!!
(I love VDH lol, but its nice to be free to play other tanks for M+ lol)
Be free, friend!
Nothing stopped you to play other tanks but yourself 😅 if you truly liked something else, why not play it? I personnaly think they killed a really amazing spec.
And it took only 6 months yay! Blood will be the way.
Looking that way!
Gotta be interesting if the dps are gonna start interrupting now.
Had a dungeon yesterday where our bm hunter did 0 and our mage did 4
Interesting and lethal!
i play vdh, im not mad at all about the sigil nerf, its good that they did that rather than give ever other tank more cc, having aoe ccs and stun, is already a lot, its just not a lot if the content demands 8 stops in a row on a pack. and hopefully this sets the tone for a bit less of that stuff.
Absolutely!
True
I completly disagree. Id rather have other tanks have better control and utility than kill everything i liked about vengeance. Now it feel as boring as ever, packs wont be as satosfying to pull together anymore and i'll probably be forced to play Blood.
I ado agree for a nerf, but they went way too far. They should have removed the fear and maybe reduce silence dueation but they simply deleted double sigil talent.
@@guillaumelabonte2702 hm, i dont think i agree, i get that it feels about half as powerfull controlwise, but i promise u that if they reduce the amount of casts, it wont matter much. it only feels this god because unless coordination of perfect it is impossible to do certain pulls without a vdh. if u had pulls with fewer deadly casts, it would feel more or less the same, i think the gameplay of timing stops to stop as many casts as possible is silly af. i like the self sustain aspect of the spec more, throttling it so u can heal yourself through damage, none of that has anything to do with double sigils. and you will never get a toolkit as good as double sigils for aoe mob cc, without pushing the game in a very bad direction. i bet u a lot of imaginary stacks of dollars that 3 months into the expansion u will relize u were kind of wrong and dh will still be better than blood, even with 1 sigil.
Great content! As a BDK main i somewhat worry for being "meta" tank again. Always tried to play the non meta tanks and being told "you just play it cuz meta" is gonna suck again. Blizz please nerf bdk a bit so we are not head and shoulders anove all other tanks haha.
It's funny, because BDK traditionally is off-meta in M+, but is the most meta tank of all time in raid, and has been for all of Dragonflight, and by all appearances, they will be in TWW.
And now they'll be great in M+, too!
True and I agree with what you said. I just have a personal "resistance" to play anything that seems FOTM. Oh well, swings and roundabouts right 😄
Now for bear to get touched and actually updated for TWW at all?
Keep hoping!
Cool, now keys will be harder.
Maybe
They need to make other tanks more powerful and not nerf the only tank that was fun to play. You already sit in queue for hours waiting for tanks and healers. Making them less fun to play is not going to help this. Power = fun. It is not fun to try and pull with a different tank and get smoked, or have a bunch of casters free cast and kill the group and mobs spread all over the place. It is fun to pull big and be sturdy, control the mobs, control the casts and spearhead the group.
No
@@WoWatNight objectively... Yes. Power is fun
Starting to feel like us Prot Warriors have been forgotten by blizzard. ):
lol what.. prot is soo good.. thunderking prot smash babyyyy
Who?
@@zaan364 This is cap. Prot has great survivability, but lacks the utility for big pulls. Source: 3k Prot War since S1 of DF.
lol got us with "who?"
Ok, BDK meta.
Yay!
guess im not playing my main this expansion
Good news: TWW is supposed to be the most alt-friendly expansion ever!
@@WoWatNight that IS good news. i guess there's always brewmaster
What is your main, vdh? Why would you quit your main because its going from absurdly overpowered to good?
@@martinmp19 because i was really in love with the double sigil utility playstyle! i wouldnt quit a spec because its not meta anymore, im just so gutted to see my favourite thing about modern vdh gone
Yeah, i feel the same but thats if i even buy the expac cause i want to tank and other specs will never feel the way vengeance did.. that nerf is nasty af. I think removing the fear sigils would have been enough of a nerf instead.
VDH nerf in the thumbnail on a video that is actually a deep dive into Blood DK. A boring spec that almost no one plays. Hmmm
Yeah, definitely not the most popular raid tank of all time. 100% true.
Why are you being so weird and entitiled. The video is on the beta changes with the most notable change (the vdh nerf) as the title name. It's really not hard to use your brain before rushing to the comments to say gotcha to the creator. Weird af behavior making a mountain out of a mole hill
Didn’t need a nerf, other tanks needed to be brought up. Tanks should be extremely powerful, imo. To make up for the babysitting we gotta do in M+ lol
Yup. Blizzard is dumb
Dumb take
From what I've heard it's incredibly harder to buff all others up then to nerf one. Only because the buffing causes too many more variables and OP issues. Balance gets impossible. But nerfs always suck for sure.
this is stupid ofc needed a nerf.. they control every pack solo thats not right on any lvl.. they had toooo much control
Ofc needed a nerf dont be stupid
I welcome the nerf
Yup!
Is this really a VDH video? More than half of it is DK stuff IDC
No, it's not a vdh video it's a video on the recent beta changes with the most notable and anticipated change as the title
No.
I guess the "click bait" is working then
Well that's a relief
finally? instead of tuning other class the broke, sorry dislike title
exactly..such stupid take
How would you tune those other tanks to do that?
You fine, not everyone is really good or decent at this game, we have a lot like you, dont worry.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 I crack 3k the first week of every season, and have to wait for dogwater players to gear up because they don't have the skill to push with me. He's 100% correct. Other tanks needs to be tuned up, not to nerf the only tank with any semblance of control.
Nah