Jalon is a great listener. I always notice how he intentionally listens to whoever is speaking so that he can thoughtfully add his input. It’s def. inspired me to tap in more when others are speaking and truly listen. A lost art these days for sure. You gentlemen are doing amazing things. Thank you for adding quality to the podcast landscape 🙏🏽.
Props to Jalon and Duke for getting to the point of the conversation! Shoutout to Duke for critical thinking and breaking down his thought process, conversation like this helps us break barriers
You said the quiet part out loud. 🤦🏽♀️ Exotic. That's what you meant. If you look around your friend group and all the men look one way and all the women look another, be honest with YOURSELF and call it what it is. Colorism. Featurism. A form of self hate.
There are groups of Black men who are good friends, but the women they hang around are all light/ non Black. Big groups. No one is darker than a brown paper bag.
An important part of this conversation is the fact that the passport bros are going to these countries and taking advantage of poor women. They’re looking for women who will do anything to take care of their families, and promising them a life in America if they do whatever he wants. They don’t want partners to lead, they want women to control.
Even though there is truth to that, not everyone is going overseas for that purpose. The main reason men are going overseas is because women overseas for the most part are not entitled, they are respectful and are traditional. Too many women in the U.S. have become insufferable to deal with for many reasons. Im not sayings its all, but the same frame of thought is spreading like a cancer@NiceAndNeatThePodcast
There’s an element of the passport bros that wants to make the American woman regret how they treated them. It’s almost like it doesn’t mean as much if I can’t throw it in your face.
Exploit women in countries where your dollar can buy whatever thing that would be BEYOND ILLEGAL in the US and Western Europe. Yay! Modern oppression and slavery !
I liked the part where he said when WM are passport bros, it’s “I can’t stand *American Women* “ When BM are passport bros, it’s “I can’t stand *Black Women* “
Can passport bros recommend foreign women? Because if you recommend a restaurant would that be consider bad? If I said women from the south better than women from the north; is that bad from my perspective?
It’s belittling when someone says “black women don’t equate to …”. This is what we hear as black women. Your choice is your choice. We don’t care about that. But don’t say your choice is because we aren’t enough… THAT was the meaning of my comment.
@@latoyamclean8310what about in the first part of the video when he spoke about men being belittled? No one cares about that 😂. Just skip that part huh? If you not Chad or Tyrone pookie and Ray Ray. 200k in your bank account and 6ft tall you ain’t getting nothing as a blk man.
@@3-dreticle826 Let’s be clear.. Belittling on any level is not acceptable. Period. I was speaking from the female perspective which birthed the comment. Women deal with men differently than men deal with men. We see and experience things you all don’t. And vice versa.
“Optically” black men are the most desired men. Unfortunately women with good values want more than optics. That’s where the most “desirable” status fails. Sexual discipline, financial resources, spiritual integrity and self actualization, etc… downhill from there.
We’re not the most desirable. The reason why woman say we’re desirable is because of sex and the fetishization of us of Black men in media and the internet. When it comes to marriage and building families and wealth the most desirable is going to be a white man.
Most of my non black friends don’t find black men attractive. When they say tall dark and handsome they want someone who is Italian with dark black curly hair.
Jalon really bridged the gap. I appreciate the perspective. Most of us are conforming to societal norms not understanding that when we tune into our authenticity we attract the dating experience we desire. We don’t have to physically leave for it…but we do need to stand unapologetically in the truth of who we are vs blending in
I love how they have healthy debates. I understood every view point given in this video. But I give Jalon super big ups for taking the time to explain to the fellas, what a lot of women may feel about passport bros and why. This was the first conversation around passport bros that didn’t result in an argument, and was easy to digest and listen to.
I appreciate the conversation. However, as an educated Colombian woman living in Colombia, some of the ideas felt derogatory towards me. The statement 'choose your country wisely while looking for a wife' seems to put Colombian women down to support the narrative of “be a passport bro for the right reasons”, which is exactly what Jalon was trying to explain.
@@Gembaby0115 🤔Interesting. However, shouldn't men choose the country AND the women "wisely" anyway??? Some countries are not welcoming or respectful towards black Americans! (Unless you're a celebrity) And some of the women in poorer countries just looking for a come-up, citizenship and/or are hookers!!!
I agree with all of these brothers points. To expound on that, I think Black people as a whole need to be kinder to each other online. I’ve only heard black people talk bad about each other’s short comings. Height, Money & Status for men, Beauty & Purity for women. Something’s you can control something’s you can not. Either way we shouldn’t be bashing each other. It creates a wedge.
I normally don’t comment on UA-cam videos but thank you Jalon to call out the disrespect. Also, “exotic” is the main reasoning why some of black men want to find someone who looks appealing to them. It’s a self hate mechanism. Colorism and featurism is a huge problem globally but especially in our own race. Brown & Darker skinned women aren’t view as beautiful like our lighter skinned sisters. Natural hair isn’t as love unless it looks a certain type of way and etc… I could go down the list. It’s self hate and we need to talk about it. All black is beautiful no matter the shades, hair texture, facial feature, body and etc.
@samaria3662 We just like feminine women. we like beautiful and pretty women, if that girl is attractive her color DOES NOT MATTER like yall want to make up excuses when have yall heard men say "yeah we dont like dark women" its dumb if she look good she look good, if she doesn't then its because she's not attractive as yall make her out to be and that's the issue. Yall can lie to these women and tell them they QUEENS and they BEAUTIFUL IN YO SKIN but thats not what men say those are what other women say to gas them up then when we be honest yall get mad and call it "colorism"? maybe stop calling everyone queens and beautiful and actually have realistic standards and yall will see change
@@ItsMarionotluigi There are plenty of feminine women out here go find one, no one is making up excuses when there are men out here who does say they don’t like a certain women cause she dark skinned or whatever. That specific women isn’t attractive to you in your own eyes but she can be attractive to someone else. Just like how the women you like or find attractive wouldn’t want you or find you attractive. Be respectful. Know the difference between a standard and a preference. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are some black men who hate themselves and the color they’re in just like some black women. Know your self worth. 🤍
@@samaria3662 lmao keep believing that. That’s why they have pageant shows and modeling competitions because Beauty has a standard and it’s not in the eye of the beholder that’s what you use to make yourself feel better. You keep thinking your a 10 to somebody then you’ll join the rest of the unmarried black women (1 in 4 marry ) Goodluck
@@ItsMarionotluigi you missed the entire point of my message, reading is very fundamental sir. You just prove my point by your ignorance. Have a great day
How are BM the most desired when most non BW prefer their own men? If they don’t say they’re own men, they date WM 2nd! What statistics are showing most non BW are pursing BM for marriage? I’d like to see it
This is very true. White skin is seen as the most desirable among Asian countries. Here in the west white people tan, but in Asia they avoid tanning at all costs and use whitening products on their skin. They can be pretty racist to darker skins, even darker skinned Asians. I think black men are the most desired among most black women, but not amongst other races. They're seeing beauty through their own eyes as black people, so they are going to find their own race more attractive...but white people see beauty through white peoples eyes and mostly prefer their own race also. Of course there's exceptions who do find other races more attractive, but they are a minority. Most people date people of their own race. Every race probably thinks to themselves they are the most attractive race lol.
I can see that. I see where he’s coming from as well, though. Black men are highly desirable around the world, but more so in a sexual way - def not the same as introducing him as a husband-to-be.
if your cute/pretty it doesn't matter. yall wanna force these ugly darkskin women on us and we don't want them sorry. And if you feel offended by this then good that means your standards to high. stop getting mad at us.
The truth is if you have to leave the country to look for a woman who has exotic features, its not b/c you are missing out... It's because you are lacking something within. You can hide from the truth but it always finds a way back to the light.
LOL you dont know shit about the truth. Its called having eyes and knowing what you want. If you want to go to OHIO STATE because you like what they have to offer, do you "lack something within" because you didnt want to go to your local community college or did your dumbass have to ability to pick between what you want or decide what's best for you and what you want? this is exactly why we not dealing with yall kind yall too opinionated and be wrong as hell and again just pushing us away.
The truth is most black women in America are overweight with bad attitudes. The truth is bw are not wifey material and are married at less than %30 but 65% will be single mothers
Been happily married to my Black American princess/wife from AL...for 15 years. I, too, have given brothers a hard time who don't date Black women. But i"m trying to do better. This was interesting to me. I've heard alot about this Passport Bro movement and talked with some out of curiosity. It seems like easy prostitution for the cheap. I didn't get the "I found my wife" theme. lol.
Thank you Jalon…the women are upset for that very reason…do not tell the world that black women in the US are undesirable because you as one black man didn’t find a partner. Do not make black women into ogres!
Jalon really understood this topic and I appreciated him explaining to Duke that the issue is belittling American women. Bc no one cares who you as an individual date. But if you have to go across the world to find a mate, the problem is not us, it’s probably YOU just not having any “luck” here. So just say that! Or, better yet, don’t say anything & just go!
I’ve noticed a lot of Black men in America who want Black women choose women who are First Gen Caribbean/ African rather than Black American women…. I think that’s a necessary conversation.
Jalon you seem like a rare man in the best way. You did did your thing in this convo. Thank to the 3 of you for having some intelligent convos. Y’all are all beautiful, intelligent, amazing black men. Thank you for the love and positivity you spread. ❤
This conversation was FIRE 🔥 As a Christian Black American Male, I’ve always preferred black women. ALWAYS. But at the end of the day I gotta be with whomever the Lord has for me. She could be a Black Woman in America or She could be an African, Afro Latina, Mulatto, Mixed etc. Dont even really matter to me. I let the Lord know I do have a preference but we should l never put God in a box. Male or Female.
There is that misguided Nigerian guy that got killed by his white girlfriend after putting down black women for the very same behaviors she exhibited till she killed him.The nuances in that story should explain this topic perfectly .The point is don't stereotype a group of people based on your very limited experience with one and proceed to give them a bad name every where you go . Especially if they are your kind. There is good and bad in every person, race , social class , level Of looks etc.The world is big enough just find your person .
I don’t think most Black Men even know what it is like to truly be valued by a woman let alone a black woman. I can say this confidently because there is clear evidence of trauma amongst the community where most of the men in the culture don’t even know how to ask for anything from their women let alone believe they deserve to be treated with reverence and respect!
Dude in the Stripe shirt is speaking facts, keeping it real, & not demonizing anyone even though he doesn’t personally agree with them. He can LOGICALLY see why people do what they do. Salute to him.
Ultimately, many of the people who go overseas to bring a person here are usually left once the people are able to support themselves. That tells the real story - people who are in need go along with whatever to survive. Once they can support themselves, that’s when you see their real beliefs and what they have no interest in being bothered with…..
Jalon doesn't understand by guys simply going overseas to entertain women...that tells you everything you need to know...they don't have to put down the women in the states...actions speak louder than words especially if that action is to inconvenience yourself to take a trip elsewhere. We live in a globalized dating market
Very shallow and superficial talking point. I don't hear women say a man needs to be 6ft. It's like an imaginary trope attributed to BW and they continue to run with it. But if you ask them to name 5 BW that have told them that, they wouldn't be able to.
The 6' narrative is hella funny. I'm in Houston & I'm not 6'....but absolutely never had any issues getting the baddies or any women. 5'9" in the gym 5 days a week & have a successful career. I think social media has beat this to death.
@@Bre-DDVery true. Also it's a different look/vibe in TX than say a L.A./Miami. Never had an issue in those cities when I've visited but I don't live there.
Man, shout out Duke. That man is advancing every day. Its coo to see him grow more intelligent. I've been watching Nice and Neat Podcast before I joined his coaching group. I can easily see his growth. The sky is not the limit for him. Same goes for Omar and Jadon. Keep killin it 🙏🏾
I normally don’t listen to podcasts like this because some of the thinking is so limited but yall have really nailed it with having honest conversations with compassion. Loved this episode and many of the others.
I listened on Spotify but had to come to UA-cam to share my thoughts haha! Jalon is SPOT ON with everything he said!!! I think another aspect missing from this conversation is knowing the difference between black men being "most desirable" vs being "the most fetishized." Y'all lightly touched on it when mentioning how black men physically represent masculinity. There's typically many women lusting after that image, but, as another commenter mentioned, white men are actually the most desirable economically and due to global impact. (They're also the larger demographic right now.)
Just about to put my phone up for the night & a short comes up with Duke, Jalon, & Omar kickin' ..dat..knowledge Lol. So, I click on the link & jus like that I'm up for another 2 hours 🤦🏽♀️ bingewatching the past episodes I've missed. Proud of you guys👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾 Always insightful conversation!!! #shorts
I date average height men with average jobs… but because of this nonsense they think women like us aren’t out here. It’s annoying. There’s someone for everyone, u just have to believe in that fact.
Thank you Jalon for correcting the false narrative that short guys or broke guys cant find love because we see it everyday. The irony is those "undesirable" men are being shallow going for the "baddies" while being shocked or offended at the women's shallowness. What did you expect? If you want a good woman, stop being shallow just like you'd tell the women.
A lot of brothas can’t even by 100% honest with their woman without the fear of ridicule and backlash which speaks to the problem. I wish our community was more honest and stopped playing this game of pretending like ghetto ratchet behavior is normal. Degeneracy is normal. Poverty and negativity is normal. It’s not normal!
I thought this would be another one of those Red Pill 💊 podcast that bashed women and was pleasantly surprised to see a more mature, even keeled common sense conversation amongst black men. I respect the perspectives.
What statistic stated that black men are the most desirable men ? Cause the same study from 2010 that identified balck women as the least desirable partner, was re done last year, and the only person less desirable than bw are now bm. According to the stats of who chooses who on dating apps. Things have changed a lot and I think there’s a mass delusional/denial among bm.
Jalon really is a skilled conversationalist. Duke really is growing as a podcaster. The Racism over classism is a interested take should be explored/discussed more bc I don’t see them as separate as Black person
Black men, we can’t afford to be all over the world…. The laws ain’t for us, the men in these areas ain’t feeling us, we ain’t safe running it like this….✊🏾
@@Mar1293 where’d you get that from? Can you show me a link so I can educate myself because when I’m reading is quite the opposite of what you’re saying.
@@Mar1293boom! Ima black man and I definitely agree I’ve smashed a lot of women overseas and I’m 100% sure they’d never let me meet her parents…one chick told me her parents would be ashamed 😅
Great Episode.... To get straight to the point.... As Men, List out the attributes/traits that you can change (aka controllable factors). Examples of these are: fitness level, income, stoic-personality, hygiene, fashion. Be honest with self-assessment, and wherever you fall short, Fix it for your own peace of mind. Also for the un-controllable factors, where you fall short, don't stress it. Just simply find someone that celebrates you (foreign or not), but in that process don't downplay the women that choose not to be with you.... And black women, as long as the man (that went the foreign route) doesn't downplay you, you have no right to feel any type of hurt. There are good black women out there, that have standards, and rightfully so. However there are some black women in the world that are disrespectful and choose to emasculate men. There is Good and Bad on both sides (concerning black men and black women).
I heard you guys on the radio today 6/23/24 I was so inspired that I subscribed to your podcast I’m great full for you guys don’t stop we need this for this generation and generations to come.
The women in these countries are looking for a way out of their situation. Because they have less, they are willing to do whatever to get them papers. They emigrate without knowing the language, having working papers, etc. So the man ends up being solely financially responsible for this woman and at times her family. And when she does get papers, she may dip. How is that different from meeting a woman and her expecting you to support the family in the US?? It's super OK to have a foreign woman in your home that can't work, but not an American woman??
Lmao I’m 5’5 make decent money. Just come to the realization that I’m not everyone’s cup of tea. Does it hurt sometimes yeah but that persons lost not mine.
I don’t think height is really your problem. My dad is a short guy 5’5 but managed to get a woman that is 5’9 my mom. Work on you character, morals and show that you are a quality guy capable of loving a woman and the right girl will see that. You don’t have to be everyone’s type, it just seems like you don’t want ONE woman loving you. You want options!!
@@IceburgPimp because there’s more women than men. And the men choose who they want to marry. But it doesn’t change the fact that a lot of yalls character is indecent and insufferable. So yes Yall marry but majority don’t last.
@@IceburgPimp Black men are the most married out of their race and the most divorced too, with the highest rates of baby daddies. Black women have low rates of marriage because we are race loyal and are the opposite of the standards of beauty. Also, black men are not viewed as success objects but as sexual objects. White men are the most desired men for their resources.
The guy with the Beard has a lot of wisdom, the guy in the black and white. He's talking alot but not saying much. He sounds selfish.. Not looking looking to be a partner but to be served.
I would challenge BM to travel to at least 10 countries all 1st world countries stay for at least two weeks and mingle amongst the locals than formulate your opinion on the differences. A lot of time these men make assumptions about the experiences of dating abroad without ever actually doing it and you can tell because most of what they are saying is false
7:57 Wrong most Women that are traditional and Non American usually want to stay close to their family. Most ppl take America for what it is, a place you make money and send back home to help family and so that you can retire.
Their framing of passport bros are so off lmao don’t passport bros always talk about landing remote work first to live outside the country? If you’re not a digital nomad first and foremost, so you can live outside the country, you’re not a passport bro.
@@saintseer9578 Bro that’s EXACTLY what I’m trying to do, move to Japan for at least 2 years than I’ll consider if I want to come back if not I’ll live in Europe or a Mexico and that’s if I’m married. If not I’ll just keep traveling. I left this country when I was 18 for two months they gotta trust me when I say I don’t care about living in America like that. Can’t even buy a house here
Braids lost me when he said “exotic “ because that’s what he really meant. He wants what he deems as exotic and not what he sees everyday. Another hurdle black women have to cross.
When it comes to the desirable debate, Blk men come in second. Yt men are considered to be the most desirable race of man. Let's put feelings to the side. Blk men being considered second in front of other nations of men is crazy when you consider our image on the world stage & us being blocked out of the job market.
Most black men are desired from a sexual standpoint. White men are desired for the providing aspect. Long term no matter what race who you are how well you take care of yourself sexual currency comes to a stop.
Let me add on to this when it comes to black men being the desirable its what we can do bed with a woman and make her happy outside of that what else do we do? When it comes to building families and futures white man will be desirable.
Id advise men to go where they are treated best because as men we have to pay a price regardless. If as a man I have to fill the role of man I should get what I want. I will never knock another man for that. The women complaining are sorta weird because often the same women are saying they dont want these men regardless. Its your life live it on your terms Duke is spot on but Jalon is gonna get points because its sounds better to women. Women are demeaning first, and men are reacting
Subbed because I see the value in this channel based on the tone of this conversation. But why does it always seem like it’s women’s dating problems are men’s issues, and men’s dating problems are…..men’s issues. Yes maybe there are some men who couldn’t succeed but you know, maybe the way a large amount of women act here isn’t desirable nor compatible at all too and that’s not the men’s fault.
A Colombian here: As a follower of the show for several months, sometimes agreeing and sometimes not with the content or ideas. I always tried to see it as another perspective and learn. Because I love to learn, like most Colombians. Now in this episode although at first I wanted to let it go, yes it is ignorance and unfortunately it is an idea that has spread. In this one you guys were very irresponsible with your comments, being aware of the level of transmission and reach you have, to make comments like 27:41 "when you are going to Colombia or Brazil... you are not looking for a wife" 😷Although I can understand the background of the discussion, the way it was said was inappropriate. Mad respect when talking about women from other cultures and be more careful with what you say because of the way it can be misinterpreted.
I will say this - I love my mother - love my mother with all my heart - but I would never marry a woman like my mother. Now - I would marry a woman like my grandmother - LoL. But it's the old narrative that somehow you have issues with your mother that is why you are choosing women from other countries - hahahaha - that's the cap.
@@SteamFocus I am not so sure about that. I would love to know what qualities your mother displayed that you dont want in a wife? Some of the discussions in these podcast and comments lead me to that assumption. Men have a fantasy about grandma but never speak in that same light about their mothers. I think it truly needs to be discussed for women's benefit.
@@ReelOnesTV it depends on what degree. Here in Dallas, Texas there’s a lot of tech companies hiring Indians from overseas that have degrees in Computer Science or Information Technology. They get paid a lot by these companies and they driving around in Teslas and living in a 5bed3bath house.
Who told you all black men are the most desirable? I'm not trying to be funny or rude. I have taken a lot of statistic classes, and I have read a lot of research, and I never came across this stat. Please direct me to it.
They are literally talking about going to counties where they have to pay the women that are “treating them like kings” to treat them that way. An American woman will do the same when you’re willing to pay a fee.
I’m all for transparency but some things aren’t necessary to say.some things are self-esteem killers for no good reason. I can see each perspective. Everyone is different.
I'm only a few minutes in and I had to pause and tell y'all why I mess with y'all go hard. So I am an African living in my home country of Tanzania but I was blessed enough to attend high school and college in the States. One of the first things I noticed when I first moved to the US was how black men treat women with so much more respect. I have only ever been interested in black men (African, Caribbeans, Americans, British etc.) but after experiencing dating Africans and Black Americans, I know in my heart that my future husband is most likely not an African man and is probably a Black American. Now I am working hard to move back to the US so that I can a) live the life I want for myself and b) be surrounded by the type of men that I believe I will end up with one day. I appreciate Omar refraining from using the term "exotic" because that was how I was perceived in the US and it got to the point that people would say things like " I want to know what international pu**y takes like". They really made me feel like I was a Phoenix or some mythical creature. I typed all these paragraphs just to reassure that the topics that you guys be talking about really hit home for so many of us and the intentionality of your word choice continues to make this a safe space. Love y'all
Loved this and the different perspectives. However, Personally! I think Jalon just gets it! & duke trying to put us all in one pot. These things might happen to white woman but they still have America/ Americans that idolize them. I believe us black women are feeling it a lil differently. And they are mainly putting US down to justify their reasoning, instead of just doing what they want. Now don’t get me wrong I’m a big fan of Duke. But Jalon definitely just gets it. And I appreciate when I hear/see black men actually standing up for us. Good episode
I think what is missed most in these conversations is the fact that black men are very capable and persistent in making determinations about the women they want in THEIR own life. There is a stereotype that we are not thinking critically about the type of woman we want to partner with. This is a false narrative. It has nothing to do with risk/hard task avoidance, because we know regardless of who we partner with, it’s going to be work. But, I feel that what these men (PB’s) are saying is they don’t want to partner with someone who will make it HARDER. Say what we want, but the American mindset, when that mindset takes center stage, tends to make things HARDER. Verses, the coming together taking center stage. What I hear, is PB’s feel the coming together is the most important thing with women abroad. And, if I am correct, that’s a very powerful draw to a man. It was a primary consideration of mine 36 years ago when I got married and is still to this very day.
I don’t know if I agree. I think it’s the mindset. And let’s not act like that doesn’t exist. I see it e frequently and from very sharp, intelligent and put together women. But, when it comes to mating with a man, that mindset cannot be what takes center stage. Not saying you can’t have a career, opinions, whatever, but your relationship has to be the priority and those other things come behind. I tell men the same thing.
Jalon went crazyyy !! Omg The Black women are the ones really feeling this because we are the ones married at much as other races. And now the men wanna go out the country ?! Our pool is just getting tiny !
@@MoveAround694 they absolutely do, who tell them to do the things they do online? No one, who can tell them anything? No one. They double down on their stereotypes and wonder why they the least desired.💯
@@Tenno22 I wasn't responding to you. Black men are the most unemployed, least educated, highly incarcerated, and least married men. most of the black men in the media are being accused of ALL types of ABUSE. And self proclaims to be the most desired where there's NO reliable study that says that. Y'all judge people the most while being at the bottom. The majority of black men can't even read. Explains the ignorant.
I love how Duke challenged Jalon. The women will flock to what Jalon’s saying because he’s mentioning what (rightfully so) SOME of the passport bros do. But think about it, they “demean” the women here while simultaneously going abroad, but he only had to “go abroad” after consistently being “demeaned” here in the first place 🤷🏾♂️ he probably could’ve been checkmated with that. And what Duke said was spot on.. it’s the American Woman MINDSET that has men going overseas. I’m not even a passport bro and I MYSELF won’t even wife an American woman. This was a well rounded discussion with opposing views and it was great.
But to Jalon’s point, it’s the women YOU WANT TO DATE are saying this to them. There are plenty of other women who may be interested in that man, but he’s overlooking them bc it’s not who he wants. Basically, the women he wants don’t want him bc they don’t he doesn’t meet their “qualifications”. This isn’t an issue when you date them women who actually like you for you. This is not an American Woman mindset, this is a particular mindset is a set of women. Because guess what? The women who are over in these foreign countries are playing the long game because American culture is influential to everyone. You just fall for grade school games
@@jmelanierenee I agree with the focus on the women HE wants great point, as you and Jalon state. One thing about the American Woman Mindset is you don’t have to be a Man to know that the collective mindset of women here is flawed. Remove men completely out (this part) of the conversation; WOMEN from all over the world despise the American woman’s mindset and conduct. Secondarily, for all American women offended by being so called “looked over” they seem to ironically demean women from other cultures as automatically ignorant and less educated women, when most countries’ education system far outpaces ours even as early as elementary school. So it’s funny to hear about “grade school games” cause theirs will technically outsmart anything an American woman can come up with 😭. I’m just being facetious with that, had to throw it in there lol
“A woman will never be vulnerable enough to tell you the deficiencies in her.” Hmm, who hurt Duke? 😂 Because there are plenty of women in healthy happy relationships who openly discuss their difficulties, their weaknesses, their struggles, etc. Duke and these sexist tropes have to go.
Jalon is a great listener. I always notice how he intentionally listens to whoever is speaking so that he can thoughtfully add his input. It’s def. inspired me to tap in more when others are speaking and truly listen. A lost art these days for sure.
You gentlemen are doing amazing things. Thank you for adding quality to the podcast landscape 🙏🏽.
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Props to Jalon and Duke for getting to the point of the conversation! Shoutout to Duke for critical thinking and breaking down his thought process, conversation like this helps us break barriers
Thanks for tuning in!!! 🥃🥃🥃
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You said the quiet part out loud. 🤦🏽♀️ Exotic. That's what you meant. If you look around your friend group and all the men look one way and all the women look another, be honest with YOURSELF and call it what it is. Colorism. Featurism. A form of self hate.
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There are groups of Black men who are good friends, but the women they hang around are all light/ non Black. Big groups. No one is darker than a brown paper bag.
Preach!
Duke being the exception to this is such a great look. We love to see it.
Black women are the worst with colorism.
An important part of this conversation is the fact that the passport bros are going to these countries and taking advantage of poor women. They’re looking for women who will do anything to take care of their families, and promising them a life in America if they do whatever he wants. They don’t want partners to lead, they want women to control.
This is often times a reality of these types of interactions and a large part of the perspective that we wanted to bring into there conversation 🥃🥃🥃
Lol... What response else are mindsets like yours supposed to give? You love the sisterhood so much, then marry them! 🤣 🤣
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Even though there is truth to that, not everyone is going overseas for that purpose. The main reason men are going overseas is because women overseas for the most part are not entitled, they are respectful and are traditional. Too many women in the U.S. have become insufferable to deal with for many reasons. Im not sayings its all, but the same frame of thought is spreading like a cancer@NiceAndNeatThePodcast
Men are dating poor women in their own country, your statement seems purely emotional from a man hating stance.
There’s an element of the passport bros that wants to make the American woman regret how they treated them. It’s almost like it doesn’t mean as much if I can’t throw it in your face.
Oh 💯 but they won’t admit that lol
Except women otuside America, wont even look at blacks twice
Go where you’re celebrated & pay no attention to where you’re not celebrated. ❤
Exploit women in countries where your dollar can buy whatever thing that would be BEYOND ILLEGAL in the US and Western Europe.
Yay!
Modern oppression and slavery !
Jalon is extremely articulate, I admire the way he speaks.
I definitely agree with Jalon !! The belittling is the issue . Do what you want to do , but don't belittle us Black women , while you're doing it .
I liked the part where he said when WM are passport bros, it’s “I can’t stand *American Women* “
When BM are passport bros, it’s “I can’t stand *Black Women* “
Yet Blk Women are always bashing Blk Men lol
Can passport bros recommend foreign women? Because if you recommend a restaurant would that be consider bad? If I said women from the south better than women from the north; is that bad from my perspective?
Tf is wrong with you?
Jalon hit the nail on the head! It’s the belittling that’s the problem… Great discussion.
It’s not belittling if it’s based in proven facts and data which with this particular topic is accurate.
It’s belittling when someone says “black women don’t equate to …”. This is what we hear as black women. Your choice is your choice. We don’t care about that. But don’t say your choice is because we aren’t enough… THAT was the meaning of my comment.
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@@latoyamclean8310what about in the first part of the video when he spoke about men being belittled? No one cares about that 😂. Just skip that part huh? If you not Chad or Tyrone pookie and Ray Ray. 200k in your bank account and 6ft tall you ain’t getting nothing as a blk man.
@@3-dreticle826 Let’s be clear.. Belittling on any level is not acceptable. Period. I was speaking from the female perspective which birthed the comment. Women deal with men differently than men deal with men. We see and experience things you all don’t. And vice versa.
“Optically” black men are the most desired men. Unfortunately women with good values want more than optics. That’s where the most “desirable” status fails. Sexual discipline, financial resources, spiritual integrity and self actualization, etc… downhill from there.
We’re not the most desirable. The reason why woman say we’re desirable is because of sex and the fetishization of us of Black men in media and the internet. When it comes to marriage and building families and wealth the most desirable is going to be a white man.
@@AD-cs6rp They're not. White, Arab and Latin men are
@@aquarius-woman5364they are s**ually but not any other way.
How do you define sexual discipline?
Most of my non black friends don’t find black men attractive. When they say tall dark and handsome they want someone who is Italian with dark black curly hair.
Jalon really bridged the gap. I appreciate the perspective. Most of us are conforming to societal norms not understanding that when we tune into our authenticity we attract the dating experience we desire. We don’t have to physically leave for it…but we do need to stand unapologetically in the truth of who we are vs blending in
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One thing about Jalon… he gone talk that talk. 🥃
I love how they have healthy debates. I understood every view point given in this video. But I give Jalon super big ups for taking the time to explain to the fellas, what a lot of women may feel about passport bros and why. This was the first conversation around passport bros that didn’t result in an argument, and was easy to digest and listen to.
JALON ATE THIS TF UP !!!!!!
I appreciate the conversation. However, as an educated Colombian woman living in Colombia, some of the ideas felt derogatory towards me. The statement 'choose your country wisely while looking for a wife' seems to put Colombian women down to support the narrative of “be a passport bro for the right reasons”, which is exactly what Jalon was trying to explain.
But how is that putting "Columbian women" down specifically???
Because it’s basically saying that Columbia women are easy and sex is more attainable as oppose to religious countries.
@@Gembaby0115 🤔Interesting.
However, shouldn't men choose the country AND the women "wisely" anyway??? Some countries are not welcoming or respectful towards black Americans! (Unless you're a celebrity) And some of the women in poorer countries just looking for a come-up, citizenship and/or are hookers!!!
In other words, choose the right woman you desire regardless of what country they live in.
@@Gembaby0115 Isn't it true though?
I agree with all of these brothers points. To expound on that, I think Black people as a whole need to be kinder to each other online. I’ve only heard black people talk bad about each other’s short comings. Height, Money & Status for men, Beauty & Purity for women. Something’s you can control something’s you can not. Either way we shouldn’t be bashing each other. It creates a wedge.
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I’ll wait on men to start doing that first..since you all “leaders”
It’s not about the analogies and examples. Simply just don’t put down blank women in your pursuit for what YOU want!
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I normally don’t comment on UA-cam videos but thank you Jalon to call out the disrespect. Also, “exotic” is the main reasoning why some of black men want to find someone who looks appealing to them. It’s a self hate mechanism. Colorism and featurism is a huge problem globally but especially in our own race. Brown & Darker skinned women aren’t view as beautiful like our lighter skinned sisters. Natural hair isn’t as love unless it looks a certain type of way and etc… I could go down the list. It’s self hate and we need to talk about it. All black is beautiful no matter the shades, hair texture, facial feature, body and etc.
@samaria3662 We just like feminine women. we like beautiful and pretty women, if that girl is attractive her color DOES NOT MATTER like yall want to make up excuses when have yall heard men say "yeah we dont like dark women" its dumb if she look good she look good, if she doesn't then its because she's not attractive as yall make her out to be and that's the issue. Yall can lie to these women and tell them they QUEENS and they BEAUTIFUL IN YO SKIN but thats not what men say those are what other women say to gas them up then when we be honest yall get mad and call it "colorism"? maybe stop calling everyone queens and beautiful and actually have realistic standards and yall will see change
@@ItsMarionotluigi There are plenty of feminine women out here go find one, no one is making up excuses when there are men out here who does say they don’t like a certain women cause she dark skinned or whatever. That specific women isn’t attractive to you in your own eyes but she can be attractive to someone else. Just like how the women you like or find attractive wouldn’t want you or find you attractive. Be respectful. Know the difference between a standard and a preference. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are some black men who hate themselves and the color they’re in just like some black women. Know your self worth. 🤍
Black women discriminate on color worse.
@@samaria3662 lmao keep believing that. That’s why they have pageant shows and modeling competitions because Beauty has a standard and it’s not in the eye of the beholder that’s what you use to make yourself feel better. You keep thinking your a 10 to somebody then you’ll join the rest of the unmarried black women (1 in 4 marry ) Goodluck
@@ItsMarionotluigi you missed the entire point of my message, reading is very fundamental sir. You just prove my point by your ignorance. Have a great day
How are BM the most desired when most non BW prefer their own men? If they don’t say they’re own men, they date WM 2nd! What statistics are showing most non BW are pursing BM for marriage? I’d like to see it
White men are the most preferred if you research. White, Asian, Middle Eastern women prefer white men.
This is very true. White skin is seen as the most desirable among Asian countries. Here in the west white people tan, but in Asia they avoid tanning at all costs and use whitening products on their skin. They can be pretty racist to darker skins, even darker skinned Asians. I think black men are the most desired among most black women, but not amongst other races. They're seeing beauty through their own eyes as black people, so they are going to find their own race more attractive...but white people see beauty through white peoples eyes and mostly prefer their own race also. Of course there's exceptions who do find other races more attractive, but they are a minority. Most people date people of their own race. Every race probably thinks to themselves they are the most attractive race lol.
I can see that. I see where he’s coming from as well, though. Black men are highly desirable around the world, but more so in a sexual way - def not the same as introducing him as a husband-to-be.
@@ebonyr.b.1216 Exactly. The most fetishized and oversexualized.
@@ebonyr.b.1216 They're not. Black women worship black men others prefer white, Latin and Arab men.
Preferred and desired are two different things. If you speak to Asian women, they prefer white men mainly because of social status.
Y'all also need to talk about the colorism that is rampant amongst black men. Only preferring mixed black women
lol if you fine you fine regardless of your skin color for majority of men
if your cute/pretty it doesn't matter. yall wanna force these ugly darkskin women on us and we don't want them sorry. And if you feel offended by this then good that means your standards to high. stop getting mad at us.
I have found that black women are far worse than black men about colorism.
Are we talking in real life or the internet. Because when I go outside I see mostly black men with black women.
errr, absolutely not... 'some men'.. Please stop insulting the rest of us who truly Love dark chocolate!!
Jalon I really appreciate your defense and empathy. I love that for Brittany. WE NEED THIS PODCAST.
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EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND THE SUN, PHOTOSYNTHESIS IS IN OUR SKIN HENCE EVERYTHING REVOLVING AROUND US 😮 THATS WHY THEY CANT LEAVE US BE
I concur @kelseyspencer3796
@@realbrownblackhuman1317why do you keep spamming the comments with this? Are you special 🤪
The truth is if you have to leave the country to look for a woman who has exotic features, its not b/c you are missing out... It's because you are lacking something within. You can hide from the truth but it always finds a way back to the light.
LOL you dont know shit about the truth. Its called having eyes and knowing what you want. If you want to go to OHIO STATE because you like what they have to offer, do you "lack something within" because you didnt want to go to your local community college or did your dumbass have to ability to pick between what you want or decide what's best for you and what you want? this is exactly why we not dealing with yall kind yall too opinionated and be wrong as hell and again just pushing us away.
This is a perspective to pay attention to 🥃🥃🥃
“You take yourself with you. You can’t run from yourself.”
Ur not wrong but One shoe doesn't fit all everyone has their reason for y they leave to find love
The truth is most black women in America are overweight with bad attitudes. The truth is bw are not wifey material and are married at less than %30 but 65% will be single mothers
Been happily married to my Black American princess/wife from AL...for 15 years. I, too, have given brothers a hard time who don't date Black women. But i"m trying to do better. This was interesting to me. I've heard alot about this Passport Bro movement and talked with some out of curiosity. It seems like easy prostitution for the cheap. I didn't get the "I found my wife" theme. lol.
Thank you Jalon…the women are upset for that very reason…do not tell the world that black women in the US are undesirable because you as one black man didn’t find a partner. Do not make black women into ogres!
Exactly
Blk Women have no problem demeaning Blk Men to justify Blk Men dating out lol
They’ll never stop. We are their eternal punching bag
You guys do an amazing job of listening to understand each other instead of just responding!
This was a great conversation. I liked that all men tried to look at it from a different POV. Thank you, gentlemen. This was another great episode.
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Jalon really understood this topic and I appreciated him explaining to Duke that the issue is belittling American women. Bc no one cares who you as an individual date. But if you have to go across the world to find a mate, the problem is not us, it’s probably YOU just not having any “luck” here. So just say that! Or, better yet, don’t say anything & just go!
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I’ve noticed a lot of Black men in America who want Black women choose women who are First Gen Caribbean/ African rather than Black American women…. I think that’s a necessary conversation.
I would have to disagree a lot of us First Gen Caribbean/ African are in the same boat! Especially if we prefer black men in general
do you have stats to prove this or are these your own delusions?
This is facts, I choose African/Caribbean/Hispanic black women over Black American Women
We’re splitting hairs with this comment 🥃🥃🥃
@@NiceAndNeatThePodcastso does that mean the conversation needs to continue… because all of yall have first gen Caribbean women if I’m not mistaken?👀
Jalon you seem like a rare man in the best way. You did did your thing in this convo.
Thank to the 3 of you for having some intelligent convos. Y’all are all beautiful, intelligent, amazing black men. Thank you for the love and positivity you spread. ❤
Jalon did his thing as always....he brings such a level headed perspective to the conversations
This conversation was FIRE 🔥
As a Christian Black American Male, I’ve always preferred black women. ALWAYS.
But at the end of the day I gotta be with whomever the Lord has for me. She could be a Black Woman in America or She could be an African, Afro Latina, Mulatto, Mixed etc. Dont even really matter to me.
I let the Lord know I do have a preference but we should l never put God in a box. Male or Female.
I agree!! 🙏🏾
There is that misguided Nigerian guy that got killed by his white girlfriend after putting down black women for the very same behaviors she exhibited till she killed him.The nuances in that story should explain this topic perfectly .The point is don't stereotype a group of people based on your very limited experience with one and proceed to give them a bad name every where you go . Especially if they are your kind. There is good and bad in every person, race , social class , level
Of looks etc.The world is big enough just find your person .
Black women are the best
That part!
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@@coreythomas3633 Really? Is that why 40 million babies was terminated since 1965. Or maybe because 75% weight over 175 lbs
Nigerian men are different from Foundational Black American men. In fact, American immigrants more likely to interracially date than FBA!
I don’t think most Black Men even know what it is like to truly be valued by a woman let alone a black woman. I can say this confidently because there is clear evidence of trauma amongst the community where most of the men in the culture don’t even know how to ask for anything from their women let alone believe they deserve to be treated with reverence and respect!
Black men are conquered by white men.
Try raising your children then maybe you will get some respect.
@@lakeside321so you purposely ignore his feelings,that’s very typical of women like you 🤨
When you say BM don't know how to ask what they want from a woman, can you elaborate on what you mean please?
@@lifelove6164 He means black women. Thet know what to do when it's a white, Latina or Asian woman.
Dude in the Stripe shirt is speaking facts, keeping it real, & not demonizing anyone even though he doesn’t personally agree with them. He can LOGICALLY see why people do what they do. Salute to him.
The main issue I have this discussion is that a lot of assumptions about the passport bro phenomenon....they should have invited an actual pass bro..
Ultimately, many of the people who go overseas to bring a person here are usually left once the people are able to support themselves. That tells the real story - people who are in need go along with whatever to survive.
Once they can support themselves, that’s when you see their real beliefs and what they have no interest in being bothered with…..
Jalon doesn't understand by guys simply going overseas to entertain women...that tells you everything you need to know...they don't have to put down the women in the states...actions speak louder than words especially if that action is to inconvenience yourself to take a trip elsewhere. We live in a globalized dating market
Jalon wanted all the smoke this episode!! 💨
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Duke is always dragging the 6ft thing. Plenty of men under 6ft find their person.
Very shallow and superficial talking point. I don't hear women say a man needs to be 6ft. It's like an imaginary trope attributed to BW and they continue to run with it. But if you ask them to name 5 BW that have told them that, they wouldn't be able to.
The 6' narrative is hella funny. I'm in Houston & I'm not 6'....but absolutely never had any issues getting the baddies or any women. 5'9" in the gym 5 days a week & have a successful career. I think social media has beat this to death.
@@2_Cool8780 thank you. But again here in TX the people tend value more than looks. I'm glad you added another perspective.
@@Bre-DDVery true. Also it's a different look/vibe in TX than say a L.A./Miami. Never had an issue in those cities when I've visited but I don't live there.
Duke drags his perspective 6ft long, Jalon uses less words and his point is very clear, he’s extremely articulate.
Man, shout out Duke. That man is advancing every day. Its coo to see him grow more intelligent. I've been watching Nice and Neat Podcast before I joined his coaching group. I can easily see his growth. The sky is not the limit for him. Same goes for Omar and Jadon. Keep killin it 🙏🏾
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I normally don’t listen to podcasts like this because some of the thinking is so limited but yall have really nailed it with having honest conversations with compassion. Loved this episode and many of the others.
I wish some of this was fact checked… it would bring a lot more context and understanding.
Jalon killed it this episode! I share the same sentiments.
I listened on Spotify but had to come to UA-cam to share my thoughts haha! Jalon is SPOT ON with everything he said!!! I think another aspect missing from this conversation is knowing the difference between black men being "most desirable" vs being "the most fetishized." Y'all lightly touched on it when mentioning how black men physically represent masculinity. There's typically many women lusting after that image, but, as another commenter mentioned, white men are actually the most desirable economically and due to global impact. (They're also the larger demographic right now.)
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Countries with a single parent welfare system do worse than countries with a marriage and family welfare system.
Just about to put my phone up for the night & a short comes up with Duke, Jalon, & Omar kickin' ..dat..knowledge Lol. So, I click on the link & jus like that I'm up for another 2 hours 🤦🏽♀️ bingewatching the past episodes I've missed. Proud of you guys👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾 Always insightful conversation!!! #shorts
I date average height men with average jobs… but because of this nonsense they think women like us aren’t out here. It’s annoying. There’s someone for everyone, u just have to believe in that fact.
Me too - vetting is important because some men have internet philosophy
Just make sure you serve the same God.
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Thank you Jalon for correcting the false narrative that short guys or broke guys cant find love because we see it everyday. The irony is those "undesirable" men are being shallow going for the "baddies" while being shocked or offended at the women's shallowness. What did you expect? If you want a good woman, stop being shallow just like you'd tell the women.
A lot of brothas can’t even by 100% honest with their woman without the fear of ridicule and backlash which speaks to the problem. I wish our community was more honest and stopped playing this game of pretending like ghetto ratchet behavior is normal. Degeneracy is normal. Poverty and negativity is normal. It’s not normal!
I thought this would be another one of those Red Pill 💊 podcast that bashed women and was pleasantly surprised to see a more mature, even keeled common sense conversation amongst black men. I respect the perspectives.
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Brodie low key kewning. There’s no way you can date 10 black women and decide that they speak for the millions of black women, and vice versa🤷🏽♂️
He's almost right, except - no passport bro is trying to bring these women back to America - that's a no go.
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Thank you Jalon. They are glorifying going to other countries and finding women based on the sex & submission. It gives modern day, mail order bride.
Isn’t America based off sex and money these days?
What statistic stated that black men are the most desirable men ? Cause the same study from 2010 that identified balck women as the least desirable partner, was re done last year, and the only person less desirable than bw are now bm. According to the stats of who chooses who on dating apps. Things have changed a lot and I think there’s a mass delusional/denial among bm.
Love love love this conversation!
Jalon really is a skilled conversationalist. Duke really is growing as a podcaster. The Racism over classism is a interested take should be explored/discussed more bc I don’t see them as separate as Black person
Black men, we can’t afford to be all over the world…. The laws ain’t for us, the men in these areas ain’t feeling us, we ain’t safe running it like this….✊🏾
“black men are the most desired men in the world” y’all need to start looking up things instead of giving misinformation.
Sexually. Yes. Everything else no.
@@Mar1293 still not the most desired sexually
@@MoveAround694 no they are. The myth of the bbc is what other women are interested in
@@Mar1293 where’d you get that from? Can you show me a link so I can educate myself because when I’m reading is quite the opposite of what you’re saying.
@@Mar1293boom! Ima black man and I definitely agree I’ve smashed a lot of women overseas and I’m 100% sure they’d never let me meet her parents…one chick told me her parents would be ashamed 😅
Great Episode.... To get straight to the point.... As Men, List out the attributes/traits that you can change (aka controllable factors). Examples of these are: fitness level, income, stoic-personality, hygiene, fashion. Be honest with self-assessment, and wherever you fall short, Fix it for your own peace of mind. Also for the un-controllable factors, where you fall short, don't stress it. Just simply find someone that celebrates you (foreign or not), but in that process don't downplay the women that choose not to be with you.... And black women, as long as the man (that went the foreign route) doesn't downplay you, you have no right to feel any type of hurt. There are good black women out there, that have standards, and rightfully so. However there are some black women in the world that are disrespectful and choose to emasculate men. There is Good and Bad on both sides (concerning black men and black women).
This conversation was much needed
I heard you guys on the radio today 6/23/24 I was so inspired that I subscribed to your podcast I’m great full for you guys don’t stop we need this for this generation and generations to come.
Welcome to the family!!! 🥃🥃🥃
The women in these countries are looking for a way out of their situation. Because they have less, they are willing to do whatever to get them papers. They emigrate without knowing the language, having working papers, etc. So the man ends up being solely financially responsible for this woman and at times her family. And when she does get papers, she may dip. How is that different from meeting a woman and her expecting you to support the family in the US?? It's super OK to have a foreign woman in your home that can't work, but not an American woman??
I watched this from start to finish. This is conversation was beautiful ❤️ it was my first time tuning in but it won't be the last
Welcome to the family! 🥃🥃🥃
damn Jalon…you must have eaten your Wheaties today…keep up the good job
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Lmao I’m 5’5 make decent money. Just come to the realization that I’m not everyone’s cup of tea. Does it hurt sometimes yeah but that persons lost not mine.
I don’t think height is really your problem. My dad is a short guy 5’5 but managed to get a woman that is 5’9 my mom. Work on you character, morals and show that you are a quality guy capable of loving a woman and the right girl will see that. You don’t have to be everyone’s type, it just seems like you don’t want ONE woman loving you. You want options!!
My brother is 5’6 and I have a male cousin who is 5’5. They get women left and right so I agree, height has nothing to do with it.
Why is the conversation hard to have if you don’t have a black woman?
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They are not the most desirable alot of them have terrible character. PERIOD!
Why r we more married then yall
@@IceburgPimp because there’s more women than men. And the men choose who they want to marry. But it doesn’t change the fact that a lot of yalls character is indecent and insufferable. So yes Yall marry but majority don’t last.
Because y'all the one marrying the woman you choose ! But y'all also have the most divorced rate than your counter parts so yeah @@IceburgPimp
@@IceburgPimp Black men are the most married out of their race and the most divorced too, with the highest rates of baby daddies. Black women have low rates of marriage because we are race loyal and are the opposite of the standards of beauty.
Also, black men are not viewed as success objects but as sexual objects. White men are the most desired men for their resources.
The masculinity of black men is what creates the desire. There are hundreds of studies out there feel free to research and let’s discuss
The guy with the Beard has a lot of wisdom, the guy in the black and white. He's talking alot but not saying much. He sounds selfish.. Not looking looking to be a partner but to be served.
I would challenge BM to travel to at least 10 countries all 1st world countries stay for at least two weeks and mingle amongst the locals than formulate your opinion on the differences. A lot of time these men make assumptions about the experiences of dating abroad without ever actually doing it and you can tell because most of what they are saying is false
7:57 Wrong most Women that are traditional and Non American usually want to stay close to their family. Most ppl take America for what it is, a place you make money and send back home to help family and so that you can retire.
Their framing of passport bros are so off lmao don’t passport bros always talk about landing remote work first to live outside the country? If you’re not a digital nomad first and foremost, so you can live outside the country, you’re not a passport bro.
@@saintseer9578 Bro that’s EXACTLY what I’m trying to do, move to Japan for at least 2 years than I’ll consider if I want to come back if not I’ll live in Europe or a Mexico and that’s if I’m married. If not I’ll just keep traveling.
I left this country when I was 18 for two months they gotta trust me when I say I don’t care about living in America like that. Can’t even buy a house here
first time watching. great work ✅🔥
Braids lost me when he said “exotic “ because that’s what he really meant. He wants what he deems as exotic and not what he sees everyday. Another hurdle black women have to cross.
When it comes to the desirable debate, Blk men come in second. Yt men are considered to be the most desirable race of man. Let's put feelings to the side. Blk men being considered second in front of other nations of men is crazy when you consider our image on the world stage & us being blocked out of the job market.
Most black men are desired from a sexual standpoint. White men are desired for the providing aspect. Long term no matter what race who you are how well you take care of yourself sexual currency comes to a stop.
Let me add on to this when it comes to black men being the desirable its what we can do bed with a woman and make her happy outside of that what else do we do? When it comes to building families and futures white man will be desirable.
Y’all not second where are y’all getting this information?
@@MoveAround694 Right! Nothing in reality supports this nonsense🤣
@@roberthicks5550 Black men are the most desired by black women only
Id advise men to go where they are treated best because as men we have to pay a price regardless. If as a man I have to fill the role of man I should get what I want. I will never knock another man for that.
The women complaining are sorta weird because often the same women are saying they dont want these men regardless.
Its your life live it on your terms
Duke is spot on but Jalon is gonna get points because its sounds better to women. Women are demeaning first, and men are reacting
Subbed because I see the value in this channel based on the tone of this conversation. But why does it always seem like it’s women’s dating problems are men’s issues, and men’s dating problems are…..men’s issues. Yes maybe there are some men who couldn’t succeed but you know, maybe the way a large amount of women act here isn’t desirable nor compatible at all too and that’s not the men’s fault.
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A Colombian here: As a follower of the show for several months, sometimes agreeing and sometimes not with the content or ideas. I always tried to see it as another perspective and learn.
Because I love to learn, like most Colombians.
Now in this episode although at first I wanted to let it go, yes it is ignorance and unfortunately it is an idea that has spread.
In this one you guys were very irresponsible with your comments, being aware of the level of transmission and reach you have, to make comments like 27:41 "when you are going to Colombia or Brazil... you are not looking for a wife" 😷Although I can understand the background of the discussion, the way it was said was inappropriate.
Mad respect when talking about women from other cultures and be more careful with what you say because of the way it can be misinterpreted.
That was irresponsible of us and used incorrectly. Apologies 🥃🥃🥃
Thank you for holding us accountable on this topic
I am so glad I found this podcast.
There is a elephant in the room that blk men wont discuss and thats the relationship with their mother
Exactly! Most black men hate their mothers, no matter how good they were to them 😔
@@brittanyb5942 whaat? we love our mothers 😂 why would we hate our mothers?
I will say this - I love my mother - love my mother with all my heart - but I would never marry a woman like my mother. Now - I would marry a woman like my grandmother - LoL. But it's the old narrative that somehow you have issues with your mother that is why you are choosing women from other countries - hahahaha - that's the cap.
@@SteamFocus I am not so sure about that. I would love to know what qualities your mother displayed that you dont want in a wife? Some of the discussions in these podcast and comments lead me to that assumption. Men have a fantasy about grandma but never speak in that same light about their mothers. I think it truly needs to be discussed for women's benefit.
@quincycuthbert5408 The simplest way is that my grandmother was more a traditional woman, and my mother is more modern.
Tbh, you lot sound a tad bit ignorant, most people have more successful lives in their countries. They actually lose more moving to the Americas.
True, many degrees are deemed worthless and non transferable in the states
@@ReelOnesTV it depends on what degree. Here in Dallas, Texas there’s a lot of tech companies hiring Indians from overseas that have degrees in Computer Science or Information Technology. They get paid a lot by these companies and they driving around in Teslas and living in a 5bed3bath house.
Listening comprehension! Whew, it's needed. Lol
Jalon been cookin lately 👨🏾🍳
Who told you all black men are the most desirable? I'm not trying to be funny or rude. I have taken a lot of statistic classes, and I have read a lot of research, and I never came across this stat. Please direct me to it.
They are the most fetishized not desired.
Not wanted for that either, most non black women find black men extremely unattractive.@@Mar1293
They are literally talking about going to counties where they have to pay the women that are “treating them like kings” to treat them that way. An American woman will do the same when you’re willing to pay a fee.
This was my first time watching vs listening to the podcast. The videos are way better. This was an interesting episode discussed with open minds.
I am genuinely hurt for people who want a good relationship with a man and it’s like THIS out there. 😢
Jalon ain’t going for it this episode 😂 im over here hype he standing on business and im here for it!
I’m all for transparency but some things aren’t necessary to say.some things are self-esteem killers for no good reason. I can see each perspective. Everyone is different.
Jalon was in his BAG
I'm only a few minutes in and I had to pause and tell y'all why I mess with y'all go hard. So I am an African living in my home country of Tanzania but I was blessed enough to attend high school and college in the States. One of the first things I noticed when I first moved to the US was how black men treat women with so much more respect. I have only ever been interested in black men (African, Caribbeans, Americans, British etc.) but after experiencing dating Africans and Black Americans, I know in my heart that my future husband is most likely not an African man and is probably a Black American. Now I am working hard to move back to the US so that I can a) live the life I want for myself and b) be surrounded by the type of men that I believe I will end up with one day.
I appreciate Omar refraining from using the term "exotic" because that was how I was perceived in the US and it got to the point that people would say things like " I want to know what international pu**y takes like". They really made me feel like I was a Phoenix or some mythical creature.
I typed all these paragraphs just to reassure that the topics that you guys be talking about really hit home for so many of us and the intentionality of your word choice continues to make this a safe space. Love y'all
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Loved this and the different perspectives. However, Personally! I think Jalon just gets it! & duke trying to put us all in one pot. These things might happen to white woman but they still have America/ Americans that idolize them. I believe us black women are feeling it a lil differently. And they are mainly putting US down to justify their reasoning, instead of just doing what they want. Now don’t get me wrong I’m a big fan of Duke. But Jalon definitely just gets it. And I appreciate when I hear/see black men actually standing up for us. Good episode
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I think what is missed most in these conversations is the fact that black men are very capable and persistent in making determinations about the women they want in THEIR own life. There is a stereotype that we are not thinking critically about the type of woman we want to partner with. This is a false narrative. It has nothing to do with risk/hard task avoidance, because we know regardless of who we partner with, it’s going to be work. But, I feel that what these men (PB’s) are saying is they don’t want to partner with someone who will make it HARDER. Say what we want, but the American mindset, when that mindset takes center stage, tends to make things HARDER. Verses, the coming together taking center stage. What I hear, is PB’s feel the coming together is the most important thing with women abroad. And, if I am correct, that’s a very powerful draw to a man. It was a primary consideration of mine 36 years ago when I got married and is still to this very day.
Traveling abroad isn’t the problem that is being conveyed here it is the bashing of women in the process
I don’t know if I agree. I think it’s the mindset. And let’s not act like that doesn’t exist. I see it e
frequently and from very sharp, intelligent and put together women. But, when it comes to mating with a man, that mindset cannot be what takes center stage. Not saying you can’t have a career, opinions, whatever, but your relationship has to be the priority and those other things come behind. I tell men the same thing.
“Exotic” 🥴😵💫
Omar really told on himself and Duke tried to save him. Too late. 😂
Time stamp?
Jalon went crazyyy !! Omg
The Black women are the ones really feeling this because we are the ones married at much as other races. And now the men wanna go out the country ?! Our pool is just getting tiny !
And BW brought this onto themselves 🤷🏿♂️
That's not true😂 why do yall lie
@@MoveAround694 they absolutely do, who tell them to do the things they do online? No one, who can tell them anything? No one. They double down on their stereotypes and wonder why they the least desired.💯
@@Tenno22 I wasn't responding to you. Black men are the most unemployed, least educated, highly incarcerated, and least married men. most of the black men in the media are being accused of ALL types of ABUSE. And self proclaims to be the most desired where there's NO reliable study that says that. Y'all judge people the most while being at the bottom. The majority of black men can't even read. Explains the ignorant.
@@Tenno22 Weak men run, you guys ran the community down with low education, crime, drugs and not taking care of your children.
I love how Duke challenged Jalon. The women will flock to what Jalon’s saying because he’s mentioning what (rightfully so) SOME of the passport bros do. But think about it, they “demean” the women here while simultaneously going abroad, but he only had to “go abroad” after consistently being “demeaned” here in the first place 🤷🏾♂️ he probably could’ve been checkmated with that. And what Duke said was spot on.. it’s the American Woman MINDSET that has men going overseas. I’m not even a passport bro and I MYSELF won’t even wife an American woman. This was a well rounded discussion with opposing views and it was great.
But to Jalon’s point, it’s the women YOU WANT TO DATE are saying this to them. There are plenty of other women who may be interested in that man, but he’s overlooking them bc it’s not who he wants. Basically, the women he wants don’t want him bc they don’t he doesn’t meet their “qualifications”. This isn’t an issue when you date them women who actually like you for you. This is not an American Woman mindset, this is a particular mindset is a set of women. Because guess what? The women who are over in these foreign countries are playing the long game because American culture is influential to everyone. You just fall for grade school games
Great debates here 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@jmelanierenee finally someone said it! Thank you!!
@@jmelanierenee I agree with the focus on the women HE wants great point, as you and Jalon state. One thing about the American Woman Mindset is you don’t have to be a Man to know that the collective mindset of women here is flawed. Remove men completely out (this part) of the conversation; WOMEN from all over the world despise the American woman’s mindset and conduct. Secondarily, for all American women offended by being so called “looked over” they seem to ironically demean women from other cultures as automatically ignorant and less educated women, when most countries’ education system far outpaces ours even as early as elementary school. So it’s funny to hear about “grade school games” cause theirs will technically outsmart anything an American woman can come up with 😭. I’m just being facetious with that, had to throw it in there lol
@@jmelanierenee Perfectly explained!
“A woman will never be vulnerable enough to tell you the deficiencies in her.” Hmm, who hurt Duke? 😂 Because there are plenty of women in healthy happy relationships who openly discuss their difficulties, their weaknesses, their struggles, etc. Duke and these sexist tropes have to go.
Great Pod bros. 👍🏿
I really enjoyed this conversation.
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Jalon you get it and you speak for me
And interpretation is spot on