Modern muscle cars. 2007-2009 GT500, 2010-2013 GT500, Charger SRT8, Super Bee, Hellcat, Challenger SRT8, ScatPack, ZL1. Pony cars: Mustang GT, Camaro SS. In reality all of them are muscle cars due to their power, rear wheel drive and lineage. Pony cars to me are the V6 models.
lcarrasco212 See this is where this video is quite dumb in my opinion. A pony car isn’t defined by how good it can handle, it’s more defined by wether the handling is a large focus and a selling point. The ZL1 is muscle, the ZL1 1LE is pony it could even be considered sports car at this point due to the fact that the 1LE was made for better handling
@@sidewayzsrt706 q tips directly say do not use to clean ears. Yet, they still clean ears very good lol. Advertisement is only marketing. They can say whatever they want to get you to buy or avoid legal complications...ps Chevy is not like a rock haha
Viewing It looks like Alex, he has some videos with good gaps between them, and he also has a lot of activity related to Car Throttle and other channels.
Nice video. I'd say that nowadays pony cars are the cheaper non-V8 versions, like the Ecoboost or V6 Mustang, the Camaro 1LT V6 models. I'd consider all V8 versions of these Cars muscle cars, even if they are starting to get independent rear suspension more akin to sportscars. Fair point if you think that tech makes the cars pony cars, but the category is evolving. Why shouldn't high-end muscle cars handle better. It's about time. I think the correct term for the top of the line cars such as the GT350 and ZL1 etc are muscle cars that rival sportscars and even some GT cars. They have the power, and the ability to handle much better. In short: Non-V8 models = pony cars V8 models = muscle cars V8 high-end models = sportscar/GT car rivalling muscle cars
Don Jablonsky - non V8 with mods = rivals track/race cars with high hp and torque able to take turns. Not just a straight line. Ecoboost for example, modded right can smoke Camaros, Corvettes, Hellcats. The future is here folks. Stop the purist mentality and open your minds. There’s so many examples nowadays. I remember when Imports started showing up to drag races and people would laugh, until they just had their jaws dropped because that quick Import just did a 9-10sec pass.
I say V6 variants of the big three are pony cars, while the GT, SS, and SRT+ are your regular muscle cars. Gt500, Hellcat, last gen Zl1 are die hard muscle cars. Could also throw in the CTS-V. The GT350, Boss 302, Z28, and new Zl1 are in a new class of handling focused muscle cars for the track. I say they're still muscle cars, just ones that can turn. Simple as that. Corvettes and Vipers are sports cars in my eyes but that's a different debate.
if Hellcat is die hard muscle car, then what in the absolute hell is upcoming Demon SRT? and you probably meant to say Zl1-1LE for handling focused muscle cars..
Samuel Wu I'd have to disagree there. The last gen CTSV was very much straight line speed as is the new one. And its a big old sedan. The ATSV would be more of a sports car/sports saloon
The new Camaro is so similar to the Corvette that I think it's become a problem. You have 2 cars that act as toys that are inconvenient to daily drive, one is just more expensive and slightly more obnoxious. They are both sports cars. I would think the Mustang and Challenger are more similar because they can drive very comfortably and have usable amounts of interior/trunk space.
theres a very easy way to tell if its a muscle car or a pony car: show it to jeremy clarkson if he likes it, its a pony if he dislikes it, its a muscle
the chair is back, but renji won Actually that is wrong. In his review about 2016 Ford Mustang Fastback 5.0 Jeremy Clarkson said: "It’s (mustang) billed as a sports car, but that’s like calling the Flying Scotsman a “sports train”. It just isn’t. It’s too heavy. What it is, is a muscle car. And you sense that in the second yard. This is a machine that wants to turn its tyres into smoke and go round every corner sideways. You’ve seen the film Bullitt. Well, it’s that. This is emphatically not a criticism, because who wants to go round the Nürburgring in 40 seconds when you can go round slowly, sideways and smiling?" And that is in contradiction with this video where the Mustang is considered a pony. But as you can see from the article, Jeremy is not in any way against the idea of a fast straight line muscle car that gives you the smiles per gallon. Look it up.
no shame i drive the old 2nd car of my parents, a Dacia Sandero XD, but hell no i wont complain i didnt had to pay a single penny and i can move from A to B, so i am happy (for the moment of course)
Dodge should just do the big 2 door Charger Muscle car all over again (long wheel base). That would sell like hot cakes and offering a manual gearbox would be heavenly!!
They are ALL muscle cars, the Challenger being the best example of "classic muscle" and the Camaro and Mustang being examples of "modern muscle"(muscle cars that can handle better). They are all primarily designed for drag, they all have boxy/muscular design, they all have V8's, and they all have 2 seats in the back still. Pony car was a term used by Chevy to insult the Mustang, however people started calling all early muscle cars "pony cars" so that ruined its actual purpose and definition. Early muscle cars were called "pony cars" until the term "muscle car" was actually coined, now its seem as more of a "deragotary" term but can be used to describe the weaker models of muscle cars(v6 versions etc).
I must note that the Plymouth Barracuda was released 18 days before the Ford Mustang. The Barracuda was released on the day of April 1, 1964, while the Mustang was released on April 19, 1964. This makes the Barracuda the first pony car, though the popularity of the Mustang brought about the term.
The dodge demon is the best road legal drag car since that was what it was designed to do just type it in to UA-cam and see the stats it does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds and it’s marginally bigger than the Dodge Challenger
The Challenger weighs as much as a pick up truck. End of story. No one smart takes the Challenger serious as a good track performer. It's so fat it needs tons of power just to get it's blubber moving. If they got the Challenger a 1,000lbs diet then it'd be a different story.
Ian Parrish, it was designed as an opposition to the Mustang and Camaro but it's stupid heavy. Therefore it needs big power to move that weight. So then they brag on it's big horsepower numbers meanwhile it's a land going tugboat with numb road feel, horrible crash ratings and huge blind spots. The new Challenger is an embarrassment to it's lineage. And that's coming from a guy whos favorite car is a '71 Challenger R/T.
Welp. I guess I'm one of the purists. Today's V8 powered cars are not muscle cars, just because they aren't similar to the good old muscle cars in the slightest way. The only thing they have in common is DAT V8 BRUH - 'MURICA FCK YEEAAAH
@@zacharymessner6157 simply said, wherever that a car may get expensive and difficult to attain, will attract attention. Im a Malaysian, and the fact that our currency is 4 times smaller than the US + our otherworldly insane import excise duties (up to 105% of the price), so you can guess how it is here for car enthusiast. The scene is funny here, if you can afford brand new japanese sport cars (sti, brz, mx5, etc,.) or muscle cars (we only have mustang here), then its easy to assume that you are wealthy lol (business owners, high earning executives, athletes). For a mustang gt 5.0, it costs RM600 000 here, equivalent of $144889.08.
My favourite pony car is the '67 Mercury Cougar. It is the only automobile I prefer with a vinyl top. My ideal Cougar would have a burgundy body with a black vinyl top. She would have a manual transmission and groove to rock and roll because all my hot cars dig music. Nice video, brother.
I would apply the "muscle car" term pretty liberally. I even consider my own ride to be a "muscle car". The "pony car" term - I'd apply that to the Mustang 4-cylinder, the V6 Camaro, and possibly the Subaru BRZ - rear drive 'sporty' car aimed at the youth population. "Muscle Car" is much more encompassing - rear drive, big horsepower. Some Mustangs clearly fall into the Muscle Car category, the Challenger of course, the V8 Camaros - and also things like some of the Mercedes AMGs fall into the Muscle Car category - the V8 powered E55/E63, C63, etc - those are clearly modern day interpretations of "muscle cars". I wouldn't include the BMW M cars in the "muscle" category as they have a completely different character, making horsepower at high RPMs... they are full fledged "sports cars", which is a third category. Pony Cars have mostly died out, replaced by Sports Cars and Muscle Cars.
The Mustang is definitely a pony car still, although it leans twords being a sports car. The Camaro is definitely a sports car by now, and the Challenger is still a muscle car. I would say that the current Genisis coupe is more of a pony car than the Mustang, although the Mustang is still a better car in general.
The Camaro is not a sports car, no version of it is. Camaro is simply a modern muscle car, a muscle car that handles better than its ancestors. It still has a V8, it still has a boxy/muscular design, still designed primarily for drag racing, and it still has 2 seats in the back.
The first mustangs were pony cars by 1970 the Boss 302 and the 429 were muscle cars and same goes for the Camaro with the 350 and z/28 they are all muscle cars and so are the dodges and all off that the ford fairlane was not aimed so be a muscle car it was a luxury car. The new mustangs, Camaro, challengers and chargers are all muscle cars if they are in the v8 option they are not sports cars
I would argue that if a GT350R can run 3 seconds faster than a BMW M4 GTS then I'd say yeah it's definitely a sports car. A Camaro can keep up and even beat a M3 around a circuit as well. If that doesn't scream sports car to you then I have no idea what does
Sports car would be a 2 door 2 SEATER, a slick low profile design, isn't a one trick pony, it can do everything generally well, like the Corvette and Viper. The Mustang and Camaro are simply modern muscle cars.
The Aventador with the V12 weighs 4000 something pounds and its also AWD... And the Challenger is RWD but its also a muscle car. Its not much weight for that V8 growl lol. And I still don't understand what you meant by "And 2000 more pounds".
I always believed, and was taught back in the mid 70s that the distinguishing factor was that a Muscle car had a full frame and a Pony car featured a sub-frame and unibody construction. I think that makes all the new crop Pony or Sports cars. I always felt this was a fitting definition because Pony cars where available with the same engine and transmission combos as muscle cars. Pontiac Firebird 400 4 speed Coupe versus a Pontiac GTO, both of which are sitting in my garage at home.
From a manufacturer stand point, the modern Challenger is a 2dr sedan while the Mustang and Camaro are 2+2's. the lines blur when applying labels but 'muscle' cars were traditionally intermediate coupes (2dr sedans) and pony cars were 2+2's.
If it looks Badass, has a strong V-8 or Straight-8 engine pumping out a lot of HP, it's a mussel car. Even pony cars can be made into mussel cars if given the right mods.
It really deepends on what the definition of of a muscle car, raw power? Size? Combination of both? Suspension? Straight line performance or over all performance? Lots of todays cars pump out more pure or equal power to muscle cars of the past....so where do you draw the line?
Muscle cars must be 1 A large V8 up front. 2 Rear wheel drive. 3 Must be able to seat at least four persons. 4 Must be a large car. 5 Must be a two door car. 6 Must be built for street and strip use, not a road course car. If it runs low 7 min times at the Nurburgring it is not a muscle car PERIOD!
I really like the topic. A car guy friend and I were just talking about this. I lean more towards where the Mustangs/Camaros are going and he prefers the larger 2 Door Challenger. I would classify larger cars such as the Challenger, Hellcat/ Demon as a muscle cars, I would classify the 4 cylinder, V6 model, GT and SS as pony cars, and the Corvette, Viper, GT350. Boss, Camaro ZL1/1LE/Z28 as sports cars. The rest such as GT500 and the older ZL1 as special variants. Of course this ignores the real meaning of sports cars.....
I'm gonna get shit for this but this is my personal opinion. It truly depends on the engine in your car: I6 or V6 = Pony. V8=Muscle. The problem with that though is that a V8 Truck or a Minivan shouldn't be considered a muscle car so I don't know.
Saxton Hay Bale muscle car is a classic car these new cars arent muscle cars just over weight sports cars that they where to cheap to put real suspension in them and just called them muscle cars.
Homework, 1964 Pontiac GTO the first muscle car. Not the full size. The intermidate level with the big V8. DeLorean agreed to a Catalina V8 389 in the Tempest.
Actually the 'Mustang' name was a name for the fighter plane, but they still left the horse badge on. So at the start, when you said "because a Mustang is a horse", which is false. I know the term 'pony car' was because of the Mustang badge, but it is false.
Muscle car to me is a heavy coupé with a 5.0 or more liter V8, that is fairly cheap. Most Europan Sports cars are lighter, and big engine BMW etc. are more expensive. The 350R is relativly cheap for its power, while a Corvette is more expensive. So Mustang= muscle car.
The Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger are more than their horsepower and top speed. All three are an iconic symbol of American culture and automotive expertise. All three hold their own, and as technology improves the closer they get to the cars of Europe. As an owner if a mustang it handles beautifully. Nothing like the cars of old. Even the v6 variants of all three are sporting impressive horsepower now. These three cars. While they are their premium variants such as the GT350, Demon, and ZL1. They are competing with supercars. Maybe the muscle car era is long passed but what we have is something much more. That we should be proud of.
One interesting fact I will bring up is that the Barracuda actually went on sale a few weeks before the Ford, however, the Ford is what had the success, after all, we call it the pony car and not the fish car lol
"It's not a real muscle car because it CAN go round corners". It's like saying "that pizza isn't a real pizza because it hasn't got pepperonis on it", pepperonis make a pizza better! It's adding to the experience! Not taking away it's capabilities. Next thing you know, power steering won't be allowed in an icon car
the Barracuda was released two weeks BEFORE the Mustang. The first gen wasn't spectacular but the redesign in 67 brought it closer to being a pony car. But it's a moot point when you realize the Mustang in 1970 was a giant brute of a car with a 429 ci engine which really made it a muscle car
This whole time I thought "pony car" was a derogatory slang term for V-6 versions of a mustang lmao. Like "It's just a pony car, not even a real mustang" I've actually heard that at car meets xD.
Those old Mustangs are so beautiful
My Toyota Prius probably falls in the muscle car category.
Observer Hornet wait what that hybrid..muscle? whattt
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lol
Observer Hornet hipster muscle 💪
As muscular as Japanese get
Observer Hornet LOL!
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT YOU DID WITH ALEX?
Michael Druyan Chill, Alex is on a vacation.
Pootis Spencer unacceptable!!
Vacation...ain't nobody got time for dat! Was better for Jake to do the voiceover for this, what with being MURICAN and all!
Pootis Spencer FUCK!
Alex Kersten never make me that nervous ever again!
Modern muscle cars. 2007-2009 GT500, 2010-2013 GT500, Charger SRT8, Super Bee, Hellcat, Challenger SRT8, ScatPack, ZL1. Pony cars: Mustang GT, Camaro SS. In reality all of them are muscle cars due to their power, rear wheel drive and lineage. Pony cars to me are the V6 models.
SpyderRios the zl1 is more of a pony car than the ss camaro
Ki Taylor how so? The ZL1 is the lead Camaro in terms of HP and Engine..
Wakko1LT it handles better
lcarrasco212 See this is where this video is quite dumb in my opinion. A pony car isn’t defined by how good it can handle, it’s more defined by wether the handling is a large focus and a selling point. The ZL1 is muscle, the ZL1 1LE is pony it could even be considered sports car at this point due to the fact that the 1LE was made for better handling
@@sidewayzsrt706 q tips directly say do not use to clean ears. Yet, they still clean ears very good lol. Advertisement is only marketing. They can say whatever they want to get you to buy or avoid legal complications...ps Chevy is not like a rock haha
That's the strangest sounding British guy I've ever heard.
Better than that strange sounding American guy they have normally.
I hope they bring back the Chinese guy; Alex.
I had a cold ;)
+Alex Kersten Is this your actual account or a random person with a fake account? I cannot see on mobile!
Viewing It looks like Alex, he has some videos with good gaps between them, and he also has a lot of activity related to Car Throttle and other channels.
Nice video. I'd say that nowadays pony cars are the cheaper non-V8 versions, like the Ecoboost or V6 Mustang, the Camaro 1LT V6 models. I'd consider all V8 versions of these Cars muscle cars, even if they are starting to get independent rear suspension more akin to sportscars. Fair point if you think that tech makes the cars pony cars, but the category is evolving. Why shouldn't high-end muscle cars handle better. It's about time. I think the correct term for the top of the line cars such as the GT350 and ZL1 etc are muscle cars that rival sportscars and even some GT cars. They have the power, and the ability to handle much better.
In short:
Non-V8 models = pony cars
V8 models = muscle cars
V8 high-end models = sportscar/GT car rivalling muscle cars
Don Jablonsky - non V8 with mods = rivals track/race cars with high hp and torque able to take turns. Not just a straight line. Ecoboost for example, modded right can smoke Camaros, Corvettes, Hellcats. The future is here folks. Stop the purist mentality and open your minds. There’s so many examples nowadays. I remember when Imports started showing up to drag races and people would laugh, until they just had their jaws dropped because that quick Import just did a 9-10sec pass.
I say V6 variants of the big three are pony cars, while the GT, SS, and SRT+ are your regular muscle cars.
Gt500, Hellcat, last gen Zl1 are die hard muscle cars. Could also throw in the CTS-V.
The GT350, Boss 302, Z28, and new Zl1 are in a new class of handling focused muscle cars for the track. I say they're still muscle cars, just ones that can turn. Simple as that.
Corvettes and Vipers are sports cars in my eyes but that's a different debate.
if Hellcat is die hard muscle car, then what in the absolute hell is upcoming Demon SRT? and you probably meant to say Zl1-1LE for handling focused muscle cars..
CTS-V in my eyes is a sports car and not a muscle car.
Samuel Wu I'd have to disagree there. The last gen CTSV was very much straight line speed as is the new one. And its a big old sedan. The ATSV would be more of a sports car/sports saloon
***** I don't think just because it can handle makes it not a muslce car. If you've ridden in one you'll know the S550 is still very much a muscle car
The new Camaro is so similar to the Corvette that I think it's become a problem. You have 2 cars that act as toys that are inconvenient to daily drive, one is just more expensive and slightly more obnoxious. They are both sports cars.
I would think the Mustang and Challenger are more similar because they can drive very comfortably and have usable amounts of interior/trunk space.
"Where so you stand?" Outside a dodge dealership
theres a very easy way to tell if its a muscle car or a pony car: show it to jeremy clarkson
if he likes it, its a pony
if he dislikes it, its a muscle
the chair is back, but renji won Actually that is wrong. In his review about 2016 Ford Mustang Fastback 5.0 Jeremy Clarkson said: "It’s (mustang) billed as a sports car, but that’s like calling the Flying Scotsman a “sports train”. It just isn’t. It’s too heavy. What it is, is a muscle car. And you sense that in the second yard. This is a machine that wants to turn its tyres into smoke and go round every corner sideways. You’ve seen the film Bullitt. Well, it’s that.
This is emphatically not a criticism, because who wants to go round the Nürburgring in 40 seconds when you can go round slowly, sideways and smiling?"
And that is in contradiction with this video where the Mustang is considered a pony. But as you can see from the article, Jeremy is not in any way against the idea of a fast straight line muscle car that gives you the smiles per gallon. Look it up.
it was just a joke, dude
What the fuck are u on about? Laugh at it agree and move on. No need to write a damn essay ffs
Mustang: pony
Challenger: muscle
Camaro: sports
Xx_neat-beat its been a very long time since camaros even looked muscle-y imo.
xninjagrrl i never said they're now :)
Pony, muscle, sport apply to all three cars.
Agreed only the mustang is considering its a horse. The rest are sports cars.
Sports cars are only 2 seaters...
Not gonna lie, When he said ford galaxy I thought of the people carrier
Same. The car he was referencing is called Galaxie though - but of course one can't hear that.
This isn't the advertise section on youtube, but the comment section for a car throttle video. Fuck off.
We have a 64 galaxie XL in our garage and it still works pretty good
DatPolishGuy it's the 1964 ford galaxie not the ford galaxy mpv
i think you can fit a god damn jet engine inside that thing
I wish that all informative UA-cam videos were this short. Great work.
WHO ARE YOU?!?!? WHY YOU ARE ON CAR THROTTLE?!?!?
Ha right??? WHERE'S Alex!
you read my mind!!!
Jake works for CT too. He's legit :)
Bring back the Brit!
Thank ya
Sounds like ChrisFix
i stand by the fact that i still dont have a car ;(
Same, I be needing one too!
no shame i drive the old 2nd car of my parents, a Dacia Sandero XD, but hell no i wont complain i didnt had to pay a single penny and i can move from A to B, so i am happy (for the moment of course)
MG James FIN your not alonr
You're not alone. But InshaAllah in future we'll all have 😄
how about now?
Dodge should just do the big 2 door Charger Muscle car all over again (long wheel base). That would sell like hot cakes and offering a manual gearbox would be heavenly!!
Majed Saati That would take too many sales away from the challenger.
Then just replace the challenger.
internal competition is not good
I agree
just make the Challenger more in the handling department, kind of like a cheaper Viper that doesn’t have an angry V10.
Heyy. .bring back the British guy..!!!
N-n-no...
Alex is his name, :)
No thanks, I'll keep this dude
man like Alex Kersten. He's part German too
jaco2023 fuck that British fuck
No idea who was the guy talking but he did an amazing job!
Any sporty V8 from Chevy, Dodge, or Ford is a muscle car in my books.
Even the Corvette?
mini hoov Or the Viper?
jonathan perez that is arguably a supercar along with the ford gt. i wouldn't consider those muscle cars
I can consider the modern corvettes muscle cars because of the V8 form factor... Dodge Viper on the other hand has an 8.4l V10...
Mclarens and Ferrari 488s use v8s. By your standards now they're muscle cars. Your classification makes no sense
Pony car: a lot of power in a straight line
Muscle car: a lot of more power in a straight line
Right enough?
Who dis
Dat be Jake, an actual American
Alex Kersten Does he hav a channel. i remember him. hes the one that owns a police interceptor crown victoria
Alex Kersten thanks for reply sexy
New phone who dis?
+Alex Kersten Who gives a fuck if he is "a real american' You have one of the most hated countries aside from North Korea.
They are ALL muscle cars, the Challenger being the best example of "classic muscle" and the Camaro and Mustang being examples of "modern muscle"(muscle cars that can handle better). They are all primarily designed for drag, they all have boxy/muscular design, they all have V8's, and they all have 2 seats in the back still. Pony car was a term used by Chevy to insult the Mustang, however people started calling all early muscle cars "pony cars" so that ruined its actual purpose and definition. Early muscle cars were called "pony cars" until the term "muscle car" was actually coined, now its seem as more of a "deragotary" term but can be used to describe the weaker models of muscle cars(v6 versions etc).
This
wow someone with a voice I can tolerate
I must note that the Plymouth Barracuda was released 18 days before the Ford Mustang. The Barracuda was released on the day of April 1, 1964, while the Mustang was released on April 19, 1964. This makes the Barracuda the first pony car, though the popularity of the Mustang brought about the term.
always had a soft spot for cudas
So basically Muscle Cars can only go fast straight
...no. Watch the video.
Andre S. What Andre said is exactly what the video is saying actually...
No. Muscle cars weren't made explicitly for straightaways. Look at the Z28.
MiNy_PiXeL thats why they keep runing into the crowds huh?
Thanks captain obvious.
The dodge demon is the best road legal drag car since that was what it was designed to do just type it in to UA-cam and see the stats it does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds and it’s marginally bigger than the Dodge Challenger
Ponys like to run to crowds thats for sure!
More people buy=more money! so I would too.
Stop shitting on my cousins, dude. He's been bullied for a whole year just because of some stupid mistake. How would you like it if I did the same?
Turboahdettu Supra don't forget the curbs
Ponys are cute so they want to be cuddled by the crowds. thats why
Mitch Hulleman lmao bull shit you're so wrong
challenger is muscle, end of story
Jaylen Bond The original one was a pony car, then switched to muscle when it was reintroduced.
So is the GT500 and Boss 429 mustangs 🤷♂️
The Challenger weighs as much as a pick up truck. End of story. No one smart takes the Challenger serious as a good track performer. It's so fat it needs tons of power just to get it's blubber moving. If they got the Challenger a 1,000lbs diet then it'd be a different story.
Floordford So you're insulting the car for not being good at something which it wasn't designed to be good at?
Ian Parrish, it was designed as an opposition to the Mustang and Camaro but it's stupid heavy. Therefore it needs big power to move that weight. So then they brag on it's big horsepower numbers meanwhile it's a land going tugboat with numb road feel, horrible crash ratings and huge blind spots. The new Challenger is an embarrassment to it's lineage. And that's coming from a guy whos favorite car is a '71 Challenger R/T.
It's all American muscle either way
BigSmoke2334 or Australian muscle cough HOLDEN cough cough
Jerrymations ! Isn't That American company made
Aye, as long as it has a big fat "American" V8 we can get along XD
BigSmoke2334 or Australian v8
Eh, Tomayto tomahto
I absolutely love the Challenger, my Family owns one and its super Fun to drive
Welp. I guess I'm one of the purists. Today's V8 powered cars are not muscle cars, just because they aren't similar to the good old muscle cars in the slightest way. The only thing they have in common is DAT V8 BRUH - 'MURICA FCK YEEAAAH
I'm just happy people recognize the Challenger as what it really is.
Where I live,when a Mustamg is on the road,no matter what,everybody takes pictures and looks at it.It's like it controlls the cars on the road.
Sergiu Ancăş what planet do u live on?
i live in germany an noone cares if you drive with a modern mustang. they only get annoyed by the sound
Where do you live mate
@@zacharymessner6157 simply said, wherever that a car may get expensive and difficult to attain, will attract attention. Im a Malaysian, and the fact that our currency is 4 times smaller than the US + our otherworldly insane import excise duties (up to 105% of the price), so you can guess how it is here for car enthusiast. The scene is funny here, if you can afford brand new japanese sport cars (sti, brz, mx5, etc,.) or muscle cars (we only have mustang here), then its easy to assume that you are wealthy lol (business owners, high earning executives, athletes). For a mustang gt 5.0, it costs RM600 000 here, equivalent of $144889.08.
@@assi2assi I love the sound
My favourite pony car is the '67 Mercury Cougar. It is the only automobile I prefer with a vinyl top. My ideal Cougar would have a burgundy body with a black vinyl top. She would have a manual transmission and groove to rock and roll because all my hot cars dig music. Nice video, brother.
Where is Alex!?
who killed captain Alex
ACTIONNN LALALALLALALALA!!!
Ignore all the hate! You did a great job on this video!
pony cars have a long hood and a short deck.
Kirk Grinstead you are absolutely right. BTW my real name is Kirk as well.
Correction: long comparitively for its body size.
Thank you. Thank you. Finally.
it was 64 in half to be exact when the Mustang debut
I would apply the "muscle car" term pretty liberally. I even consider my own ride to be a "muscle car". The "pony car" term - I'd apply that to the Mustang 4-cylinder, the V6 Camaro, and possibly the Subaru BRZ - rear drive 'sporty' car aimed at the youth population. "Muscle Car" is much more encompassing - rear drive, big horsepower. Some Mustangs clearly fall into the Muscle Car category, the Challenger of course, the V8 Camaros - and also things like some of the Mercedes AMGs fall into the Muscle Car category - the V8 powered E55/E63, C63, etc - those are clearly modern day interpretations of "muscle cars". I wouldn't include the BMW M cars in the "muscle" category as they have a completely different character, making horsepower at high RPMs... they are full fledged "sports cars", which is a third category. Pony Cars have mostly died out, replaced by Sports Cars and Muscle Cars.
The Mustang is definitely a pony car still, although it leans twords being a sports car. The Camaro is definitely a sports car by now, and the Challenger is still a muscle car. I would say that the current Genisis coupe is more of a pony car than the Mustang, although the Mustang is still a better car in general.
The Camaro is not a sports car, no version of it is. Camaro is simply a modern muscle car, a muscle car that handles better than its ancestors. It still has a V8, it still has a boxy/muscular design, still designed primarily for drag racing, and it still has 2 seats in the back.
Much better narration!
The first mustangs were pony cars by 1970 the Boss 302 and the 429 were muscle cars and same goes for the Camaro with the 350 and z/28 they are all muscle cars and so are the dodges and all off that the ford fairlane was not aimed so be a muscle car it was a luxury car. The new mustangs, Camaro, challengers and chargers are all muscle cars if they are in the v8 option they are not sports cars
I would argue that if a GT350R can run 3 seconds faster than a BMW M4 GTS then I'd say yeah it's definitely a sports car. A Camaro can keep up and even beat a M3 around a circuit as well. If that doesn't scream sports car to you then I have no idea what does
I wouldn’t really agree that the boss 302 is muscle, mostly cause it’s a small block meant for trans am racing, but the boss 429 is a true muscle car.
Sports car would be a 2 door 2 SEATER, a slick low profile design, isn't a one trick pony, it can do everything generally well, like the Corvette and Viper. The Mustang and Camaro are simply modern muscle cars.
That was COOL! 😎 I liked and subscibed 😄
Challenger FTW💨💨💨
You forgot 707 HP... And that's even above the 2nd gen Lambo V12...
NoNamer12345 and 2000 more pounds
The Aventador with the V12 weighs 4000 something pounds and its also AWD... And the Challenger is RWD but its also a muscle car. Its not much weight for that V8 growl lol. And I still don't understand what you meant by "And 2000 more pounds".
+NoNamer12345 and the Aventador cost over 400 000$ and the hellcat stats just under 60k$
It's a lot of car for the money
That Camaro burnout at the end was awesome
@Car throttle do you rent these cars or just own them??
Nawar Matti steals them
Jesus Saved Me well shit ...
I always believed, and was taught back in the mid 70s that the distinguishing factor was that a Muscle car had a full frame and a Pony car featured a sub-frame and unibody construction. I think that makes all the new crop Pony or Sports cars. I always felt this was a fitting definition because Pony cars where available with the same engine and transmission combos as muscle cars. Pontiac Firebird 400 4 speed Coupe versus a Pontiac GTO, both of which are sitting in my garage at home.
RIP MUSCLE CAR....I M CRYING..
From a manufacturer stand point, the modern Challenger is a 2dr sedan while the Mustang and Camaro are 2+2's. the lines blur when applying labels but 'muscle' cars were traditionally intermediate coupes (2dr sedans) and pony cars were 2+2's.
They asked where I stand..... it's where mustang druvers won't crash into me and everyone around me
*drivers
3rd degree burns! XD
Hey! I know the owner of that galaxy doing the burnout! That is a sweeeet car. And has a lada engine block being used as cup holders 😆
If it looks Badass, has a strong V-8 or Straight-8 engine pumping out a lot of HP, it's a mussel car. Even pony cars can be made into mussel cars if given the right mods.
Squshy turtle 115 I don't wanna drive around the sea bud.
tea tester what does the sea have to do with a car? Not like I'm gonna put the K.A.R.R. vs K.I.T.T. move
But this would disqualify the new mustang redesign because it doesn't look badass it looks like the 17 got kicked in the face
BlackWatch Squshyturtle 115 Lmao +BOI IF YOU DONT was pointing out your spelling error. This video is about muscle cars, not mussels that people eat.
@@zacharymessner6157 2019 Camaro lol.
It really deepends on what the definition of of a muscle car, raw power? Size? Combination of both? Suspension? Straight line performance or over all performance? Lots of todays cars pump out more pure or equal power to muscle cars of the past....so where do you draw the line?
Muscle cars must be 1 A large V8 up front. 2 Rear wheel drive. 3 Must be able to seat at least four persons. 4 Must be a large car. 5 Must be a two door car. 6 Must be built for street and strip use, not a road course car. If it runs low 7 min times at the Nurburgring it is not a muscle car PERIOD!
MUSTANG- Hits the croud
CAMARO- Mid life crisis
CHALLENGER- True muscle car
overcompensating
Bhavya Gohil no the corvette is the middle life crisis
Bhavya Gohil ah yes challenger now if only they could make one that could stay in its own lane while turning lol 😂
Boat*
Bhavya Gohil * boat
i love the sound and look of lexus Is200
nowadays pony car could be called modern muscle🙂
Listen dude. I helped my father restore our 1965 Ford Mustang and it is one heck of a mascot car
Muscle car
Has Alex hit puberty again?
I'm so excited for the Lexus track build
Dont you mean Muscle vs Crowd Control?
Very well explained!
How is the dodge charger hellcat not the definitive modern muscle car? sedan with 700+ horsepower.
Magucci13 because 4 door muscle cars are gay
hollow vlad 4door muscle cars are gay? Ha! only to retards.
It's a muscle sedan...
Moreno12 For some reason 150+mph is an extrenely powerful aphrodisiac.
Moreno12 I assure you, I'm not the stupid half of this conversation.
0:55 please tell me the name of that car
'Murica always has to have a v8 motor
Big Smoke Then there was the turbocharging in the 80's. Good times.
Thorbjørn Madsen *Hood
Big Smoke Is english it's called bonnet you fucking idiot.
Thorbjørn Madsen in Murica it's hood, and 0:45
I agree, but the Dodge Viper doe...
What's the car on 00:55 please tell me?
TL:DW muscle cars are overpowered pony cars that handle like crap.
ZL1? Z28? GT500? Boss 302?
Yep, all of those.
Saleen S7 {Flux} They all handle shit...
C6, C7, Boss 302, ZL1, GT350, viper, any gen 6 Camaro or any gen 6 Mustang... they all handle like gods
Compared to other American cars maybe. Compared to European and Asian cars they are rubbish.
Very nice video, nice explenation
Comaro, mustang, and doge will always be muscle cars and there's no debate
Scampy Fox you have the best comment.
How to end a car class debate:
*THE GOLF IS THE BEST HATCH EVER!!!1!!!*
"Camaro"
I don’t like American cars but the challenger is the last muscle car
Hate the narrated videos... where is the presenter
I really like the topic. A car guy friend and I were just talking about this. I lean more towards where the Mustangs/Camaros are going and he prefers the larger 2 Door Challenger. I would classify larger cars such as the Challenger, Hellcat/ Demon as a muscle cars, I would classify the 4 cylinder, V6 model, GT and SS as pony cars, and the Corvette, Viper, GT350. Boss, Camaro ZL1/1LE/Z28 as sports cars. The rest such as GT500 and the older ZL1 as special variants. Of course this ignores the real meaning of sports cars.....
Stop making shit up, friend. Those terms are synonymous
LOUDER PLEASE
Lol does your car fall under pony ?
Perhaps your car falls under golf
I didn't know I was watching car throttle at first wtf
Cool video. I liked the part with the V8-powered car doing a burnout (so the entire video).
People say bring Alex back, but as a person whose primary language isn't English, this is a breath of fresh air.
I like this guy's voice
Well said!
I'm gonna get shit for this but this is my personal opinion. It truly depends on the engine in your car: I6 or V6 = Pony. V8=Muscle. The problem with that though is that a V8 Truck or a Minivan shouldn't be considered a muscle car so I don't know.
Saxton Hay Bale muscle car is a classic car these new cars arent muscle cars just over weight sports cars that they where to cheap to put real suspension in them and just called them muscle cars.
Homework, 1964 Pontiac GTO the first muscle car. Not the full size. The intermidate level with the big V8. DeLorean agreed to a Catalina V8 389 in the Tempest.
Actually the 'Mustang' name was a name for the fighter plane, but they still left the horse badge on. So at the start, when you said "because a Mustang is a horse", which is false. I know the term 'pony car' was because of the Mustang badge, but it is false.
Fun fact. The original barracuda was released like two weeks before the '64.5 mustang
what car is that at 0:56, the "space rat"?
It looks like an Impala, but I'm probably wrong.
I did my research. It's a '68 Galaxie
This video is so true thank you
Muscle car to me is a heavy coupé with a 5.0 or more liter V8, that is fairly cheap. Most Europan Sports cars are lighter, and big engine BMW etc. are more expensive. The 350R is relativly cheap for its power, while a Corvette is more expensive. So Mustang= muscle car.
1:13 Wtf was that!!!!!!!!! That space like sound was so cool!!!!
Absolutely Agree
The Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger are more than their horsepower and top speed. All three are an iconic symbol of American culture and automotive expertise. All three hold their own, and as technology improves the closer they get to the cars of Europe. As an owner if a mustang it handles beautifully. Nothing like the cars of old. Even the v6 variants of all three are sporting impressive horsepower now. These three cars. While they are their premium variants such as the GT350, Demon, and ZL1. They are competing with supercars. Maybe the muscle car era is long passed but what we have is something much more. That we should be proud of.
The official meaning of "Muscle Car": "An American sports car with a V8." Thus, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger & co are muscle AND sports cars.
One interesting fact I will bring up is that the Barracuda actually went on sale a few weeks before the Ford, however, the Ford is what had the success, after all, we call it the pony car and not the fish car lol
"It's not a real muscle car because it CAN go round corners". It's like saying "that pizza isn't a real pizza because it hasn't got pepperonis on it", pepperonis make a pizza better! It's adding to the experience! Not taking away it's capabilities. Next thing you know, power steering won't be allowed in an icon car
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At around 1:00 he said Ford Galaxy, but the Galaxy we get in the uk is a bloody minivan 😂😂
very good video
the Barracuda was released two weeks BEFORE the Mustang. The first gen wasn't spectacular but the redesign in 67 brought it closer to being a pony car. But it's a moot point when you realize the Mustang in 1970 was a giant brute of a car with a 429 ci engine which really made it a muscle car
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A challenger is a pony car, just because it's heavier or larger does'nt mean they are muscle cars. It just can't turn but could be fast on a straight.
This whole time I thought "pony car" was a derogatory slang term for V-6 versions of a mustang lmao. Like "It's just a pony car, not even a real mustang" I've actually heard that at car meets xD.
Do you guys consider a V6 camaro/mustang/challenger a muscle or pony car?
I'm pretty sure that back in 1964, Plymouth came out with the 'Cuda a few weeks before Ford came out with the Mustang.