Same, i started on templar as well and enjoyed it! But no wonder I've found myself looking for a new main class lately...I've mained templar for years, but I've noticed that despite good looking stats I can't seem to do as much in pvp situations anymore. I'm glad this has been mentioned, it's not just me! Meanwhile i have a few other classes in forging fire, magblade and stamsorc, mainly.
Necro still op. Don't let anyone tell you different. Grasp more op necro skill no 1 uses but yet everyone I fight I use it against gets absolutely rips by it! Then ask me what is it and why I use it, and then will say "oh sounds amazing, butttttt I won't use it because It doesn't look good!" As if they anit lose to it 10 times! The stun is nuts, makes more tanky. And just flows so well with meteor
@@Reshi500 tough choice. To be fair they both good atm. I guess it'd be picking dk for fun or templars for better results. I'm thinking going pc too but unsure, I don't even play eso that much anymore. Like a hour a week now if that
I agree with this list 100%. Exactly how I feel when playing as or against each class. Arc could be S+ but it’s sets doing the damage and not so much the class.
Finally someone speaks up about how pitiful Templar is. Templar has barely any upfront damage or burst. The class never received any meaningful buffs to offset the jabs, burning light and power of the light nerfs.
Looks pretty good! I only would argue with DK's since they are always built around pure hybrid styles and with that leap, spin to win, dot pressure I'd definitely put them in S tier but as a mag/stam category if anyone still builds them that way anymore your scale is correct.
@@raony6175 well for BIS DK should be hybrid. My hybrid DK is much better than my mag DK atm. I'll give you both builds... my hybrid dk imperial race is jerall cheiftan, fire, wretched, master maces fb, wretched ice staff bb, no mythic. My Mag DK I just respec'd and it's fun but doesn't hit as hard.... dark elf w/ blood spawn, wretched, burning spellweave, death dealers, dual swords bsw fb, wretched ice staff bb, 1 trainee.
You're absolutely cappin if you think dks are any less than S or S+ tier lmao. The only reason anyone would say that is in the hopes that people will play them less. I mean, the reason you're falling asleep while playing them is probably because you press 4 buttons and you win. Stam dk in B tier. Thats hilarious.
I never really got into PvP, does anyone have any tips? I’ve always felt like I die on repeat and don’t have time to get all my buffs and de buffs and dots and stuff going
Any class but necro can be A tier if you have the right skills and gear sets and knowledge on how to run the build it’s all based on experience and play styles
Got a pretty good lvl on pseu. main Necro / Templar. A bit of Arca at release Sure lack of class buff but as a reminder the Skeletal hit as hard as an ultimate so not useless in my opinion + ghost 10% flat res 👍🏻
I wanna suggest magblade A Tier or behind stamblade. Main reason why is because stamblade is usually faster so better for kiting as a stam ability. And also has the ability for roll dodge much more which makes its survival so much better. And im 50/50 about stamcro, only because Vat, Witch Knight, rallying/wretch, markyn build still claps just aswell as it does with dk. Necro heals aren't nuttyyyyyy but it can get that way with the damage still be there. I think the fact no 1 plays stamcro is the reason people thinks its bad which i know sounds werid but everyone right now is riding the dk, sorc, and nb meta so every class but them 3 right now just aren't being looked at for what they are, if that makes sense. And as a Mag dk and Stamdk main i must say both still S tier. There is no debate about that! Meteor combo still 1 shoots, standard is still a zerg killer, blood heal is still op! Everything about dk op. Difference is stamdk plays more sweaty with few more dots while magdk has more burst pressure and is more fun than stamdk
I agree with pretty much everything, but recently had a 180 experience with Necromancer! I absolutely hated that class for obvious reasons but made a magika vampire, stacking damage reduction and have actually been melting people in pvp. Feels great and has been the only viable way to play the class that Ive found. Oh and oakensoul of course, without it necro is trash.
@@Human123z buffer of the swift + spinner + oakensoul. Spinner is flexible. The burst heal and spirit mender from living death. Revealing flair, blast bones and the vampire damage spammable. Im getting a total of 35% dmg reduction not even counting my resistances and the vampire passive. Its been working really well. Been trying destro, resto and dual wield to check for best results.
Nightblade main here (3000+ hours). This is gunna be a hot take for a lot of you. But stamblade is better than mag atm, with mag being A tier at best. There are three key reasons for this. 1. Vigour is the only HOT worth running atm (unless you double up on rapid regen and dark cloak which loses you a bar slot for camp hunter). 2. Lefthand Aegis belt is the strongest stamblade mythic ever released. You’re literally unkillable. 3. Rallying cry is so prevalent that you either have to run it (not enough burst), or stack past the crit damage cap. Stamblade build is: Mythic = LAB 1 x Training Backbar sanche’s Frontbar gourmand Food - Lava foot or bear haunch although the mag regen is unnecessary and the extra Stam pool for rolling is v helpful.
Agreed, I play magblade and I like it but I need about 6 cups of coffee compared to my DK, also Merciless Resolve is not a guarantee, it gets dodged soo much. You know people don't play nightblade when they comment on how OP that is and don't realize how we craft our entire lives around setting up for it. They think you just push a button and that is definitely not the case.
I think I disagree about arc and DK as arc only good offensively with 2 or 3 proc sets on to get be it pressure, it also lacks burst. A DK on the other hand can apply similar pressure and has more burst while being naked. The rest I agree with including my main ( plar ) I can build like you say as still struggle to do enough damage
@@Atom00000 can you read, I said it's only good offensivly with proc sets do apply it's pressure not that it's only good offensivly. Arcanist have probably the best defense in the game right now. I'm just saying without master dw etc it's pressure is not really there.
Tbh I wouldn't put Templar and DK in the same tier at all, DK has a lot more choices in combinations and damage, and they have a class kit that works together. Templar is just disjointed, has bad passives, useless skills and a burst skill that isn't worth anything. Templar should either be moved down or Stam DK moved up. Templar is just that bad compared to DK
why is stam plar so low ?? it can ez be S tier if u know how to play it my stam plar has over 55k hp and the build is insane with the counter atak from ur shields u jsut melt people without even toching them lol ofc u gotta know the perfect set for it
I love Templar so much. But my Magplar isn't killing good players very often. Now, Templar will hold down its own and easily tank any class in the game. That's not the issue. The issue is getting a good kill against a good player. If I do get a good kill, my enemy is not a good player and made some kind of mistake in their gear, or their combo. lol The worst trouble I have are against Magsorcs with their stupid health/shield builds. DKs are annoying with that sweet burst combo with Inhale, but I can flatline many of those foolz. NBs are annoying and it all depends on who is managing their defense and sustain. All the other classes are just annoying and stalemates.
Maybe I’m tripping but I just don’t know how magplar is anything less than A+ I sit around 30k health have unreal tankiness and heals + cleanse on top it hits really hard flat and crescent sweep wit balorghs it’s wraps + best execute in the game only issue can be sustain
Throw on deadly lightning staff front bar rally on back, spell power pot, power of light instead of pure for minor vul, solar barrage for damage increase, topple in and jab away I absolutely melt people then Jesus beam
@@yungfleance849 You're killing potatoes. Magplar struggles to kill good players because crit builds are the Magplar's niche, and unfortunately, EVERYONE is running Rallying. Which is rather annoying. We're not like a NB that can push through a 3k Crit Defense build, but Templars can't. lol
Non-combat pets are better at pvp than Necros right now.
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Same, i started on templar as well and enjoyed it! But no wonder I've found myself looking for a new main class lately...I've mained templar for years, but I've noticed that despite good looking stats I can't seem to do as much in pvp situations anymore. I'm glad this has been mentioned, it's not just me!
Meanwhile i have a few other classes in forging fire, magblade and stamsorc, mainly.
Necro c tier nb A tier magdk s+ magsorc s+ warden s+ there i made it easy for you for anyone wondering the current state of pvp
Necro is tough solo, trying to do it though! It’s always been my favorite class.
Necro still op. Don't let anyone tell you different. Grasp more op necro skill no 1 uses but yet everyone I fight I use it against gets absolutely rips by it! Then ask me what is it and why I use it, and then will say "oh sounds amazing, butttttt I won't use it because It doesn't look good!" As if they anit lose to it 10 times! The stun is nuts, makes more tanky. And just flows so well with meteor
Necro is looking strong with that new set in Infinite Archive.
I have a high-crit Bowcro that melts people. It's definitely viable, gotta tinker within the class til you find something that REALLY works.
@@TheWorstNA About to start on PC, might make a Dk or Templar as my first toon
@@Reshi500 tough choice. To be fair they both good atm. I guess it'd be picking dk for fun or templars for better results. I'm thinking going pc too but unsure, I don't even play eso that much anymore. Like a hour a week now if that
Shield stacking MagSorc hits hard AF right now. I've got 50k max mag, 30k hp, and am critting with frag for around 13k
I hate you.
Please can you share the set up?
For real, share the setup.
I agree with this list 100%. Exactly how I feel when playing as or against each class. Arc could be S+ but it’s sets doing the damage and not so much the class.
Finally someone speaks up about how pitiful Templar is. Templar has barely any upfront damage or burst. The class never received any meaningful buffs to offset the jabs, burning light and power of the light nerfs.
I’m also a magcro and magplar main and I agree with your disappointment
"For the masters of assassination, the Nightblade class is a little bit further behind in single target damage than we’d like".
That's in a pve context, they absolutely have the best single target burst in pvp
Those pts notes still piss me off to this day
What I want is CLASS WEAPON BASED PASSIVE
18k penetration, 6.7k weapon damage and jabs still hits like a noodle. I don't even understand how it does such little damage
ZOS trashed jabs :-(.
This is the the best tier list i have seen. Ggs 👍
Well, ZOS listened to all the complaints about necromancer... and for update 41 they decided to delete Stalking Blastbones haha...ha...
My boy necro getting so many strays, valid, but dang it hurts
Looks pretty good! I only would argue with DK's since they are always built around pure hybrid styles and with that leap, spin to win, dot pressure I'd definitely put them in S tier but as a mag/stam category if anyone still builds them that way anymore your scale is correct.
You obviously don’t play DK then. They are not S tier.
@@Atom00000 I have 4 DK's out of my 18 pvp toons.. They are DEFINITELY S tier, carry class all the way. GET GOOD!
@@ESO_PRIME what's your mag dk build?
@@raony6175 well for BIS DK should be hybrid. My hybrid DK is much better than my mag DK atm. I'll give you both builds... my hybrid dk imperial race is jerall cheiftan, fire, wretched, master maces fb, wretched ice staff bb, no mythic. My Mag DK I just respec'd and it's fun but doesn't hit as hard.... dark elf w/ blood spawn, wretched, burning spellweave, death dealers, dual swords bsw fb, wretched ice staff bb, 1 trainee.
@@ESO_PRIMEthank you for not gate keeping
You're absolutely cappin if you think dks are any less than S or S+ tier lmao. The only reason anyone would say that is in the hopes that people will play them less. I mean, the reason you're falling asleep while playing them is probably because you press 4 buttons and you win. Stam dk in B tier. Thats hilarious.
I never really got into PvP, does anyone have any tips? I’ve always felt like I die on repeat and don’t have time to get all my buffs and de buffs and dots and stuff going
you can tell that the mofo behind this notes main nightblade...
As a main PvP player I can tell a skilled sorcerer is the strongest. 1 vs x is no problem for the sorcerer. A one man army
What is the best pvp 1v1 class?
What is the die hard class on pvp here? that class/spec that just won't die on pvp.
Die hard definetely stamina dragonknight or magica noghtblade and stamina arcanist! For 1vs1 stamina dragonknight no question
Any class but necro can be A tier if you have the right skills and gear sets and knowledge on how to run the build it’s all based on experience and play styles
Need New Ranking for Update 41 Please or is Necromancer Tierlist C and D?
I have seen that nothing can beat a MagDen in pvp
Got a pretty good lvl on pseu.
main Necro / Templar. A bit of Arca at release
Sure lack of class buff but as a reminder the Skeletal hit as hard as an ultimate so not useless in my opinion + ghost 10% flat res 👍🏻
Hit hard, but with no damage to back it up, it’s super easy to heal through. And don’t worry, ZOS decided to just delete blastbones from the game
Been back playing a few days. So far all I can say is stam bow nb is definitely S tier. ~Necrow
when is the race tier list coming?
best race for StamArc ?
Khajit
My Necro is in my top 3 of most fun to play. Definitely has disadvantages, but I think Blastbones doesn't get enough credit when it works right.
Don’t worry bro, they realized blastbones was literally the only good think the class had, and they nerfed it too.
Don’t worry bro, ZOS figured out blastbones was literally the only good thing the class had, so they deleted it
I wanna suggest magblade A Tier or behind stamblade. Main reason why is because stamblade is usually faster so better for kiting as a stam ability. And also has the ability for roll dodge much more which makes its survival so much better. And im 50/50 about stamcro, only because Vat, Witch Knight, rallying/wretch, markyn build still claps just aswell as it does with dk. Necro heals aren't nuttyyyyyy but it can get that way with the damage still be there. I think the fact no 1 plays stamcro is the reason people thinks its bad which i know sounds werid but everyone right now is riding the dk, sorc, and nb meta so every class but them 3 right now just aren't being looked at for what they are, if that makes sense. And as a Mag dk and Stamdk main i must say both still S tier. There is no debate about that! Meteor combo still 1 shoots, standard is still a zerg killer, blood heal is still op! Everything about dk op. Difference is stamdk plays more sweaty with few more dots while magdk has more burst pressure and is more fun than stamdk
Hybridization makes this tier list so odd because it's really just class with "x" flavour of resource cost and proc set
I disagree with a few things naturally, but all in all, a fairly solid list.
Fully agree with this!
I agree with pretty much everything, but recently had a 180 experience with Necromancer! I absolutely hated that class for obvious reasons but made a magika vampire, stacking damage reduction and have actually been melting people in pvp. Feels great and has been the only viable way to play the class that Ive found. Oh and oakensoul of course, without it necro is trash.
What’s the build you are using?
@@Human123z buffer of the swift + spinner + oakensoul. Spinner is flexible. The burst heal and spirit mender from living death. Revealing flair, blast bones and the vampire damage spammable. Im getting a total of 35% dmg reduction not even counting my resistances and the vampire passive. Its been working really well. Been trying destro, resto and dual wield to check for best results.
Templar was way too broken at it’s peek , till this day it is still broken in 1v1 play
Its definately not broken in 1v1 theres magdens that are litteraly unkillable 1v1 and arc does wayy more damage
Nightblade main here (3000+ hours).
This is gunna be a hot take for a lot of you. But stamblade is better than mag atm, with mag being A tier at best.
There are three key reasons for this.
1. Vigour is the only HOT worth running atm (unless you double up on rapid regen and dark cloak which loses you a bar slot for camp hunter).
2. Lefthand Aegis belt is the strongest stamblade mythic ever released. You’re literally unkillable.
3. Rallying cry is so prevalent that you either have to run it (not enough burst), or stack past the crit damage cap.
Stamblade build is:
Mythic = LAB
1 x Training
Backbar sanche’s
Frontbar gourmand
Food - Lava foot or bear haunch although the mag regen is unnecessary and the extra Stam pool for rolling is v helpful.
Agreed, I play magblade and I like it but I need about 6 cups of coffee compared to my DK, also Merciless Resolve is not a guarantee, it gets dodged soo much. You know people don't play nightblade when they comment on how OP that is and don't realize how we craft our entire lives around setting up for it. They think you just push a button and that is definitely not the case.
Yo man can you help me with my nightblade
idk ive seen stamplars Clear groups
I think I disagree about arc and DK as arc only good offensively with 2 or 3 proc sets on to get be it pressure, it also lacks burst. A DK on the other hand can apply similar pressure and has more burst while being naked. The rest I agree with including my main ( plar ) I can build like you say as still struggle to do enough damage
Arc only good offensively? 😂 😂😂😂 you are a scrub if you think that
@@Atom00000 can you read, I said it's only good offensivly with proc sets do apply it's pressure not that it's only good offensivly. Arcanist have probably the best defense in the game right now. I'm just saying without master dw etc it's pressure is not really there.
dk is S tier like always
No it’s not you just suck 😂
Tbh I wouldn't put Templar and DK in the same tier at all, DK has a lot more choices in combinations and damage, and they have a class kit that works together. Templar is just disjointed, has bad passives, useless skills and a burst skill that isn't worth anything. Templar should either be moved down or Stam DK moved up. Templar is just that bad compared to DK
why is stam plar so low ?? it can ez be S tier if u know how to play it my stam plar has over 55k hp and the build is insane with the counter atak from ur shields u jsut melt people without even toching them lol ofc u gotta know the perfect set for it
I love Templar so much. But my Magplar isn't killing good players very often. Now, Templar will hold down its own and easily tank any class in the game. That's not the issue. The issue is getting a good kill against a good player. If I do get a good kill, my enemy is not a good player and made some kind of mistake in their gear, or their combo. lol
The worst trouble I have are against Magsorcs with their stupid health/shield builds. DKs are annoying with that sweet burst combo with Inhale, but I can flatline many of those foolz. NBs are annoying and it all depends on who is managing their defense and sustain.
All the other classes are just annoying and stalemates.
Play stamden plz
good plar will destroy a good dk, 7/10 times at least
Ranged magplar is very strong and fun, jabs is gone bro
Does character size matter? is easy to hit a bigger character? should i roll female smallest size?
No wtf.
the hit box is the same size for all characters
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"Sorry for the poor quality drawing"
Literally looks better than the rest, haha
maibe whith the scribe sistem we could make a custom skill for necro that will solve some of his problems
Maybe I’m tripping but I just don’t know how magplar is anything less than A+ I sit around 30k health have unreal tankiness and heals + cleanse on top it hits really hard flat and crescent sweep wit balorghs it’s wraps + best execute in the game only issue can be sustain
Throw on deadly lightning staff front bar rally on back, spell power pot, power of light instead of pure for minor vul, solar barrage for damage increase, topple in and jab away I absolutely melt people then Jesus beam
@@yungfleance849 You're killing potatoes. Magplar struggles to kill good players because crit builds are the Magplar's niche, and unfortunately, EVERYONE is running Rallying. Which is rather annoying. We're not like a NB that can push through a 3k Crit Defense build, but Templars can't. lol
Stamsorc is C tier at best yes you can have fun with it but it’s not competing with an arcanist or DK especially in a long fight.
Stamden c tier
Why? Curious because I've been trying to figure out how to work my main into pvp and I'm a Stamden...